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Although Sunday football is often dismissed as the worst standard of football in the country, there are some surprisingly good Sunday leagues. I’m thinking of leagues like the Hackney and Leyton league which at Premier/Div 1 level has a very good standard of play.
http://www.hackneyandleytonfootballleague.co.uk/#/history-of-league/4529692287

Matches between top teams in the Prem often resemble semi-pro matches as there has been a tradition of the top Prem sides fielding several semi-pro players playing at Conference, Ryman and other senior level. The Hackney and Leyton has a very strong claim to be the highest standard of Sunday league play in London. Recently several teams from the league have won London wide FA competitions (3 of the last 4 LFA Sunday Intermediate Cups have been won by Hackney and Leyton league teams):
  • Albion Manor won the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup in 05/06.
  • The next year Albion Manor played in the LFA Challenge Cup and knocked out Aris who were arguably the best Sunday team in London having won the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup twice in a row in 02/03 and 03/04 and the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup in 04/05 and 05/06 (four consecutive years as London champs).
  • Two years after Albion Manor won it, the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup was again won by a Hackney and Leyton league team: Eureka.
  • Right now the Hackney and Leyton league’s Clapton Rangers are the holders of the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup. They won that cup after winning the LFA Sunday Junior Cup the season before (became the first side in history to win the LFA Junioor and Sunday Intermediate Cups in successive seasons). They entered the nationwide FA Sunday Cup but their application was rejected for some reason.
Clapton Rangers had several semi-pro players on their books:

*Michael Filletti – played in the Conference for Dagenham & Redbridge.

*Ben Gracey – played in the Ryman Prem Div for Leyton. Now at Waltham Forest.

*Ashley Taylor-Forbes (Ryman League – Chestnut)

*Nathan Scarborough – this kid was picked up by Redbridge of the Ryman league after scoring an incredible 64 goals in 27 starts…including an amazing record of scoring in every single game that Clapton played in the 07/08 season.

*Bradley Drisdale (Ryman League - Ilford)


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Sunday football is indeed dismissed as a load of glory-hunting thugs kicking each other (not unfairly in most Sunday leagues I've played in) but there are certainly some quality teams out there. The Mercury Waltham League I found to be a well organised competition which would be a credit to any Saturday setup. In terms of best non-pyramid league in London I'd still go for the SAL. It has a lot of players who could, in other situations, play semi-pro football but who choose not to (have other commitments, don't want the travelling etc of pyramid leagues). In addition I think it has consistency which most Sunday leagues lack as they have a very high rate of turnover.

Aside from all that, I think Sunday league football is a hugely under explored area. There are a lot of people on this site who do masses of work researching and analysing Saturday football but I don't know of any large deposits of info about the Sunday game. This is largely because the leagues themselves don't keep records as much but it would be interesting to pull these bits together.

ps. the link didn't work when I clicked it - can you check it for me?


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Yes, I've heard good things about the Mercury Waltham League too. But is is interesting to note that teams from the MWL who came up against teams from the Hackney and Leyton league in LFA competitions got trounced. Right now, there is a debate going on at an MWL club's forum saying that Eureka are the best team they have ever played. Yet Eureka are a mid table team in the Hackney and Leyton's Prem! The Hackney and Leyton won the Inter-league cup the last time they bothered to enter a team.

For the link, go to: http://www.hackneyandleytonfootballleague.co.uk/

Then click "Articles", then click "the history of the Hackney and Leyton Sunday Football league".

On the topic of the standard of play, in the 1990s Ordell of the Hackney and Leyton league won the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup three times (including 2 successive victories). That team of theirs was made up mostly of a semi-pro team that played in the Spartan League. Some of those players included midfielder Tim Hambley who went on to play in the Conference for Havant & Waterlooville (yes the same Havant that nerly knocked Liverpool out of the FA Cup!) and the England semi-pro team, and prolific scorer Darren Gallery who played Ryman league football.


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Oh I'm not suggesting the MWL challenges the HLL, just that it's a good, well organised league with players who turn up on time and want to play football rather than fight, which is what I've found in the other Sunday leagues I've played in. The top teams in the SAL are about step 5 standard and one or two have been known to beat Isthmian League sides on occasion. I still reckon the SAL is the strongest non-pyramid league in London on a consistent basis. Of course, a lot of SAL players also play on Sundays as well.


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Right now, there is a debate going on at an MWL club's forum saying that Eureka are the best team they have ever played.


Yes, here's the link to that on my website. Sly

I agree that the SAL is probably the best Non-Pyramid League in London, but there are certainly a few Sunday Leagues that run them very close....these being the afore-mentioned Hackney & Leyton League and Mercury Waltham League (The 'Mercury' sponsorship has now been dropped actually), and also the Orpington & Bromley League, the Morden League, and particularly the Cypriot (KOPA) League and the Turkish Community Federation.
The Cypriot and Turkish teams tend to dominate the later stages of the London F.A. Sunday Cup competitions as they attract a lot of Step 3 & 4 players because of 'rewards' from the rich businessmen from those particular communities who sponsor their clubs. Just have a look at the squad lists of the top clubs in the KOPA League and you will see plenty of familiar names if you follow the Ryman League. You will also see some of the Cypriot teams paying to use stadiums for their home ground instead of park pitches.
When Aris reached the London Sunday Challenge Cup Final, they produced their own match-day programme which was more-or-less a 100-page book full of adverts from sponsors. Absolutely incredible, and your average English Pub Team will never compete with that.

Just to correct Steve on the MWL clubs being 'trounced' by Hackney & Leyton League clubs in LFA competitions. That's not strictly true as the now-defunct Trent Park (Arkay) from the MWL beat Eureka 2-1 in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup the season before Eureka beat us 4-0.
I don't know which other teams from our League have faced Hackney & Leyton League teams in recent seasons, as most teams in the MWL are Herts, Middlesex or Essex-affiliated as opposed to London.

Debates about Sunday League football often centre on the vast reduction in the number of clubs and Leagues over the past 10-15 years, which therefore leads observers to believe that 'it is not as good as it used to be', but having run Edmonton Rovers for 33 years now, I can honestly say that the standard now is actually better than it used to be because you have to be more committed to play Sunday League football nowadays what with Sunday work commitments and nightclubs open all night.
The 24-hour drinking (and drugs !) culture has weeded out most of the beer guts and 'glory-hunting thugs'. Virtually every team we play in the MWL these days (and we are only in Division One, not the Premier) turn up an hour before kick-off in sponsored track tops, they do properly-organised warm-ups for 30 minutes before the kick-off, they are much fitter than teams we used to play in the 70's & 80's, and virtually all of their players have either played in the Ryman League, Spartan South Midlands League Premier Division, or for Professional clubs' Academies as youngsters before being released.

I am now putting highlights of Edmonton Rovers matches on You Tube from this season onwards. If you take a look here at the goals our opponents scored in our first League match this season, you will probably be quite impressed.



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Can anyone help me get 08-09 sunday cup results for London and Essex? I'm trying to a bit of a comparison of sunday leagues but they're sites only seem to have the current season. I've got Herts, Middx and Surrey. Also need Kent who have nothing on their site.


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Can anyone help me get 08-09 sunday cup results for London and Essex? I'm trying to a bit of a comparison of sunday leagues but they're sites only seem to have the current season. I've got Herts, Middx and Surrey. Also need Kent who have nothing on their site.


I have got the 08-09 London Sunday Cup results for all three competitions, so I'll scan them and e-mail them to you later. I made sure I printed them off before the London F.A. took them off their website, as they don't keep an archive for some reason.



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Cheers. My efforts have dipped somewhat, since a fuse went and my PC switched off losing the 30+ Sunday league tables and all the cup data I've gathered so far this morning Crazy


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Sunday footballers turning up an hour before kick off and warming up properly in matching sponsored track suite tops!
Things have changed a bit since I played, arrive in time to change, have a fag and take three pot shots at the goal before kick off (omitting the fag & shots if you had come directly from your Saturday night out) .
Teams would display an assortment of colours among their shorts and many players had odd sock. Having any sort of track suite top was considered showing off and a bit wimpish, .
Perhaps taking it so seriously, while improving the standard, has had an effect on the numbers that play. It does not sound as much fun as it was in the 1960s &70s.
I note that there is no mention of the after match trip to the pub which was, I believe, enshrined in the rules of some of the early Sunday Football leagues


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My memories of it were the corners. A load of unfit hungover lads sweating alcohol and farting in a small (but thankfully not enclosed) space - I'm surprised no one passed out...

I have put together some stats of leagues in and around London using data from Middx, London, Herts and Surrey cups (thanks to HughesVideo for the 08-09 London results - still trying to find Kent and Essex data from 08-09). Some of the league allocations are from 09-10 constitutions where I couldn't find the team in 08-09 tables. Feel free to peruse and correct.

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One of the biggest problems with men's Sunday League football today is that the WAGS wear the trousers. It's all Victoria Beckham's fault IMO. Wink
My own team have 39 players registered for this season, yet we only run one team. They are all very good players, but not one of them can play week-in, week-out because of family commitments, which invariably mean babysitting while the WAG goes out shopping on a Sunday or visiting the in-laws for an early Sunday lunch. If we are playing a Cup game, we are in big trouble if it goes into Extra Time, as half our team need to be substituted after 90 minutes because the missus is waiting for them in the car park.
That's why we have to have so many players registered. Back in the 70's and 80's, our players were able to turn up every week because shops were not open on Sundays and the Spice Girls were yet to be formed !
The successful teams in our League are the ones whose WAGS don't mind coming along to watch the matches, so the players are more likely to play on a regular basis.

We are actually sponsored by a pub, but rarely get any more than half a dozen players down there after a match nowadays because of post-match family commitments.
As for pre-match arrival and warm-ups, ours are nearly as bad as that which Geoff describes and we definitely still play for fun first and foremost.
We are very-well organised in other ways though, as we do have drill tops for our pre-match 'sort of warm-up', you will rarely find any team in our League wearing an assortment of different coloured shorts & socks, and especially not us, we have one of the best club websites in Sunday football, we video all of our matches (properly) and here's the best one...we have been doing zonal marking from corners for the past 15 years, and we know what we are doing with it, unlike Liverpool ! Smile



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Hey Mr Hughes. Thanks for the additional info re MWL and other leagues. Please don't think I was belittling the MWL. You are spot on re the Orpington and Bromley league. There is a team from that league with a long history called Kenningwell Utd that always does very well in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup. As for H & L teams playing teams from MWL:

*Trent Park were knocked out by Albion Manor - of the H & L.

*I believe your Edmonton Rovers were knocked out by Bancroft Utd and Eureka - both of the H & L. From the comments on your website, I read you/your players saying VERY complimentary things about both teams. I believe you said Bancroft were the best team you've ever played (a lot of people saidamazing things about that Bancroft team), and then updated that comment after the more recent clash with Eureka.

I'm glad you made the point about how sophisticated Aris are and their large budget. Like I said in the prior post, Aris won the LFA Sunday Junior/Intermediate cups 4 years in a row until their undefeated run was ended by Albion Manor of....you guessed it, the H & L league.

Great videos by the way. You were very objective in posting the clips of Enfield Royals' silky football. Very impressive skills on display. Also noted the absence of any players with beer bellies!


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You'd have to look back at longer than one season to get a fair reflection of the relative strengths of different leagues. Perhaps the winners of the LFA Sunday Cups of the past 5 years will help?

London Sunday Challenge Cup

2004-05 Aris (KOPA Cypriot Football League)
2005-06 Aris (KOPA Cypriot Football League)
2006-07 Akincilar (Turkish Community Football Federation)
2007-08 New Salamis (KOPA Cypriot Football League)
2008-09 Baldon Sports (London and Kent Border League)

London Sunday Intermediate Cup

2004-05 Mehmetcik (Turkish Community Football Federation)
2005-06 Albion Manor (Hackney and Leyton League)
2006-07 Frenford Sunday (Essex Sunday Corinthian League)
2007-08 Eureka (Hackney and Leyton League)
2008-09 Clapton Rangers (Hackney and Leyton League)*

London Sunday Junior Cup

2004-05 Fenerbahce (Turkish Community Football Federation)**
2005-06 Red Star Camden (Musical Associations League)
2006-07 Rolls Park (East London Sunday Football League)
2007-08 Clapton Rangers (Hackney and Leyton League)
2008-09 Cetinkaya Cinar (KOPA Cypriot Football League)

*First team to win the LFA Sunday Junior and Intermediate Cups in successive seasons.
**Transferred to the Hackney and Leyton League, then returned to the TCFF.

Based on this, Mr Hughes analysis about the Cypriot, Turkish and Hackney and Leyton league being very strong is spot on. Looks like the leagues producing the best teams are the KOPA Cypriot Football League and the Hackney and Leyton League – both of which have produced 4 cup winners in the past 5 years.




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I may be wrong, but I understand that the Cypriot and Turkish Sunday Leagues allow contract players from Saturday football to play in their League matches. They then make the mistake of thinking that is allowed in London F.A. Cup competitions as well, and therefore get thrown out of the competition. On the LFA website they put 'removed' for the offending team amongst the results, and you see it every season.
The Cypriot and Turkish Leagues also have a rule that limits each team to having only two (or it might be three now ?) non-Greek/Greek Cypriot/Turkish/Turkish Cypriot players on the pitch at any one time, so those particular players are invariably the best they can find from 'Semi-Pro' Saturday football.
A lot of the Greek and Turkish players used have played professionally in Cyprus though, some of them in the Champions League !

Regarding Bancroft United, we were only in Division Five of our League when we played them. They had several Ryman League players playing for them, mainly from Witham Town. C.J. Emmanuel was one of them. I can't remember the others.
Don't forget that Edmonton Rovers are only a lower/mid-table side in Division One of the MWL, not the Premier Division. Most of the sides we play in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup are in the Premier Divisions of their Leagues. (e.g. Eureka).

I will be posting more highlights of our matches so far this season on You Tube towards the end of October. Following that Enfield Royals match, we lost 4-0 to East Herts, who beat Enfield Royals 3-1 last Sunday. However, we have since gone three matches unbeaten. This Sunday, we are playing AFC Cheshunt, who are all current or former players of clubs from Steps 4-7 on Saturdays.

The MWL (or Waltham Sunday Football League as it is now known) now use the F.A.'s Full-Time website to list registered players for each club. You can view AFC Cheshunt's players here and all other teams here by clicking on the club name in a League table, then clicking on one of their listed fixtures.
If you have a look at Lea Valley Royals in the Premier Division, you will see a certain Lee Marshall of Enfield, Norwich, West Brom, Leicester & England U-21 fame playing regularly, and there are several other less well-known ex-full-time professionals playing for other clubs.




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I don't have 5 years' worth of LFA results - they don't seem to keep archives on their site. If anyone's got them I'll happily compile another set of stats on the back of it. Winners are some indicator but I prefer to use all the results to create a UEFA style co-efficient for each league/division.


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I don't have 5 years' worth of LFA results - they don't seem to keep archives on their site. If anyone's got them I'll happily compile another set of stats on the back of it. Winners are some indicator but I prefer to use all the results to create a UEFA style co-efficient for each league/division.


I normally print off the LFA Sunday Cup competition results at the end of every season and I think I have those print-outs somewhere that I can scan in for you when I can find the time. However, I missed the 2007-2008 Season. They took them off the website and deleted the files before I realised.

What exactly is that PDF of Sunday League stats you have done there ?
Is it based on just the Winners and Runners-Up of Sunday County Cup Finals over the last five years for London, Middlesex, Essex, Hertfordshire & Surrey ?
I can't see the Mercury Waltham League there, but we have had numerous teams reach County Cup Finals over the years, and in fact I can't remember the last time that our League failed to be represented in a County Cup Final at the end of any particular season.
I have this list on the League Website, but unfortunately we have not kept records of who were beaten Finalists.



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It's based on results in one cup from London, Herts, Surrey and Middx (can't get Kent or Essex). I have taken what appears to be the highest cup from each county. I can have a go at more once I get the info, but as you know, London is a problem because back results are not online.


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Good points re the use of senior players by Cypriot, Turkish teams and Bancroft Utd. Didn't realise you were that far down when you played Bancroft Utd. Spot on about CJ Emmanuel (played for Ilford in the Essex Senior league). They had others too like Steve Osibote (played for Essex FA). More recently you will notice that Bethnal Green Utd (who are now in the Essex Senior League after winning the Middlesex County League) won promotion with a side that can almost be described as "Hackney and Leyton League" allstars with Kadir Jama and Justin Weatherman (Bancroft United), brothers Tony and Ricky Field (Hoxton Athletic), Shane Baptiste (Eureka) and Marlon Campbell (Clapton Rangers).

Do the Cypriot/Turkish teams really have a limitation on the number of non-Turks/Cypriots that can play? Looking at these team photos, it seems like there are quite a few non-Cypriot looking players in these squad pics!

http://www.kopaleague.com/Pages/Team.aspx?ID=135
http://www.kopaleague.com/Pages/Team.aspx?ID=145
http://www.kopaleague.com/Pages/Team.aspx?ID=149

New Salamis of the KOPA Cypriot league played at Chestnut FC's ground. Must help them recruit good players.


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Genuine question - CAN you legally stipulate nationality/ethnicity quotas in any team or club?9

Sunday teams might be happy to field players who are contracted to Saturday teams, but why would a Saturday team allow this to happen and why would a player getting paid on Saturday risk injury on a Sunday?


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I don't know how the nationality/ethnicity thing works, except that it has something to do with private clubs being allowed to admit whoever they like on whatever grounds. The contracted players obviously have nothing in their contract preventing them from playing, and they probably just like playing, so they do. I'm sure Thierry Henry's contract stipulated that he was NOT allowed to play for anyone else, especially in a Sunday league where he might get his leg broken. In terms of risking injury for those contracted players who do play, I'm sure it's no different from being self-employed - you are risking your income by doing something which could prevent you working, but you decide that the risk is low enough vs the enjoyment you get from playing that it's worth it.


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I can remember a case about 15 years ago when Merthyr were reported to have sacked a (very good) player because he was playing Sunday football without their permission and he joined Newport shortly afterwards, presumably with that condition reinforced. I think they were still in the Conference at that time.


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I believe that contracted players from Saturday football do have it in their contract that they cannot play for Sunday clubs, but some ignore it and take a risk because they enjoy playing with their mates, and also it gives them some match practice in a good standard when they may have been sitting on the bench as an unused sub the day before.
The MWL will stop contracted players signing up to play for teams in their League, but some have played as 'ringers' over the years or have 'slipped through the net' during the registration process. I dare say this happens in most Sunday Leagues, but the F.A. are now finally getting to grips with computerised registrations across the board so it seems, and that might stop it happening to some extent.
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Regarding Steve's question '
Do the Cypriot/Turkish teams really have a limitation on the number of non-Turks/Cypriots that can play?', you will see numerous non-Cypriot/Turkish players listed in their squads, but only two (or three) are allowed to be on the pitch at any one time in their League matches...or something like that ?
That rule does not apply in County Cup games though, so they field all their non-Cypriot/Turkish 'semi-pros' in those matches, and that is why they are so strong ijn the LFA Sunday Cups.




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Yes I am sure pro/high level semi-pro players have contractual prohibitions on playing for ANY other teams (whether Sunday or Saturday). But I'm not sure what the case is for players at lower levels of the pyramid (e.g. Steps 5-7 etc). I mean it is not a secret that these guys play on Sundays. Their names and exploits for their Sunday teams get published in local newspapers!


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Yes I am sure pro/high level semi-pro players have contractual prohibitions on playing for ANY other teams (whether Sunday or Saturday). But I'm not sure what the case is for players at lower levels of the pyramid (e.g. Steps 5-7 etc). I mean it is not a secret that these guys play on Sundays. Their names and exploits for their Sunday teams get published in local newspapers!


A lot of Step 5 - 7 Team Managers try to stop their (non-contracted) players playing Sunday football by dropping them to the bench or leaving them out of the squad altogether. This is because a) they don't want them getting injured by 'beer-bellied' players / 'glory-hunters' and b) because of the different system of suspensions for sending off offences whereby a dismissal for violence in Sunday football and the AFA Leagues can be a 35-day ban (which is then also imposed on the pyramid club), but in the pyramid it is only a 2 or 3-match ban.

What I find now is more and more players simply pack up playing in the pyramid both because of that, and also the hassle of travelling to midweek matches when they have increasing work & family commitments, thereby strengthening the Sunday Leagues and the AFA Leagues on Saturdays.
The average age of players in the top Divisions of the (Mercury) Waltham Sunday League is something like 27-28, an age when players are at their peak and should still be playing 'semi-pro', and I am pretty sure that is the case in the top Divisions of the SAL as well.
There are several Step 5-7 clubs in the Waltham Sunday League's area who consistently field teams with an average age of about 19-20 because they use almost exclusively college/University players and ex-pro club Academy players who have not started playing mens' Sunday football yet and have plenty of time on their hands to travel around the M25 for midweek matches.

SAL teams' First XI's and the top Sunday League teams would probably beat these inexperienced Step 5-7 teams most of the time, despite the difference in fitness levels. I think the greater experience would prove crucial.



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Hi guys,

I came across this thread whilst doing a search on my own club and just couldn't resist having a post!!

I have been in Sunday footy for about 15 years now and have to say the standard both on and off the field has really improved. I can honestly say that I think our club is one of the better Sunday teams, but almost all games are played on privately owned grounds, most teams do turn up with club tracksuits and do proper warm ups. Our club also produces a matchday programme that in my humble opinion would rival many of those I have seen at non-league level.

As you can see on our website, the videos are very good quality. The only problem we have is the cameraman (i.e me!) is now back from suspension and we have no-one to video the games!

The standard of football is now very high. As previously mentioned, a lot of players are playing semi-pro whilst also playing Sundays. We do infact have an international in our 1st team!

Of the clubs mentioned, Aris is the one that immdeiately springs to mind. We played them in the final of one of the London Cups (intermediate I think) a few years ago at Wingate & Finchley. From what I remember they brought a couple of hundred supporters and stunned us in going 3 - 0 up after 15 minutes. After that we settled down but they were so strong in defence and so well organised.

Anyway, have added my two penneth and am more than happy to share my views or experiences of Sunday football at a pretty decent standard!


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Thanks for adding to the thread. Good to see your views here. I mentioned your club before as you have a good track record in LFA competitions. Given that you guys are regular LFA competition entrants, which teams/leagues have always been strong in your experience (other than Aris whom everyone agrees were probably been the best Sunday team in London for 4-5 years).

Also, who does the international in your team play for?


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Hi Steve.

One of our guys made his debut for Grenada in the summer. We also have a guy who plays in the second division in Finland, then comes back and plays for us in their off-season. One other player is in the second division in USA and makes a guest apearance for us every now and then. Almost all of our players who have the usual list of pro-clubs they were at as juniors, plus quite a few play Saturdays too.

We lost to North West Neasden (from the Maccabi Southern Football League) in last seasons cup. Although we played poorly on the day, they were very organised and obviously had a lot of players who play Saturdays.

I have to say that one of the other quality teams is Baldon Sports. They were our fierce rivals when we were in the London and Kent Border League. They have done very well in both the London and Kent County Cups in recent years. They are a very aggressive side but again have a lot of know-how, organisation and guys who play Saturdays too.

We have our first match in this years competition next week against Catford Cricket Club from our very own Oprington and Bromley League. Should we win that we will play New Salamis who seem to be a very strong side.


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Thanks for the response. Good luck in your next match. If you get through, watch out for New Salamis. They are from the same league as Aris....


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New Salamis and Aris are the two best teams in the Cypriot (KOPA) Sunday League at the moment, but interestingly, Aris are in the London F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup this season as opposed to the L.F.A. Sunday Challenge Cup. (They have changed their name to Tripimeni-Aris).
In recent seasons, the London F.A. have pretty much allowed teams to enter whichever Cup they want, instead of instructing the best sides to enter the Sunday Challenge Cup.

Thankfully, my team are not due to meet Tripimeni-Aris just yet, but if we beat Nacional De Londres (a Portuguese Team ?) in the next round, we will then be playing Yavruvatan, who are the top team in the Turkish Community League. Yavruvatan should definitely be playing in the Sunday Challenge Cup as they will almost certainly be fielding a whole team of Ryman League players.
Likewise Greengate (from the Essex Sunday Corinthian League) always go in the London F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup, yet they are the best team in their League, they enter the Essex F.A. Sunday Premier Cup and also the F.A. National Sunday Cup. I expect a few of their players are well-known in East London/Essex Non-League circles ?

There are even teams in the London F.A. Sunday Junior Cup that will be fielding a whole host of players from Steps 4-7 of the pyramid, so it can be very strong all round.



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I tend to find that very successful teams try to win the clean sweep of the LFA Sunday Cups. They don't like going into the Challenge Cup until they have won the Junior or Intermediate Cup. You will notice that several of the entrants for this year's Challenge Cup are previous winners/finalists of other LFA competitions:

e.g. Clapton Rangers, Baldon Sports, Kenningwell Utd, New Salamis, Eureka, Albion Manor, North West Neasden.

In fact Aris won the Intermediate Cup twice in a row before they entered the Challenge Cup. Albion Manor and Eureka entered the Challenge Cup only after winning the Intermediate Cup. Clapton Rangers are aiming for history because they won the Junior Cup in 2008, the Intermediate Cup this year (the first team in LFA history to win the Juior and Intermediate Cups in successive years) and they have now entered the Challenge Cup.


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We have our first match in this years competition next week against Catford Cricket Club from our very own Oprington and Bromley League. Should we win that we will play New Salamis who seem to be a very strong side.


I notice here that Kenningwell lost 3-2 to New Salamis on Sunday.
How did the match go ?

I also see that Clapton Rangers are through.

Edmonton Rovers managed to beat Nacional De Londres 6-5 (AET) in the London F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup.
It was a cracking match and highlights are showing here on You Tube.
We are playing Yavruvatan at Home in the Third Round this Sunday. As expected, Aris (Tripimeni-Aris) got through to the Quarter-Finals quite easily and they are going to be the team to beat in that competition.



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First of all, congrats to Edmonton Rovers for their victory. 6-5 AET sounds like a classic game! What league were your opponents from?

Shame that Kenningwell did not get through. Would have been great to see them advance. Congrats once again to Clapton Rangers for beating Panthea in the LFA Challenge Cup. Panthea are a team from what we all agree is a very strong league - KOPA Cypriot League. Panthea won that league in 07-08 and were runners up last season. Shows how good they are and what a great job Clapton did in beating them.

I actually think that the most dangerous teams left in the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup competition might be New Salamis (also of the KOPA league) and Baldon Sports - the defending champions. I think Kenningwell know Baldon well. Good luck in the next round to Edmonton and Clapton Rangers (who have suffered a massive player exodus - losing their Captain and two star strikers).


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First of all, congrats to Edmonton Rovers for their victory. 6-5 AET sounds like a classic game! What league were your opponents from?

Nacional De Londres are one of the top teams in the South-West London based Sportsmans Sunday League, although I believe they actually play their Home matches at Dulwich Hamlet F.C. They were formerly known as Deborah United and changed their name for this season. They reached the Final of the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup in 2006-2007 and only lost on penalties (to Akincilar). I don't know whether any of their players play for Ryman League or Step 5 clubs on Saturdays, but some of their forwards and attacking midfielders were definitely good enough to play at that level. The main reason for such a high-scoring match was that both goalkeepers had a bit of a 'mare' and our 38-year-old centre-forward Conor McGovern (ex-Hoddesdon Town & St. Margaretsbury) was 'on fire' ! Cool



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Congratulations to Clapton Rangers again. Through to the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup semi-final after beating Carrib Club.
Cope1, you'd better change your London Sunday League ranking co-efficients! This season's results have dramatically changed perception of the relative strengths of the various leagues. You've heard what Hughesvideo has said about how strong the KOPA league is with many of the players from that league playing senior football. Just goes to show what I said in the thread title about the great strength of the Hackney and Leyton league. I've lost count of the number of KOPA league teams recently beaten by teams from the H & L league.

I will pat myself on the back for predicting 3 of the 4 semi-finalists several months ago: Baldon Sports, Clapton Rangers and New Salamis. Cool

Clapton Rangers are aiming for history. Won the LFA Junior Cup in 2008, Intermediate Cup in 2009 (which no one had ever done in consecutive seasons)...if they win the Challenge Cup in 2010, that will be unprecedented.

But they've got a VERY tough game in the semis-against the cup holders, and team that won the cup last year - Baldon Sports. I highly recommend that game to the groundhoppers on this forum.


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Not much mention of any of the top South London sunday league sides like AFC Royals, Brixton United, Groundhoppers, Peckham Town, Beckenham Town 95 (all in the Metropolitan league) or Charlton United, Woolwich 90 (in the Woolwich and Eltham Alliance) Charlton United who face Aris in the Intermediate cup semi next sunday. That will actually be a top game to watch as Charlton United have several Kent league and Ryman league players as well but I personally think that Aris will beat them (just my own feeling) but nevertheless it is highly recommended. Woolwich 90 also have a semi in the junior cup the following sunday and they have an equally tough match against Tristars and Deloittee. However there are decent sides in south London as well as the East London and Kopa leagues.


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Charlton United beat Enfield Royals (from the Waltham Sunday League) 5-3 and I know that Enfield Royals were very impressed by them.
We got knocked out in the same round by Yavruvatan. Highlights are showing here on You Tube.
We hadn't played for 9 weeks because of waterlogged & frozen pitches and it showed.
Yavruvatan were a bit dodgy at the back but I would expect them to get through to the Final (again)...against Aris.



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To be fair Darney, I did give praise to Baldon Sports and Kenningwell Utd - BOTH of whom are South London sides!

For those on this forum that are not used to high level Sunday football, I highly recommend watching the Baldon Sports -v- Clapton Rangers semi-final on March 7. Should be a cracker. Several senior/Saturday players on show for both teams, and both teams have been in LFA cup finals for the past 2 years. Baldon are aiming for their 3rd successive LFA Sunday Challenge Cup final, and Clapton won the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup last year and the LFA Sunday Junior Cup the previous year. It is a shame this is not the final because it would be a worthy final.

This is a bit like Man U and Barca playing each other in the Champions League SEMI-final. Would have been great if both Baldon and Clapton got to their 3rd successive final and had an almighty tussle in the final to determine London's undisputed best team.


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Hi Hughesvideo I have been following Charlton's progress in the intermediate cup mainly because my team has some history against them and I wanted to see how they progressed and I am somewhat surprised that they have got so far because although they are a decent side they are particularly dodgy at the back and the keeper they have is suspect but I think they believe they have enough firepower to outscore anyone. I will be an interested observer on sunday against Aris as I have never seen them play but looking at their pedigree and results they do seem to be an extremely strong side and my prediction is that it will be a high scoring game probably something like 5-3 to aris. By the way I had a look at some of your videos and they made interesting viewing. It looks like you definitely could have beat Yarvatan on the chances you had, was their team completely ryman league players do you know?. Stevegraze yes I acknowledge that Baldon and Kenningwell were mentioned but I just wanted to highlight that there were a few other decent sides that haven't won any of the LFA competitions in recent times but I am sure they are capable and I think the likes of Groundhoppers and Caribb have gone out narrowly to some of the other sides that you mentioned. Do either of you know anything about Tristars and Deloitte (London Accountants league) as a side I hear that they are very good?


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It looks like you definitely could have beat Yarvatan on the chances you had, was their team completely ryman league players do you know?.

I had a look at their teamsheet and recognised a couple of names, but when I put them into Google Search it only mentioned them playing for the Turkish Community League Rep Team. Their Manager told me that as far as he was aware, none of his players play in the Ryman League on Saturdays.
I think what happens with the top Turkish and Greek Cypriot Sunday League teams is that they are funded by various businesses from within their communities (depending what village or professional club back in Turkey/Cyprus that the club is named after), so a lot of Ryman League-quality players stop playing on Saturdays and play in the Turkish Community Football Federation or the KOPA (Cypriot) League on Sundays instead...where they will be given expenses and other perks the same as if they were playing in Ryman Division One North or the Spartan South Midlands League.
When we played Aris a few years ago, they told me they trained twice a week and their players were on x amount per man to beat us !

What I have found interesting about all these top sides we have played in the LFA Sunday Challenge or Intermediate Cups over the past decade or so is that they are very attack-minded and often slow and disorganised at the back. Maybe that's because players feel more free to express themselves in Sunday football whereas clubs in the Pyramid are 'scared' (if thats the right word !?) of losing for financial reasons. Yavruvatan and Nacional De Londres both had lightening fast and skilful forwards, but they were nowhere near as good defensively as some of the teams we have played in the (Mercury) Waltham Sunday League this season, most of whom are Hertfordshire F.A. affiliated as the League is based in Waltham Cross/Cheshunt. Most of the players we come up against in our League seem to be more experienced.
Nacional de Londres looked a very young side.

I am pretty sure that if East Herts, Cheshunt Corinthians or Spenny Rangers were all London F.A. affiliated, they would most definitely get through to the Semi-Finals of the top two LFA Sunday Cup competitions. A lot of matches in our Division are very low-scoring compared to results in the LFA Sunday cups.

I don't know anything about teams in the London Accountants League. Do they normally play their League matches in midweek ? We have come up against teams from the Islington Midweek League before in the Sunday Junior Cup.



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No they play their matches on sunday's and all that I have been able to find out about them is that they are a 'university type side' which to my knowledge university level is quite a good standard. I noticed that a team in the same accountants league as them called 'EY International'(well I assume that it is the same team as the name is the same), also played in the London Intermediate cup but lost to Greengate 4-0 in the third round I think it was and from what you said before Greengate are a pretty useful side. That therefore doesn't really tell me anything and I won't be able to get to see them play before we play them as we have games everyweek until the semi. That's why I wanted to know if anyone knew the standard of their league.

That's interesting to know about the Turkish league players getting incentives/paid etc as I had always heard that was the case but never really knew how that worked for a whole sunday side.I myself ( I am not turkish) have played for a turkish side in the past (not in the Kopa or TCFF leagues) and the manager was quite willing to pay the top turkish player to play for us instead of him working on a sunday afternoon, but only pay him as he was rated so highly by them (+ he played in the kent league on a saturday as well).

My current side hasn't entered the LFA competitions over the last few years but did this year and even though we are a premier division side in our league we definitely aren't strong enough for the challenge cup but possibly could enter the intermediate one next season but there appear to be a heck of a lot of decent sides in that, as well as some that shouldn't be in there. What I don't get is why the challenge cup has so few teams in it? Anyway hopefully we can get to the final and put a south London team on the winners list!


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We entered the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup for a couple of seasons when we were in the Premier Division of our League about 8 years ago.
We lost 2-1 to St. Anselms (from the Sportsmans Sunday League) in the First Round at our first attempt and they went on to win the competition ! We were actually 1-0 up with five minutes to go ! I can remember them having a few Carshalton Athletic players playing for them.
The following season we lost 5-1 Away to Dees (from the Mordern Sunday League). They also went on to reach the Final where they lost to Aris. One of their players was Leon Smith, who I think is now playing for Wingate & Finchley. I presume it's the same bloke ? Very fast and direct right-winger/forward.

When we entered the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup, we were told the criteria was that you had to be in the Premier Division of our League and that the pitch had to be a certain size with separate changing rooms for both teams and the Referee...and showers that work !
Our Home ground met that criteria, so we were o.k., but a couple of other teams in our Division (including Trent Park (Arkay) went in the Intermediate Cup instead. I presume they were told to.
The good thing about the Challenge Cup is that Assistant Referees are appointed to every game. We could afford to pay them their fees, but maybe some clubs can't, which is why they enter the Intermediate instead ?



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1) HughesVideo...I watched the Yavruvaratan video and some of their players......don't look very Turkish! On a serious note, Albion Manor beat them on the way to winning the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup a couple of years ago, but had many good things to say about Yavruvaratan's ability and fitness. Yavruvaratan also lost 0-4 in last year's Intermediate Cup final - to Clapton Rangers. Video highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRL7KRE1mKc

Hughesvideo, your Edmonton Rovers do have some bad luck with cup draws....always being drawn against the finalists! Aris, Dees, St Anselm's, Eureka, Yavruvaratan....

2) Darney, yes there are plenty of good teams in south London. Please don't think I don't rate the south London sides. But if you look at LFA finals over the past 5-10 years, you will notice that the finalists tend to emerge from the same leagues over and over (KOPA Cypriot, Turkish, Hackney & Leyton) and the same teams repeatedly get to the final (Aris, Baldon Sports, Clapton Rangers, New Salamis etc). There is also a team called North West Neasden A from the Jewish League who have not reached an LFA final, but have come close.

We probably have lots of great sides in London we don't know about because they don't enter LFA competitions. One club that comes to mind is Lapton who have won 7 (yes SEVEN!) consecutive titles. If teams finishing 20 points behind them can win LFA competitions, imagine what they'd do if they entered....e.g. Clapton Rangers, Albion Manor and Eureka win LFA competitions even though they are not champions of their own league and finish in mid table (in fact Clapton and Albion Manor were not even Premier teams when they won LFA cups!)

3) I played against Deloitte MANY years ago. So my knowledge of them is probably very out of date.

4) As for higher scoring games on Sundays, what I find is that as players get older, they move to the back to prolong their playing careers. I've played against high quality opposition with whippersnapper livewire 21 year olds up front, but with 40 year old former midfielders/strikers coming to the end of their careers at centre half. They still have the touch, vision, anticipation and technique, but little mobility. This is why these teams score a lot of goals, but concede lots too.


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We probably have lots of great sides in London we don't know about because they don't enter LFA competitions. One club that comes to mind is Lapton who have won 7 (yes SEVEN!) consecutive titles.

That's a very good point Steve.
I have noticed Lapton winning the Hackney & Leyton Sunday League year after year. Why don't they enter the LFA Cups ? Seems a strange one to me.

I wonder what the reason is that the London F.A. allow clubs to opt out ? The Herts F.A. (and I think Essex & Middlesex) all insist on mandatory entry into their Sunday Cup competitions as part of the affiliation fee. They also have a strictly adhered-to policy where Premier Division teams go in Sunday Senior Cups, Division One & Two teams go in Sunday Intermediate Cups, and lower Division teams go in the Junior Cup/Trophy competitions. It's a much fairer way of doing it, whereas the London F.A. seem to have a free-for-all with teams from Premier Divisions being allowed to go in the LFA Sunday Junior Cup if they want. I know it's difficult for them to administer because some Leagues only have one or two Divisions, but surely they should know by now who the best Sunday teams in London are and seed them appropriately. If the likes of Aris, Yavruvatan and Greengate were in the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup (where they should be), it would give my team and Enfield Royals a much better chance of getting through to the Final in the Intermediate Cup.

Good point about older players playing at the back in Sunday football. That is most certainly the case in the Premier Division of the (Mercury) Waltham S.L. where they are all comfortable on the ball, well-organised and don't make too many mistakes, but they are vulnerable against pace. One of our defenders, Paul Woolston (ex-Hertford Town, Harlow Town & Sawbridgeworth) is now 39 and plays exactly like that. Not being able to train any more because of work & family commitments doesn't help though.



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Lapton are something of a phenomenon. They gained consecutive promotions every season straight from the Hackney and Leyton League Div 4 into the Prem - winning the title by a mile each season on their way. They have now won the Prem 3 times in a row, and have won 7 consecutive league titles. This season they lost their first game for 2 years! In fact, in the 7 years they've been in existence, they have only lost about 6 games of the 150+ matches they've played.

Lapton don't enter LFA competitions because their players don't like the travel/hassle of getting up at the crack of dawn on Sundays to travel to far flung corners of Middx, Kent etc. Plus lots of their players play for senior clubs on Saturdays. The coach actually told me that he'd retire after winning 5 consecutive titles and turn the club into a fully semi-pro Saturday team. But they've not been able to do that bc so many of their players already have Saturday clubs.

LFA Rules

You are spot on. It would be great if LFA cups were more strictly regulated and e.g. the Challenge Cup was reserved for Prem teams, and Prem teams were barred from the Intermediate Cup. It would be great every season to see Aris, Baldon, New Salamis, Clapton and Lapton slugging it out. Otherwise it is hard to gauge how good teams really are. e.g. Aris looked invincible for years and destroyed everyone - winning LFA Cups 3 years in a row, until Albion Manor suddenly entered the Challenge Cup and beat them in the first round.

I guess club finances are an issue too. If you don't have a sponsor, it is hard to convince 15 guys to travel halfway across London on a cold Sunday morning at their own expense.

Have you thought about entering Edmonton Rovers in the Junior Cup? That way you can avoid the giant trophy machines from KOPA, Hackney and Leyton, Turkish League etc.

Baldon and Clapton
I'm actually thinking of going along to watch the Baldon -v- Clapton Rangers semi-final. It will basically be a semi-pro/Ryman league match for free! Both teams have several semi-pro players on their books:

Baldon

Jason Dolby - Ramsgate (Ryman)
Ryan Dolby - Bromley (Conference)
Callum O'Shea - Cray Wanderers (Ryman Premier) - ex Charlton Athletic

Clapton Rangers
Ashley Forbes Taylor (Ryman League – Cheshunt)
Bradley Drisdale (Ryman League - Ilford)

Courtneay Laidley - Harrow Borough (Ryman Premier)
Ade Cole - Cheshunt (Ryman)

That is not an exhaustive list. Those are just the ones I know about off the top of my head.


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To be fair Darney, I did give praise to Baldon Sports and Kenningwell Utd - BOTH of whom are South London sides!

For those on this forum that are not used to high level Sunday football, I highly recommend watching the Baldon Sports -v- Clapton Rangers semi-final on March 7. Should be a cracker. Several senior/Saturday players on show for both teams, and both teams have been in LFA cup finals for the past 2 years. Baldon are aiming for their 3rd successive LFA Sunday Challenge Cup final, and Clapton won the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup last year and the LFA Sunday Junior Cup the previous year. It is a shame this is not the final because it would be a worthy final.

This is a bit like Man U and Barca playing each other in the Champions League SEMI-final. Would have been great if both Baldon and Clapton got to their 3rd successive final and had an almighty tussle in the final to determine London's undisputed best team.




Forgive me if it's been mentioned and I've missed it but could you confirm the kick off time and venue for the Baldon Sports v Clapton Rangers semi final on March 7th please. I'll try and get along to that, I'm fairly new to the Sunday League scene, having watched some of the youtube footage it looks like good stuffSmile!


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I would like to see the Baldon v Clapton game myself as well because I have never seen either side play but I understand that it will be a top game, unfortunately i have an important game myself that day unless that game is an afternoon kick off I can't attend, does anybody know what time the kick off is? But I re-iterate again that the Charlton United v Tripimeni Aris match this sunday will be equally as high level and probably full of goals as well and it is an 11am kick off for those interested.


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Have you thought about entering Edmonton Rovers in the Junior Cup? That way you can avoid the giant trophy machines from KOPA, Hackney and Leyton, Turkish League etc.

The problem with the LFA Sunday Junior Cup is that a lot of weak sides from the lowest Divisions of inferior Leagues enter and that's when the stereotypical image of Sunday League football actually rings true. If you are a Premier or Division One side, you get easy 10-0 wins which can actually be quite boring to play in, you come up against players with beer guts who want to have a fight, and worst of all, you are up against players who don't know how to tackle properly.
In the (Mercury) Waltham Sunday League, we very rarely have any serious injuries in the top three divisions because the players are virtually all ex-Senior Saturday players who are very good technically and are now playing for fun. It's still hard and competitive, but fair.
In the lowest division of our League though, we get several games abandoned every season because of serious injuries caused by clumsy overweight players with poor technique. Invariably it's because players are not fit enough and sharp enough to get out of the way.

Our players would definitely rather play against teams of a similar standard and have a good clean game, and as a Division One club in the MWL, the LFA Sunday Intermediate is where we should be. The team we played in the First Round of this season's Intermediate Cup, Russellers, are in one of the lower Divisions of the Metropolitan Sunday League, so they should have entered the LFA Sunday Junior Cup instead. They were a good bunch of lads but very unfit and we beat them far too easily. (Highlights are here).



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Sorry to come back with further questions but could you confirm the venue for the Charlton United v Tripimeni Aris tie?

I had been planning to go to the LFAS Intermediate semi final between Eltham Town and Yavruvatan but this game is in serious doubt as the pitch at Starbuck Close is waterlogged.

Possibility of a double header with the FA Sunday Cup quarter final between Hazelhurst and Sungate scheduled for 2pm at Carshalton Athletic.


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Sorry to come back with further questions but could you confirm the venue for the Charlton United v Tripimeni Aris tie?

According to this on Football Mitoo, it's at a place called Meridian Sports in Charlton. 11.00.a.m. kick-off. There is a link to a map of the venue on that fixtures page.

Can't see very many Sunday League games going ahead in the London area this weekend though. Most of the pitches are all flooded at the moment. Frown



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That's correct it is at Meridian Sports and social club in charlton, charlton park lane, SE7 but be careful if we get a down pour tomorrow or saturday as they call all the games off if you even sneeze on the pitch. Which is pretty annoying because at the ground opposite (charlton park) it is never and I mean never called off.

With regards to your side entering the Junior cup (Hughesvideo) I can only relay my own experiences over the years that I do think that you do get decent sides at that level but obviously it is down to the luck of the draw. This season we have played lower league sides that are hammering their own division but we beat them 5-0 going on about 8 or 9 and they seemed to give up fairly easily which was disappointing but in the latter rounds(normally from round 5 onwards) you always end up playing decent sides and indeed there have been sides that have been knocked out this season that I am pretty certain are better than ours. I don't really see that many beer-bellied type teams about these days not in our leagues anyway, but you do get the odd annoying player that runs into you like a lunatic(deliberately) when the ball is not even in your vicinity.With regards to teams entering the Intermediate that clearly aren't good enough I do think that they should be re-directed to the junior cup because there are a lot of sides who actually genuinely believe they are world beaters because they win division 5 of the met league (they don't seem to realise or understand that there are Levels that they are not even aware of) or something when the reality is far removed from that.


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Darney and Isaac..... The Baldon Sports -v- Clapton Rangers game on March 7: the LFA's website lists Baldon as the home team. They play their home games at:

Baldon Sports Club. Eltham Palace Road, Eltham, London, SE9 5LU

LFA rules stipulate 10.30am kick-off.

To be on the safe side, I will also ask Clapton/Baldon to confirm the details.


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Ok thanks for that Steve that means I won't get to see that match then because I have a game that day kicking off at the same time. However the Aris game this sunday is scheduled for an 11am kick off because Charlton want to allow Aris enough time to get there in time for the kick off.


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Darney and Isaac..... The Baldon Sports -v- Clapton Rangers game on March 7: the LFA's website lists Baldon as the home team. They play their home games at:

Baldon Sports Club. Eltham Palace Road, Eltham, London, SE9 5LU

LFA rules stipulate 10.30am kick-off.

To be on the safe side, I will also ask Clapton/Baldon to confirm the details.



Many thanks Steve, I'll try and get along to that one. Hopefully the weather will have improved by then, alas heavy rain is forecast for this coming Sunday so the Intermediate semi finals at Eltham Town and Charlton look somewhat doubtfulUnsure


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BAA Heathrow (Sunday) FC were a team known for having semi pro players play for them between 2001-2008. Most of the players had or were playing in the Ryman league and 2 players had played for the Brentford first team early in there careers.

In 5 seasons between 2001-02 season and 2007-08 season (team did not compete in 2003-04 & 2005-06) the team won 5 league titles (3 prem & 2 div 1) played in 13 cup finals (3 which were county cup finals) and won 10 of those cup finals (2x Middlesex Sunday Intermediate county cup wins) They won there leagues and cups in 3 different leagues, North Hillingdon & district, Hayes & district and the Thames Valley League.

It does happen a lot, i think some of the appeal is they become the star players were as on a saturday its more competitive for them.



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I notice here that Kenningwell lost 3-2 to New Salamis on Sunday.
How did the match go ?

I also see that Clapton Rangers are through.

Edmonton Rovers managed to beat Nacional De Londres 6-5 (AET) in the London F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup.
It was a cracking match and highlights are showing here on You Tube.





There is a report on the Kenningwell v New Salamis match at http://www.kopaleague.com/Pages/Result.aspx just flick through to Dec 13th.

That 6-5 game certainly did look like a cracking game, thanks for the youtube footage and if anybody hasn't seen it its certainly well worth watchingSmile


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Highlights of our latest Waltham Sunday League match are now showing here on You Tube.

We lost 4-2 to Division One leaders East Herts last Sunday and they are a very, very good side. Much better than Nacional De Londres or Yavruvatan in my opinion.
Here are the current League tables.

You will notice that the top team in the Waltham Sunday League Premier Division are Enfield Rangers. They are pretty much our League's answer to Lapton and it would certainly be a very interesting game if they played each other. Here is their squad...which includes several ex-Potters Bar Town & Enfield Town players. Also Jon Stevenson, who currently plays for Hitchin Town.
Enfield Rangers enter the F.A. National Sunday Cup every year and seem to regularly beat the top sides that enter from the London FA (including...if my memory serves me right...Aris (last season) and Brixton United). I have been trying to find an Archive section of F.A. National Sunday Cup results on the F.A. website to see who else they might have played over the last 10 years or so, but I can't find it. Can anyone help ?
Enfield Rangers normally come unstuck once they get to the 3rd or 4th Round and have to travel further away from the London area. It definitely looks as if Sunday League football is stronger up North and in more rural communities judging from the F.A. National Sunday Cup results over the years, so Hazelhurst (from the Mordern Sunday League) and Sungate (from the Essex Sunday Corinthian League) have both done really well to get so far this season.

Enfield Rangers are Middlesex F.A. affiliated and they never seem to do particularly well in the Middlesex Sunday Premier Cup either. They were losing finalists in 2005-2006, but since then, they have invariably been knocked out by Bedfont Sunday from the West Middlesex Sunday League (another very strong League in the London area).

It's a similar story in the Herts F.A. (which most of the top clubs in the Waltham Sunday League are affiliated to). When we play these teams in League matches, they are definitely better than the top teams we play in London F.A. Cup competitions, but they normally only get as far as the Quarter-Final stages in Herts County Cup competitions.
This is almost certainly because both the Herts F.A. and the Middlesex F.A. both make it compulsory to enter their County Cup competitions whereas the London F.A. don't, so their Premier/Senior Sunday Cup competitions are therefore much harder to win.
Having said that, teams from our League always do really well in the Middlesex, Herts & Essex Sunday Intermediate & Junior Cups because we are a very strong League right down to Division Three. I can't remember the last season where we did not have a single team representing the League in a County Cup Final.



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Enfield Rangers

Hughesvideo. You're not wrong about Enfield Rangers! Wow, 4 league titles in a row. I have heard many good things about them even though I've not seen them play. Their reputation preceeds them. Certainly would be a great game between them and Lapton. I'm sure some of their players know each other since they both have players that play(ed) for Enfield/Enfield Town - such as Ade Cole and Maurice Byfield of Lapton.

LFA Sunday Challenge Cup/Aris


The LFA needs to find a consistent way of placing the best teams in the Challenge Cup. e.g. Aris are currently top of the KOPA league, yet what on Earth are they doing in the Intermediate Cup when they've already won the Challenge Cup twice, and the Intermediate Cup twice in the past decade alone?! Their results in the Intermediate Cup this season have been 5-0, 9-2, 8-1 and 9-3. 31 goals scored in 4 games! Surely those results indicate they are in the wrong tournament and are too good for it? Then the team in SECOND place behind them in the KOPA League (New Salamis) are playing in the Challenge Cup! WTF?! Shocked

That's a bit like EPL champs Man U entering the Europa league, while the team in 2nd place goes into the Champions League!

FA National Cup

Yes, the FA Sunday National Cup seems to be dominated by northern teams...especially those from the Liverpool and Lancashire areas. I believe Wayne Rooney's younger brother and Julian Joachim (ex Aston Villa and Leicester City) are playing in this year's cup.

Baldon Sports -v- Clapton Rangers

For those who haven't seen Clapton play. Watch this highlight video of them featuring some brilliant skill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEu1RSPwXgw

Watch for the Ronaldo style stepovers at 1:05 and the tall guy who scored the volley at 1:52 is Michael Filletti (ex Dagenham & Redbridge). Keep an eye out from 3:25-3:40 to see the brilliant backheel/goal combo and a lob from about 45 yards out.

I think Baldon will be favourites for the match against Clapton. The fixture list has not been kind to Clapton Rangers. They play reigning league champions Lapton in a league game this weekend, followed by 2 time LFA Challenge Cup finalists (and reigning LFA Challenge Cup holders) Baldon the next week.

Given how previous games between Lapton and Clapton Rangers have gone (they had 4 explosive matches last season with red cards and x-rated tackles galore), I don't think Clapton will get past Lapton unscathed without some bruises/injuries here and there. Playing Lapton is always an emotionally draining, blood and thunder experience. Plus the two clubs are fierce rivals, with the rivalry sharped when Lapton poached 3 star players from Clapton. When they played each other in a league game last season, several hundred people turned up to watch the game bc both teams had been undefeated for over 18 months and something had to give.

To get an idea of how strong Baldon are, several of their players played for the London and Kent Border League's rep side against the KOPA league and beat them away very comfortably. From the team sheet, half the LKB league team were Baldon players! Baldon basically beat the KOPA league's best rep side! Match reports:

http://www.kopaleague.com/Pages/news.aspx
http://www.lkbfootballleague.co.uk/showNews.php?id=281

Baldon have a lot of guys in their team who know how to put their foot in (they got 4 players sent off in one match earlier this season!). A lot of them are tough, hardnosed "sarf" London lads with a ruthless streak AND who are very good players too. It will be too much to expect Clapton to beat both Lapton and Baldon (both teams are certainly among the best 5 Sunday teams in London). Clapton might even end up losing both games.

I see Baldon -v- New Salamis in the final (for the second time in 3 years).


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That is the first time I've seen a referee wearing a high viz top and gloves (in the East Herts youtube footage), this health & safety stuff really is getting ridiculousSly! I guess this must be a regular problem for East Herts if that is their usual strip.

In last seasons FA Sunday Cup Enfield Rangers beat Greengate, Celtic SC (Luton) and Belstone on pens before going down 5-0 at Stanbridge & Tilsworth who I believe come from the Leighton & District Sunday League.

It is a shame that the London FA don't make it compulsory for clubs to enter county cup competitions, it devalues any competition if certain clubs opt out, remember all the fuss when Man Utd opted out of the FA Cup about ten years ago? I agree that it is quite ridiculous that Aris are allowed to take the easier option of the Intermediate Cup (although that 3-9 win at Greengate was after extra time, it was 3-3 after 90mins) and the comparison of Man Utd winning the Prem and then opting to play in the Europa League rather than the CL is a good one.

Wayne Rooney's brother played and scored in last seasons FA Sunday Cup final at Anfield and I read some where that Julian Joachim had been on the subs bench a few times for Magnet Tavern which must say something about the standard of their other players.

The youtube link to the skillful Clapton Rangers players wouldn't work for me for some reasonUnsure.

I've found this thread really interesting, I've seen a bit of Sunday League stuff here and there in the London area but I knew very little about the teams and leagues etc and I'm a bit better informed nowSmile.

Isn't some sort of FA Sunday League handbook available? If so could anybody enlighten me as to where I might get a copy?


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That is the first time I've seen a referee wearing a high viz top and gloves (in the East Herts youtube footage), this health & safety stuff really is getting ridiculousSly! I guess this must be a regular problem for East Herts if that is their usual strip.


One of our players said he marked the Ref in the build up to their second goal, thereby leaving their No.10 unmarked to play the through ball.
That was why we asked the Ref to put on the high-vis. Wink
It is a League rule that all Refs must wear black and that teams must not wear 'very dark' strips. I think we will have to have a look at that one and allow Refs to wear different coloured tops. Are there similar rules in the Pyramid on Saturdays that Refs must only wear black ?

Regarding a Sunday League handbook, obviously each County F.A. produces a general one each season that covers Sunday League football, but I don't think there is anything totally dedicated to Sunday League.
Back in the mid-90's pre-League website days, a guy called Mark Kettlety used to produce a Sunday League magazine ('Sunday Only') which published Sunday League Tables and other bits of news from all over the country. Very good it was too.



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The Charlton United V Aris game tomorrow is definitely Off if any one knows of any decent games on tomorrow (i.e. London cup, sunday fa cup please say so).


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Wouldn't work for me either. It just went to the You Tube home page. Unimpressed



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The Charlton United V Aris game tomorrow is definitely Off if any one knows of any decent games on tomorrow (i.e. London cup, sunday fa cup please say so).


As far as I know the Hazelhurst v Sungtate FA Sunday Cup tie at Carshalton Athletic is on, at least I've not heard anything to the contary.


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One of our players said he marked the Ref in the build up to their second goal, thereby leaving their No.10 unmarked to play the through ball.
That was why we asked the Ref to put on the high-vis. Wink
It is a League rule that all Refs must wear black and that teams must not wear 'very dark' strips. I think we will have to have a look at that one and allow Refs to wear different coloured tops. Are there similar rules in the Pyramid on Saturdays that Refs must only wear black ?

Regarding a Sunday League handbook, obviously each County F.A. produces a general one each season that covers Sunday League football, but I don't think there is anything totally dedicated to Sunday League.
Back in the mid-90's pre-League website days, a guy called Mark Kettlety used to produce a Sunday League magazine ('Sunday Only') which published Sunday League Tables and other bits of news from all over the country. Very good it was too.



Marking the ref? That would look good on a 'specsavers' advertSlySly!

I'm sure I did read mention on here once of an FA Sunday League handbook, but perhaps I misunderstoodShocked


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEu1RSPwXgw

I've reposted the link to the Clapton Rangers highlight reel above. Please let me know if it works this time. The video should be titled "Clapton Rangers don't stop".

If so, keep an eye out for stepovers galore at 1:05 two great goals from 3:25-3:45.


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Just a quick aside if you don't mind fellows?

Where on the web can I find comprehensive league tables, etc. for all these LFA leagues?



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http://www.kopaleague.com/Pages/Home.aspx

http://www.hackneyandleytonfootballleague.co.uk/

http://www.mercurywalthamleague.co.uk/


http://www.tcff.org.uk/index.htm

http://www.baldonsportsfc.co.uk/ (Baldon Sports website - LFA Sunday Challenge Cup holders)

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/...c/30294/the_squad.pl (Clapton Rangers website - LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup holders)

For those interested, later on I will write a little"preview"/match report of the Baldon Sports -v- Clapton Rangers match on this forum.


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Cheers for that info. steve.



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There's loads more listed here:
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It is a League rule that all Refs must wear black and that teams must not wear 'very dark' strips. I think we will have to have a look at that one and allow Refs to wear different coloured tops. Are there similar rules in the Pyramid on Saturdays that Refs must only wear black ?
Referee's have to wear black, except on the football league, as per the FA rules and regulations. The referee's who wear coloured shirts on a Sunday should not be, and if found out could be suspended


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The fixture list has not been kind to Clapton Rangers. They play reigning league champions Lapton in a league game this weekend, followed by 2 time LFA Challenge Cup finalists (and reigning LFA Challenge Cup holders) Baldon the next week.

Playing Lapton is always an emotionally draining, blood and thunder experience. It will be too much to expect Clapton to beat both Lapton and Baldon (both teams are certainly among the best 5 Sunday teams in London).

Clapton might even end up losing both games.


Gosh, I'm getting too good at this pundit/predicting stuff! Cool
...Clapton Rangers lost 0-2 today to league leaders Lapton.

Not the best result to get just before facing Baldon Sports away in the semi-final next weekend.


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The Charlton United V Aris semi has been re-arranged for sunday 7th March (i.e. this week) at Meridian again only this time for a 12.30pm kick off as one of the Junior cup semi's Woolwich 90 V Tristars and Deloittee is on beforehand with a 10am kick off both on the main pitch.


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The fixture list has not been kind to Clapton Rangers. They play reigning league champions Lapton in a league game this weekend, followed by 2 time LFA Challenge Cup finalists (and reigning LFA Challenge Cup holders) Baldon the next week.

Playing Lapton is always an emotionally draining, blood and thunder experience. It will be too much to expect Clapton to beat both Lapton and Baldon (both teams are certainly among the best 5 Sunday teams in London).

Clapton might even end up losing both games.


Gosh, I'm getting too good at this pundit/predicting stuff! Cool
...Clapton Rangers lost 0-2 today to league leaders Lapton.

Not the best result to get just before facing Baldon Sports away in the semi-final next weekend.



I'm suprised that the game went ahead after the deluge of rain we had, the FA Sunday Cup tie between Hazelhurst and Sungate was postponed and I believe it is scheduled for 2pm next Sunday. Of course sods law its like a summers day this morning, if only we could have had this weather yesterday and kept the rain for todayUnsure!

Some very impressive stuff from Clapton Rangers on that youtube footage, hopefully see some of that next Sunday, weather permitting of course!

Look forward to reading the preview of the matchSly


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The Baldon v Clapton match is on the 14th of March not this coming sunday.


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The Baldon v Clapton match is on the 14th of March not this coming sunday.




No offence intended but are you sure about that? A lot of what appears on the FA website is wrong.


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None taken and yes I am 100% sure that the aforementioned game is scheduled for sunday 14th March.


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Enfield Rangers enter the F.A. National Sunday Cup every year and seem to regularly beat the top sides that enter from the London FA (including...if my memory serves me right...Aris (last season) and Brixton United). I have been trying to find an Archive section of F.A. National Sunday Cup results on the F.A. website to see who else they might have played over the last 10 years or so, but I can't find it. Can anyone help ?



Hi

Enfield Rangers made their FA Sunday Cup debut in 2005/06. Their results to date are:

2005/06
1st Round - Red Star ICL 0 Enfield Rangers 3
2nd Round - Mackadown Lane S&S 2 Enfield Rangers 2 (Mackadown won 6-5 on penalties)

2006/07
1st Round - Aris 1 Enfield Rangers 3
2nd Round - AFC Hornets 0 Enfield Rangers 1
3rd Round - Quested 6 Enfield Rangers 2

2007/08
1st Round - Enfield Rangers 4 Cube 0
2nd Round - Liscombe Park Pipers 3 Enfield Rangers 2

2008/09
1st Round - Enfield Rangers 3 Greengate 1
2nd Round - Enfield Rangers 3 Celtic SC (Luton) 1
3rd Round - Enfield Rangers 2 Belstone 2 (Enfield won 7-6 on penalties)
4th Round - Stanbridge & Tilsworth 5 Enfield Rangers 0

2009/10
1st Round - Greengate 0 Enfield Rangers 2
2nd Round - Enfield Rangers 1 Stanbridge & Tilsworth 6

How Enfield's hearts will sink if they draw Stanbridge & Tilsworth again next season !!

As for an FA Sunday Cup results archive, I wish !!!!!

It would certainly make my job easier, as I am researching the competition with the aim of eventually producing a book on it, although this will take some time to materialise, as I am not a full time author and have 3 kids under 4 years old, so my free time is at a premium.

I've approached the FA and they have no plans to create an archive.


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I've approached the FA and they have no plans to create an archive.


But if you create one they'll probably be happy to take it off you. Isn't that how they got their FA Cup archive online?

Good luck with the project.


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You are probably right Wink However, if they want an archive for the Sunday Cup, they will have to part with the full RRP !!

I have to say that I've found the FA's 'contact centre' staff to be most unhelpful. They have little knowledge of competitions like the Sunday Cup and its obvious from their tone and eagerness to 'terminate' the call that they do not appreciate enquires on such 'minor' competitions.

However, the Competitions helpline staff are more helpful and it is they who send out the FA Sunday Cup handbook, which I believe someone asked about earlier on in this thread.


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Back in the mid-90's pre-League website days, a guy called Mark Kettlety used to produce a Sunday League magazine ('Sunday Only') which published Sunday League Tables and other bits of news from all over the country. Very good it was too.


I'm working in collaboration with Mark to produce a book on the history of the FA Sunday Cup.

He loves the competition and the FA regard him as an expert and they ask him to choose the 'performance of the round'.

Mark told me that he stopped Sunday Only a few years back, when an awful lot of the information he published became readily available on-line.


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Back in the mid-90's pre-League website days, a guy called Mark Kettlety used to produce a Sunday League magazine ('Sunday Only') which published Sunday League Tables and other bits of news from all over the country. Very good it was too.


I'm working in collaboration with Mark to produce a book on the history of the FA Sunday Cup.

He loves the competition and the FA regard him as an expert and they ask him to choose the 'performance of the round'.

Mark told me that he stopped Sunday Only a few years back, when an awful lot of the information he published became readily available on-line.

Any chance you can have that FA Sunday Cup book done by this time next month in time for my birthday?Wink I saw last years final at Anfield, cracking game and I hope to get along to this years final which I gather is again at Anfield.


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Back in the mid-90's pre-League website days, a guy called Mark Kettlety used to produce a Sunday League magazine ('Sunday Only') which published Sunday League Tables and other bits of news from all over the country. Very good it was too.


I'm working in collaboration with Mark to produce a book on the history of the FA Sunday Cup.

He loves the competition and the FA regard him as an expert and they ask him to choose the 'performance of the round'.

Mark told me that he stopped Sunday Only a few years back, when an awful lot of the information he published became readily available on-line.

Any chance you can have that FA Sunday Cup book done by this time next month in time for my birthday?Wink I saw last years final at Anfield, cracking game and I hope to get along to this years final which I gather is again at Anfield.

I'll put my name down for one of these books, just a shame this competition and indeed Sunday League in general gets so little publicity although from some of the links on here I see there are some very good websites. If anybody is interested the highlights of last years final can be seen on the FA site, it certainly did look a cracking game. I'm just hoping the weather stays good for Sundays quarter final between Hazelhurst and SungateCool


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Any chance you can have that FA Sunday Cup book done by this time next month in time for my birthday?Wink I saw last years final at Anfield, cracking game and I hope to get along to this years final which I gather is again at Anfield.

If the Internet had been around since the early 1960's, it would have already been published!!!

I've got stacks of info covering the last 10 years or so but the main problem is the early days in the 1960's & 1970's, when in order to publish the book I want, I will probably have to travel around the country visiting libraries and spending a significant amount of time trawling through old newspapers, looking for match details.

To be honest, we could probably produce a book to cover just the results and a match report on the final very shortly. There is nothing wrong in that and it would hopefully be well received. However, such a book would only partly satisfy me as a reader, as I would want a lot more detail than that.

The great thing about the Sunday Cup is the rich and varied stories that crop up from time to time. Some are controversial, such as the anti-semitism row that I started a thread on a few weeks back. Quite a few teams have been 'removed' from the competition for various misdemeanours. However, I wouldn't dwell on the negative side, as there are a lot of funny stories to crop up as well.

Just this season, a game had to be replayed because the Berks & Bucks FA appointed under age officials!!!!!

Its this sort of detail that I want to include in the book, as well as the results and the match reports on the final. However, as I have 3 young kiddies, don't expect to read it any time soon Unsure


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A team from the Waltham Sunday League, the now-defunct Enfield-based Arras, actually won the F.A. National Sunday Cup back in 1977-78.
I wonder how many other teams from the London area have managed that feat ? Not too many I would imagine ?

I was only 19 at the time and had only just started my involvement in men's Sunday football...and that was in the Edmonton Sunday League, not the Waltham Sunday League (or the Brooke Waltham Sunday League as it was known back in those days). I therefore don't know who was running Arras back then or who played for them, but they only folded 9 years ago, so there will be people in the current Waltham Sunday League setup who will be able to put any prospective book authors in touch with some ex-Arras players or officials.



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A team from the Waltham Sunday League, the now-defunct Enfield-based Arras, actually won the F.A. National Sunday Cup back in 1977-78. I wonder how many other teams from the London area have managed that feat ? Not too many I would imagine ?

Quite a few, especially during the competition's early years. The first winners were the London FA, who chose Summerstown Athletic to represent them. They beat Staffordshire in the final in 1965 and this set the tone for London v West Midlands finals, as teams from these regions met each other in 5 of the first 10 finals.

In fact, London (specifically Dagenham) provided 8 finalists from 1965 to 1974. Carlton United were particularly successful, winning it in 1967 & 1973 (they were also runners up in 1979).

The last London team to lift the trophy were Ranelagh Sports back in 1994.


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Just found out about this forum and decided to join in. I believe these things go in waves and a Sunday league that's good and 'in-vogue' for a few years tends to drop down and a new leading leagues emerge.
I represent the Essex Sunday Corinthian Football League and I feel we are currently in a slump, but in the past we've had some top sides. For the record I've also noted that Greengate are cited on this forum as our league's best team. I beg to differ! I feel there are three other teams that are on par or even better, although Greengate might contest that! They are Sungate, Royal Falcons and EMWA.
In previous seasons our league has supplied many Essex county cup finalists and our record year was 98/99, when the Essex Intermediate Cup (now the Essex Premier Cup) saw five teams from our league in the last eight. It was then three from the final four and both teams in the final. Incidentally, the one team from outside our league in the semi-final joined our league the next season!
We again provided both finalists in 2003/04, with Memorial Sports winning the cup. That season they also done a clean sweep within our league and were the losing finalists in the London Challenge Cup.
Currently Royal Falcons are the Essex Junior Cup holders and Sungate are to face Hazelmere (eventually!) in the Carlsberg FA Sunday Cup last eight.
Having said all that we are in an area of east London/west Essex where seven or so leagues are all in operation and I feel that the Essex Sunday Football Combination are possibly a stronger league than ours at this time, although we possibly have the better teams in our top division - but that is of course a matter of opinion!



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Yorks Amateur, thanks for supplying those references. Interesting that a London team has not won the FA National Sunday Cup for 16 years! I have heard of that Ranelagh Sports team. Apparently they were made up of a group of Dulwich Hamlet players. I also noticed they won the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup the same year they won the National Cup (they actually won the Challenge Cup twice in a row) AND they won the Surrey FA's senior Challenge Cup the same season.

They must have been one heck of a team to win the National, Surrey FA AND LFA Cups in the same season given how much travelling and quality opposition that entailed. Does anyone know what league they played in/what became of them?


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Yorks Amateur, thanks for supplying those references. Interesting that a London team has not won the FA National Sunday Cup for 16 years! I have heard of that Ranelagh Sports team. Apparently they were made up of a group of Dulwich Hamlet players. I also noticed they won the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup the same year they won the National Cup (they actually won the Challenge Cup twice in a row) AND they won the Surrey FA's senior Challenge Cup the same season.

They must have been one heck of a team to win the National, Surrey FA AND LFA Cups in the same season given how much travelling and quality opposition that entailed. Does anyone know what league they played in/what became of them?

According to the 1994 FA Sunday Cup final programme, Ranelagh Sports were formed in 1964 and played the vast majority of their football in the Morden & District league. They were the first team from that league to lift the London Senior Sunday Cup in 1987. They won it again in 1993.

However, at the time of the final, they had recently moved to the Sunday Sportsman's league and had lifted the Premier Division title at the first attempt.

Midfielder Wayne Kerrins made 66 football league appearances for Fulham in the 1980's, scoring one goal.

Well travelled striker Wade Falana was a former Chelsea, Millwall and Sheffield United player. He also played for a number of senior non-league sides, including: Tooting & Mitcham, Ilford & Dulwich Hamlet.

In fact, most of their squad seemed to have played to quite a high standard of football on a Saturday, so its no surprise that they were so successful.

I'm not sure what became of them. I'd need to check further results to find out when they stopped competing in the FA Sunday Cup.


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Just watched the Aris v Charlton United match very good game which Aris won 4-3 after extra time, they took the lead 3 times being pegged back each time before winning near the end with a penalty. It was a lot closer than I anticipated and Charlton United can count themselves very unlucky on the day and I wasn't that far off with my prediction of 5-3 to Aris! Does anyone know how any of the other semi's panned out?


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I saw Hazelhurst beat Sungate 4-1 in the quarter final of the FA Sunday Cup, I'll post further details on the 'where did you go' section later.
The programme gives scores of all the finals back to
1965, I think somebody was asking for such details.


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According to this, Eltham Town beat Yavruvatan 5-4 on penalties (1-1 A.E.T.) in the other LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup Semi-Final played today (7th March).

...so we weren't knocked out by the eventual winners this time then. Makes a change !



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Ok, as promised, here is my preview of the Baldon Sports –v- Clapton Rangers London FA Sunday Challenge Cup semi-final on Sunday March 14. This is the game I’ve been recommending to groundhoppers on this forum for a while.

This game should be a cracker. It should be an open attacking game with goals. Both players have much attacking talent and score a lot of goals. Several senior/Saturday players from the Ryman league and Conference will be on show for both teams.

Both teams have been in LFA cup finals for the past 2 years. Baldon are aiming for their 3rd successive LFA Sunday Challenge Cup final, and Clapton won the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup last year and the LFA Sunday Junior Cup the previous year. It is a shame this is not the final because it would be a worthy final. This is a bit like Man U and Barca playing each other in the Champions League SEMI-final. It would have been great if both Baldon and Clapton got to their 3rd successive final and had an almighty tussle in the final to determine London's undisputed best team.

Baldon Sports v Clapton Rangers: Challenge Cup Champions -v- Intermediate Cup Champions

BALDON SPORTS (London and Kent Border Football League)

http://www.baldonsportsfc.co.uk/

Baldon are the current holders of the Challenge Cup, and have been in the last 2 Challenge Cup finals. They are aiming for their 3rd consecutive Challenge Cup final and become the first team to reach 3 consecutive finals since the 279 Sports team of the 1970s/1980s got to 8 finals in 11 finals. Baldon won the cup last year after beating Vista 3-0 in the final, and narrowly lost the 2008 final to New Salamis 3-4.

Baldon are a family club…literally! The team is dominated by the Dolby family. The chairman Graham Dolby played for the club as far back as 1975, and 5 of his sons are in the team: Jason, Dean, Ryan, Adam (the captain) and Marc Dolby (there is also a 6th Dolby family member in the team). Their grandfather George Dolby is also a former manager of the team.

Baldon are a very strong team. Their team supplied 17 of 21 players in the London and Kent Border League's rep side against the KOPA league and beat them away very comfortably. Baldon basically beat the KOPA league's best rep side! Match reports:

http://www.kopaleague.com/Pages/news.aspx
http://www.lkbfootballleague.co.uk/showNews.php?id=281

Baldon also have a lot of quality players playing senior Saturday football at a very high level. Two of their players played in the first round proper of this year’s FA Cup (yeah the same FA Cup that Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U play in!) They are a very aggressive and physical side who back up their good football with a lot of steel.
You can see an interview with their dynamic midfielder Luke I’Anson here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpU4Q9hQUlw
I'Anson is the third Bromley goalscorer in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feuh468YF7c

Key Players

Ryan Dolby - Bromley (Conference South) - defender
Luke I'Anson – Bromley (Conference South) - midfield
Jason Dolby - Ramsgate (Isthmian Premier)
Callum O'Shea – VCD Athletic (Isthmian League Division One North) - ex Charlton Athletic and former Eire U15/U16 international – right winger


Road to the Final

Round 2: Baldon Sports 5 v 4 Hatcham
Round 3: AEP Paphos Tsada 2 v 6 Baldon Sports
Round 4: Baldon Sports 2 v 0 Akincilar

Current form

Baldon are sitting top of the LKB league with a perfect 100% record of 8 wins from 8 games. 40 goals scored and 9 conceded.

CLAPTON RANGERS (Hackney and Leyton League)

http://www.hackneyandleytonfootballleague.co.uk/

If Baldon are a family team, then Clapton are a community club. The club existed back in the 1970s then folded. The current chairman Marc Whyte (himself a former player for the team) resurrected the team 4 years ago on the Clapton Park estate in Hackney, east London, after tenants sought a solution to gang crime. The football team focused on players aged 9-25 and engaged a lot of the teenagers on the estate, and the team has become a cause célèbre for the local kids. The team's players are regarded as role models by the young kids on the estate.

They are a very young team with most of the players in their teens and early 20s. That said, their youth allows them to play with great tempo and they are a very fit team. Clapton Rangers are aiming for even MORE history. They are the holders of the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup after beating Yavruvataran 4-0 in the final in 2009. They won that cup after winning the LFA Sunday Junior Cup in 2008. They became the first side in history to win the LFA Junior and Sunday Intermediate Cups in successive seasons. If they win the Challenge Cup this year, that will be unprecedented as they will become the first team ever to win all three LFA competitions in successive seasons.

Key Players

Like Baldon, Clapton also have several semi-pro players on their books. These include:

Bradley Drisdale - Ilford (Ryman Div 1) – (Shaun Wright-Phillips style winger)
Ashley Taylor Forbes - Bishops Stortford (Conference South) - midfield
Courtneay Laidley - Harrow Borough (Ryman Premier) - winger
Ade Cole - Redbridge (Ryman Div 1 North) – midfield/forward
Abaraham Adejokun – Ilford (Ryman Div 1)
Ben Gracey - Waltham Forest (Ryman Div 1 North) - defender

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEu1RSPwXgw

Route to the Final

Round 2: Clapton Rangers 5 v 2 Flamingoes
Round 3: Panthea 1 v 3 Clapton Rangers
Round 4: Caribb Club 1 v 2 Clapton Rangers

Current Form

The irony is that Clapton are LFA cup specialists, but have never been champions of their own league. They are currently only in 5th position in their league’s Premier Div. That said, they have NEVER lost a London cup match.

Predictions

I've been quite good at predicting this tournament so far, and as I already predicted, New Salamis are in the final after beating Brixton Utd 3-2.

Although both teams score lots of goals, Baldon have a meaner defence and don't concede many either. Plus they have two Conference defenders at the back. Clapton have been having a rough patch lately. They lost 0-2 to the league leaders last week and their game yesterday was abandoned. Not the sort of form you want to take going into a match against perhaps the best team in London.

I think Baldon will be favourites. Clapton have lost some of the key players that helped them to success over the past few seasons. Their prolific front pair of James Smith and Nathan Scarborough (league top scorers in the last 2 seasons) and their inspirational captain Michael Filletti have left the club. Scarborough scored 64 goals in 27 starts…including an amazing record of scoring in every single game that Clapton played in the 07/08 season.

With those players gone, I believe Baldon have a bit of extra quality and their aggression and experience will give them the edge. I predict 3-1 to Baldon, and Baldon to meet New Salamis in the final for the second time in 3 years.


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Thanks for that Steve, interesting stuff!

This game kicks off at 10.15am if anybody intends going along!


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What happened with this game?


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Just as Steve predicted, 3-1 to Baldon although that looked unlikely for much of the game, especially when they had 2 players sent off!

I'll add more detail on where did you go section later.


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I'm getting so good at this punditry stuff that I might take up a second job as a fortune teller! ;-)

I hate to say I told you so, but......I told you so! 3-1 to Baldon Sports as I predicted
, although the game didn't go the way anyone expected, and Clapton Rangers will feel very hard done by for not getting something out of this game. They have only themselves to blame though for not taking their chances and somehow managing to lose a game they were winning and looked so comfortable in.

A lot of senior players from the Conference/Isthmian League were on display. I saw one or two Waltham Forest FC tracksuit tops.

FIRST HALF

I missed the first 20 minutes or so, but when I arrived it was a pretty even and tight contest. I felt Baldon finished stronger in the latter part of the first half. Baldon's centre backs Luke I'Anson (Bromley) and Mark Hughes looked rocked solid - winning the ball in the air, and sweeping up anything on the ground. No nonsense stuff from them.

GRAFT -V- CRAFT

The two teams are polar opposites. The home team Baldon are a physical, hard tackling and direct team who know how to get (and leave!) their foot in. Clapton are a very elaborate slick passing team who play the ball on the floor and weave intricate moves around the park. Clapton weave 5 yard triangles and Baldon like to play long 60 yard high balls. Baldon are hard and physical, Clapton are techinically gifted. Everyone in their team is comfortable on the ball (even their centre halves). Think physical and direct Stoke (Baldon) versus over elaborate passing (Arsenal).

But Clapton have a physical/aerial advantage. Baldon have a lot of tall and strong players. I could identify only ONE Clapton player over 6 feet tall (Joe Seabrook). This physical dichotomy would become crucial later on....

0-0 at half time


SECOND HALF

The game is littered with a lot of strong challenges in the middle of the park, but Clapton get a lifeline when the ref gives them a penalty after a handball by a Baldon player following a corner. Ashley Forbes-Taylor dispatches the penalty and sends the keeper the wrong way (left) as the ball hits the right hand side of the goal. The goal left Baldon shell-shocked and Clapton got very comfortable and weaved a lot of silky moves around the park. Their twinkle toed midfielders Ade Cole, Brian Okwera and Sid Egan played some beautiful football.

They had 3 glorious chances to put the game to bed but failed to take any of them. 5 minutes after he opened the scoring, Forbes-Taylor missed a wonderful chance. A slick move and cross down the left by Clapton found him on the edge of the 6 yard box, but he headed over the bar. He should have buried it. A few minutes later Clapton's playmaker Ade Cole (Cheshunt) fizzed a half volley just wide of the post. Then Clapton's Joe Seabrook broke behind the Baldon defence, but as the Baldon GK closed him down, his attempted lob sailed over the bar. Good job by the Baldon GK to get out so quickly. Clapton's Shaun Wright-Phillips clone winger, Bradley Drisdale (Ilford) got into the game and was making mazy runs at Baldon's left back George Dolby. Baldon looked in trouble and their left winger Callum O'Shea got booked for kicking the ball away repeatedly, and was complaining all the time about being given high long balls to chase. He even at one stage got so frustrated that he said he wanted to be subbed off.

Clapton looked in control, but would pay dearly for not converting those chances. Baldon's Luke I'Anson was immense. He was quality and seemed to single handedly drag his team back into the game. Although he started the game at the back, he was all over the pitch, tackling, intercepting, reading the game, spraying passes around, taking free kicks and bombing up the park for Rory Delap style long throws. They were relying on him for evertything.

Then both coaches made tactical mistakes in my opinion. Baldon moved their superman I'Anson from defence to attack. I thought that was a bad move by them because it robbed them of his vision and physical presence through the spine of their team. Then a mix up and failed clearance by Clapton leads to another handball and another penalty. Jason Dolby (one of several Dolby brothers in the Baldon team) thumps the ball to the GK's right. The GK went the right way but it was an excellent penalty and he had no chance. Baldon back in the game and they get their confidence back.

FULL TIME - 1-1

EXTRA TIME

INDISCIPLINE AND DISSENT

I have to say for such a successful team, Baldon's discipline and dissent towards the ref and linesmen was absolutely atrocious. They continually contest every decision, hound and surround the ref and their language toward the officials was so loud and abusive that it could be heard by spectators 60 yards away. Jason Dolby got booked for his protests against the Clapton penalty, and I saw their number 7 chase the ref 30 yards just so he could scream "what the f*ck was that?" at the ref. Their number 4 got a red card after an absolutely brutal challenge on poor Ade Cole who was in full flight haring down the right. I was 50-60 yards away and I heard the impact of the kick on Cole. That was the second bad knock that poor Cole took. He also took a bad knock on the head in the first half too. After this second bad tackle, he was never the same again. The brutal challenge really upset the Clapton players and it nearly kicked off as about 15 players from both sides squared up to each other. Luckily calm was restored before fists were thrown. They even verbally abuse EACH OTHER. A Baldon player called his GK "you silly c*nt" after the GK offered him suggestions about who he should be marking.

There was no NEED for Baldon to play this way. They had plenty of good players on the park. Jason Dolby (Ramsgate) is an excellent player, but he'd be an even better player if he just calmed down with the backchat to the ref. He was lucky to stay on the pitch after he squared up to a Clapton player. He should have observed the example of Luke I'Anson who just let his football do the talking and never got involved in the aggro.

Clapton re-establish control. Baldon had another player sent off a few minutes later. Ryan Dolby (Bromley) is sent off for four letter abuse at the match officials. As if the abuse could not get worse, another Baldon player walked over to the linesman (who alerted the ref about the abusive language) and point blank tells him to his face "oi lino, you wanna watch yourself. You'd better be careful you little c*nt". Threatening the linesman should have = another red card. Ryan Dolby's abusive language was so bad that the captain and his older brother Adam Dolby called him a "cocky" as he left the pitch.

With Baldon down to 9 men, Clapton also made a tactical mistake. Their coach DeCarlo Franklin subbed off Joe Seabrook (their only player with aerial offensive threat) and brought on Abraham Adejokun (Ilford). That was a mistake. Baldon played NO ONE up front and were simply trying to hang on for penalties. Clapton should have just got the ball and started firing it into the Baldon box for someone to get on the end of. But with Seabrook off the pitch, they had no one who could attack it in the air and kept trying to literally pass the ball into the net...too much elaboration. Their captain from last season Michael Filletti (Waltham Forest) was on the touchline watching the game. How they could have done with him on the pitch.

Clapton needed to fire crosses in but just kept playing pretty passes without hurting Baldon (think Arsenal again). Although they played nice passes, they did not create a clear cut chance. Their coach got angry with them and screamed "it needs to go forward" after one intricate pass too many. Their second mistake...even though Baldon had no one up front, Clapton kept 4 men in defence! They only went to 3 at the back in the second period of extra time.

REARGUARD ACTION - GIVE NO QUARTER


Baldon just defended doggedly, blocked, tackled, fought for every inch. I've never seen a team defend and play so well with 9 men. They are clearly used to playing with player deficits because they get so many red cards. In another cup game earlier this season, they had FOUR men sent off....and 3 of those were the Dolby brothers! (Adam, Ryan and Jason) Baldon adopted a strange tactic. With no one up front, they kept lumping high long balls to Callum O'Shea on the left wing. When they got free kicks or throw ins, they simply kicked them out of play on the left wing too. I guess they figured Clapton could not score if the ball was off the park. Clapton continued to dominate possession but their refusal to stop passing the ball endlessly, cost them.

A rare break upfield got Baldon a throw in. I'Anson launched one of his long throw ins into the box from the right wing, and captain Adam Dolby headed the ball home with less than 5 minutes left. The entire Baldon team and fans went nuts, a huge roar and they all celebrated in the far corner of the ground with their coach and fans. Clapton shell shocked.

2 minutes later, with Clapton in a good attacking position, a bad pass by their left back Johnny Offei was intercepted by Baldon's captain Adam Dolby. Baldon break with Luke I'Anson, with no support, he took on 3 Clapton players, twisted and turned, then fired home another to make it 3-1 to Baldon.

OVERALL

Man of the Match: Luke I'Anson:
Baldon would have been dead and buried without him. He's a Conference player after all, and his class shone through. Don't know how he did that much running and played so well after playing Conference matches on Saturdays.

It was a great game and I'm glad I watched it. Had everything: penalties, red cards, brutal tackling and two very good teams served up a great game. An excellent cup tie and great determination by both teams. Just a shame that one of them HAD to lose. This would have been a worthy final. But I don't feel the best team won. Clapton played the more attractive football. Baldon are a hard working attritional side who grind their opponents down. Clapton like to win with pretty football. I felt the chances they missed when 1-0 up cost them, and their failure to capitalise and punish Baldon when they only had 9 men was bizzarre. But fair play to Baldon. They are a resolute and determined team. They won the game via their superior willpower. It will take a good team to beat them. They face New Salamis in the final - AGAIN. A repeat of the 2008 final.

LFA Sunday Challenge Cup, Semi Final: Baldon Sports 3 (Jason Dolby (pen), Adam Dolby, Luke I'Anson) -v- Clapton Rangers 1 (Ashley Forbes-Taylor (pen))


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Yes, great gameSmile.

I posted a report on the where did you go section.


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Yes, great gameSmile.

I posted a report on the where did you go section.


Baldon Sports booked me to video the match, so I was there.
Isaac's report is pretty accurate from what I could tell through the viewfinder. Smile

Michael Deane of New Salamis...and Welling United (Conference South on Saturdays ?) was my Man Of The Match.
He is also registered for Cheshunt Corinthians this season, and we are playing them this coming Sunday in a Double-Header. (Waltham Sunday League Division One). Let's hope New Salamis have got a game this Sunday ! Sly



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Is the video/dvd on general sale?


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Not yet.

I am waiting to see if New Salamis want to share the costs with Baldon before I edit the match. Both teams then get 6 DVD's each if they do, then I can put copies on general sale once that is sorted. Probably talking about June/July here.
Something I am looking at offering teams now is editing some highlights for You Tube for a small fee, as long as it doesn't affect sales of the DVD's. I already do this for Grays Athletic.

Nice to be able to film a Sunday League Cup Final from an excellent unobstructed vantage point under cover at the back of a big main stand for a change. Dulwich Hamlet's ground is excellent for filming matches and has always been one of my favourites.
I had an interesting chat with one or two LFA officials before the kick-off regarding their seeding policy (or lack of it) for the LFA Sunday Cup competitions, and particularly regarding the venues they use for their Sunday Cup Finals.
How can they use excellent grounds such as Dulwich Hamlet and Tooting & Mitcham, and then put the Sunday Intermediate Cup Final on at Redbridge/Barkingside, which has to have the worst main stand I have ever seen in 20-odd years of filming Non-League football...and the playing surface is atrocious too !?



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It was certainly a game I could happily watch again on dvd.

Some interesting questions that you were able to ask and the lack of seeding does seem bizzare to say the least, for example whilst New Salamis won the Challenge Cup we had Tripimeni Aris from the same league in the final of the Intermediate Cup. It would be like Premiership clubs being allowed to decide whether to enter the CL or take the potentially easier option of the EL and I thought Redbridge was a strange venue for the Int Cup final.


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The LFA official I spoke to admitted that Redbridge/Barkingside 'wasn't the best of grounds', but then he said 'for Sunday League players it is like playing at Wembley' ! Shocked Obviously he didn't realise that the teams who invariably reach LFA Sunday Challenge & Intermediate Cup Finals year after year are full of current or former Step 2-4 players who have played there frequently in League matches for their Saturday clubs.
If we had got through to the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup Final this year, we would have been well annoyed having to play at such a poor venue.



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The lack of seeding is utterly bizarre. How can the Champions of the KOPA League (Aris) be in the Intermediate cup while a team below them in the same Div are playing in the Challenge Cup?

Also, the lack of the seedings means that the big guns often face each other in round 1. I recall a few years ago Albion Manor (Intermediate cup holders) played Aris (Challenge Cup holders) in round 1! Insane that the two cup holders played each other in the first round and one of them (Aris) had to be eliminated. That would be like Barca playing another big team like Inter Milian in the qualifying round of the Champions League!


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The lack of seeding is utterly bizarre. How can the Champions of the KOPA League (Aris) be in the Intermediate cup while a team below them in the same Div are playing in the Challenge Cup?

Also, the lack of the seedings means that the big guns often face each other in round 1. I recall a few years ago Albion Manor (Intermediate cup holders) played Aris (Challenge Cup holders) in round 1! Insane that the two cup holders played each other in the first round and one of them (Aris) had to be eliminated. That would be like Barca playing another big team like Inter Milian in the qualifying round of the Champions League!



Exactly and surely the London FA should make entry compulsory, as it is in many other counties, because any competition is devalued somewhat by clubs opting out. And surely all the top clubs should go into the Challenge Cup?

As for seeding the draw itself I suppose their are arguments both for and against that, for instance Chelsea could well get drawn against Man Utd in the third round of the FA Cup.


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I would be definitely be interested in purchasing a copy of that Senior Cup final on DVD if and when it becomes available so please let me know, also are you planning to record this years London Junior cup final or not Hughesie?


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I would be definitely be interested in purchasing a copy of that Senior Cup final on DVD if and when it becomes available so please let me know, also are you planning to record this years London Junior cup final or not Hughesie?


Can't film the Junior Cup Final if it's this coming Sunday (18th April) as Edmonton Rovers (my own team) are playing a Double-Header against Cheshunt Corinthians. Here's the details of that one in case anyone is interested in coming along to watch. Cool
Playing for Cheshunt Corinthians will be a certain Billy Wingrove, so if anyone thinks Sunday League football is a load of fat blokes kicking the cr*p out of each other, think again ! Sly

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Ok, yes it is this sunday and unfortunately my side has a crucial relegation match that I intend to be playing in so I cannot attend either I just wanted to see how the match went. However, good luck in your double-header as having watched the highlights from your cup game against Cheshunt Corinthians i'm sure you'd be looking to do something a lot better this time out. They like a very useful side indeed. Would be interesting to see how they would fair against the likes or Aris, Eltham Town, Charlton United and New Salamis. Just about New Salamis I see that they convincing beat Baldon Sports (again) in the Challenge cup final so surely they have to be considered the best sunday side around at present despite being second in their own league, they certainly seem to be consistent year after year, anyone disagree/agree? Concerning the final I would stil llike to get a copy of that DVD when you have done all the editing and post production so please let me know when it is ready.


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I should have that New Salamis v. Baldon Sports DVD done in about 3-4 weeks time. Very busy filming matches at the moment.

Regarding Cheshunt Corinthians, they beat Enfield Royals 5-0 in their last match and that is some result !
Enfield Royals 'only' lost 5-3 to Charlton United in this season's LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup, and Charlton United only lost 4-3 to Aris in the Semi-Final, so judging by that, I would say Cheshunt Corinthians are more than capable of beating any of the top LFA Sunday sides.
They surprisingly lost 3-0 to Mill End Sports in the Semi-Finals of the Herts Sunday Intermediate Cup a couple of weeks ago, but that was a rare defeat.
Apart from Billy Wingrove, they also have the likes of Neil Thompson (Hitchin Town), Andy Porter (ex-Braintree Town...Conference South), Dean Harding (ex-Arlesey Town) and too many ex-Ware (Ryman League) players to mention.



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Am I right in thinking a double header is two games in one, ie 2 x 30mins one game and another 2 x 30mins for the 'return fixture'?

Thanks for the info that looks like it could be a good game on Sunday and I'll try and get along if poss, subject to the wife's approval of course!

Put my name down for one of those DVDs when they're ready please, also the Eltham Town v T Aris Int Final if poss.


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Yes, that's correct. 2 x 60-minute matches.
In Sunday football (and the AFA Leagues on Saturdays), there's no other way of clearing the fixture backlog after a bad winter really.
Very few clubs have access to floodlit grass pitches in order to play midweek games before the clocks go forward for BST.
Because they have been successful in three Cup competitions this season in reaching Semi-Finals or Finals, Cheshunt Corinthians are currently having to play Double-Headers every Sunday and then midweek matches every Tuesday & Thursday. That might give us a chance of producing a shock result in one of the two 60-minute matches.

Double-Headers don't happen in the Non-League Pyramid on Saturdays (as far as I am aware) because every ground is floodlit. (I stand to be corrected on that by the way Wink).

As for DVD sales, I have been trying to get credit card payments set up on my website for ages, as that will be the easiest way to order copies of various Sunday League/LFA Cup Finals I have filmed over the years. I'll let everyone know when I have sorted that out. Other Non-League cameramen have managed it, but I'm not tech-savvy enough in that respect. Crazy I didn't film Eltham Town v. Tripimeni-Aris by the way. I don't know if any other video company did ?



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Yes, that's correct. 2 x 60-minute matches.
In Sunday football (and the AFA Leagues on Saturdays), there's no other way of clearing the fixture backlog after a bad winter really.
Very few clubs have access to floodlit grass pitches in order to play midweek games before the clocks go forward for BST.
Because they have been successful in three Cup competitions this season in reaching Semi-Finals or Finals, Cheshunt Corinthians are currently having to play Double-Headers every Sunday and then midweek matches every Tuesday & Thursday. That might give us a chance of producing a shock result in one of the two 60-minute matches.

Double-Headers don't happen in the Non-League Pyramid on Saturdays (as far as I am aware) because every ground is floodlit. (I stand to be corrected on that by the way Wink).

As for DVD sales, I have been trying to get credit card payments set up on my website for ages, as that will be the easiest way to order copies of various Sunday League/LFA Cup Finals I have filmed over the years. I'll let everyone know when I have sorted that out. Other Non-League cameramen have managed it, but I'm not tech-savvy enough in that respect. Crazy I didn't film Eltham Town v. Tripimeni-Aris by the way. I don't know if any other video company did ?



Yes I can see that double headers are a useful way of clearing fixture backlogs, the weather should be a bit better tomorrow than it was in that footageCool

I obviously misunderstood your previous posting about the Int Cup Final between Eltham Town & T ArisCrazy.

If Cheshunt Corinthians are that good why are they in Div One and not the Prem of the Waltham Sunday League?


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I was too late for the first game today but got to see most of the second game, I arrived just as Edmonton Rovers were awarded a penalty from which they duly scored to make it 1-1 but then went on to get stuffed 8-1, I gather the first game was a bit closer at 2-1. Cheshunt Corinthians did look good, was Billy Wingrove who you mentioned their number 19? He certainly caught my eye and also scored a great goal!


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I was too late for the first game today but got to see most of the second game, I arrived just as Edmonton Rovers were awarded a penalty from which they duly scored to make it 1-1 but then went on to get stuffed 8-1, I gather the first game was a bit closer at 2-1. Cheshunt Corinthians did look good, was Billy Wingrove who you mentioned their number 19? He certainly caught my eye and also scored a great goal!


I had to play the First Half of the first game...at the age of 51 !!!, as we had four players drop out on the morning of the match and another one turn up late.
We also had to field a 40-year-old central defender who had also not played for several years, but our experience and organisation got us through and we probably deserved a draw from the first match.
Cheshunt Corinthians' goals were scored by Michael Deane (Welling United...Conference South) and Andy Porter (ex-Braintree...Conference South) !
Here are their players Appearances & Goalscorers' totals so far this season.

They tried to bring Billy Wingrove on as a sub in the first game, but they had such a big squad turn up on the day that they had already given five names to the Ref and missed him off !
He played the whole of the second game (yes, he was wearing No.19)...along with 8 other top-quality ex-Semi-Pro players who had not played in the first game, and with us only having one fresh player to bring on (after missing the first game because he had to go to Church !), we were always going to get absolutely battered.
Every single one of their players turned up an hour before the kick-off in their designer tracksuits and warmed up properly. We were a shambles...because we are stuck in mid-table with nothing to play for, we had five first-choice players missing, and numerous other squad members have simply lost interest, mainly because of the enforced 9-week break we endured in December & January due to the weather. (They have since found better things to do on a Sunday morning than come along and go sub/club lino/challenge for a place in the side).

Cheshunt Corinthians should finish in the top two this season and get promoted to the Premier Division for next season.
This coming Wednesday night (21st April), they are playing Larsens in the Waltham Sunday League Senior Cup Final at Broxbourne Borough F.C. (7.45.p.m. kick-off), another game that I will be filming.
Should be a cracking match as Larsens squad includes Ansah Owusu (ex-Bristol Rovers), Russell Williamson (ex-Southend United) and numerous current or former Waltham Abbey players (Ryman Premier).
Larsens are only a mid-table side in our Premier Division though, which shows how strong our League is.
If Cheshunt Corinthians are in the Premier Division next season, despite the quality players they have got, they will do well to finish above Enfield Rangers, I.M.L., Lea Valley Royals and Spenny Rangers.



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I was too late for the first game today but got to see most of the second game, I arrived just as Edmonton Rovers were awarded a penalty from which they duly scored to make it 1-1 but then went on to get stuffed 8-1, I gather the first game was a bit closer at 2-1. Cheshunt Corinthians did look good, was Billy Wingrove who you mentioned their number 19? He certainly caught my eye and also scored a great goal!


I had to play the First Half of the first game...at the age of 51 !!!, as we had four players drop out on the morning of the match and another one turn up late.
We also had to field a 40-year-old central defender who had also not played for several years, but our experience and organisation got us through and we probably deserved a draw from the first match.
Cheshunt Corinthians' goals were scored by Michael Deane (Welling United...Conference South) and Andy Porter (ex-Braintree...Conference South) !
Here are their players Appearances & Goalscorers' totals so far this season.

They tried to bring Billy Wingrove on as a sub in the first game, but they had such a big squad turn up on the day that they had already given five names to the Ref and missed him off !
He played the whole of the second game (yes, he was wearing No.19)...along with 8 other top-quality ex-Semi-Pro players who had not played in the first game, and with us only having one fresh player to bring on (after missing the first game because he had to go to Church !), we were always going to get absolutely battered.
Every single one of their players turned up an hour before the kick-off in their designer tracksuits and warmed up properly. We were a shambles...because we are stuck in mid-table with nothing to play for, we had five first-choice players missing, and numerous other squad members have simply lost interest, mainly because of the enforced 9-week break we endured in December & January due to the weather. (They have since found better things to do on a Sunday morning than come along and go sub/club lino/challenge for a place in the side).

Cheshunt Corinthians should finish in the top two this season and get promoted to the Premier Division for next season.
This coming Wednesday night (21st April), they are playing Larsens in the Waltham Sunday League Senior Cup Final at Broxbourne Borough F.C. (7.45.p.m. kick-off), another game that I will be filming.
Should be a cracking match as Larsens squad includes Ansah Owusu (ex-Bristol Rovers), Russell Williamson (ex-Southend United) and numerous current or former Waltham Abbey players (Ryman Premier).
Larsens are only a mid-table side in our Premier Division though, which shows how strong our League is.
If Cheshunt Corinthians are in the Premier Division next season, despite the quality players they have got, they will do well to finish above Enfield Rangers, I.M.L., Lea Valley Royals and Spenny Rangers.




All credit to you for playing, in fairness I can understand your players who have found better things to do on a Sunday, I was exactly the same when I was younger but regret it now but such is life. I suppose playing on a Saturday and Sunday must take its toll on players home lives and their relationships with the WAG's and the lovely weather probably persuaded some players to do other things.

Alas I won't be able to get along to Wednesday's game but it would be nice to see some footage of it.

Actually it did look to me that many of your players had rather given up towards the end as the goals came raining in.


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51? Pah! You young pup!

Dulwich Hamlet Supporters' lost 3-2 away to Hayes Lane ultras, the Bromley supporters' mob, on Saturday morning. Our oldest player was a sprightly 64! Don't think it was quite the same high standard though! ;-)



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Well as for the best Sunday team in London, New Salamis are certainly up there. If they're not the best, they're second certainly. After 2 Challenge Cup titles in 3 years, can't argue with their pedigree. I think Baldon Sports have to be up there as well. They've got to THREE consecutive Challenge Cup finals in a row. Again, very consistent. I think it would be unfair to leave out Clapton Rangers. They won the Junior and Intermediate Cups in successive years and missed out on this year's Challenge Cup final after a shocking and bizarre loss to Baldon in the semi. To be honest it should have been New Salamis -v- Clapton Rangers in the final, but Clapton didn't take their chances in the semi.

You might be interested to see Isaac's comments on the three teams on this thread:

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Would have to be the Premier Division of the Islington Midweek league.

The top two Islington Admiral + L'Inizio (they change their name each season) are very good teams who would not be out of place at Step 5. Over the last few season various Step 5 sides have put reserve teams in the league and they have only finished mid to bottom of the league.

Each game has 3 officials and the games are played on Tue, Wed and Thursday evenings with games at 6pm and 8pm.

Initially I was sceptical of a mid-week league, but having previously played at Step 5 I found this a very competitive league of a good standard. The league has a few games to run and the top two are due to play soon, link to website below:

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Is that an 11 aside league? I have always been a bit sceptical if that is the right word of midweek leagues myself, but i guess there are a lot of decent sides in leagues that don't get as much coverage as other leagues. But of the teams we do know about in the major sunday competitions like the county cups it seems as if teams like New Salamis and Baldons are certainly the strongest and most consistent. However saw Charlton United today pick up the first of what could be THREE cups and they are still on for the league this season, so a QUAD. However my team is playing them in the third of those cup finals and we will be very determined to make sure that they do not get a clean sweep. Will be difficult though as they have scored at least 3 goals in EVERY single match they have played this season, (whether they have won drawn or lost) spanning across 5 different competitions, however we managed to beat them in one cup final last season on penalties and will be looking to emulate that again. They are an incredible side and it will be interesting to see how they fare next season when they enter another league (possibly the stronger Metropolitan league).


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Things are now really hotting up in the top two divisions of the Waltham Sunday League as we enter the last 2 or 3 weeks of the season. Here are the current League Tables.

In the Premier Division, Enfield Rangers' run of five League titles in a row could be in jeopardy, as I.M.L. are really giving them a run for their money this season, while Lea Valley Royals also have an outside chance.
Virtually all of I.M.L.'s squad have played at Steps 4-7 on Saturdays for the likes of Ware, Hertford Town and Wormley Rovers, who are currently top of the Herts Senior County League Premier Division. They are a strong experienced side with players who are all comfortable on the ball and can 'ping it about' a bit.

In Division One, it's a really good battle between East Herts, Enfield Royals and Cheshunt Corinthians for the two promotion places. East Herts have been leading the division all season but they lost 2-1 to Cheshunt Corinthians today and also drew 0-0 with them in a recent midweek match.
Enfield Royals (who lost 5-3 to Charlton United in this season's LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup) lost 5-0 to Cheshunt Corinthians a couple of weeks ago, but they are still in the mix. We (Edmonton Rovers) were supposed to be playing them this morning but we had to concede the match after five of our players dropped out with injuries and work & family commitments. Very embarrassing. Blush

In the League Senior Cup Final in midweek, Cheshunt Corinthians beat Larsens 3-0 and it could easily have been 6 or 7 !
Larsens are a decent mid-table Premier Division side who have had a lot of success in League and Essex County F.A. Cup competitions in recent seasons, but Cheshunt Corinthians totally wiped the floor with them and passed them off the pitch. It was one of the most impressive performances I have ever seen from a Sunday League side.
Broxbourne Borough F.C. (where our League Cup Finals are played) has a good playing surface, and Cheshunt Corinthians used it to their advantage. They play a quick short pass and move game with absolutely no 'hoofball' at all.
I filmed the game and will hopefully have some highlights on You Tube of that (and our other three League Cup Finals) sometime in late-May/early June. It depends whether the teams involved are prepared to pay a little extra for the editing time. If not, DVD's of the whole match will be on general sale anyway.
I am pleased to say that we were knocked out by the eventuial winners...something that normally happens to us in LFA Sunday Cup competitions of course. Sly

This coming Wednesday night (28th April) at Broxbourne Borough (7.45.p.m. kick-off), it's the Waltham Sunday League Challenge Cup Final between the all-conquering Enfield Rangers and Division One side Flamstead End.
Edmonton Rovers managed to beat Flamstead End in one match of a Double-Header, but we lost 6-0 in the other ! Flamstead End are a very good young side who will probably finish 4th in Division One this season, and I think they might actually be capable of causing an upset on Wednesday night. Their player to watch out for is forward Danny Swift, who plays for Ware (Ryman Div. One North) on Saturdays.
I recommend this match to any groundhoppers who are interested....and I will be there to film it.

I will also get more highlights of Edmonton Rovers matches up at some stage during the Summer. Three and a half Double-Headers still to be edited !



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The Islington Midweek league is an 11-a-side league with 3 officials for each game. The Premier league is a decent standard - but my point more is on the top two teams. Islington Admiral and the one who change their name each year... (Last year they won all 4 thropies)

Tornados are a mid-table to bottom side in the Premier league and won the London Junior Cup at the first attempt.

If you are free and Admiral and L'Inizio are play I would recommend catching this match. Most of the players are local boys who have or are play good standard weekend football.

Last season, I managed Tornados taking them to third in the league behind these two teams and we I also had 5 (I think, maybe 6) players represent the London FA at county level (along side Step 4-5 players) playing against Sussex FA, Middlesex FA, Army FA, etc.

Having played in this league and the Sunday Hackney league the Islington Midweek (Premier Division only) is by far the better leaugue - IMO.


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Thanks for this input Skydive. Much appreciated. Very interesting point re Tornadoes being in the Premier Div and entering the LFA JUNIOR cup. Goes back to what Hughesvideo, Isaac and I discussed earlier about the oddity of Prem teams just entering whatever LFA Cup they feel like going into. Prem teams should really only go into the Challenge Cup.


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Thanks for this input Skydive. Much appreciated. Very interesting point re Tornadoes being in the Premier Div and entering the LFA JUNIOR cup. Goes back to what Hughesvideo, Isaac and I discussed earlier about the oddity of Prem teams just entering whatever LFA Cup they feel like going into. Prem teams should really only go into the Challenge Cup.

Is that the LFA SATURDAY Junior Cup though ?...in which case that would be the correct competition to enter for an Islington Midweek League Premier Division side if they were choosing a Saturday Cup in preference to the Sunday LFA Cup competitions.

We played a team from the Islington Midweek League in the LFA Sunday Junior Cup in the 90's (Old Bristolians), but I don't think they were in the Premier Division. We beat them fairly easily.

If an Islington Midweek League Premier Division team is 'advised' to enter the LFA SUNDAY Junior Cup, maybe the League is being treated as 'inferior' (for want of a better word) by the LFA because all the matches are played on Astroturf (at Market Road) ?
Also, the LFA don't allow their Cup matches to be played on Astroturfs (unless both teams agree ?), so an Islington Midweek League Team then has to find a grass pitch from somewhere.

I filmed an Islington Midweek League Division One (I think) game last season. It was a reasonable standard, but I was more impressed by the playing surface. It didn't look like a 3G Astroturf, but the ball ran true and didn't bounce 'miles' up in the air all the time.



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HughesVideo, I doubt it was the Saturday cup. Don't teams in the LFA Saturday competitions have to be in official LFA pyramid leagues? (When I say "pyramid" I include leagues below steps 1-7 which are feeders to pyramid leagues) I thought the Sunday Cup was there precisely for non-pyramid teams?


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HughesVideo, I doubt it was the Saturday cup. Don't teams in the LFA Saturday competitions have to be in official LFA pyramid leagues? (When I say "pyramid" I include leagues below steps 1-7 which are feeders to pyramid leagues) I thought the Sunday Cup was there precisely for non-pyramid teams?


Not in the LFA Saturday JUNIOR Cup they don't.
Teams from the Enfield Alliance go in that, and that League certainly doesn't appear to be part of the Pyramid. That League is pure park football and not a particularly great standard, and they don't even have a League website...at least I have never been able to find it ! Wink

Looking at the LFA Saturday Intermediate Cup, that appears to be for Reserve Teams of Step 4-7 clubs and a few from the Essex Business Houses League, so again, not really for Pyramid clubs only ?



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HughesVideo, do you have more info about that Enfield Alliance League? (despite its lack of a website!) I've been trying to find out about that league for months. How many Divs? Where do teams play? How to enter etc?


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HughesVideo, do you have more info about that Enfield Alliance League? (despite its lack of a website!) I've been trying to find out about that league for months. How many Divs? Where do teams play? How to enter etc?

Funnily enough Steve, somebody from a team in the Enfield Alliance phoned me yesterday to ask if I knew of another Saturday 'park football' League in the Enfield/Tottenham/North-East London area that they could join for next season as there were now only two divisions in the Enfield Alliance comprising four teams in the Premier Division and eight (I think) teams in Division One. Evidently the League might fold up next season, with it sounding like the usual story of clubs blaming the League Committee for being too old and not computer-literate (hence no official website) and the League Committee blaming Club Secretaries for poor administration and clubs then going out of business from excessive fines.
Apparently there is a 'sort of' Enfield Alliance League website hosted by www.clubwebsite.co.uk, and I was told that P.E.R.M.E. (a long-standing Enfield Alliance club) had something to do with it. I have not had time to search for it yet, so good luck Steve ! Sly

The Club Secretary who phoned me was hoping that the Waltham Sunday League ran a Saturday League as well...which we did back in the 60's ! They don't want to join the Hertford & District League as that is too far for teams in Tottenham, they don't want to join the Middlesex County League as they don't fancy travelling that way round the North Circular on Saturday afternoons, and they don't want to join the AFA Leagues because they don't fancy cooking bangers & mash for the players afterwards, etc.
Basically, all they want is a well-run Saturday Parks Level League to cater for the Boroughs of Enfield, Haringey, Waltham Forest & Barnet...that sort of area. Any volunteers ?



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Oh dear. The Enfield Alliance League does not seem too healthy. Someone told me about it months ago and I told him no such league existed, and must be urban myth! You have touched upon a point I raised in another thread: http://nonleaguematters.co.uk/...?post=201649;#201649

There does seem to be a lack of Saturday football in London generally. Sunday leagues dwarf Saturday leagues by probably 5/10 to 1! Which is a great shame bc good players have to trek to the home counties to play a good standard of Saturday football. There don't seem to be many local London Saturday leagues feeding into the pyramid. Most of the leagues in London are ad hoc/Sunday or Saturday leagues with no direct promotion/relegation to the pyramid. The only notable Saturday leagues I can think of are the Ilford and District League (east London border area) and the London Commercial League (central London).

Oh, I'm surprised that a one off Saturday league like the
Enfield Alliance League sends teams into the LFA Saturday Junior Cup. I always thought that Cup was for teams that feed into the pyramid. Some counties have very elaborate pyramids that go all the way down to level 15, and technically a team can get promoted from local park football all the way up to semi-pro. I've heard of semi-pro teams e.g. in the Glos area going from playing in the FA NATIONAL Cup, and after a few bad seasons, getting relegated into amateur park football! A good example (of the opposite of this!) is Slimbridge. Less than 5 years ago I played against them when they were a Saturday park side at level 14. Right now, they are in the Hellenic league and only a couple of Divs below the Conference!


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I don't think the Enfield Alliance League has a website that I can find... PERME FC (Propellants, Explosives and Rockets Motors Establisment) do have one which may assist people.. I turned out for them on one very memorable occasion back in the early 90's. Can't remember the score but it was a large defeat


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I don't think the Enfield Alliance League has a website that I can find... PERME FC (Propellants, Explosives and Rockets Motors Establisment) do have one which may assist people.. I turned out for them on one very memorable occasion back in the early 90's. Can't remember the score but it was a large defeat


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In the midst of congratulating New Salamis and Baldon Sports, we forgot to mention Eltham Town. They beat the mighty Aris (champs of New Salamis' league) in the LFA Intermediate Cup final. Amazing since Eltham town are only mid-table in their league: http://www.obdsfl.com/

They must be quite some team to beat Aris. Anyone know much about them?


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In the midst of congratulating New Salamis and Baldon Sports, we forgot to mention Eltham Town. They beat the mighty Aris (champs of New Salamis' league) in the LFA Intermediate Cup final. Amazing since Eltham town are only mid-table in their league: http://www.obdsfl.com/

They must be quite some team to beat Aris. Anyone know much about them?



I was at the LFA Intermediate Cup Final and Eltham Town were worthy winners on the day although I don't know much else about them.


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Isaac, since you saw the Challenge Cup semis/final and the Intermediate Cup final, how would you assess the quality of New Salamis/Baldon/Clapton Rangers against Eltham Town and Aris? Did the Challenge Cup seem a higher standard than the Intermediate Cup?

Also thanks to Richard Rundle and thecoldend for the info re the Enfield Alliance.


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Isaac, since you saw the Challenge Cup semis/final and the Intermediate Cup final, how would you assess the quality of New Salamis/Baldon/Clapton Rangers against Eltham Town and Aris? Did the Challenge Cup seem a higher standard than the Intermediate Cup?

Also thanks to Richard Rundle and thecoldend for the info re the Enfield Alliance.



Yes the Challenge Cup games did seem a higher standard than the Intermediate Cup in fact I had expected a bit more from T-Aris, maybe they just had an off day or maybe Eltham Town just didn't allow them to play.

As I mentioned previously Clapton Rangers impressed me most of all even though they somehow managed to lose that semi final to Baldon Sports.


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In the midst of congratulating New Salamis and Baldon Sports, we forgot to mention Eltham Town. They beat the mighty Aris (champs of New Salamis' league) in the LFA Intermediate Cup final. Amazing since Eltham town are only mid-table in their league: http://www.obdsfl.com/

They must be quite some team to beat Aris. Anyone know much about them?



I was at the LFA Intermediate Cup Final and Eltham Town were worthy winners on the day although I don't know much else about them.


The Orpington & Bromley Sunday League is very strong. On a par with the Hackney & Leyton Sunday League for sure. Most of their teams are Kent F.A. affiliated of course, so it's a bit like the (Mercury) Waltham Sunday League where not all clubs are from the same County and it can get a bit complicated in judging how good teams really are.
Interesting to note that Eltham Town also have two teams in the Intermediate Division One of the London & Kent Border Sunday League, this being the second-highest Division in that League. I am actually filming their Reserve Team against Baldon Sports Reserves in a League Cup Final tomorrow afternoon at Beckenham Town FC and doing Baldon Sports First Team against New Convoys at the same venue in the morning.

I can never understand how Leagues can put a First Team and a Reserve Team of the same club in the same Division. There are quite a few Sunday Leagues who do that. Surely that could be open to some sort of manipulation of results if they had to play each other with something at stake at the end of the season ?
Our League have always maintained a strictly adhered-to policy whereby if a Reserve Team won Division One, they would not be promoted to join their First Team in the Premier Division.



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Yes allowing any clubs first team and reserve team to be in the same division really is a ridiculous state of affairs.


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Thanks for the info Isaac. Interesting that the Challenge Cup seemed a higher standard than the Int Cup. So despite entering whatever Cup they feel like, it does seem like the superior strength of the teams in the Challenge Cup shines through in the end.

Hughesvideo, interesting to note re the LKB and Orpington and Bromley District Leagues. I believe Baldon Sports used to be in the OBDSFL. I always get confused with these border leagues that have multiple affiliations which the LFA and home counties FAs in Kent, Middx,and Essex. They often end up playing in multiple county cups!

Crazy rule allowing 1st and Res teams to be in the same Div. I actually thought all leagues had a rule against this sort of thing, with automatic relegation of the 1st team or non-promotion of the Res team, if the 1st team and Res team end up in the same Div.

Then again, in the Dutch league I recall Ajax ist team and Ajax Res playing each other in a Cup semi?!


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Crazy rule allowing 1st and Res teams to be in the same Div. I actually thought all leagues had a rule against this sort of thing, with automatic relegation of the 1st team or non-promotion of the Res team, if the 1st team and Res team end up in the same Div.

Then again, in the Dutch league I recall Ajax ist team and Ajax Res playing each other in a Cup semi?!


Although we don't allow First & Reserve Teams to play in the same division in the Waltham Sunday League, they can meet each other in our Challenge Cup, which is for all teams in the League. This has only come about because we had to scrap our Reserve Teams' Cup competition a couple of years ago due to a lack of Reserve Teams in the League, so it would therefore be a bit unfair not to allow Reserve Teams to enter any League Cup competition whatsoever.

No First & Reserve Teams have met each other yet though.



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It will be interesting when 1sts and Reserves DO meet each other in the cup though. I imagine there will be a few tasty tackles from whippersnapper Res team players trying to make their case for the 1st team. Wink


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It will be interesting when 1sts and Reserves DO meet each other in the cup though. I imagine there will be a few tasty tackles from whippersnapper Res team players trying to make their case for the 1st team. Wink


Back in the mid-80's in our Tottenham, Haringey & District Sunday League days (another now-defunct Sunday League), Edmonton Rovers First Team and the Reserve Team we were running back then played each other in a League Cup game and it ended up being abandoned after a mass punch-up. We even got hauled up before the London F.A. It was very embarrassing ! Blush
The players got on with each other o.k. off the pitch, but it was so competitive on it in those days and there was a lot of pride at stake. Both teams had some very good players, so it was a fairly close game.
Like most teams in the Haringey League in the 80's, we had some absolute nutters playing for us and every game was an absolute war. The typical image of Sunday League football certainly rang true back then.
We got rid of them all in the late-80's/early-90's when the Haringey League folded and we joined the Mercury Waltham Sunday League...in which teams concentrate on playing football. As I have said before, it is so much better nowadays.



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Photos from the New Salamis -v- Baldon Sports final.

http://picasaweb.google.com/PaulGriffin1965/NewSalamis2BaldonSports1LFASundayChallengeCupFinal#5458904019687618514


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Message to Hughesvideo, have you seen who your side have in the London Intermediate cup this year? It looks like there are less teams in it this year and a few sides that probably should be in the junior cup have decided to enter at that level as well so you have a decent chance as ever of winning it from what I can see. Of course Enfield Royals, Greengate and Charlton United are still about and Yuravatan but no Tripimeni Aris or Baldon sports (last years finalists) Aris who don't even seem to be in the Challenge cup either for some reason. Also the team that knocked my side out in the semi's of the junior cup last year (who eventually won it) are there Tristars and Deloittee but they are an average side very beatable.

My side are having another crack at the junior cup and hopefully we can at least get to the Final this year it looks a very open cup for several sides in that cup this time around.


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Message to Hughesvideo, have you seen who your side have in the London Intermediate cup this year? It looks like there are less teams in it this year and a few sides that probably should be in the junior cup have decided to enter at that level as well so you have a decent chance as ever of winning it from what I can see. Of course Enfield Royals, Greengate and Charlton United are still about and Yuravatan but no Tripimeni Aris or Baldon sports (last years finalists) Aris who don't even seem to be in the Challenge cup either for some reason. Also the team that knocked my side out in the semi's of the junior cup last year (who eventually won it) are there Tristars and Deloittee but they are an average side very beatable.

My side are having another crack at the junior cup and hopefully we can at least get to the Final this year it looks a very open cup for several sides in that cup this time around.



Is the draw online?


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Yes the draws are all up on the FA site.


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Message to Hughesvideo, have you seen who your side have in the London Intermediate cup this year? It looks like there are less teams in it this year and a few sides that probably should be in the junior cup have decided to enter at that level as well so you have a decent chance as ever of winning it from what I can see. Of course Enfield Royals, Greengate and Charlton United are still about and Yuravatan but no Tripimeni Aris or Baldon sports (last years finalists) Aris who don't even seem to be in the Challenge cup either for some reason. Also the team that knocked my side out in the semi's of the junior cup last year (who eventually won it) are there Tristars and Deloittee but they are an average side very beatable.

My side are having another crack at the junior cup and hopefully we can at least get to the Final this year it looks a very open cup for several sides in that cup this time around.


Yes, Edmonton Rovers are in the London F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup again this year, and as always, we look forward to pitting our wits against other top Sunday League sides from all over London.
We have a Bye in the First Round, then a relatively easy-looking Second Round match at Home, but the Third Round is going to be a real tough one (if we get that far). We are Away to either the aforementioned Charlton United (who beat Enfield Royals 5-3 last year and reached the Semi-Finals), Phoenix (the top side in the Camden Sunday League) or Cetinkaya Cinar, who will be pushing New Salamis and Tripimeni-Aris all the way for the KOPA League title this season by all accounts.
Another KOPA League team to watch out for in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup this year are Pendayia. They were known as A.C. Varosi last year and are the remnants of the successful Trent Park (Arkay) team from our League a few seasons ago. They have just been taken over by a Cypriot millionaire who apparently is going to 'pay for everything'...and more ! It's another example of why traditional English Sunday League 'Pub Teams' will always find it hard to compete against the KOPA League teams.

Having said that, we actually played Cetinkaya Cinar in a Pre-Season Friendly last Sunday (15th August) and beat them 1-0, despite only having a bare eleven players up until the last 10 minutes when a couple more managed to turn up after a Wedding reception the night before ! Typical Sunday League football, eh ?! Sly
Cetinkaya Cinar turned up with a squad of 17 including several Ryman and Spartan South Midlands League players. Two I recognised were Murat Karagul and Sheldon Hussey of Broxbourne Borough. Luckily our goalkeeper had a good game ! Wink
I know Tolga from Cetinkaya Cinar reads this Forum, so he might be able to fill you in on more news from the KOPA League. Somebody told me that Tripimeni-Aris were dropping out to go into the Non-League Pyramid on Saturdays, and I certainly can't see them anywhere in the LFA Sunday Cup draws. Shocked

Unfortunately, I won't have highlights of the Cetinkaya Cinar Friendly up on You Tube for another couple of months as I am busy updating my three websites at the moment.
The Mercury Waltham Sunday League has new sponsors and is now known as the ORC Sports Waltham Football League.
Here is our new website which I have almost completed...http://www.walthamfootballleague.co.uk
Go to the Links page and you will find everything there for Sunday League Football in London and surrounding counties, all of which have been completely updated.

I also have some highlights on You Tube for our League Challenge Cup Final last season when our fellow Division One side Flamstead End pulled off a shock result by beating the 'mighty' Enfield Rangers, mainly thanks to Ware's Danny Swift.
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Somebody told me that Tripimeni-Aris were dropping out to go into the Non-League Pyramid on Saturdays, and I certainly can't see them anywhere in the LFA Sunday Cup draws. Shocked

They have applied for the FA Sunday Cup though, so must still have a team entered in the Kopa league.

Other teams affiliated to the London FA that have applied are:

AFC Kumazi Strikers - Metropolitan SL
Baldon Sports - Metropolitan SL
Greengate - Essex Corinthian SL
London Maccabi Lions - Maccabi SL
North West Neasden - Maccabi SL

Middlesex FA
AFC Harrow - Harrow Sunday Challenge
Bedfont Sunday - West Middlesex SL
Broadfields United - Harrow Sunday Challenge
Enfield Rangers - Waltham SL

Surrey FA
The Lounge - Morden & District SL

Essex FA
Nicholas Wybacks - Basildon & District SL
Royal Falcons - Essex Corinthian SL
Torrun United - Basildon & District SL


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Darney:

1) Baldon Sports entered the Challenge Cup. Where they will be looking to reach the final for the FOURTH time in a row! They are also in the FA National Sunday Cup. Let's hope they don't mess up like they did last year by getting 4 players sent off and being reduced to 7 men!

2) Despite Aris not entering, all the "usual suspects"/heavyweights entered: Baldon, Clapton Rangers, New Salamis, Charlton Rangers.... Not sure why Aris did not enter. They are still part of the KOPA league and have fixtures coming up. Since they have won the Challenge Cup several times, perhaps they think it is now "beneath" them? I guess we will find out how good they really are when we see them face the Scouse teams in the National Cup.

3) Gosh, the Intermediate Cup looks really "skinny" this year! Have people abandoned it?! One new team to watch out for though is Bethnal Green Reserves. Their first team is in the Essex Senior League. I know a lot of their players (virtually the whole squad is from the Hackney & Leyton League - playing for teams like Bancroft, Eureka and Lapton). I'm not quite sure how their reserves managed to enter the LFA SUNDAY Intermediate Cup, as they are registered to play in the Middlesex County League....a SATURDAY league!


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Hatcham v Clapton Rangers looks good, I'll try and get along to that one.


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Hi steve yes I meant Eltham Town and not Baldon Sports were in last years Intermediate final along with Aris! We will see how far Baldon get in this years FA Sunday cup which will prove how good they actually are. As for Aris in that competition I don't actually think they will get that far having seen them in the Intermediate cup last season they are a good side but no more, I didn't see anything in them that really impressed me. Baldon are also now in the Premier Division of the Metropolitan league instead of the London and kent Border League and I am fairly certain that they won't find that league a walkover by any means. In contrast, my old nemesis Charlton United have moved over to the Metropolitan Senior division as well and they also won't run away with that league in the way they have dominated the Woolwich and Eltham Alliance over the past 5+ years. They certainly won't be getting any treble or quadruple this year.
Yes the Intermediate does look surprisingly very skinny this year (and it seems to have more weaker teams) I wonder why? as the junior cup has roughly the same amount of teams as last year as does the Challenge cup so where are all the other sides gone? Good for those teams actually in at as they have a great chance to progress.


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Highlights of Edmonton Rovers first ORC Sports Waltham Sunday Football League Division One match of the season are now online here.
Not a great start for us, but East Herts are a very good side and will probably win Division One this season.

I probably should be posting this in the 'Where Are You Going' section, but if anybody is in the Palmers Green area this coming Sunday morning (12th September), there are three good standard games being played at our Home ground (Hazelwood Sports Ground). Postcode is N13 5BS. Look for the alleyway entrance in-between the houses.

On Pitch One, we are playing AFC Cheshunt, another very good side who will almost certainly be in contention for the Division One title this season. They won the Hertfordshire F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup the season before last and have Cheshunt's Gary Schillaci playing for them (amongst others). Here are the squads for this match.

On Pitch Two, there is another ORC Sports Waltham Sunday Football League Division One match taking place between McKenzie Rangers and Hop Poles. Both teams have been promoted from Division Two and are up-and-coming sides. Here are the squads for that match.
McKenzie Rangers have Jeremie Aliadiere's brother in their squad, while I believe Hop Poles' Steve Perkins is an ex-pro and Drew Tyler and Daniel Flint both play in the Pyramid on Saturdays.

On Pitch Three, there is a top game from the KOPA (Cypriot) League taking place between Pendayia and Cetinkaya Cinar (who we beat 1-0 in a Pre-Season Friendly recently). However, that game has been put on what appears to be a Youth pitch, so Enfield Council may have made a cock-up there !
Last season we were the only team playing over there, but Enfield Council have now had to put teams from Enfield Playing Fields at other venues because Enfield Town F.C. have had to re-develop the EPF changing rooms in order to play Ryman League matches at the Queen Elizabeth Stadium later this season. As Enfield Playing Fields has 25 pitches, it's a bit like the situation with the Hackney & Leyton Sunday League where the Olympics have made x amount of pitches unavailable. Mens' Sunday morning football is always the loser in these situations.



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There maybe a possible FA Sunday Cup double on 17th October, as London Maccabi Lions play Enfield Rangers at Rowley Lane Sports Ground, Arkley in Barnet at 11:15.

With several other ties kicking off at 14:00, it might be possible to watch 2 games.


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New to these forums and to be honest I think they're a great find!!

Would like to say that nobodies really mentioned some of the teams from North West London in the Hendon & District League (HDSFL). There are a few sides there that have some pedigree and the Hendon & District League has had a lot of success in the Middlesex county cups winning the Premier and Intermediate cups on a number of occasions in recent years. The most notable sides from the HDSFL are Kings United and St Andrews and to a lesser extent Highgate Albion.

Also if it's the same Enfield Rangers, St. Andrews have done the number on those boys a few times and last year NLO (one of the new powers) in the HDSFL beat Enfield Rangers in the Middlesex cup before getting knocked out in the quarter finals.

Anyway, recently (last 2 years) the HDSFL has not been as strong as St. Andrews are no more and a lot of players have left Kings United.

It would be excellent to get some of the winners of the Home County Cups and the London FA Cup to play against one another in some sort of champions league.

On a seperate note that Edmonton Rovers Striker Conor McGovern looks quality. I've been watching Edmonton Rovers for the past hour and he looks an excellent player.



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Can I just say that I have heard of Highgate Albion and they actually beat the side I was playing for (at the time) in the London Junior cup, in the latter rounds about 4 years ago but despite always getting to the latter rounds of the junior cup they don't seem to have got much further in recent years either so I don't see them as that strong a side and I haven't heard of Kings United or St Andrews so can't comment on either of those but do they enter the sunday FA cup or challenge cup, how do they get on in those?


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I notice that NLO (otherwise known as North London Olympians) are now London F.A. affiliated and will be playing Away to Albion Manor (from the Hackney & Leyton Sunday League) in the First Round of the London F.A. Sunday Challenge Cup in October. Should be an interesting match, as NLO did indeed beat Enfield Rangers in the Middlesex Sunday Premier Cup last season, which is some result.

Another match worth watching in that First Round will be Continental (from our League) against Panthea (from the KOPA League). Both had very good starts to their season last Sunday. Continental beat us 3-1 in Pre-Season and looked very impressive with a lot of new signings. They might be on the way back up to the levels they were in the 70's & 80's when they won the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup three times.

As for our striker Conor McGovern, unfortunately he has been out injured for several months, and at 39 now, he might have played his last game for us. He is based in Leigh-On-Sea nowadays, and you don't get too many Sunday League footballers travelling long distances like that unless they are guaranteed a place in the starting line-up. He accepts that we need to bring in younger players and look to the future. He has been a quality player for us over the years in two different spells...1991-1996 and then from 2001 onwards. He had a five-year spell in-between playing for Hoddesdon Town (when they were one of the better teams in the Spartan South Midlands League Premier Division) and then St. Margaretsbury (in the same division). They both got him playing as a target man centre-forward just because of his height, but that isn't really his game at all. He is better at getting the ball at his feet and taking defenders on down the channels...very similar to Milwall's Steve Morison.
I don't think either team really used Conor to the best of his ability, but that's what you got at Step 5 level back then. Very much a long ball percentage game and I presume it hasn't changed much ?



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Kings United never entered the FA Sunday Cup and St. Andrews only entered twice. The furthest St. Andrews got was the Quarter-Finals (07/08) before being knocked-out 4-0 by Hetton Lyons Cricket Club who are actually the current holders of the FA Sunday Cup now.

Highgate Albion are a decent side, they are probably the best run club in the HDSFL. They are affiliated with both the London & Middlesex FA and have a lot of players to choose from.




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Hi guys, first time user on this site.

With regards to the new/ percieved weaker teams choosing to enter the Intermediate Cup, my team actually applied to the Junior Cup this year but was refused entry, and instead placed in the Intermediate Cup for "footballing reasons".

Hopefully this wasn't just to make up the numbers....certainly felt a bit odd considering this was the first time we have applied to any London FA Cup?!

Anyway, we'll see how we get on.


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Who's your team? And are there any other teams in your division entering London cups? I agree it would be a bit rough for it to be a decision based on numbers, but if other teams in your division are in the Intermediate then it would seem fair.


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Cope1 - my team is London Aberdeen, from the APSCIL league (Association of Provincial Supporters Clubs in London).

I think Exeter Exiles reached the quarter finals of the Junior Cup last year, and its from them that we got the idea of entering this year.


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I see you had a pretty good year last year - perhaps they think the Intermediate would be more of a challenge.
That probably sounds patronising but I know the AFA have taken a bit of stick in the past for underestimating new clubs, and I think they've erred on the side of challenging them more since, and letting them drop down if it really doesn't work out. Maybe London are doing the same.

Personally I think cups like these should be based on divisions - it seems mad to me that 2 teams in the same division end up in completely different levels of cups.


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Yes you are probably right but having read some of the posts on here our Sunday Football is very much social rather than anything else, so hopefully we aren't out of place and don't embarrass ourselves.


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Scottorae I see that you beat a team from the league my side is in L S Sports in the first round of the intermediate cup and it looks like you have a tough but winnable match in the next round against Chandler Athletic from the Prem Division of the Met league so good luck in that match. My side was the team that knocked out Exeter Exiles in the quarters last year 5-0 and I see that they are already out in the first round this year of the junior or we could possibly have met them again this year as well in a further round. I am surprised that you say the FA put you in the intermediate and it seems that it may have been down to the low numbers, I don't understand where all the teams that entered last year have gone?? I also don't know why L S Sports are in that cup as they finished bottom of our prem division last year and only didn't get relegated due to two teams folding.


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Yes, we beat LS on Sunday. We know nothing of any team so very much a learning process for us this year - apparently LS were saying they fancied beating Chandler in the next round but they were prone to mouthing off a fair bit so we'll take that with a pinch of salt ha ha!

Exeter tend to finish midtable in our league, we beat them 3 times last season, but they did say that last year there is a lot of luck in who you will turn out against, i.e they would sometimes play a team sitiing top of the table and they would only arrive with 10 or 11 and stuff like that?

Just out of interest, are Chandler a "Vets" team as they play in the Senior league or is this just another way of saying they are playing at a decent standard ie the Senior league? Either way think they will be far too strong than us - LS took it all quite seriously ha ha!


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That maybe their experience last year and i think that in some of the early rounds (certainly in the junior cup) you can get sides like that but definitely from the quarters onwards i think all the sides are pretty serious. Last year we got to the semis and we certainly had 'good' draws in that we didn't play any of the very strongest teams until the semis (and got well beaten 4-1 on the day), from the sides in the intermediate cup though i think virtually all the sides take it seriously and are pretty decent footballing sides to be honest. If you get past Chandler, who i have never actually seen play but i know they are a half decent side you will have done very well but from there on in it looks very tough indeed as there are teams in there that will be looking to go a step or two beyond how they performed in last few years competition and are more than capable there are no easy games really. As i have already stated on this website Charlton United are an exceptional side plus you have Bari, Edmonton Rovers, Yavravtun, Greengate, Enfield Royals and Cetinkya who will all be progressing through. As for L S Sport yes they are a very 'mouthy' team typical of many black side's (and I am black!) before anyone says anything and we also beat them 3 times last season in league and cup quite comfortably but they can be a good side on any given day so you obviously done well to beat them. I think you have a good chance against Chandler as with most of the ties in these cups it is a cliche but it is very much 'on the day' how your own players raise their game or are mentally ready because you can beat sides that in reality are better than you. We actually 'went out' in the second round last year against a team that never lost another game in the whole season but the game was replayed because the match went ahead with no nets and we beat them in the re-arranged game 2-0 and that was their only league or cup defeat all year.


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As i say i have never seen Chandler play but I seriously doubt they are a vets team as i know the other teams in their league and they are not vets sides so i don't see them playing in that league as a vets team and competing (even though they are currently bottom) i can't see them winning the senior league as a vets team - not saying that you can't get decent vets sides either by the way!


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Darney. I don't think Baldon have much to prove. They've been in the Challenge Cup final THREE TIMES IN A ROW! Will be interesting to see how they get on in the Metropolitan League. Hope they have strong refs in that league bc Baldon have a lot of aggro in their blood!

Hope you guys that go along to the games post really detailed reports like we did last season.

Very suspicious that the LFA is putting new teams into the Intermediate Cup. Seems that they are just trying to make upthe numbers!


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Very suspicious that the LFA is putting new teams into the Intermediate Cup. Seems that they are just trying to make upthe numbers!


I think it is more likely because they have got yet another new person in charge of the LFA Cup competitions this season who is not aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the various Sunday Leagues and where teams finished in their Leagues the previous season, although as I mentioned before, the decisions on which teams enter which Sunday Cups are supposed to be made by a Committee. Maybe some of us on this thread (and the Club Secretaries of teams who have been entering LFA Sunday Cups for years) should be asked for our opinions first ? Wink
It would also help if the London F.A. kept an archive of all previous seasons' LFA Sunday Cup results on their website for referrral. They certainly used to until a couple of seasons ago, but it looks like they have all now been binned !

The lady who was doing the LFA Sunday Cup competitions last season got the results up on the website pretty much straight away, but there is nothing on there yet for this season, which is pretty frustrating I have to say. The First Round of the LFA Sunday Junior Cup was played two weeks ago, and for those of us in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup, there are no results from the First Round played last Sunday (19th Sept) either. Not all League websites display County Cup results involving their teams, so it's not easy to find out who got through.



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Hughesy I called the FA regarding why the results were not up and it is a different person doing it this year (the lady doing it last year was very helpful!) and he said that he does not have all the results for the first round!?! I have managed to find most of the results myself by looking at the individual websites but as you said some of them don't have the LFA cup results. I don't understand why they can't put up the results that are through though as this is what they have done in previous years i don't think its exactly time consuming is it?, very annoying when you want to know something and it isn't available for weeks.


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he said that he does not have all the results for the first round!?!


There'll be a lot of teams getting fined then by the sound of it !? Sly



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*sigh* LFA are not doing wonders for the reputation of London football are they?

I'm not too familiar with the teams in the Junior Cup but for the intermediate and challenge cups, I'd keep an eye on the following:

Intermediate Cup


Yavruvatan
Faithfold

Challenge Cup

New Salamis
Baldon Sports
Clapton Rangers
North West Neasden

Will also be interesting to see how Baldon's reserves get on in the junior cup.


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*sigh* LFA are not doing wonders for the reputation of London football are they?

I'm not too familiar with the teams in the Junior Cup but for the intermediate and challenge cups, I'd keep an eye on the following:

Intermediate Cup


Yavruvatan
Faithfold

Challenge Cup

New Salamis
Baldon Sports
Clapton Rangers
North West Neasden

Will also be interesting to see how Baldon's reserves get on in the junior cup.




Is their any site confirming kick off times and venues for this Sundays's Challenge Cup ties? TIA!


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Is their any site confirming kick off times and venues for this Sundays's Challenge Cup ties? TIA!


The London F.A. never put kick-off times and venues on their website, but the general rule is that morning matches kick-off at 10.30.a.m. and afternoon matches start at 2.00.p.m.
Most, if not all of the matches listed here for the 3rd October will be 10.30.a.m. kick-offs I would have thought. It's generally only the Turkish Community Federation clubs who kick-off in the afternoons, especially those who play at Hackney Marshes.

As for the venues, the best way of finding out is to probably use the F.A.'s 'Find A Club' facility (using 'Search By Club Name' from the drop-down menu), then do a double-check on the League Website that the club plays in...a list of links to London Sunday Leagues are here on the Waltham Sunday League website. However, a lot of League websites don't even mention County Cup fixtures & results for their participating teams.
So...good luck if you manage to find confirmation of anything ! Wink

The best matches seem to be in the second half of the First Round draw (to be played on Sunday 10th October).
I would highly recommend Continental v. Panthea and New Salamis v. London Maccabi Lions.
Akincilar (the top Turkish Community team) v. Omonia would have been a 'bit tasty' a few years ago, but Omonia are now in the Second Division of the KOPA League and are not the force they were.

As for this Sunday (3rd October), Baldon Sports v. Rizorkarpasso is probably the best bet for an interesting game. I would expect Baldon to win that reasonably comfortably though.



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I had intended to go to the Hatcham v Clapton Rangers tie but I have been informed that Clapton Rangers are unable to fulfill this fixture and that Hatcham will therefore get a bye into the next round.


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If any of you are looking for an LFA Sunday Challenge Cup game this Sunday then my own team, Kenningwell United are at home to Groundhoppers, 10.30 kick off at our new home ground - Southwark Sports Ground (Peckham Town FC), 37 Dulwich Common, SE21 7EU.

Entry is free but we do charge £2 for a copy of our programme, which is normally around 30 pages long. Tea and coffee is also available pre and post match.


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Thanks, I'll try and get along to that one!


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The LFA have finally got the First Round results online from the Sunday Intermediate Cup.
http://www.londonfa.com/...intermediatecup1.htm

Hopefully the LFA Sunday Junior Cup results will follow shortly here ?
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In no way defending the LFA but they did change the results phone in number. For our Reserve's Junior Cup match last week I only received an email with the new number a day or two before the match. This may explain the delay in the posting of the results on their site.


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That may be so however the junior cup matches are over 3 weeks old now and the intermediate results are up on the site which took place after the junior cup first batch of games?? In addition I have spoken with the guy who deals with the results at the FA and he says that he has given all the results to the person who actually updates the website, so where are those results they are still not up as of today? I have actually trawled as many of the individual leagues as i can to get these results and there can olny be about 4/5 results that I haven't managed to get so the excuse that they haven't got "all the results" is a bit weak, they should have been up several weeks ago.


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I see.

Well just in case you didn't get this Junior Cup Result, Greenhouse Bethwin beat Kenningwell United Reserves 5 - 2!


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If any of you are looking for an LFA Sunday Challenge Cup game this Sunday then my own team, Kenningwell United are at home to Groundhoppers, 10.30 kick off at our new home ground - Southwark Sports Ground (Peckham Town FC), 37 Dulwich Common, SE21 7EU.

Entry is free but we do charge £2 for a copy of our programme, which is normally around 30 pages long. Tea and coffee is also available pre and post match.



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What time is the game being called off at? There's no way Southwark Sports will beat this rain...



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Sorry the game is OFF. That was what my last message was for but some of it was missed off at the end!


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Not surprised! I'm sure not much anywhere will play today, but Southwark Sports has never drained well down the years.

I must get to one of your games one morning? Why? To be honest, one chap was showing off your programme at a game I happened to be at a couple of years ago, it looks very good! You're local & your 'perseistent nagging/plugging' on here deserves 'rewarding'! ;-)



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Thanks for confirming that, I guessed it would be with the heavy rain


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Mishi, I am sure we would be honoured if you were to grace us with your presence! ;-)

We always produce a programme for our home games so obviously we are really pleased when we receive feedback.

I will post details of the re-arranged fixture by Monday evening at the latest.


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New Salamis -v- London Maccabi Lions should be a very good game. Two teams from very good leagues, and New Salamis are the holders of course.

Any idea why Clapton could not fulfill their fixture? Have they folded?


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I see Baldon lost in the Senior cup anybody see that game?


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Baldon losing is a big shock. They lost to Rizokarpasso - from the KOPA League. The same league as New Salamis who have beaten Baldon in 2 of the last 3 Challenge Cup finals. Well, at least Baldon still have the FA NATIONAL Sunday Cup to play for.

Interesting, it seems that Clapton Rangers' first team has withdrawn from the Hackney and Leyton League. They lost their three best players (Michael Filletti, Nathan Scarborough and James Smith) to another team in the same league. Real shame. I wonder what will happen to their ambitions of becoming a fully semi-pro SATURDAY team.
That said, their reserves are still in the East London Sunday League.


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For anyone wishing to attend, the re-arranged Sunday Challenge Cup tie between Kenningwell United and Groundhoppers is now taking place this Sunday, 2pm kick off at Southwark Sports. Full address and map is available on www.kenningwellfc.com


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As we are Involved in a London cup tie shortly was wondering if anyone knew how strong the Turkish Community football Federation league (i.e. Not the KOPA league)is as we are playing the side that currently tops the Second Division Gaziantepspor?. They have walloped the sides that have played so far in the league but only won 3-2 in the first round of the london junior cup, does anyone have any useful info on them?


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Some interesting results here in the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup yesterday.
New Salamis 7 London Maccabi Lions 2 ! Shocked

The Maccabi Sunday League Premier Division Table is very interesting with London Maccabi Lions bottom and North West Neasden only just above them ! Both of them go in the F.A. National Sunday Cup and the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup, while the two teams currently first and second (Redbridge Jewish Care and Faithfold) both go in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup !
Faithfold are playing Enfield Royals (from the Waltham Sunday League) on the 24th October and it looks as is Enfield Royals are going to have their work cut out winning that one, as they have had a poor start to the season in our Premier Division...which is extremely strong this year.

Enfield Rangers are playing London Maccabi Lions this Sunday in the National Sunday Cup, so I would hope that Rangers can get through.

Continental did our League proud on Sunday by beating Panthea on penalties. Sounds like it was the good close game I predicted ?

As for the Turkish Community Football Federation, the normal 'big two' Akincilar and Yavruvatan have both lost once already, so I wouldn't be surprised if that League is getting even stronger. The current leaders in the top Division, Yalova, were a force in London F.A. Cups a few years ago, but I have never heard of BJK Kizilirmak, who currently lie in second place. I would think that Gaziantepspor will be a tough team to beat.



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Thanks Hughsie my instincts are also telling me that Gaizantespor will be a tough test even though I can get no other info on them other than their league results so far for this season and that they drew with Yalova 3-3 in a turkish cup match only a couple of weeks ago. Seeing that Yalova reached the London Junior semi's last year (the same as us) I know they are of a level. Really difficult trying to prepare for this game without knowing much about the opposition and never having seen them play but I would still take us to go through as we are also a tough team to beat in the cups.

I noticed that Enfield Royals Reserves lost 8-0 in the first round of the junior cup (one of the few ties that I actually predicted wrong!) as I thought they would be a side that progressed further they must be a lot weaker than last year?!


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I noticed that Enfield Royals Reserves lost 8-0 in the first round of the junior cup (one of the few ties that I actually predicted wrong!) as I thought they would be a side that progressed further they must be a lot weaker than last year?!


I don't know what's going on with Enfield Royals this season. Their First Team (who are now in the Premier Division) have lost all three of their matches played so far and I think they failed to fulfil another fixture (although there may be a dispute of some sort with that one), while their Reserves have lost 5 out of 5.

Maybe they have lost a few first teamers through work & family commitments and injuries and the Reserve Team players stepping up to the Premier are not good enough for that level ? If that's the case, I sympathise, as that is what happened to us about 8 years ago.
We ran one team, got into the Premier Division and finished joint-second, so the following season we decided to start a Reserve Team to phase older players out and give some promising youngsters a game in a lower Division. Of course as soon as we did that, a lot of quality First Team players left because of work & family stuff and the Reserve players were not good enough for the Premier Division. The First Team then ended up getting relegated and we have been stuck in Division One ever since. The biggest mistake we made though was not putting the Reserve Team in the bottom Division, as they ended up losing every single game the following season and we had to fold them up because the players were demoralised.

Running a Reserve Team in Sunday football is very, very difficult nowadays, and I am amazed how the likes of Baldon Sports and Eltham Town manage to do it...in fact they even run more than two teams.



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Yes I think Eltham Town have about 4 or even 5 teams within themselves and have been around a very, very long time there is in fact more than ONE Eltham town FC around also, so its difficult to know sometimes which Eltham Town FC people are referring to! they must be run very well and Baldon also have several sides and well run (although I saw their reserve game get abandoned yesterday as they were on the pitch next to my team - they were losing at the time).

My team started a reserve side this year which is mainly players and a manager from another club and new players that responded to an ad they compete in the bottom division of our league but so far they have lost 5 out of 5 (league and cup) and I think the demorilisation is setting in already! At the moment I can't see them getting a positive result even in the bottom league, sometimes the players just aint good enough to be honest.


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My team started a reserve side this year which is mainly players and a manager from another club and new players that responded to an ad they compete in the bottom division of our league but so far they have lost 5 out of 5 (league and cup) and I think the demorilisation is setting in already! At the moment I can't see them getting a positive result even in the bottom league, sometimes the players just aint good enough to be honest.


The problem I found with running a Sunday League Reserve Team is that a lot of the players who answer ads to play at that level have never actually played competitive 11-a-side football before ! It's because it's been phased out in schools over the last 10-15 years and in Youth Football it's Mini-Soccer up until the age of 11. A lot of kids then just have kickabout matches with their mates after that or play 5-a-side/7-a-side at Powerleague, then they come to us to play 11-a-side competitively at 18 and haven't got a clue about positional sense, movement off the ball, calling and tactics. They then lose heavily even in the bottom Division because of that, even though most of the players have got plenty of skill and tricks.



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I think what you'll find with the Maccabi Sunday Football League is that there is currently a shift in power. The teams that historically have always been good in the league e.g. London Maccabi Lions and North West Neasden are losing players to Saturday to football. However, these teams all have players that they can call upon for big matches if they want to. However, it seems they didn't call enough of the big game players back for the game against New Salamis.

Where as Redbridge Jewish Care is a newly formed team and probably entered the intermediate cup so they could get used to playing county cup football, I'm sure next season they'll be in the London Challenge cup, also Faithfold haven't had a strong team for a while which is why they've probably chose to play in the intermediate cup instead of the challenge cup.

To be honest when teams are in London leagues they join any cup that they feel like, but I get your point, why are the 2 bottom teams in the Challenge cup and the 2 top teams in the intermediate cup? But it could be just the way the early season fixtures have panned out.

On another note, a team I mentioned earlier from the Hendon & District Sunday Football League, NLO (North London Olympians) they have now moved their best team to the Harrow & District Sunday Football League this season (which is a very competitive league) and they have entered both the Middlesex Premier Cup and the London Challenge Cup, so it will be interesting to see how well they do in both competitions as they are a very good side.

North London Olympians also beat Albion Manor, from the Hackney & Leyton Sunday Football League, 5-0 on Sunday which shows how strong NLO are given the perceived strength of the Hackney & Leyton league. I think NLO could definately be the team to watch in the elite county cups. I'm not sure if there has ever been a team that has won both the London & Middlesex cups in the same season, although that would be a very difficult task achieve.



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NLO beat Albion Manor 5-0?! Bl**dy hell. That's a shocking result...especially as Albion Manor won their first three league games this season, including beating the seemingly invincible Hackney and Leyton League champs Lapton - who have won 8 (yes EIGHT) league titles in a row since they were formed. I will definitely be keeping an eye on NLO.

Darney - if you are playing any team from the top Div of the Turkish league, expect a tough game. That league is a very high standard. A few years back, they and the KOPA (Cypriot) League used to monopolise victories in the the London county cups.

Hughesvideo, teams like Baldon Sports, Eltham Town, and Clapton Rangers can maintain reserve teams because they win all the time! It is very easy to attract 25+ guys to your club when you can tell them "we've been in London cup finals for the last three years" (Baldon and Clapton), and your players are local heroes to young kids. When you have "Sunday" teams picking most of their players from semi-pro Saturday football (including Baldon who have Conference players and internationals in their team!), the Reserve squad might be the only way for "regular" Sunday league players with no semi-pro ambitions to get game time.
They usually put their Reserves in a different league.

There's definitely been a shift in Sunday league football power this season: Baldon, Enfield Royals, North West Neasden A, London Maccabi Lions, Lapton all starting slowly, and Clapton Rangers withdrawing their first team entirely.


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Thanks Steve but the team we are playing are top of the Turkish Second Division although they did draw in the cup with a team in the top Turkish division recently that's why it is so difficult to assess how strong they REALLY are without seeing them play. Anyways as Hughesy said I am taking it that they will be a strong side and am expecting a difficult game especially as we have to travel early on the sunday morning to get to their place!


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Hughesvideo, teams like Baldon Sports, Eltham Town, and Clapton Rangers can maintain reserve teams because they win all the time!

That's very true Steve.

We haven't won anything or even reached a Cup Final for 23 years now (which was when we joined the Waltham Sunday League), and there are four other clubs in our League (Northmet Riverside, Northaw, White Hart & Chase Side Old Boys) who all ran Reserve Teams while they were in the Premier Division and then had to fold them up because too many players got fed up with losing. Those four clubs (who have all been running even longer than we have !) are now running just one team in the lower Divisions and it's amazing that they manage to keep going, especially Chase Side Old Boys, who are now bottom of the bottom Division. They have been advertising for new players over the last couple of seasons, and I hear that virtually all of those who answer are not good enough to get into other teams in the League and are just desperate for a game with 'whoever'. More and more of their better players then leave and it's a downward spiral which is very difficult to stop unless you are lucky enough to find a whole new group of committed players from a successful Youth set-up and get back up the divisions with a winning side. Chase Side Youth are a very successful set-up in the North London area, but it seems they don't feed their Under-18 players en-bloc into their Old Boys side for some reason.

You usually find that good quality Saturday players will play Sunday League football with their mates first and foremost, but invariably their mates are fellow current or ex-Semi-Pros who are playing for a successful Sunday side who consistently win trophies. If a Semi-Pro standard Saturday player is new to the area and is looking for a club, he will always look for a trophy-winning one ahead of a well-run club like ourselves who never win anything. We had a Spartan South Midlands player trial for us in a Pre-Season Friendly in August which we lost 6-1. He left straight away and joined a regular trophy-winning team in the Premier Division instead, albeit a very well-run one who also have a very successful Reserve side.



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Hughesvideo - great comments about the mentality of good players. "Trophy hunting" is a rife phenomenon in Sunday league football. Good Saturday league players rarely ever join mid-table Sunday teams. They always join top Sunday Premier Clubs where they KNOW they will win trophies with other semi-pro players. e.g. in the last few years Premier teams in the Hackney and Leyton League like Lapton, Clapton Rangers, Bancroft Utd and Eureka have constantly poached players from each other. When players don't get in the first 11, they just join another Prem team. They'd never think of dropping down to a lower Div team because they think it is "beneath" them.

The only way they will go to a lower Div is if they move to another league/Div as a group - so they are still playing with their semi-pro mates. After going through 2 seasons unbeaten with 100% records (in lower Divs), the league tried in vain to make Lapton move up several Divisions - but Lapton refused. They liked smashing teams in lower leagues by double digits. I recall reading a hilarious match report by one of their opponents who had lost 1-9 or so. They said playing Lapton was akin to "getting the most royal dicking since Charles slipped it to Camilla"! Sly

But "special" clubs like Baldon, Clapton etc will always get enough good players to run a successful reserve team because of their great reputation. I mean we have been debating on this forum since last year talking about their great successes! When you win London County Cups every year, it is not hard to convince people to play for you - reserves or not. Over the past few years, Baldon's firsts AND reserves have been winning trophies. In fact some of these teams have reserve teams so good that they put them in a different league in order to avoid having their 1st and 2nd teams ending up in the same Div!

I think youth teams are the way to go. That way you can bring a successful group of young players together into the first team, without having to put up with the idignity of guys who have only played playground football.


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I just heard that the reason they withdrew their first team is because they lost funding. In previous seasons, they got funding because the majority of the team were loyal lads from the Clapton estate. Now that they have become a "big" club and attract their players from all over the place, their sponsors withdrew funding as they are no longer considered a "local community" club.

That said, their Reserves are still playing in the East London Sunday Football League. Wonder what happened to all their first team players?


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I see that The Lounge beat Baldon in the sunday FA CUP it seems the lounge are a very strong side top of the Morden and District league as well with a 100% record.


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The programme stated that The Lounge are made up of Ryman Premier, Ryman One South & Combined Counties League players, but didn't say which clubs. They took the lead, before Baldon equalised. Then went 2-1 up in the second half. Baldon equalised, but their keeper let in a soft goal with not long to go, & added a fourth soon after. no red cards, but the game 'bubbled' a little. The Lounge deserved their win, looking a good side, who played with a smile on their face, it was as if they never doubted their ability. Baldon didn't play badly, & are a good side as people say. The Lounge could have a superb run in the Sunday Cup, as Holderness did last season.

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Ben Penfold

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Aaron Hays

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Thanks for the report Mishi. Seems The Lounge are a very good team who made a strong start to the season (4 games, 4 wins, 21 goals scored this season). Most of their players play for Banstead Athletic (Combined Counties League - Step 9), and Havant and Waterlooville (Conference South - step 5). Their Captain Matt Gray is an ex pro. Will be interesting to see how they get on when they play those really good teams from the Liverpool/Manchester area up north.

Bad few weeks for Baldon - knocked out of the LFA Challenge and FA National Cups in the first round. Back to the "bread and butter" of league football for them. Not surprised the game "bubbled" as you say. Seems every game with Baldon always has a rough edge. Their players do like a meaty tackle.

Anyone know how the other London teams got on? (Enfield Royals, Maccabi Lions, North West Neasden etc)


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Anyone know how the other London teams got on? (Enfield Royals, Maccabi Lions, North West Neasden etc)


You mean Enfield Rangers ? They beat London Maccabi Lions 5-1.
Neil Hughes (who plays for Enfield in the Essex Senior League) and Jackson Gash (ex-Hoddesdon Town) both scored two each.
That scoreline is no surprise on current form.

Waltham Sunday League Premier Division sides are also doing well in County Cups at the moment. Continental beat Panthea (from the KOPA League) in the London Sunday Challenge Cup, Upshire beat last season's Semi-Finalists Brush Rangers 2-1 Away in the Essex Sunday Premier Cup, and there is a game well worth watching this coming Sunday (24th October) in the Hertfordshire Sunday Senior Cup where Lea Valley Royals (who include ex-Norwich, West Brom & Leicester midfielder Lee Marshall) take on the current holders St. Josephs (South Oxhey). That game is taking place at Wormley Rovers F.C. 10.30.a.m. kick-off.

This coming Sunday also sees the Second Round of the London F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup being played, in which my team Edmonton Rovers take on Kensington Athletic from the Sportsmans Sunday League. We are unbeaten in our last three matches (which is very unusual for us !) and will be hoping to progress through to the Third Round and play either Charlton United or Cetinkaya Cinar.
Our fellow Waltham Sunday Leaguers Enfield Royals are Away to Faithfold, who are currently second in the Maccabi League Premier Division but have lost twice already. Enfield Royals are yet to win this season, but I predict a close game for that one.



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Yes I heard that the Lounge is made up of Banstead players as well, they also beat Hazelhurst (another quality side) 6-2 a few weeks ago but apparently it was a lot closer than that scoreline suggests.

Hughsie - Good luck on sunday in your cup match, hopefully you will get through and play either Charlton United or Cetinka that will be very interesting as will the next round be whoever gets through to play them. I personaly think that Cetinka will beat Charlton as they are not as strong defensively as they should be.

We are playing the team Gaziantepsor from Turkish second division and we are in good form having won 9-1 yesterday and they have won all there games thus far but i'm tipping us for a 3-2 away win!


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Hughsie - Good luck on sunday in your cup match, hopefully you will get through and play either Charlton United or Cetinka that will be very interesting as will the next round be whoever gets through to play them. I personaly think that Cetinka will beat Charlton as they are not as strong defensively as they should be.

I think that depends if Cetinkaya put Murat Karagul up front or not. When we beat them 1-0 in Pre-Season he was playing in defence, yet he has been banging in the goals for Broxbourne Borough and now Ware for several seasons now. Very good player, and they have others who play at Step 4 or 5 on Saturdays as well. I see they have not had a particulary good start to the season in the KOPA League though, but as we know, that is such a strong League.

My tip to win the London Sunday Intermediate Cup this season are F.C. Bickley. To be unbeaten at the top of the Senior Division (the top Division) in the Orpington & Bromley Sunday League means they must be pretty special as that is a very strong League. Again, it begs the question...what are they doing in the London Sunday Intermediate Cup ? Shocked



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The fact that you have beaten them will hopefully give you some sort of mental edge if you play them but as for Charlton they are now in the met senior division and are doing pretty well having won 3 although they lost their first game yesterday, the thing with them is they having attack minded players in virtually every position yet they always seem to concede even against weak teams so when they come up against teams that don't give away too many chances they don't seem to do as well, they prefer end to end games with lots of goals and they let you attack and kill you off on the counter many times it will be close between them and cetinka I feel it can go either way really.


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The programme stated that The Lounge are made up of Ryman Premier, Ryman One South & Combined Counties League players, but didn't say which clubs. They took the lead, before Baldon equalised. Then went 2-1 up in the second half. Baldon equalised, but their keeper let in a soft goal with not long to go, & added a fourth soon after. no red cards, but the game 'bubbled' a little. The Lounge deserved their win, looking a good side, who played with a smile on their face, it was as if they never doubted their ability. Baldon didn't play badly, & are a good side as people say. The Lounge could have a superb run in the Sunday Cup, as Holderness did last season.

Their team was:

Ben Penfold

James Deacons

Tom Jelley

Teon Hayward

Paul Hunt

Steve Tyson

Tyrone Roberts

Matt Gray (captain)

Luke Gay

Chris Lewin

Aaron Hays

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Dan O'Brien

Sam Robinson

Darren Woods


We played Banstead on Saturday. As far as I recall none of those players were in the starting XI and Banstead didn't field anything othr than a normal team according to one of their fellas. The report on their website doesn't mention any of them either.
I recognise a couple of names though. Luke Gay and Tom Jelley play for Epsom & Ewell.


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Hughesvideo - sorry yes, I meant Enfield RANGERS. BTW, are the Broxbourne Rovers who used to play in the Waltham League, the same team that played at semi-pro level on Saturdays? (and merged with Enfield)
Also, why don't Enfield Rangers enter the LFA county cups?

Bad draws for Maccabi Lions in the Challenge and FA National Cups. They got put to the sword both times - losing to the holders New Salamis 7-2 (Challenge Cup) and then 5-1 to Enfield Rangers. A cracking fixture in round 2 though: North London Olympians -v- New Salamis - on paper, should be a cracking game. Holders versus a form team. Shame one of them has to go out this early. Another good fixture is Rozikoparsso -v- Akincilar in what will be a battle of Turkish teams. New Salamis -v- NLO has to be the tie of the round though.

I re-checked The Lounge's website. 3 Saturday teams come up consistently among their players: Banstead Athletic, Havant & Waterlooville and Epsom & Ewell.


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Hi Steve what is the website address for THe Lounge, where did you get it?


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Hughesvideo - sorry yes, I meant Enfield RANGERS. BTW, are the Broxbourne Rovers who used to play in the Waltham League, the same team that played at semi-pro level on Saturdays? (and merged with Enfield)
Also, why don't Enfield Rangers enter the LFA county cups?

That will be Brimsdown Rovers you are talking about there. Yes, they had teams in the Waltham Sunday League for many years and we had some great games with their First Team in Division One and then the Premier in the late-90's and early-2000's. They were pretty much the top team in the League (along with Percival) before Enfield Rangers started to dominate, and they also regularly entered the F.A. National Sunday Cup...and the London F.A. Sunday Challenge Cup. They folded up their mens' Sunday League sides about 5 or 6 years ago...I don't know why...and now of course, their Saturday section from the Spartan South Midlands League have merged with Enfield in the Essex Senior League (as opposed to Enfield Town in the Ryman League) and the name 'Brimsdown Rovers' is no more. They also had a big Youth setup under the Brimsdown Rovers name. I expect that is now merged as well. Both Enfield Town and Enfield (1893) play at the Brimsdown Sports & Social Club (Goldsdown Road) though, which is Brimsdown Rovers old ground. Brimsdown's Sunday sides initially played on the main pitch, but when Enfield Town turned it into a proper stadium, they played on the outside pitches, which are very poor. Maybe that was a factor in Brimsdown Rovers' Sunday teams demise ?

Regarding Enfield Rangers not entering the London F.A. Cups, what happens in the London Borough Of Enfield is that some teams (like ourselves and Enfield Royals) choose to affiliate to the London F.A. and others (such as Enfield Rangers and a couple of teams from our Division that we share our home pitch in Palmers Green (N13) with..St. Mary's (Edmonton) and McKenzie Rangers) choose to affiliate with the Middlesex F.A. This can be done because Enfield is a London borough, but Enfield's postcodes are in Middlesex. Edmonton & Palmers Green are areas in the London Borough of Enfield but their postcodes are in London. However, the Middlesex F.A. allow teams to affiliate to them whose home grounds are in those London postcodes because Enfield is in Middlesex. Hope you are still with me there ? Sly

For most teams in Enfield, the choice of which County to affiliate to is based on where they prefer to travel for Away County Cup matches rather than the potential strength of the opposition. We have always affiliated to the London F.A. because most Away games are in East or South-East London, which is easy to get to from Edmonton. We prefer that to places like Hounslow, Staines & Harrow, which are much more difficult journeys. Enfield Rangers have always been affiliated to the Middlesex F.A., so I don't think they would change that now just to test themselves against the likes of Baldon Sports, New Salamis, etc. I think they are happy to just meet teams from other Counties in the National Sunday Cup.



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Holderness? I assume you mean Hazelhurst?Wink


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The programme stated that The Lounge are made up of Ryman Premier, Ryman One South & Combined Counties League players, but didn't say which clubs. They took the lead, before Baldon equalised. Then went 2-1 up in the second half. Baldon equalised, but their keeper let in a soft goal with not long to go, & added a fourth soon after. no red cards, but the game 'bubbled' a little. The Lounge deserved their win, looking a good side, who played with a smile on their face, it was as if they never doubted their ability. Baldon didn't play badly, & are a good side as people say. The Lounge could have a superb run in the Sunday Cup, as Holderness did last season.

Their team was:

Ben Penfold

James Deacons

Tom Jelley

Teon Hayward

Paul Hunt

Steve Tyson

Tyrone Roberts

Matt Gray (captain)

Luke Gay

Chris Lewin

Aaron Hays

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Dan O'Brien

Sam Robinson

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Doh! I knew it was an 'aitch'!



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Hi Steve what is the website address for THe Lounge, where did you get it?


http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/theloungefc

Just had a little peek at some of their players. Graeme Banyard (Merstham's manager) occasionally plays for them!
He used to be manager of Banstead so I'm guessing the club started out from there. The teams listed in the player's profiles don't always show the Saturday team the player is currently playing for but they've certainly assembled some decent players there.


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Here's the draw for the next round of the F.A. National Sunday Cup. (Sunday 21st November).
Tripimeni-Aris v. Enfield Rangers. That'll be a good one to watch.

The Lounge are Away to AFC Donsville...a team I for one have not heard of before.



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Interesting day today with all the LFA games, How did you get on Hughesy?, hope you won but if you did you will be playing Charlton United as they beat Centinkaya 2-0 so you will have to do it the hard way as usual from what you said previously. So will my side in the junior cup as we beat Gaziantepsor 6-3 AET but we will now have to play either Wounded Knee or Sandmere who I know both are half decent sides. Gazi are actually an ok side no outstanding players apart from one centre half who I reckon has probably played professionally at some stage (maybe in a lower turkish league?) he looked that good but they are quite aggressive, strong and I can see why they roll sides in their league but we aren't easily intimidated and eventually prevailed, but it was a very good game all-round. I see Chandler beat Abeerdeen supporters club 4-3 how did the game go? sounds like a thriller.


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Interesting day today with all the LFA games, How did you get on Hughesy?, hope you won but if you did you will be playing Charlton United as they beat Centinkaya 2-0 so you will have to do it the hard way as usual from what you said previously.

Yes, I noticed that Charlton United result on the KOPA League website.

We beat Kensington Athletic 7-0 and to be honest we should have even doubled that tally. I felt a bit sorry for them really as we had to switch the venue to Enfield Playing Fields from our normal Home pitch in Palmers Green because Enfield Council have closed it down due to a Legionaires Disease scare in the changing rooms. It was further for them to travel so they decided to get a tube to Seven Sisters then a train to Enfield Town...only the old bill had shut Enfield Town station for some reason. They then got on a bus but that took them about 3 miles away from the playing fields, then they got lost. We kicked off nearly 45 minutes late and they turned up with just a bare eleven. Apparently 5 of their players didn't want to travel because it was 'too far'. (We know how they feel, as we have already got players moaning about travelling to Charlton on the 12th December when they are supposed to be doing Xmas shopping with the missus in the afternoon. Unsure)
Even so, it was another example of a team from a lower Division entering the wrong Cup I think. It was far too easy for us. At least they had a laugh with us though and they can't wait to watch the highlights on You Tube !

Enfield Royals lost 6-3 to Faithfold, but that's probably no surprise on current form. The all-KOPA League clash between Pendayia v. Brotherhood was also switched to Enfield Playing Fields and was being played on an adjoining pitch to us. It went into Extra-Time and I saw Brotherhood score a couple of goals during that period.



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See I don't personally subscribe to that. Why enter the Intermediate cup (or indeed the London cup) and moan about travelling?? I don't care where I have to travel to as long as there is a game at the end of it, today we had an hour and a half journey to Edmonton the kick off was later it went to extra time and there were delays during the game, but that's just me I love my football!! It's an adventure going to different grounds/places than your normal league games. As for xmas shopping why not do it on a saturday? or after the football on sunday, or another day why does it have to be the 12th!! I would never miss a game to do xmas shopping!! admittedly I aint got a missus at the moment but even if I did, I wouldn't. Anyway, hope you beat Charlton but from looking at some of your vids this year and knowing Charlton I think you will do extremely well to get through.


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See I don't personally subscribe to that. Why enter the Intermediate cup (or indeed the London cup) and moan about travelling?? I don't care where I have to travel to as long as there is a game at the end of it, today we had an hour and a half journey to Edmonton the kick off was later it went to extra time and there were delays during the game, but that's just me I love my football!! It's an adventure going to different grounds/places than your normal league games. As for xmas shopping why not do it on a saturday? or after the football on sunday, or another day why does it have to be the 12th!! I would never miss a game to do xmas shopping!! admittedly I aint got a missus at the moment but even if I did, I wouldn't. Anyway, hope you beat Charlton but from looking at some of your vids this year and knowing Charlton I think you will do extremely well to get through.


Was your match at Pymmes Park this morning, Darney ? The Turkish Community Football Federation hire the ground from Enfield Council. The pitches are played on constantly by the local Turkish, Somali and Congolese communities and they are in atrocious condition.

I agree with you regarding players not wanting to travel for London Cup matches. It's a terrible attitude and as a Club Secretary it really makes my blood boil. We lost 9-0 Away to (now defunct ?) Croydon Irish in the late-90's (a team full of Ryman League Premier Division players) and a number of our players deliberately got p!ssed the night before so they didn't have to drive. We then didn't have enough cars, so that was their excuse to drop out.

As for the Charlton United match, we know they are a very good side as they beat an in-form Enfield Royals 5-3 in last season's competition, and if we play like we did in our first three League matches this season we will lose for sure. However, we have turned it round recently and are unbeaten in our last four. We know we are capable of giving anybody a close game if we get a near full-strength side out. I think we proved that against Nacional De Londres and Yavruvatan last season. Also, we beat Cetinkaya Cinar 1-0 in Pre-Season with a number of key players missing, although admittedly our keeper played a blinder !



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Hi Hughesy yes we played at Pymmes park today not great pitches to be fair but our home ground in Charlton is not much better being honest. I saw some of the other turkish matches and the quality varied shall we say ours was a very close game where we were behind three times before pulling it back to 3-3 then we managed to take the lead in extra time and killed them off in the end but they were a team that don't give up much like ourselves and it made for a very good game which to be fair could have gone either way. We would like to get to the final of this competition but I am aware there are still a lot of quality sides left in this cup.

When I eventually get round to managing a side myself I won't be putting up with attitudes like that of players that don't want to travel or play. To be fair none of our lads today really complained even though it was an 8.40am meet today and we had 16 players available which was good.

Yes I forgot you beat Nacional De Londres last season who looked very decent and I think there isn't much difference ability wise between them and Charlton. Its not so much that Charlton are unbeatable its just that they are one of those sides that always seem to get out of difficult spots and score goals even when they aint playing well, case in point they were 4-1 down two weeks ago and beat a very good Holmsdale side 5-4 in a league match and they do it quite often. So even if say you went 2-0 up against them and were on top the game is nowhere near over, they get goals from everywhere and virtually anyone in their side. They also rarely keep a clean sheet but rarely fail to score either. They also have a striker called Craig Brack (Snowy) who even when he seems he aint in the game will invariably score so watch out for him the guy is phenominal.


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Highlights of Edmonton Rovers' 7-0 win against Kensington Athletic in the London F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup Second Round last Sunday are now online here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHFef_4vOk

For other recent matches I have filmed, visit my You Tube channel here: http://www.youtube.com/user/hughesvideo
I am currently filming matches for Sutton United (Ryman League Premier Division) if anybody is interested. Wink

As I said before, fair play to Kensington Athletic. They didn't manage a single shot on target and we were always going to win by a big margin, even though we were actually missing 4 or 5 key players ourselves.
I don't know why they continue to enter the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup each season as they always lose heavily in the First Round (or Second Round if they get a Bye...as happened here). The London F.A. really must start looking at ways of ensuring that clubs go in the appropriate Sunday Cups that are a match for their ability and the division & League that they are playing in.

Here's a list of Sunday Leagues in the London area (on the right-hand side of this links page): http://www.walthamfootballleague.co.uk/links.html
If the London F.A. want a rough guide, I would say that all LFA-affiliated teams from the top division of the following 'strong' Leagues must enter the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup:
Cypriot (KOPA) League
Essex Sunday Corinthian League
Essex Sunday Football Combination
Waltham Sunday League
Turkish Community Football Federation
Hackney & Leyton Sunday League
Maccabi Sunday League
Metropolitan Sunday League
Morden Sunday League
Orpington & Bromley Sunday League
Sportsmans Senior Sunday League
Hendon & District Sunday League
In addition to that, the top Division Winners & Runners-Up in the following smaller/slightly weaker Leagues must also enter the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup (if they are LFA-affiliated clubs):
Camden Sunday League
Croydon Municipal Sunday League
Edmonton Sunday League
East London Sunday League
Kent Suburban Sunday League
London & Kent Border Sunday League (This used to be a strong League, but most of their better clubs now seem to have left and joined the Metropolitan Sunday League for this season ?)
Woolwich & Eltham Sunday Alliance

The LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup should then be strictly for Division One & Two teams in those 12 strongest Leagues (or in other words, the second & third highest-Divisions, as some Leagues don't call them 'Division One' or 'Division Two'), plus the remaining top Division teams in those other seven slightly weaker Leagues mentioned above, and the Winners & Runners-Up from the top division of the weakest Leagues that have not yet been mentioned.

All other teams (in the weakest Leagues or the lower divisions of the stronger Leagues) then go in the LFA Sunday Junior Cup, which they do in general at the moment anyway. It's the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup that is most definitely the problem, and I think it needs to be sorted out.

As for the LFA imposing compulsory entry for all Sunday teams into LFA Sunday Cup competitions (as the Herts, Middlesex & Essex F.A.'s do), that would be good if it happened, but there could be too many teams and it might be difficult to administer and get all the rounds played.
The Edmonton Sunday League actually don't allow any of their teams to enter LFA Sunday Cup competitions and never have done. There are 40 teams in that League and they are all London F.A. affiliated.

What do you think Stevegraze/Darney, etc. ?
Shall we start a campaign ? Wink



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I definitely feel that these London cups need to be organised, if that's the right word in a better way. However I'm not sure how they could do it effectively. As you say for teams like Kensington Athletic that enter the Intermediate regularly they should be put in the junior cup until they have proved in their results that they can compete at a higher level. It is only fair doing it that way as some teams can improve dramatically or get worse dramatically season to season and 'New' teams can be hard to judge their standard as teams are not always in the appropriate league they should be in. However if I look at the league my side competes in (Woolwich and Eltham Alliance Premier) I don't actually think there is any side in it good enough to compete in the Challenge cup at present, even the better sides. We are in the junior cup, we would probably do a bit in the Intermediate cup, I doubt we could win it but we definitely (in my opinion) aint good enough to go in the Challenge cup, nor is anyone else in our league for that matter (Charlton United now in the Met League). I think we won't go in the Intermediate until either A) We win the Junior Cup B) Get a mass influx of semi-pro players or C) Get to the final of the Junior Cup. Overall though I agree with how you rank the other respective Strong leagues and that those top teams go in the relevant cups, when it is patently obvious though that a team should be in the Junior cup and not the Intermediate then they should be refused that entry and in fact I believe that one club EY International were in this year's Junior cup but last year were in the Intermediate not sure if that was their own choice or the FA's though!


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I totally agree with all of the above, for example Highgate Albion 1st XI are a top side in the Hendon & District Sunday Football League. Every year they enter both the Sunday Middlesex County Cups and Sunday London FA Cups.

However, because the rules in Middlesex are more stringent they are forced to enter the Middlesex Premier Cup and because the Sunday London FA Cups have no rules they choose to enter the London Junior Cups, so supposedly they can get an easier ride to another trophy win (although they have not really done well in the junior cup).

So for the past 2 seasons they have entered the Middlesex Premier and London Junior Cups, this is after winning the Middlesex Intermediate Cup in 06 & 09'. I think this highlights how unfair the cups application system is and how allocating clubs to their right cups is necessary. Whats the point of having a Junior & Intermediate Cup if the best sunday teams are just going to downgrade themselves in search of an easier trophy? Thats the equivalent of Arsenal or Manchester United entering the FA Vase Cup.

So I reckon one of you 2 (Hughes/darney) should put a word in, you can be some sort of advisors to the London FA, how can they turn down a helping hand especially when it will allow them to do their job better and improve the whole Sunday cup system thus increasing everyones enjoyment



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Mr Hughes. Great points. You've done a great job of creating "co-efficients" for the various Sunday leagues in London. I agree with everything you said. It would make for much better competition if the LFA actually had rules for the Sunday cups rather than the current free for all where teams just enter any Cup they feel like. If champions of strong league were compulsorily made to enter the LFA Challenge Cup, it would make for awesome competition. Can you imagine e.g. New Salamis, Enfield Rangers, Baldon Sports, Lapton, Akincilar, Clapton Rangers, Aris, Yavruvaratan, NLO and Faithfold all in the Challenge Cup simultaneously?

That said, some of the "big" and well run Sunday sides start off in the Junior Cup, then move up to the Intermediate and Challenge Cups after winning the "lesser" cups. e.g. Aris won the Intermediate Cup 2 years running, then entered the Challenge Cup and won that 2 times in a row too. Albion Manor have always entered the Challenge Cup since they won the Intermediate Cup. Clapton Rangers worked their way up: won the Junior Cup, then Intermediate Cup the next year, and now enter the Challenge Cup.

Onto other matters. I wouldn't worry too much about Wounded Knee - average side.

What out for Faithfold and Yavruvatan in the Intermediate Cup.

Challenge Cup favourites have to be winners of New Salamis -v- NLO and Rizokarpasso and Akincilar. Why are those 4 giants playing each in the SECOND round?!


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Challenge Cup favourites have to be winners of New Salamis -v- NLO and Rizokarpasso and Akincilar. Why are those 4 giants playing each in the SECOND round?!


The NLO v. New Salamis match was played last Sunday a week ahead of the other matches...because NLO are also in the Middlesex Sunday Premier Cup on the same date. New Salamis won 5-3.

Have a look at New Salamis squad at the bottom of this page. Incredible really.
They have now signed up Ashley Taylor-Forbes, Jeff Hammond and Steven Velandia, all top-quality Ryman League players from the North London area to play alongside ex-Conference players Lee Protheroe, Grant Cooper & Michael Deane, who were all with them last season.
Several of the Greek-Cypriot players listed there have also either played in the Ryman League or professionally in Cyprus.

I will be surprised if there is any other Sunday League team in the Country with a squad as strong as that. It would be interesting to see New Salamis play in the F.A. National Sunday Cup, and with Baldon Sports already out of the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup this season, I can't see anyone other than New Salamis winning that particular competition again.

As for the London F.A. Sunday Junior Cup, watch out for the winners of the Enfield Crusaders v. Rolls Park match. They could well reach the Final. Rolls Park (from the top Division of the East London Sunday League) have one of our former players playing for them and they are previous winners of the competition, while Enfield Crusaders (from Division Two in the Waltham Sunday League) have signed up a lot of players from Cheshunt F.C.'s now-defunct Sunday side and they are much-improved this season. Some of those players have played for Cheshunt in Ryman Division One North.



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the lounge must be a good side to have won the league last year because i thought Hazlehurst were a good team when we played them in the surrey cup, they were full of conference south and ryman premier players and went very close to reaching the national cup final.

interestingly i think the regionalisation of the trophy is particularily harsh on the london clubs ( i know you can say the same for many areas of the country, im sure) and im sure if not for this format that there would be half a dozen or so making it to the last 16 imo. ( again im sure you could say this for a lot of regionalised FA comps)


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the lounge must be a good side to have won the league last year because i thought Hazlehurst were a good team when we played them in the surrey cup, they were full of conference south and ryman premier players and went very close to reaching the national cup final.


You've now got me wondering who you are. I can hazard a guess....
Hazelhurst actually beat The Lounge into second place in the league last year. They've been one of the top Surrey affiliated sides for a while now although Sutton Athletic won the Senior Sunday Cup three times in four seasons recently (beating Blackwater Valley in one final Wink ) as well as winning the Morden Sunday League a couple of times before switching to the Leatherhead Sunday League. Athletic don't enter the FA Sunday Cup as far as I know though.
I don't know if Webby's still involved at Blackwater Valley but when he and me were running the Jolly Farmer FC he always wanted to enter the FA Sunday Cup. I refused to put in the application because we'd often struggle to get players up in time to travel to Guildford let alone anyone furthur away!


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vp,

no, webby was part of the 'en mass' retirement of most of the older boys from sunday football, well from that level and commitment to sunday football anyway.

i hadnt realised Sutton athletic were still going in any shape or form, they were very good but ageing in comparison with Hazlehurst, again full of ex pro's and conference south players.

that final and last years semi final were a different level of sunday football altogether, akin to playing fleet town (when they were good!) or farnboro on a sunday morning and showed the strength of sunday fooball in Surrey fa as being stronger than its hampshire equivalent, for me anyway.


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The Lounge against New Salamis would be an interesting game.


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It would be great if New Salamis (or one of the other London clubs) could do well in the FA national Sunday cup. No london team has won it for nearly two decades! We won't know how good NS really are till they face the trophy machines from up north in the Manchester and Liverpool area. Those northern teams always dominate the national cup.

I note that one of NS' new signings is former Clapton Rangers striker Ashley Forbes-Taylor. He scored their goal in last season's Challenge Cup semi-final against Baldon. Given that he has already won the Intermediate Cup with Clapton, will he become the first player to win the Intermediate and Challenge Cups with different teams? (If NS win it again)


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Hughesy I see that your game against Charlton United has been brought foward to tomorrow, I trust that you will be recording the whole game? Anyway good luck I hope you beat them.


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Hughesy I see that your game against Charlton United has been brought foward to tomorrow, I trust that you will be recording the whole game? Anyway good luck I hope you beat them.


Yes, it's at the Meridian Sports & Social Club in Charlton SE7 8QS if anybody wants to come along and watch. Hopefully I'll have some highlights on You Tube later in the week anyway.
At the moment it looks like we will be fielding a reasonably strong side and we are hopeful of giving them a decent game.



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How did you get on Hughesy?


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How did you get on Hughesy?


We lost 3-2 After Extra Time after being 2-1 up at one stage.
It was a very open match with chances galore, but I think we have to admit that the better team won in the end. Our keeper made a number of excellent saves to keep us in it.
I hope to have highlights on You Tube by the end of the week and I'll post the link here when they are done.

After me saying that the Waltham Sunday League is one of the strongest in the London area, our teams haven't been doing too well in County Cups lately with several fancied sides getting well beaten in the Herts, Essex, London & Middlesex cups to teams they should be having a close game with. (You can view all our League's County Cup results here).
Also, Enfield Rangers crashed out of the National Cup today, losing 4-1 to Tripimeni-Aris...who 'only' beat Charlton United 4-3 in last season's LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup Semi-Final, which puts our result today into perspective as a pretty good performance considering we are a lower/mid-table side in our Division.
The Charlton United Manager said afterwards that they 'underestimated us'. Wink



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Unlucky then, I'm not surprised he made that comment I did say that they are quite cocky/arrogant (players and manager) but not many sides 'only' lose 3-2 to them or even take them to extra time in a cup game and I have to admit I didn't think you would run them that close. I look foward to the highlights later on. Do you think they look good enough to win it? considering the other strong teams that will still be in, I think they will probably get the semi's again at best. It still looks as though your league is one of the strongest despite some of your teams going out earlier than expected.


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Unlucky then, I'm not surprised he made that comment I did say that they are quite cocky/arrogant (players and manager) but not many sides 'only' lose 3-2 to them or even take them to extra time in a cup game and I have to admit I didn't think you would run them that close. I look foward to the highlights later on. Do you think they look good enough to win it? considering the other strong teams that will still be in, I think they will probably get the semi's again at best. It still looks as though your league is one of the strongest despite some of your teams going out earlier than expected.


It's a bit difficult for me to tell personally when I am watching the whole match through a viewfinder and concentrating on following the ball, but some of our players said to me afterwards that they thought the top four teams in our Division (Hop Poles, East Herts, AFC Cheshunt & Flamstead End...who we play again next week) are all better than Charlton United, which I did find a bit surprising I must admit.

Hop Poles are actually London F.A. affiliated but don't enter any of the County Cups, while only East Herts still remain in the Herts F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup. AFC Cheshunt lost 1-0 after extra time to the current holders last week, while Flamstead End went out of that competition on penalties. Those four teams are all totally different to Charlton United in that they don't throw players forward en masse and leave gaps at the back, but Charlton United's players had a lot more skill and pace and were more competitive and aggressive...very much like Baldon Sports in a way. There were a lot of very strong challenges flying about but it didn't get too out of hand even though the Referee was absolutely useless. In the last few seasons, the London F.A. have appointed Referees to a number of our Sunday Intermediate Cup matches who cannot speak a word of English and appear to have taken 'some sort of exam' abroad which they deem as suitable. I'm not knocking the Referee himself, but it's wrong that inexperienced Referees are put on such a fast-moving high-quality game just because it's 'Sunday football'. He didn't seem to have a clue what was going on 'banter-wise' between the players.
We had a Referee from Indonesia against Frenford Sunday in a London Cup match 4 years ago who made the players all line up in front of the camera and stand to attention 'Champions League'-style because he thought I was filming the game for live TV. He had never refereed a Sunday League match before !



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Yep sorry I was overlooking that you were obviously concentrating on the filming side rather than watching as a 'normal' spectator!! I did say to you that they were a side that were very attack minded and not very sound defensively (and they will come acroper because of it) and I would expect that the stronger sides left will beat them when it is a closer type of match (as yours was). True they are quite aggressive but not in a dirty way and from what people have told me Baldon receive a lot of yellow/red cards on a regular basis but along with Baldon I would say they are certainly amongst the very strongest sides in the south east but there aren't that many others as a lot of the teams from our leagues are already out of the county cups (and regularly are). I wouldn't have a clue how strong the Herts county cups are compared to the london equivalents??

I must agree that the standard of some sunday referre's is extremely poor I don't know how they 'grade' them for the leagues etc but some of them don't have even a basic understanding of football or how to ref but they seem to get in and in the premier divisions as well.


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Some other results from the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup Third Round today...

F.C. Bickley 11 Clapham Rovers 2 !!!
Brotherhood 5 Redbridge Jewish Care 0
Yavruvatan 0 Norton 2
New Convoys 4 Southgate Harmen 0

Still 4 more results to come.
It's the Quarter-Finals next. I think one Semi-Final will be Brotherhood v. Charlton United and the other will be 'anyone' v. F.C. Bickley.
It looks to me like those three are the strongest sides left in, although Norton beating Yavruvatan was a good result.



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Hugheshy, that quote about the Indonesian ref who "made the players all line up in front of the camera and stand to attention 'Champions League'-style because he thought I was filming the game for live TV" was absolutely classic! Hilarious! Sly

Very surprised at Enfield Rangers losing so heavily to Aris, and at Yavruvatan losing (they were in the final 2 years ago against Clapton Rangers).

The leagues that have come out looking strong from the recent County and National Cup results seem to be KOPA (New Salamis, Aris) and the Maccabi Jewish League (which we have not discussed, but which has good teams like Faithfold, North West Neasden and London Maccabi Lions.

With Baldon Sports and Clapton Rangers no longer in the competition, is there anyone left that can stop New Salamis in the Challenge Cup?



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The leagues that have come out looking strong from the recent County and National Cup results seem to be KOPA (New Salamis, Aris) and the Maccabi Jewish League (which we have not discussed, but which has good teams like Faithfold, North West Neasden and London Maccabi Lions.

That 'Brotherhood 5 Redbridge Jewish Care 0' was an interesting result though, as Redbridge Jewish Care seem to be the top team in the Maccabi League at the moment. Brotherhood are in the KOPA League and could well finish second to New Salamis this season looking at the current League Table. They are playing on the next pitch to us this coming Sunday at Hazelwood Sports Ground in Palmers Green (N13 5ST) if anybody wants to come over and take a look.

North West Neasden lost 4-1 at Home to Comets Sports Club (from the Berkhamsted Sunday League) in the National Cup yesterday.



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FC Bickley look the strongest side left in that intermediate cup now along with Greengate but I will tip them to win it. Norton beating Yuravatan is a massive surprise really but I don't see them beating any of those left in. As you say I can't see who will beat New Salamis in the Challenge cup and in the junior cup Yalova and Bari are looking strong as are Paul Birch FC. Just looking at your vids I don't agree that the top 4 teams in your league would beat Charlton United I think Cheshunt Corinthians would if they had their best side out but who knows unless they actually meet. Well done to Lounge on reaching the next round of the nationals.


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Here's the draw for the next round of the F.A. National Sunday Cup. (Sunday 21st November).
Tripimeni-Aris v. Enfield Rangers. That'll be a good one to watch.

The Lounge are Away to AFC Donsville...a team I for one have not heard of before.

I fancied Tripimeni-Arsi to win this one and they did not disappoint.

Enfield Rangers were second best for most of the morning but had their fair share of chances to cause the hosts problems.

Tripimeni-Aris will hope to have a stronger team out for the next round as they were missing several key players for this match.




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Highlights of the Charlton United v. Edmonton Rovers match are now online here.

Darney...you were right about Craig Brack. He was by no means their best player but he still scored two of their goals. Their winner was scored by Harbingi Grant. (Ex-Thamesmead Town and Enfield Town amongst others).
It was their midfield who were absolute quality though. Much fitter, quicker and sharper than teams we play in our League...Enfield Rangers and Cheshunt Corinthians included ! From doing a bit of Google Searching, it appears their No.9 played for Burnley Reserves a couple of seasons ago (see here), while their No.16 (Darryl Wheeler) & No.7 (Danny Beszant) are well-known Non-League players in the South-East London/Kent area I believe ? (Thamesmead Town, VCD Athletic, Erith & Belvedere, etc ?). I thought their No.4 (Scott Clarke ?) was a very good player. He looked older than the others and must have played at Ryman League level on Saturdays for somebody I would have thought ?
They were a lot better defensively than I expected. Certainly 'miles' better at the back than Nacional De Londres and Yavruvatan who we played last year. We created chances mainly because of good play by us, not from mistakes by their defenders.

We were fielding probably the strongest side we have ever put out in a London Cup match and we actually played above ourselves and were well pleased with our performance, but they were still too good for us, although we weren't too far behind them on clear-cut chances created, as you will see from the highlights. Our keeper (Simon Jackson) was obviously our Man-Of-The-Match though.

As for the question whether Charlton United will win the Sunday Intermediate Cup this year, I would say 'yes' from what I saw on Sunday, but it was interesting that they didn't bring on any substitutes until the last minute of Extra-Time, which suggests they might only have eleven players who are good enough for this level. If they start getting injuries, then they might be beatable.
Their results in the Senior Division of the Metropolitan Sunday League so far this season either suggest that they had a stronger side out than normal against us, or that League (and particularly that Division) is a very strong one, and even stronger than ours. I suspect the latter if Baldon Sports are in the top Division and do not have a 100% record.



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Yeah that's what I was saying about Craig Brack he can be virtually annonoymous in the game and then he gets two (sometimes 3) goals I've seen it so many times when I have either watched or played against them. Beszant is probably their best (and most cockey!) player when on form, I haven't seen many players with more skill and dexterity than him even at pro level, wheeler also is a very good player. Scott Clarke is older than most of their side I think he plays for them on and off though, I believe he currently plays for Bridon Ropes (Kent County league) on a saturday though I have no idea how old he is! I didn't know Theo played for Burnley reserves (how you found that out i'll never know) so that's pretty interesting to know but from looking at the highlights the side they had out is their 'normal' side minus one player - Michael Power who plays for Cray Wanderers and has been at Thamesmead Town amongst others, they chop and change weekly but only with equally good players. If they only had a bare squad it must have been a one off as they usually have a number of players that they can call on most of whom I would rate as of a decent enough standard. From what I know of them they have gradually built up their current side over about the last 4/5 years to the squad they now have.

I am pretty sure that the league Charlton are in is of a very high standard as I have played in the division one of the Met league and that is quite high and I have played against sides from the Met premier and that is certainly a tough division. I would even say that the league Charlton United are in now is of a higher standard than the Premier Division of the Woolwich and Eltham Alliance that they were in previously and won consistently with some ease. They are probably surprised themselves at the standard. I don't think they will win the league they are in though as the only team that has beaten them
(Golden Eagles) look to be pretty strong at the minute.


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Watched the video footage and it looked like a very good high quality game, however I've said it before and I'll say it again Conor McGovern, what a player!! Charlton United also look a very good side, no weak links.



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Scott Clarke is older than most of their side I think he plays for them on and off though, I believe he currently plays for Bridon Ropes (Kent County league) on a saturday though I have no idea how old he is!

Back in 1998 we played a team called Plumstead Rangers in the London FA Sunday Junior Cup on the playing fields over the road to the Meridian Sports Club (Charlton Park ?). Their Manager told me at the time that they all played for Bridon Ropes on Saturdays. Scott Clarke may well have been playing in that as he did look familiar. (I was filming our matches even way back then !). We beat them 4-3 but it helped having the likes of Glen Southam, Neil Tilley (Enfield & Potters Bar Town), Carlo Casali (Broxbourne Borough), Stuart Dorward (Hoddesdon Town), John Beasley (Hemel Hempstead), Treasure MacCarthy (Haringey Borough) and goalkeeper Shaun O'Neill (ex-Runcorn, Bishop's Stortford & Enfield...amongst others) in our line-up ! Smile Stuart Dorward is still playing for us and was our Captain against Charlton United (wearing No.5).



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Although the Quarter-Final results are not yet on display here on the London F.A. website, the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup Semi-Finalists are Pearscroft United, New Salamis, Akincilar and Ergazi. That's one team from the Sportsmans Sunday League, one from the KOPA (Cypriot) League, and two from the Turkish Community Football Federation.
Pretty much confirms what I was saying at the start of this thread that the Cypriot and Turkish Leagues are probably the strongest Non-Pyramid Leagues in London. The financial backing/sponsorship that these teams get make a massive difference I think.
It's Akincilar v. New Salamis in one Semi-Final. I think they are probably the two best teams left in. That one should be well worth watching !

In the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup, I predict the Semi-Finalists will be F.C. Bickley, Norton, Brotherhood (from the KOPA League) and Charlton United.

In the LFA Sunday Junior Cup, watch out for Enfield Crusaders (from the Waltham Sunday League). They beat Rolls Park (previous winners of this competition) 7-0 on Sunday and have got a few ex-Cheshunt (Ryman League) players playing for them. I would expect Yalova (another top Turkish team) and Red Star (Camden) to get through to the Semi-Finals though. Are Woolwich 90 your team Darney ? How do you fancy your chances ?

P.S. Edmonton Rovers latest highights are here. A cracking match against AFC Cheshunt, who are currently the best team in the Waltham Sunday League...Premier Division included. You will notice Gary Schillaci (a regular for Cheshunt in the Ryman League) is their Captain and Josh Slabber (brother of Eastleigh's Jamie) came on as a sub. The rest of their players are all ex-Step 4-7, as were most of ours. Very good standard.



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Great game against Cheshunt can't believe you let them nick the win! I think we (Woolwich 90) have a very good chance to go all the way in the junior cup but personally I don't see us getting any further than the semi's again at best. If we get through the next round in january I think we will possibly face Millwall Albion which will be tough. I think the winner of Greenhouse Bethwin v Yalova will get to the final and Paul Birch are a decent side as well so it will be difficult either way.


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Enfield Crusaders also look very strong having won 7-0 in every single round (x3) thus far so they must be favourites.


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Got to give credit to the Sportsman league for getting two teams this far, and to Fulham Utd for giving New Salamis a close game. I would have preferred Akincilar and New Salamis to be the final. Either team would be a worthy winner. Both teams are top of their respective leagues.


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We (Woolwich 90) are in the quarters of the Junior cup now and face the only other South London team left in it in Stanley Lions who I don't know a lot about. Enfield Crusaders seem to have hammered everyone they have faced so far and without conceeding a single goal thus far, has any team ever managed to win an LFA competition without conceeding a goal? They will be hard pressed not to concede a goal though as there are only strong teams left in the competition. Yalova play Greenhouse Bethwin this sunday in the only tie left of the last 16 games and I predict a close match with Yalova coming out on top eventually either via pens or extra-time. Then they will face Homerton Rangers and the winners of that will play the winners of our match. I see that Akincillar are top of the TCFF Divison 1 and Yalova are second so I would be expecting that Yalova can at least get to the final of the junior cup this year having reached the semi's last year.


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In the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup, I predict the Semi-Finalists will be F.C. Bickley, Norton, Brotherhood (from the KOPA League) and Charlton United.

Today's Quarter-Final results...

Convoys 3 Brotherhood 1
Greengate 4 FC Bickley 0
Morrisons 2 Norton 0

I couldn't be more wrong ! Crazy

Millwall Elite v. Charlton United is this coming Sunday (30th Jan.). Looks like Charlton United have only played one League match (and lost it) since they beat us in the last round. They could well get turned over here.

That is a very impressive result for Greengate. They must be the favourites now.



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I noticed that as well Hughsie!! I think you may get the clean sweep as well because as you say Millwall Elite may well turnover Charlton United as well. Also according to the report on Greengate's website they absolutely dominated their match with FC Bickley so they look pretty strong to go all the way. So far there have been 3 home wins and it could well be 4/4. I think at this stage of these LFA competition's 'Home advantage' does count psychologically somewhat if not because you don't have a home crowd behind you!. It happened in the quarters of the Junior cup last year at this stage as well (which I managed to predict) when the teams are evenly matched that home 'advantage' often helps.


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Good point about home advantage in London Cup matches, Darney. It can also result in players from away teams dropping out just because they don't fancy waking up an hour earlier on a Sunday morning to travel the other side of the river (or because they have things arranged for the afternoon and wouldn't be able to get back in time if they played the other side of London in the morning).
My team have always suffered badly with that, and looking at some of the LFA Sunday Cup results in all three competitions so far this season, I suspect a lot of clubs are in the same boat, even the better ones.

I see that most of Greengate's players play for Eton Manor in the Essex Senior League (Step 5) on Saturdays.
Again though, if they play in the FA National Sunday Cup, the Essex FA Sunday Premier Cup and are the top team in the top division of the Essex Sunday Corinthian League, why aren't they in the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup ? Still a bit unfair on Division One teams like ourselves I think...which is who the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup should be for.



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Also looks like "our" teams are out of the FA Sunday National Cup:

*Aris lost 0-1 to Northampton Duke of York (from Northamptonshire Sunday Combination)

*The Lounge (conquerors of the mighty Baldon Sports) were comfortably beaten 0-3 by Britannia United (mid table side in the Aylesbury Sunday Football Combination who have lost 3 of the 5 league games they have played this season).

These results make me wonder. Do we overrate our London/south-east clubs? Are we really "that good"? Our best teams like Aris, Baldon, Enfield Rangers, London Maccabi Lions etc get knocked out in early rounds. Year after year, our teams get brushed aside my teams outside London or from up north (especially). A team that is bottom of their league in Birmingham got into the 4th round! (further than our London teams). The usual suspects like Oyster Martyrs are already in the 5th round. Like I said earlier in this thread, no London team has won that cup for nearly 20 years!

Are the London teams simply big fish in a little pond?


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I think you are probably right although Hazelhurst from the Morden & District League made it to the semi finals of the FA Sunday Cup last season before losing narrowly to the eventual winners Hetton Lyons.


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Bedfont Sunday from the West Middlesex Sunday League have made the 1/4 finals this year and will face Comet Sports (who beat Belstone from the Harrow Sunday Challenge League in the last round). I believe there are still three Liverpool teams in the competition, so looks like they are the county to beat.


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Were New Salamis in the Sunday FA Cup this year how do they normally do? The results do seem to support the theory that teams up North are generally stronger than in London - overall. I can't think of why that should be the case really?? Maybe they take their football even sunday football a lot more seriously than the majority of sides in London do.

As for the LFA competitions I see that Millwall Elite did indeed beat Charlton United (so you got the full set Hughsey!) in the Intermediate cup today so who do you fancy for that now?


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Were New Salamis in the Sunday FA Cup this year how do they normally do? The results do seem to support the theory that teams up North are generally stronger than in London - overall. I can't think of why that should be the case really?? Maybe they take their football even sunday football a lot more seriously than the majority of sides in London do.

As for the LFA competitions I see that Millwall Elite did indeed beat Charlton United (so you got the full set Hughsey!) in the Intermediate cup today so who do you fancy for that now?

Unless they have recently changed their name to New Salamis, they do not enter the FA Sunday Cup.

It's possible that they have entered the competition under a previous name.


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Were New Salamis in the Sunday FA Cup this year how do they normally do? The results do seem to support the theory that teams up North are generally stronger than in London - overall. I can't think of why that should be the case really?? Maybe they take their football even sunday football a lot more seriously than the majority of sides in London do.

As for the LFA competitions I see that Millwall Elite did indeed beat Charlton United (so you got the full set Hughsey!) in the Intermediate cup today so who do you fancy for that now?

Greengate for the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup I think. However, my team have never played any of the four semi-finalists, so it's hard for me to judge really. Unsure I wonder what sort of side Charlton United put out against Millwall Elite ?

New Salamis have never entered the National Sunday Cup. As far as I am aware, Aris (Tripimeni-Aris) are the only team from the KOPA League to have done so.



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I would think that they put out as strong as side as possible as I am aware that they really wanted to go for the Intermediate cup again this year after getting to the semi's last year so I would think that they are pretty disappointed at not getting that far again, does anyone know what league Millwall Elite are in? as I have never heard of them before. I would agree though that Greengate seem to be the side that can win it this time, as for the Junior cup Quarters this coming weekend I predict the teams to emerge for the semi's will be Yalova, Woolwich 90, Enfield Crusaders and Red Star.


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does anyone know what league Millwall Elite are in? as I have never heard of them before.

They are pretty much the top team in the London City Airport Sunday League, but that is very much an inferior League to some in the London area. Only three divisions and not many teams in each.
I filmed the current leaders Lord Stanley in a League Cup Final last season. They were a decent side but definitely nowhere near as good as Charlton United, so Millwall Elite getting through against them is very much a surprise to me.

By the way, Enfield Crusaders are in good form in our League at the moment. Here's the current League tables. (They are second in Division Two with games in hand). However, some of their players play Futsal for F.C. Enfield on Sunday mornings in the National Futsal League and will probably be missing the LFA Sunday Junior Cup Quarter-Final this Sunday because of that. I believe one of them (Justin Dickinson) is actually an England International at Futsal.
One of our players also plays Futsal for F.C. Enfield and treats that as more important than 11-a-side. It's a bit frustrating that Futsal (an indoor sport) is played on Sunday mornings. You would think it would be better suited to midweek evenings ? Sunday morning teams lose a heck of a lot of good players to small-sided Leagues though, especially Powerleague. It seems playing 5-a-side in midweek on 3G Astroturfs is far more preferable to getting up on a Sunday morning to play 11-a-side.



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Been following this site for a little while now and found myself getting hold of information on the wareabouts of millwall elite. So went along to there quarter final against favourites charlton utd. Well let me tell you something now, Watch this space. Millwall elite were all over charlton utd and with 4 senior players missing from there starting line up made the football match look like a warm up game before a season starts. The result does not reflect on the game as they were 3 - 0 up with 5 mins to go and a dubiase penalty descision and a scrappy clearance gone wrong give charlton some pride.
Hughsie your predictions were spot on but watch out for millwall elite because they could well of slipped under the radar but have started to appear brightly right now. Also semi finalist 2 yrs ago but beat by the eventual winners eureka.

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Sounds like a good job my team didn't get through to face Millwall Elite yesterday then ! Our goalkeeper dislocated a finger in training and we had to put an outfield player in goal in our League match against Hop Poles yesterday...which we lost 5-2 because of that. (We gifted Broxbourne Borough forward Daniel Flint an easy hat-trick).
We probably would have let in 10 against Millwall Elite, as our keeper was by far our best player against Charlton United ! Shocked



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Also looks like "our" teams are out of the FA Sunday National Cup:

*Aris lost 0-1 to Northampton Duke of York (from Northamptonshire Sunday Combination)

*The Lounge (conquerors of the mighty Baldon Sports) were comfortably beaten 0-3 by Britannia United (mid table side in the Aylesbury Sunday Football Combination who have lost 3 of the 5 league games they have played this season).

These results make me wonder. Do we overrate our London/south-east clubs? Are we really "that good"? Our best teams like Aris, Baldon, Enfield Rangers, London Maccabi Lions etc get knocked out in early rounds. Year after year, our teams get brushed aside my teams outside London or from up north (especially). A team that is bottom of their league in Birmingham got into the 4th round! (further than our London teams). The usual suspects like Oyster Martyrs are already in the 5th round. Like I said earlier in this thread, no London team has won that cup for nearly 20 years!

Are the London teams simply big fish in a little pond?



In view of their win over The Lounge in a previous round I was expecting great things from Britannia United last Sunday but they were beaten 0-4 by Knighton Arms who weren't particularly impressive either. Bedfont Sunday looked more impressive when I saw their 2-1 win over Wonford United.

Are Baldon Sports not as strong as they have been in previous years?


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Any idea why Hazelhurst (from the Morden & District SL) didn't enter the FA Sunday Cup this season? I would have thought their run to the semi final last season would have whetted their appetite for more.


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Yes they have lost some of their best players this season and didn't feel that they would be strong enough in that competition this year and I can confirm that they aren't as strong as they were last year.


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I notice that the London F.A. Sunday Cup competitions for this season are now through to the Semi-Final or Final stages.

In the Sunday Challenge Cup, New Salamis are there again for the 4th time in the last 6 seasons and can rightly claim to be consistently the best Sunday side in London I would have thought ? Their opponents are Pearscroft United from the Sportsmans Sunday League on Sunday 10th April at Croydon Athletic F.C....presumably a 10.30.a.m. Kick-Off ? Anybody going to watch it ?

In the Sunday Intermediate Cup (the competition my team entered), it's Convoys v. Greengate in the Final to be played on Sunday 1st May at Wingate & Finchley F.C....again I assume a 10.30.a.m. Kick-Off ? Convoys beat Millwall Elite 2-0 according to this...which is another surprising result to some of us ! Shocked Convoys are in the third division down in the Metropolitan Sunday League and not exactly top of the table. I wonder why it is not up on the LFA website yet ?

In the Sunday Junior Cup, the Semi-Finals are being played this Sunday (6th March). Darney, I notice your team lost to Stanley Lions in the Quarter-Finals. What were they like ? They will need to play well to beat Yalova, judging by this.
As a Waltham Sunday League Club Secretary, I am hoping that Enfield Crusaders (from Division Two in our League) can beat Red Star Camden and get through, thereby enhancing our reputation as one of the strongest Sunday Leagues in the London area, although it will be a tough task for them I think. Red Star Camden also enter the Middlesex F.A. Sunday Premier Cup, although Enfield Rangers (our Premier Division Champions) beat them 6-1 in that.

Here are the rest of the teams in our League still left in County Cup competitions. Abbey Youth Old Boys are already through to the Essex Sunday Junior Cup Final and I think their Reserve Team have a chance of progressing as well. Asco (Herts Sunday Intermediate Cup Semi-Finalists) have the toughest task of the four teams left in. They are below my team in the current Division One table, but that shows you how strong that division is in our League.



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Yes we got beat by Stanley Lions but in all honesty (not sour grapes!!) they are not a good side and I don't think Yalova will have any problems beating them to be honest. Stanley Lions are quite strong on their own pitch and I believe they have only lost at home once in several seasons and that was a 1-0 loss recently to a team from the Met prem division in a cup match. However on the day that we played them we were one nil up and comfortabe until giving away a totally needless penalty it was very windy that day also and in the second half we were up against it as everything just kept coming back at us due to the wind and 2 of their 3 second half goals were wind-assisted. I had actually suggested to our manager before the game to go with the wind in the second half but we didn't do that and it cost us. We would beat that team 8 times out of ten on a 'normal' day I am positive about that. I think that some of my team did underestimate Stanley Lions before the match but there have been a lot stronger sides than them that we have beaten in the same competition so unless everything goes against Yalova on the day and I mean everything (ref, bad weather, players getting sent off or not turning up etc) then they will be in the final. In all honesty we would have been unlikely to beat Yalova either if we beat Stanley lions in my view. As for the other semi I have never seen either side play but I have a sneaky feeling that Red Star will get there but it could go either way of course.


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I certainly hope to get along to the Challenge Cup final at Croydon Athletic, great final last season between New Salamis and Balden Sports!


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Highlighting the stupidity of clubs entering whichever Cup they want to: you have Akincilar (top of the Turkish league) in the Challenge Cup. Yet, Yalova who are in the same Division as them (in 3rd place in the top Div) are in the JUNIOR CUP! Ridiculous.

Shame Akinciliar and New Salamis met in the semis. Would have been been a great final. We really need Aris, Baldon Sports and Clapton Rangers (if they can reform) to enter the Challenge Cup next year and give New Salamis a run for their money.


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Highlighting the stupidity of clubs entering whichever Cup they want to: you have Akincilar (top of the Turkish league) in the Challenge Cup. Yet, Yalova who are in the same Division as them (in 3rd place in the top Div) are in the JUNIOR CUP! Ridiculous.

Shame Akinciliar and New Salamis met in the semis. Would have been been a great final. We really need Aris, Baldon Sports and Clapton Rangers (if they can reform) to enter the Challenge Cup next year and give New Salamis a run for their money.




I totally agree, rather like letting Prem clubs decide if they want to go into the Champions or Europa League.

Any idea what's happened to Baldon Sports this season? They don't appear to be the force they have been in previous seasons.


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The spine of Baldon's team is still the same (half the squad from the Dolby family!), but Luke I'anson has not been playing this season. I guess he may be busy with commitments for his conference team? Not having him in the team is a big loss. If it was not for him, they would not have beat Clapton Rangers in last seasomn's Challenge Cup semi-final. Losing a player of that quality makes loads of difference. Baldon moved to the Metropolitan League this season and I think they are too strong for that league. They are undefeated in the league, 9 points clear at the top of the table and have won 11 of their 12 games so far. Sometimes when teams coast in their league, they find it hard coping with the sudden increased intensity of cup matches against top class opposition.

Feel sorry for clubs in the Junior Cup....having to play a Yalova team that have no business playing in that competition. Far too good.


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Yes I was at that Challenge Cup semi final with Clapton Rangers, quite a game!

I saw Luke I'Anson playing for Dover Athletic earlier this season, he's certainly a quality player.


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Enfield Crusaders managed to beat Red Star Camden 4-0 in the LFA Sunday Junior Cup Semi-Final on Sunday and are now through to face Yalova in the Final on Sunday 3rd April at Redbridge F.C.

We also had another Waltham Sunday League team reach a Final on Sunday with Abbey Youth Old Boys Reserves winning 6-2 in their Essex Sunday Junior Trophy Semi-Final Away to Snaresbrook. Stansted's Dwight Gayle scored a hat-trick.

That's three teams through to County Cup Finals now, so it's another good season for our League.
We also have quite a few teams (including Division One clubs) now competing on equal terms with Enfield Rangers, who are not running away with things like they normally do...unlike Baldon Sports appear to be doing in the Met League. Here are Enfield Rangers' results this season. They have lost 2 of their last 3 matches and should have lost the other by all accounts.



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It seems the team which is probably the best team in the South-East is Belstone FC who currently play in the Harrow Sunday Challenge League. They have set an unprecedented double by winning both the Hertfordshire Sunday Senior Cup and the Middlesex Sunday Premier Cup in the same season.

http://www.borehamwoodtimes.co.uk/...one_FC_make_history/

They've only lost one game all season and that was in the FA Sunday Cup and they beat the conquerers in the Hertfordshire Cup Final.

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Are you sure they are undefeated? Their Sunday team is only one place above bottom in their league!
http://www.football.mitoo.co.uk/...p;LeagueCode=HCH2010

Their wiki page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belstone_F.C.

They have played in the FA national Sunday Cup in the past few seasons as well.


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Yeah Steve I looked at that earlier, they are second from bottom in their league but Belstone FC have only played 4 league matches all season, most of their division are on their 13th, 14th or 15th match. They've only played 1 league match since September because they've done so well in the county cups.

They did lose their first game of the season but that was their first game of the season (we can put that down to rustiness) however since then they have beaten every team they've played only Comet Sports Club beat them in the FA National Cup Last 16 and Belston returned the compliment and beat Comet Sports in the Hertfordshire County Cup Final.

Comet Sports made the Semi-Finals of the FA National Cup before being knocked out by Paddock FC where ever they are from.



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Hi Hughsey I see that Yalova beat the team from your league (Enfield Crusaders) 4-0 in the Junior Cup Final which I must say I am quite surprised by. Did you video the game and if you did would I be able to purchase a copy from you?


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Yeah Steve I looked at that earlier, they are second from bottom in their league but Belstone FC have only played 4 league matches all season, most of their division are on their 13th, 14th or 15th match. They've only played 1 league match since September because they've done so well in the county cups.

They did lose their first game of the season but that was their first game of the season (we can put that down to rustiness) however since then they have beaten every team they've played only Comet Sports Club beat them in the FA National Cup Last 16 and Belston returned the compliment and beat Comet Sports in the Hertfordshire County Cup Final.

Comet Sports made the Semi-Finals of the FA National Cup before being knocked out by Paddock FC where ever they are from.



That must be some sort of record having played only four league games by March?Shocked

I saw Comet Sports win at Bedfont Sunday in the FA Sunday Cup and they looked a decent side. Paddock are from the Liverpool area.


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Hi Hughsey I see that Yalova beat the team from your league (Enfield Crusaders) 4-0 in the Junior Cup Final which I must say I am quite surprised by. Did you video the game and if you did would I be able to purchase a copy from you?


No, Enfield Crusaders weren't interested in having the match filmed, so I did an Under-14's Cup Final at Cheshunt instead. Thankfully I was up on the roof and not down at pitch level where the kids could run up to the camera and do Wayne Rooney impersonations....if they wanted to. Wink.

Thank you for telling me the result, Darney. Even though I am the Waltham Sunday League Website Secretary, that's the first I have heard of it ! Crazy Our League Officer who gets the results in is away on holiday, although I don't think Enfield Crusaders phoned the score in to anybody else anyway. Nothing on the London F.A. website yet of course.

Let's hope whoever is running the London F.A. Cup competitions next season 'forces' Yalova (and the other top Turkish and Cypriot League teams) to enter the Sunday Challenge Cup, which is clearly where they belong.



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Fair enough. If Belstone win their 10 games in hand, they will go 7 points clear at the top of the table! Can't see them winning all of them though. There will be plenty of double headers for them to play come late season...
They also have a Saturday team in the Herts Senior County League so I suspect some players play for both the Sat and Sun teams.


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I certainly hope to get along to the Challenge Cup final at Croydon Athletic, great final last season between New Salamis and Balden Sports!




New Salamis retained the cup beating Pearscroft United 2-1, super game and very little to choose between the two teams. I posted more detail on WDYG section.


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Thanks for the report Isaac. Sounds like Salamis were nearly dethroned.


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Yes very close game that could have gone either way, I hope the Sunday Intermediate Cup final on May 1st is as good.


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Well, after 8 consecutive championship winning seasons, history was made as Lapton failed to retain the Hackney and Leyton Premier League title this season. Lapton have won a division championship EVERY SINGLE season in the 8 (yes EIGHT consecutive titles) years since they were formed. This was the first year they did not win the league. I don't see the team staying together next season. Their players are trophy magnets and wont take this too well. Ah well, looks like another one bites the dust.

WHO will step up and challenge New Salamis?


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A similar thing has happened in the Waltham Sunday League, Steve. Enfield Rangers have missed out on winning the Premier Division title for the first time in seven years and didn't even reach a Cup Final !

I don't think they are any weaker than in previous seasons and there's certainly no sign of them folding. What's happened is that other teams in the top two Divisions have really strengthened their squads, as my own team have found out to our cost.
Upshire winning the Premier Division title this season was mainly due to them signing up Canvey Island striker Jason Hallett half-way through the season, who then went on to score 21 goals in just 10 appearances.

The Waltham League will be even stronger next season with at least two top clubs from other Leagues joining and probably being put straight into Division One or even the Premier.

Any chance of some teams from the Hackney & Leyton League entering the London F.A. Sunday Cup competitions next season, Steve ?



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Two things were behind Lapton failing to retain the title: (i) Their team got weaker. They lost several top players and those that remained have aged and after 8 titles, may not have the same hunger as previous seasons. The opposition did not improve, Lapton just got worse! They do not have the same number of quality hard as nails semi-pro ruthless players they had in previous years. Still - they were good enough to win 2 cup competitions! (ii) Secondly, their long-time manager Steve Gergis left the club. Gergis was the architect of the club's success and when they were formed several years ago - set a target of Lapton winning 5 consecutive titles. He led them on an incredible run that saw them go undefeated for the first two and a half years of their existence. I think they played about 40-50 league games before they finally lost a game.

I don't see any H & L teams of note entering the LFA Cups next year. The best sides have serious problems. Clapton Rangers withdrew from the league after losing their sponsor, their Captain and other star players to FC Metwin. FC Metwin have been banned by the league after a fight between their players and some opposition supporters! Albion Manor may enter the Challenge Cup, but quite frankly there are nowhere near the awesome side they were 4-5 years ago when they beat a mighty Aris and overcame the top Greek and Turkish teams to win the Intermediate Cup. I don't know why they insist on entering the Challenge Cup when the Intermediate Cup is probably more their level.


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Gents, the LFA has released the draw for this season's County Cups. Highlights:

*Hughesvideos' own Edmonton Rovers face former winners Albion Manor in the Intermediate Cup (Albion rightly re-entered the Intermediate Cup after a few seasons in the Challenge Cup).

*Yalova are in the Intermediate Cup (after last year's farce of them quite frankly p***ing over outclassed teams in the Junior Cup). They face Enfield Crusaders.

*Very good Challenge Cup this year with New Salamis, Aris, Baldon, Pearscroft (last year's beaten finalists), Greengate (winners of the Intermediate Cup), North London Olympians, Akincilar, Panthea, Eltham Town and Clapton Rangers in the competition (I don't think this is the same Clapton Rangers team as in previous seasons though). Several teams there strong enough to give New Salamis a tough test. This is the strongest Challenge Cup on paper that I can remember for some years. Gents, have we finally got our wish to see "the best of the best" in the Challenge Cup? ...and no more nonsense of semi-pro teams competing in the Junior/Intermediate Cups?

*Former H & L League champs Lapton make their LFA debut in the Intermediate Cup. Quite frankly they made this step 3-4 years too late as the team is past their best. Would have been much better seeing them a few years ago when they were at their peak.


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Re: [stevegraze] 2011/2012 LFA Sunday Cup Draws [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

You beat me to it, Steve ! Wink
Just spotted the draw earlier this afternoon.

So...what are Albion Manor like now then ? Sounds like a tough game for us.

I notice Lapton are at Home to Kensington Athletic. That should be fairly easy for them I would have thought...judging by this.



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Albion Manor finished in the bottom half of the table last year and have been in decline for the past 5 years. There are nowhere near the team they were when they won the Intermediate Cup (victims of their own success - their best players got poached). Edmonton Rovers have a good chance. You are playing a fading force.

Ditto Lapton. Had Kensington Athletic played Lapton a few years ago, any result other than a double digit win for lapton would be inconceivable. However Lapton's manager has left the club and a lot of their players are veterans. They are still physically strong, but again - not the side they were a couple of years ago. Shame they never entered LFA competitions at their peak as Lapton -v- Baldon would have been an X-Rated, blood and thunder nail biter (although it would also have ended up 8 a side given how both teams like crunching tackles!).

Oh, and your number 8 dived to win the penalty in that vid! ;-) The number 10 winger looked very swift.

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You beat me to it, Steve ! Wink
Just spotted the draw earlier this afternoon.

So...what are Albion Manor like now then ? Sounds like a tough game for us.

I notice Lapton are at Home to Kensington Athletic. That should be fairly easy for them I would have thought...judging by this.



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Hi all, I'm the manager of the London Aberdeen Supporters team. Was good to get your info last season when we were in the Sunday Intermediate, we went out in round 2 after blowing a 2-0 lead against Chandler Athletic. We are in the Sunday Junior Cup this year. We have drawn Ferndale of the West End AFA in the first round. Seems like they had a good season last year finishing 2nd in their league. Anyone know them and how strong they are likely to be or how strong that league is?

Good luck all in the London Cups this year.


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The FA National Cup draw is also out. New Salamis, Aris, Greengate (winners of the LFA Intermediate Cup) and Sungate (winners of Greengate's league) are in the draw:
http://nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=351170;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;guest=44012353

New Salamis are playing an Asian team called Bari who have entered the Essex Sunday Corinthian League this year (same league as Greengate and Sungate). Bari are also in the LFA Intermediate Cup. In the Intermediate Cup, I'd keep an eye on them and Yalova.

Greengate and FC Bickley are playing each other in the 1st round of the Challenge Cup after meeting in the QF of last year's Intermediate Cup. They might get sick of the sight of each other...

If teams play to form and the favourites get through we will see some utterly cracking games this year:Cool

*New Salamis -v- North London Olympians or Clapton Rangers
*Greengate -v- Akincilar
*Aris -v- Pearscroft United

Baldon look like they have a "home run" into the QF.


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New Salamis in the National Cup ?! About time to ! It's going to be very interesting to see how far they can get. Smile
Bari have been playing in the London FA Sunday Intermediate or Junior Cups for a number of years and never really got anywhere as far as I can remember. I can't see New Salamis losing to them.
FC Tripimeni (aka Aris) are playing Upshire, the Premier Division Champions from our League,