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LOL, why are you after the weaker leagues?! Well, in the bottom divisions the fitness levels and speed of play can be somewhat primitive. If you want the weaker leagues, stay away from the Premier division of those leagues as the standard of play in the Premier is more akin to Step 5 Saturday football.

Are you connected to Waltham Forest FC? Many of their players play for New Salamis (Steve Valendia and Jeff Hammond) and Clapton Rangers (Ben Gracey, Michael Filletti, Ashley Taylor-Forbes).


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Cheers for that very detailed reply. I had a vague awareness of those two, especially the Hackney and District, thanks to the Waltham Forest connection.

However, I was looking more for the weaker leagues out there! Wink



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Haha. I was the manager of a youth team a few years ago, and we weren't great then! Next season we'll all be back from Uni and various foreign escapades, so we're looking to get back into Sunday football, and hopefully at a level where we'll be competitive.

I am indeed connected with Forest. I'm their website designer and editor, programme designer and editor, tweeter, Facebooker, turnstile man, ball boy... I could go on! Knowing players like Hammond and Gracey played for Sunday teams too was what made me want to avoid the decent leagues!


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Hughesvideo, you said The Ship would give Enfield Rangers a tough game. 5-1 win to Enfield Rangers does not indicate a very tough match for them! Laugh


You mean The Kings Head. Wink
It looks like they haven't sent their result card in yet (as I type this) as their line-up is not yet listed here. Maybe they had players missing ?
Maybe one of their players had a stag weekend ? That has always been a big problem in our League, as teams are only allowed to have one week off per season for things like that. If they can't field a team for other dates, then they lose the points/concede the match and get very heavily fined. Sometimes teams have no option but to play a load of fringe players or force players to play who have had no sleep.
If we (Edmonton Rovers) had reached the London F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup Final this season, it is the day after one of our key players gets married ! We would have seriously struggled to field a side.

Enfield Rangers were obviously up for the challenge as they fielded a full squad of 14 including John Stevenson (numerous Step 3-4 clubs), Andy Martin (ex-Potters Bar Town...Step 4) and numerous others there who have played in the Spartan South Midlands Premier Division (Step 5). The ex-I.M.L. players they have just signed up have also undoubtedly strengthened them. Nicky Marsh is a quality player for a start.



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FC Tripimimeni are London's only surviving representatives in the FA Sunday (national) Cup after coming from 1-3 down (with 20 minutes left) to beat highly rated Dee Road Rangers 4-3 AET. Dee Road took the lead and Tripimeni equalised through Daryl Cox to make it 1-1 at HT. Dee Road Rangers scored 2 more goals to go 3-1 up (their star striker Ray Spence scored twice). Tripimeni got back in the game via an own goal and then equalised with five minutes to go via another goal from Darryl Cox. 3-3 was the FT score. In the dying moments of extra-time Alfie Bartram was fouled in the Dee Road box, and Naim Essiaghi scored the resulting penalty to put Tripimeni 4-3 up and send them into the quarter-finals to face FA Sunday Cup giants (and former winners) Oyster Martyrs. Dee Road Rangers got their customary red card at the end of the game.

In other news, it appears Lapton of the Hackney and Leyton League are human after all. Lapton's incredible 100% record this season, and run of 12 consecutive wins (with 89 goals scored in those 12 games Shocked) finally ended when they lost 2-3 at the weekend. That defeat was directly linked to the Tripimeni game. Lapton's tall center half did not play as he was playing for Tripimeni in the FA Sunday Cup game against Dee Road Rangers!

I noticed he has not played in Lapton's LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup matches this season - presumably to avoid being cup tied, and to make himself available for Tripimeni's FA Sunday Cup games. Watching him play, it is very clear that he has played at a very high semi-pro level for many years. Said defender is the tall bald number 15 (wearing blue shirt) in the photos below. Does anyone know his name?

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The usual aggro in games involving Dee Road:

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The other London area teams did not fare well. Barnes Albion took the lead but lost 1-3 to Elm Farm (who have now knocked out 3 London teams - after previous victories over North London Olympians and Greengate in the first two rounds). Sungate lost 0-4 to Comet Sports Club.




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Yalova dropped points in their league game against Sunday Intermediate Cup rivals Koture on sunday, 0-0, Yalova have recently lost some players through transfers to their rivals in the Turkish community league and are struggling a bit. Koture are the team in the league at present after signing some decent players this month. Can't wait till sunday to see how they will fare.

P.S. name of Tripimeni player that was asked earlier is Terry Paul.


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Thanks for confirming. I had a feeling it was Terry Paul but wasn't 100% sure as the Lapton players nicknamed him "Ginge" when he plays for them. Here is a photo of him in action for Lapton:
http://www.flickr.com/...tgsphoto/6294733875/

He has won a LOT of trophies with Aris (Tripimeni) and with Lapton (he won the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup with Aris a few years ago). Will be interesting to see who he will play for if both Lapton and Tripimeni enter the Challenge Cup next season! TheSec, how do you know Terry Paul? Have you played with/against him before? I presume you play for Akincilar in the Turkish Community Football Federation (TCFF)? Lapton's GK used to play in the TCFF as well.

You know Yalova well I presume. Do you think they will win the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup? (after they won the Junior cup last season) Why does a good team like Yalova enter the Junior/Intermediate Cups, while other TCFF teams such as yourself enter the Challenge Cup?


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P.S. name of Tripimeni player that was asked earlier is Terry Paul.







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Yes it's London F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup Quarter-Final day this coming Sunday (29th January) with some interesting matches:
Norton v Koture
Apoel v Yalova
Phoenix v Sporting Santos
Lapton v Sabanoh

I can't pick a winner from those first three games, but I would think Lapton will get through.

If Koture have signed up players from Yalova, they won't be able to play them against Norton if they have already played for Yalova in earlier rounds. The London F.A. have a history of spotting ineligible players listed on the team-sheets and throwing teams out for it.



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I don't know Terry Paul personally, but know a little about him. Yalova are a well organised and run club that rather than jump a few rungs up the ladder, they would rather progress step by step and aim to be successful in the process.

Akincilar is my team. Challenge Cup is probably our level at present. Who is the Lapton keeper who used to play in the TCFF?

Has there been any correspondence from Jamie Broughton regarding team selections for the cups? I've always wondered why the LFA have not created a (super sunday) league where the champions from each affiliated league get entered into with a half decent prize for the winner, what do you think?

Koture have not signed any of 'Yalova's' players to my knowledge, transfers within the TCFF end on 31st Jan.


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Sorry 'The Sec'. I mis-read your previous post regarding Yalova and Koture.
If Koture have recently signed up new players from any TCFF team that has played in a London Sunday Cup competition this season though, then they will of course have to be careful that those players have not already played in the competition.

Regarding Jamie Broughton at the London F.A., his reply to me was 'I will look at the site when I have some time to devote to it & take it all in. In the meantime I will forward this mail to our Cup Committee. They do meet every close season for the sole purpose of deciding entry to the cup competitions & they do look at past performances & the last seasons league tables. This may be an extra tool they can use'.
...the 'site' being the 18+ pages of this thread.
So basically, they do have a Committee which decides which teams should go in which Sunday Cups, but some more input from those of us 'in the know' on here is helpful, so that's good.

A 'Super' Sunday League or a sort-of Champions League (instead of knockout rounds ?) for Sunday football in the London area would be great I think. It could also include Leagues from surrounding counties as well (Hertfordshire, Middlesex and the closer parts of Essex, Kent & Surrey) and with most Premier Divisions having teams dropping out half-way through every season it would give the remaining teams some replacement fixtures. There are some Premier Divisions with only 6 or 7 teams in at the moment !
However, it might mean those teams not entering the London F.A. Sunday Cups or even withdrawing from their Leagues if a Sunday Super League of say 12 teams was formed to play each other twice a season on a League basis. Is that what you are suggesting 'The Sec', or do you mean a Super League knockout Cup to replace the existing top LFA Sunday Cup competition ?



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Not knowing much about Sunday football, could anyone please list venues of London Cup ties they mention on here. Thanks.



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Not knowing much about Sunday football, could anyone please list venues of London Cup ties they mention on here. Thanks.


The F.A.'s Find A Club facility doesn't appear to be working properly at the moment, so it's a bit difficult finding out where these teams' home pitches are, especially as the venues are not listed on their respective League websites either.
Also, there's no guarantee that the matches are all 10.30.a.m. Kick-Offs.
In Sunday County Cup competitions, the home team contacts the away team and the Referee to inform them of the venue and the kick-off time and nobody else has a clue...including the London F.A. and the respective Leagues that the two teams play in !
Most Sunday League websites don't even mention that their clubs are playing in a County Cup fixture.

I know that Apoel play at what used to be called 'Aylands Open Space' in Bullsmoor Lane, Enfield, but I don't know the post-code of that place. It's next-door to the Lea Valley High School though and Apoel now 'own' the ground (I think).
According to Yalova's website, their game Away to Apoel in the London FA Sunday Intermediate Cup Quarter-Finals this coming Sunday (29th January) is definitely being played there. No mention of the time of kick-off though.

I have no idea where Norton, Phoenix or Lapton play.
My team played Norton in the mid-90's but we were the home team on that occasion.



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I'd like to get along to some of these games but sadly it is so difficult to get any reliable info apart from the final and possibly the semi's.


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I'd like to get along to some of these games but sadly it is so difficult to get any reliable info apart from the final and possibly the semi's.


Correct.
...and maybe that's something the London F.A. could consider for these pages of their website by adding venues and kick-off times to the listed fixtures from at least the Quarter-Final stages onwards ? All they need to do is e-mail the Home team to find out.



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Isaac, Mishi et al, here is a preview of this weekend's LFA County cup matches. I think 5 of the 8 teams remaining are good enough to win this competition, and the winner will emerge from the 3 final fixtures below. The most entertaining matches will probably be Apoel -v- Yalova, and Phoenix -v- Sporting Santos. For those who want to watch, I have included pitch directions (those fancying a "double header" might be able to watch BOTH the Phoenix -v- Sporting Santos and Lapton -v- Sabanoh 97 matches as BOTH games are at Hackney Marshes).


LFA SUNDAY INTERMEDIATE CUP – QUARTER FINALS. SUNDAY JANUARY 29, 10:30AM KICK-OFFS


NORTON (MORDEN & DISTRICT LEAGUE - PREMIER DIV) –V- KOTURE (TURKISH COMMUNITY FOOTBALL FEDERATION - DIV 1)

This match is too close to call. Both teams are having sub-par seasons, with Norton hovering one place above relegation places.


*APOEL (KOPA LEAGUE -
DIV 2) –V- YALOVA (TURKISH COMMUNITY FOOTBALL FEDERATION - DIV 1)
-Aylands Open Space, Bullsmoor Lane, Enfield EN1
http://www.kopaleague.com/media/bearleague/bl13156660872936.jpg

http://www.yalovafc.com/dev/images/squad.png

This should be a good game, and may be the most competitive fixture, with the highest standard of football in this round. Both teams are top of their respective leagues and have many players playing semi-pro on Saturdays in the Ryman League at step 4. Apoel’s Wesley Beckles (Ware FC), and Jayson Sinclair-Menzes (formerly of Cheshunt) have Ryman League experience.

However I think Yalova (holders of the LFA Sunday Junior Cup, who quite frankly are too good for this competition) should have just enough quality to get through.


**PHOENIX (CAMDEN SUNDAY LEAGUE -
DIV 1) –V- SPORTING SANTOS (METROPOLITAN SUNDAY LEAGUE - SENIOR DIV)
-Hackney Marshes **Please check to confirm whether fixture is at North Marsh or South Marsh** - North Marsh - Ruckholt Road, Hackney, London E10, nearest tube - Leyton, central line, or bus 242 towards Homerton hospital. Tel 0208 806 2542. South Marsh- nearest tube – Leyton, central line, or buses W15, 308, Tel - 0208 985 8206)
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This might be the most entertaining fixture of the round.
Given how both teams love to attack (and leak goals!), this will be a high scoring game. Both teams have knocked out high class opposition from the Turkish and Metropolitan leagues to get this far. Phoenix scored 19 goals in the first 3 rounds of this competition. Those included excellent results of 9-2, 6-1 against Turkmenkoy Aydin Spor who are top of, and have a 100% record in Div 2 of the Turkish League. They also came from 3-1 down at HT to draw 4-4 AET against Golden Eagles who are second in the competitive Metropolitan League (including an injury time equaliser), before winning on penalties. Phoenix are the 2-time consecutive champions of the Camden League, and won the quadruple (league title and 3 cup competitions) last season. Phoenix are clearly good enough to win this competition.

Sporting Santos are unbeaten in the league this season, and are top of their league’s senior division (second tier). Santos knocked out the much fancied Charlton Utd in the 3rd round (4-2), but then the next week – lost 1-4 to the same Charlton Utd in the Bartholomew Bowl (a “domestic” cup in the Metropolitan league). So was that 3rd round victory over Charlton a freak result?

I think this will be a high scoring game with Phoenix winning 4-2 or 3-2.


LAPTON (HACKNEY & LEYTON LEAGUE - PREMIER DIV) –v- SABANOH 97 (WOOLWICH & ELTHAM ALLIANCE
- PREMIER DIV)
-Confirmed Kick-Off 10:30am
Hackney Marshes (South Marsh), Homerton High Road, London E9 (nearest tube – Leyton, central line, or buses W15, 308), TEL- 0208 985 8206

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Both teams lost their last game. Lapton’s undefeated 100% record this season came to an end last weekend. Sabanoh are holders of the Plumstead Challenge Cup, which is an inter-league county cup for teams playing in south London/Kent leagues. They are a physically strong side and will not be intimidated by Lapton. The good news for Sabanoh is that Lapton’s key defender Terry Paul is cup tied so will not play after playing for Tripimeni in the FA Sunday Cup last weekend. Paul is so important that the newspaper report for Tripimeni’s win over Dee Road Rangers in the FA Sunday Cup credited Tripimeni’s victory to “the calming influence of Terry Paul”.

The bad news for Sabanoh is that playing Lapton after they lost a game is a bit like fighting Mike Tyson straight after someone dented his car bumper! Lapton will be missing a few key players but they have just signed one of the most prolific strikers in amateur football – Nathan Scarborough (as if a team who have scored 91 goals in 13 games, and who average 7 goals per game this season need more attackers!). Scarborough used to play for Redbridge and Tilbury in the Ryman League (step 4), and in his first season in the H & L league scored 64 goals in 27 starts…including an amazing record of scoring in every single game that he played that season. This is Scarborough in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK3OJrjPl68&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjDKG0xiXxs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma2NxOzqPZc&feature=related


This match will have goals. Partly because Lapton are so attack minded, and throw so many players forward that they will score AND concede. They play 4-2-4 with two very attacking wingers (really just strikers who stay out wide!) and an attacking central midfielder (Gabriel Fanibuyan of Chesham Utd - step 3). Their right winger has lightning pace (imagine Andrei Kanchelskis on steroids!).

I think it will be a physical and close game, but home advantage gives Lapton the edge.


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London F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup Quarter-Final Results...
Norton 1 Koture 2
Apoel 2 Yalova 3
Lapton 2 Sabanoh 1

I don't know the result of Phoenix v. Sporting Santos yet. Does anybody know ?

Two clubs from the Turkish Community Football Federation in the Semi-Finals then and another one (Akincilar) still in the Sunday Challenge Cup and in with a good chance of reaching the Final I would have thought ?
Looks like that League could be the strongest Sunday League in London at the moment ?

As for the Waltham Sunday League, Enfield Rangers have made it through to the Final of the Middlesex Sunday Premier Cup, while Flamstead End must be one of the favourites for the Hertfordshire F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup on current form.
Runaway Premier Division leaders Upshire got knocked out of the Essex Sunday Premier Cup by Botolphs (from Colchester) on Sunday though, losing 1-0 at Home.
We also have Turnford Rangers and Cheshunt Town in the Quarter-Finals of the Herts F.A. Sunday Junior Cup and Churchbury in the Quarter-Finals of the Middlesex Junior Trophy. Cheshunt Town are a mid-table Division Three team, but they have ex-Arsenal & England U-16 player Sam Byles and Chesham United's Leon Archer both playing for them now, so that should give them a chance of getting through to the final. if they both play.



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No surprises in the winners of the 3 results in so far. Also, each match was close as to be expected in tense quarter-finals between closely matched and talented teams.


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Two clubs from the Turkish Community Football Federation in the Semi-Finals then and another one (Akincilar) still in the Sunday Challenge Cup and in with a good chance of reaching the Final I would have thought ?
Looks like that League could be the strongest Sunday League in London at the moment ?



The Turkish league is strong, and I don't want to take anything away from their teams, but it is fair to mention:

*The progress of Yalova and Koture in the Intermediate Cup has a lot to do with the LFA's problematic grading system that we have discussed at length (i.e. they should be in the Challenge Cup, not the Intermediate Cup - which they are too good for!).

*Akincilar have played only one game in the Challenge Cup! (even then - it was against a team that are bottom of their league).

*4 of the Turkish league teams got knocked out in the early stages of the Intermediate Cup (including
Turkmenkoy Aydin Spor who lost to Phoenix, and Antalyaspor who lost to Sporting Santos).

*Although they reached the SF of the Intermediate Cup, Koture could not score in 120 minutes of football against a very average and depleted Albion Manor team.

I think the strongest leagues right now are the KOPA League and the Orpington & Bromley District League. Tripimeni (of the KOPA league) are through to the QF of the FA (national) Sunday Cup. A lot of the best south London teams have recently joined the OBDSFL - including recent champions of the LKB and Metropolitan Leagues such as Baldon Sports and Groundhoppers (and they are not even in the top division!). Eltham Town won the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup two seasons ago, and the OBDSFL league champs Centresports Utd have been in the past two finals of the Kent FA Sunday Premier Cup.

Last season Valtaro Wasteels (former Challenge Cup winners) were playing in the top division of the Sportsmans Senior League, and Bullers FC (yes - the same Bullers FC who lost 0-7 to Lapton in the Intermediate Cup) were in the top division of the LKB League (where they finished second behind Baldon Sports only two seasons ago). Yet both Valtaro Wasteels and Bullers are in the OBDSFL's third tier! Shocked

Additionally (the ground hoppers will like this), teams in the top 2 Divs of the OBDSFL MUST have a private ground with a roped off pitch, "first class playing surface", as well as a hospitality/reception and drinks area, and car parking.

It is really hard to track the progress of Waltham League sides in County Cups - since your teams compete in 4 different County Cups! Shocked


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Some interesting points there, Stevegraze.

1) Akincilar only playing one game so far in the Challenge Cup in getting through to the Quarter-Finals. This is where it is wrong that the London F.A. allow clubs to opt out of entering their Sunday Cup competitions and also in allowing too many Intermediate-standard teams to enter the Junior Cup and Challenge Cup-standard (Premier Division) teams to enter either the Intermediate or the Junior. There needs to be enough teams in the Challenge Cup for an extra round to be added. That will make it a more viable competition.

2) The Orpington, Bromley & District Sunday League. That's an interesting rule regarding clubs in their top two divisions having to play at private grounds with those sort of facilities. Obviously, Orpington and Bromley is a well-off area and they can do that there, but there are a lot of Leagues in London that would have no chance...the Hackney & Leyton for one. Shocked
Even in the Waltham Sunday League where some teams do play on private grounds with those sort of facilities, we wouldn't have enough to fill two divisions. It's no wonder that the OBDSL are so strong. Good facilities will also attract good players who can afford to pay their subs (e.g. ex-Semi-Pros who have good jobs in the City), so those clubs then subsequently get stronger.

3) Waltham Sunday League clubs competing in different County Cups. Yes, our League is pretty unique because it is based in Waltham Cross, which is right on the point of where the borders of London, Middlesex, Hertfordshire & Essex all meet. The only way to keep tabs on how our teams are doing in their respective County Cup competitions is to click on the links to each Cup at the bottom of this page on my club website and try and memorise which teams are actually in the Waltham League. Our League uses Full-Time as it's sole website now, and it doesn't really integrate with County Cup competitions.
As already mentioned, the OBDSL's teams are either London or Kent affiliated, then you have the Morden Sunday League (another very strong League) whose clubs are either London or Surrey-affiliated. There are also one or two Sunday Leagues in Essex who have either London or Essex-affiliated clubs, but in my opinion, the Waltham Sunday League is as strong as anything around. It's just that it's difficult to 'prove' because the clubs are all split up into four counties. As I have said before, we always have teams reaching County Cup Finals year after year, but rarely in London because most of our London-F.A.-affiliated clubs are not forced to enter...so they don't.



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LFA SUNDAY INTERMEDIATE CUP
The outstanding result: Phoenix 3-v- Sporting Santos 1. All the favourites got through. Semi-final line up (Sunday February 26):

Koture -v- Yalova (both Turkish Community Football Federation) - Pymmes Park, Victoria Road, Edmonton, London N18 2UG
Phoenix (Camden Sunday League) -v- Lapton (Hackney & Leyton League) - Hackney Marshes

On paper/based on form - you'd expect it to be a Lapton -v- Yalova final. That would seem right as they are arguably the two best teams in the Intermediate Cup. Incredibly, Lapton might get to the final without playing away. Although they are "away" to Phoenix, technically it is a journey of only a few hundred yards for Lapton as Phoenix play at Hackney Marshes - not too far from where Lapton play their home games! Lucky sods! I said that the most likely way for Lapton to lose is if they got drawn away to some far flung corner of south London. Lucky for them that has not happened!

Yalova, Lapton, Charlton United, Faithfold, Hendon Utd Sports, Golden Eagles and Convoys should never have been in this cup (they should have been in the Challenge Cup instead).

THESEC, Lapton's GK Eray Demirkol used to play in the Turkish League. Do you know him?

Lapton's center-back Terry Paul played for Tripimeni yesterday as he was cup-tied and could not play for Lapton against Sabanoh 97. Strange that Lapton play in the Intermediate Cup with a weakened team, and reserve their strongest team for their league games!

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The OBDSFL has those ground requirements precisely because they DO want to attract a better standard of player/team to their league. It has worked - as several teams abandoned south London leagues such as the LKB and Metropolitan leagues to join the OBDSFL. It is easier for OBDSFL teams to get a private ground with "facilities" because as Hughesvideo said - the OBDSFL are based in an affluent area on the London/Kent border with lots of parks, open spaces and greenery to locate local sports teams.

Many OBDSFL teams do well in the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup or Kent FA Sunday Premier Cup. In fact many of this year's LFA games have been/will be derbies between OBDSFL clubs (Groundhoppers v Vista, Eltham Town -v- Kenningwell Utd, Eltham Town -v- Baldon Sports).

THESEC, your team will have a tough game against Groundhoppers. This season, they already beat the top two teams in the division above them, including perhaps the best Sunday team in Kent (Centresports United).

FOREST GUMP - if you are still looking for an east London league to join, the East London Sunday League is desperately looking for new teams. Their league has shrunk to just 2 divisions. The ELSFL is actually the oldest Sunday league in Europe! Shocked If you want to join you can contact their chairman Brian Hannon on 07956 819829 or email [email protected]


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Time for the quarter-finals of the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup. It is down to 8 excellent teams and each of the 4 games will be a cracker. I recommend the games at Eltham Town and Groundhoppers in south London to the groundhoppers (no pun intended!) as both games are taking place at private grounds.

SUNDAY FEBRUARY 5, 2012, 10:30AM KICK-OFFS:

Pearscroft United (Sportsmans Senior League) v FC Tripimeni (KOPA League)
http://www.parikiaki.com/archives/5138/dscf6452
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Pearscroft won the Sportsmans Senior League last year without losing a game. They are also undefeated this season. They got to the final of last year's Challenge Cup and narrowly lost to New Salamis. Tripimeni play in the same league as New Salamis and finished second behind New Salamis last season (they are also in second place behind New Salamis this season). Tripimeni are in good form and are also through to the quarter-final of the FA Sunday national cup.

A very difficult match to call. I would give Pearscroft a slight (home) advantage due to their difficult pitch.


Eltham Town v Baldon Sports (both Orpington & Bromley District League)
Eltham Town: http://www.freewebs.com/...Team%20Line%20up.jpg
Baldon: http://www.lkbfootballleague.co.uk/...club_info/Baldon.JPG Venue: Eltham Town FC, Starbuck Close, 176 Footscray Road, Eltham SE9 2DT

This is a REAL DERBY between two teams who play in the same league, and at the same stadium (they ground share). Even moreso as some Baldon players used to play for Eltham (including Marc Hughes) and the two teams know each other well. Eltham are the champions of the OBDSFL and won the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup two seasons ago. Baldon have reached the final of the Challenge Cup 3 times in the past 4 years.

Baldon's squad will include: Ryan Dolby (Welling United, Conference South - Step 2), Adam Dolby (AFC Sudbury, Ryman League - Step 4), Jason Dolby (Cray Valley, Kent League - Step 5), Marc Hughes (Erith & Belvedere, Kent League - Step 5), Calum O'Shea (Chipstead, Ryman League - step 4), Luke I'anson (Thurrock, Conference South - Step 2).

Expect a close, fast paced and physical game (it always is when Baldon are playing!). I think Baldon's aggression will see them win. This match will also be played at a private stadium.


Groundhoppers (Orpington & Bromley District League) v Akincillar (Turkish Community Football Federation)
Groundhoppers: http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/...151870_2136989_n.jpg
Akincilar: http://akincilarfc.com/...llery/team/team2.jpg
Venue: Sydenham Sports FC, Cricket Lane, Sydenham, BR3 1LF

After dominating and winning multiple titles in the Metropolitan League, Groundhoppers have joined the even stronger OBDSFL, and are currently top of that league's Premier division. They are looking very strong and this season - have already beaten the top two teams in the OBDSFL's top division, including Centresports United who reached the final of the Kent Sunday Premier Cup for two successive seasons. Akincilar are the champions of the Turkish league and reached the semi-final of the Challenge Cup last season, where they narrowly lost 1-2 to eventual winners New Salamis.

This game is simply too close to call and could go to ET.


Clapton Rangers (Hackney and Leyton League) v Fulham Utd (Sportsmans Senior League)
CR team: http://www.flickr.com/...6181146521/lightbox/
Fulham Utd: http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/...092331_8386619_n.jpg
venue: Hackney Marshes (South Marsh), Homerton High Road, London E9

Clapton became the first team to ever win the Junior and Intermediate cups in successive seasons (2008 and 2009). They nearly completed a historic treble by winning the Challenge Cup the next season, but after leading in the semi-final against Baldon Sports, they self destructed, gave away a penalty and conceded two late goals in the dying seconds of extra-time to somehow contrive a loss from the jaws of victory. They are having a poor season in the league but their league form has absolutely no relation to their cup form. They always seem to be a much better team in cup matches. Incredibly they have only ever lost one London cup match (even then it was AET).

This is a video of their 2009 victory in the Intermediate Cup: http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

Clapton's squad includes: Ade Cole (Bishops Stortford, Conference North - step 2), captain Michael Filletti (Waltham Forest, Ryman League - Step 4, ex Dagenham & Redbridge), Ben Gracey (Waltham Forest, Ryman League - Step 4), Ashley Taylor-Forbes, Bradley Drisdale (both of Enfield, Essex Senior League - Step 5), Brian Okwera (Broxbourne Borough, Spartan South Midlands League - Step 5), Michael Noble (ex Ilford FC, Ryman League - step 4).

Fulham Utd are undefeated in all competitions this season. They are the giant killers of this year after beating holders New Salamis to avenge their defeat to New Salamis in the quarter-final of this competition last season. They also played Clapton Rangers in the quarter-final of the 2009 Intermediate Cup but lost narrowly 1-2 AET. Clapton Rangers are not as good as they were back then, and Fulham have improved since then. Clapton Rangers have been victims of their own success with their league rivals Lapton poaching players from them (Nathan Scarborough and Courtney Laidley).

It will be a close game. On paper Fulham might be favourites after beating New Salamis, but it is very difficult to know which "version" of Clapton Rangers to expect.


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Great post Stevegraze,

Eray Demirkol now plays for Turkmenkoy FC in the second division of the TCFF, couple of seasons ago coached Antalyaspor of the same league.

Yes, Ground hoppers will be a tricky team to get past, as long as the referee, Chris Dodd stays strong together with his assistance, we'll both have a very good game, if it don't get called off because of frozen pitches.

What are the pitches like at Sydenham Sports club?


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What are the pitches like at Sydenham Sports club?

The pitches look like lush green excellent playing surfaces. See photos below:


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Eray Demirkol now plays for Turkmenkoy FC in the second division of the TCFF, couple of seasons ago coached Antalyaspor of the same league.

I knew he played for Anatalyaspor, but did not realise he also played for Turkmenkoy. He has won trophies galore with Lapton. I don't know how good good a GK he is because he has very little to do in most games for Lapton. His role is usually limited to taking goal kicks as Lapton usually spend most games camped in the opposition's half.




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Weather permitting these LFA Sunday Challenge Cup quarter-final matches will FINALLY take place this Sunday (February 19) at 10:30am after being postponed for the past 2 weeks due to bad weather.

An interesting note to the Eltham Town -v- Baldon Sports derby is that Baldon Sports were once known as..."Eltham Town C". They used to be Eltham Town's third team, went off on their own and have been very successful since. A bit like FC United playing Man U or AFC Wimledon playing MK Dons.

Eltham Town beat Baldon 2-0 in a President's Charity Cup QF match just 2 weeks ago. This should be another feisty game between the former team-mates.

Baldon also recently got knocked out of the Kent Premier Cup by the holders Rising Sun FC who won 5-2. Baldon got a player sent off (no surprise there!), but then Rising Sun were reduced to 9 men after getting 2 players sent off! Yet they still won 5-2 in a 10 -v- 9 match! Shocked


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CLAPTON RANGERS (HACKNEY AND LEYTON LEAGUE) 0 –V- FULHAM UNITED (SPORTSMANS SENIOR LEAGUE) 1
LONDON SUNDAY CHALLENGE CUP – QUARTER-FINAL, February 19, 2011, Hackney Marshes (South Marsh)



Fulham United are through to the semi-finals where they will face 2010 Intermediate Cup winners Eltham Town, at home. Fulham avenged their 2-3 defeat to Clapton in the quarter-finals of the Intermediate Cup three seasons ago.

Clapton Rangers lost three key players during the winter break (including their star striker and prolific goalscorer James Smith - whose goals got them through the previous rounds of this cup). To make matters worse they were also missing four other key players (including their two most creative players – playmaker Ade Cole (Bishops Stortford, Conference North - step 2) and flying winger Bradley Drisdale of Enfield (Essex Senior League – Step 5)). I presume Cole was injured as he was at the game watching, but was not in kit.

Incredibly, despite missing so many players, Clapton still had the following in their starting 11: (GK) Christian Beaupierre, Ashley Taylor-Forbes (both of Enfield, Essex Senior League – Step 5), Boniek Forbes (a former pro with Leyton Orient! Now at Thurrock, Ryman League – Step 4), Michael Filletti and Ben Gracey (both of Waltham Forest, Ryman League - Step 4), *Ricky Edwards (Stansted - Essex Senior League – Step 5), Brian Okwera (Broxbourne Borough, Spartan South Midlands League - Step 5), and Michael Noble (ex Ilford FC, Ryman League - step 4).

Without so many attacking players, Clapton were solid at the back and in midfield, but lacked cutting edge in attack. Both teams played attacking 4-3-3 formations. The first half was a tight and closely contested affair with few clear cut chances. Clapton had more of the ball, but Fulham had the better chances and Clapton’s GK Christian Beaupierre made two excellent saves in the first half.

10 minutes into the second half, Fulham’s Danny Paxton flicked a header into the Clapton goal from a free kick to put his side in front. Fulham defended resolutely, then switched to 4-4-2. Clapton Rangers had a great chance to equalize when Fulham’s GK saved well from Ricky Edwards’ shot, and Clapton’s striker Boniek Forbes blasted the rebound over the bar from the edge of the six yard box.

Another good victory for Fulham to follow up their impressive win over holders New Salamis in the previous round. Fulham are still undefeated this season. They are a well organized, solid and hard working team. Although they are a well drilled outfit, they lack “stars” and I am surprised that they beat New Salamis.

*HUGHESVIDEO – Ricky Edwards used to play for Albion Manor. I presume he did not play for them against your team as he would have been cup tied otherwise?


Man of the Match: Michael Noble (Clapton Rangers). Tackled firmly and defended resolutely. A terrier at the back.

Match photos:

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ELTHAM TOWN 3 –V- BALDON SPORTS 2 (BOTH ORPINGTON & BROMLEY DISTRICT LEAGUE) – AET (2-2 at full time)

Eltham Town won the Kent derby of two teams who play in the same league and ground share. I mentioned before that these teams know each other well, and that some Baldon players used to play for Eltham. Baldon are actually Eltham’s tenants at the Eltham Town stadium where both teams play!

This is Baldon’s second cup defeat to Eltham in the past month (after losing 0-2 to Eltham in the President’s Charity Cup), and their third recent cup defeat (after being knocked out of the Kent Premier Cup last month by the holders rising sun, 2-5). Things will not get easier for Baldon either as next week, they face another local derby against league leaders and fellow LFA Challenge Cup quarter-finalists Groundhoppers (in the Paul Picard Cup).

The Pearscroft Utd v Tripimeni match was postponed due to Tripimeni’s FA Sunday Cup match against Oyster Martyrs this weekend (and will be played next weekend). I am not sure that the Groundhoppers v Akincilar match was played. I am sticking with my prediction that the Challenge Cup winner will emerge from these two ties.


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Jesus! From that Clapton Rangers team, all of them apart from Beaupierre, Forbes and Noble have played for us (Forest) in the last few years. Even Ade Cole has!

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