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Dylan's Dad
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Does anyone know what it is? The lowest crowds listed in the records section of the FL website all involve at least one team that's no longer in the League......



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I have no definitive answer. Here's one to beat, however: Doncaster Rovers v Rochdale 9/12/97 580


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That was in the LDV Vans Trophy, though (or whatever it was called that year), not in the League.........



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Until someone compiles an all time list of three figure attendances to refer to this "record" will be hard to monitor as it will be constantly changing
as teams go in & out of the top four tiers. If Workington returned it would be all change, if Torquay drop out this season the same again,
what about Exeter who have been out and are now back in but flirting with going out again.
Just for starters - a figure to beat - 962 Rochdale v Bournemouth 12th November 1977


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According to the attached, the lowest for an existing FL club is 588 for Rochdale vs Cambridge United in Division 3 on 5/2/74

http://www.fl125.co.uk/...s/league-attendances


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Just for starters - a figure to beat - 962 Rochdale v Bournemouth 12th November 1977



849 Wimbledon v Rotherham 29/10/02 in Division One (then second tier!)


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Can offer 804 for Hartlepool v Colchester played on 2nd May 1983. Played on a bank holiday as well incidentally.


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Good find, I think that was played on a midweek afternoon due to the "three day" week (power restrictions) when no floodlights were available


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Even that figure was inflated by season ticket holders, that were not present, being included in the figure
The following week (Tues 5th Nov) the same teams met in the League Cup (also at Selhurst Park)
The hosts (who already had the lowest Premiership "record" - 3,039 v Everton (26 Jan 1993)
could not include season tickets in the League Cup attendance figure, so got desperate.
They made all of the media (of which there were many more than normal) go through the turnstiles (although not being able to charge them)
and announced after the match as 664 being the figure - cue much hilarity in the press room and much indignation from their press officer!
What they did not realise that we had been head counting and the general consensus was that the attendance had been doubled
Rotherham did not bring many for a midweek match at a ground they had visited only the week before
and this was the first season of A.F.C. Wimbledon set up in protest at the proposed move to Milton Keynes, so few "home" fans remained
Therefore the "official" league cup low remains as 612 for Halifax v Tranmere at Bradford City on 6 Sept 2000 when The Shay lights were being renovated


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And after the headcount we ended up in the pub during the game, with several of the Rotherham supporters that did make it down but decided not to go in.


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Can offer 804 for Hartlepool v Colchester played on 2nd May 1983. Played on a bank holiday as well incidentally.


Hartlepool v Stockport - Div 4 - 5th May 1984. Attendance 790.

http://www.poolstats.co.uk/records/att1.htm#hb

There were loads of sub 1000 attendances in Division 4 in the mid 80s. I seem to remember the likes of Halifax, Rochdale and maybe Stockport getting them quite often.

I found this on Chesterfield's site: "Several attendances from Chesterfield Town's time in the Football League were reckoned to number less than 1,000. An estimated 500 watched the home match with Bolton Wanderers on December 6th, 1899, while only 550 were estimated attended Chesterfield Town's match at Loughborough on April 16th, 1900."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/...amp;client=firefox-a

I know you can't count Chesterfield Town as a current league club but it shows how few people watched some of those games back then. They can't have been the only ones.

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Bugger - I've just remembered Stockport aren't a league side anymore so the 790 goes out of the window! #KeepUpAtTheBack


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Even that figure was inflated by season ticket holders, that were not present, being included in the figure
The following week (Tues 5th Nov) the same teams met in the League Cup (also at Selhurst Park)
The hosts (who already had the lowest Premiership "record" - 3,039 v Everton (26 Jan 1993)
could not include season tickets in the League Cup attendance figure, so got desperate.
They made all of the media (of which there were many more than normal) go through the turnstiles (although not being able to charge them)
and announced after the match as 664 being the figure - cue much hilarity in the press room and much indignation from their press officer!
What they did not realise that we had been head counting and the general consensus was that the attendance had been doubled
Rotherham did not bring many for a midweek match at a ground they had visited only the week before
and this was the first season of A.F.C. Wimbledon set up in protest at the proposed move to Milton Keynes, so few "home" fans remained
Therefore the "official" league cup low remains as 612 for Halifax v Tranmere at Bradford City on 6 Sept 2000 when The Shay lights were being renovated


And there's the rub. You're never going to get to the bottom of the lowest actual crowd, but you can determine the lowest declared crowd figure. Without standard methods of calculating the latter, ranging from a complete head count to a totally made up number, the lack of comparing like with like makes comparisons of one figure with another pretty meaningless.


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According to the attached, the lowest for an existing FL club is 588 for Rochdale vs Cambridge United in Division 3 on 5/2/74





You beat me to it. Hopefully this will shortly become the record low for a game involving 2 current FL teamsCool


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I thought that Stockport v Leicester(?) attracted just 13 to Old Trafford at some point in the past??
Wait til County come back in to the league and the question will be valid.
I guess Leicester probably would have played in front of the smallest league crowd by any current league side??
Unless any grounds have been closed due to previous crowd trouble?



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I thought that Stockport v Leicester(?) attracted just 13 to Old Trafford at some point in the past??
Wait til County come back in to the league and the question will be valid.
I guess Leicester probably would have played in front of the smallest league crowd by any current league side??
Unless any grounds have been closed due to previous crowd trouble?


The Stockport v Leicester game was played at Old Trafford after Edgeley Park was closed after previous crowd trouble.

It was played immediately following Man U v Derby so although only 13 paid to watch the Stockport game, a couple of thousand were estimated to be present. The rest having stayed on after watching the Man U game.



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According to the attached, the lowest for an existing FL club is 588 for Rochdale vs Cambridge United in Division 3 on 5/2/74





You beat me to it. Hopefully this will shortly become the record low for a game involving 2 current FL teamsCool


The number of people in attendance at that game was (apparently) announced as 450. The 588 figure included season ticket holders.
There's a discussion about it here - http://planetswans.fansnetwork.co.uk/...needed/#.U0cK3Fe9ZPc


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According to the attached, the lowest for an existing FL club is 588 for Rochdale vs Cambridge United in Division 3 on 5/2/74


You beat me to it. Hopefully this will shortly become the record low for a game involving 2 current FL teamsCool


The number of people in attendance at that game was (apparently) announced as 450. The 588 figure included season ticket holders.
There's a discussion about it here - http://planetswans.fansnetwork.co.uk/...needed/#.U0cK3Fe9ZPc


The Times gave the crowd as 450 (est.).



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742 - Rochdale v Torquay 29/4/78

Unfortunately, you will need to find a new answer next month.


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2,007 for Preston v. Scunthorpe on Tuesday 5th November 1985, played in the afternoon due to floodlight problems at Deepdale may well be a record low for any FL ground that has staged top flight football.
(Wimbledon is a different matter as they were using Selhurst Park when they got lower crowds.)


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2,007 for Preston v. Scunthorpe on Tuesday 5th November 1985, played in the afternoon due to floodlight problems at Deepdale may well be a record low for any FL ground that has staged top flight football.
(Wimbledon is a different matter as they were using Selhurst Park when they got lower crowds.)

Don't forget Wimbledon played at Plough Lane in the old 4th Division right through to the old 1st Division, crowds of 1440 vs Hartlepool and 1603 vs Scunthorpe (again) in their first season in the League, 1977/78, spring to mind,


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Burnley v Hartlepool 1,506 31/1/87


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surprised nobody has looked back in history. west brom's early league attendances were generally very poor, especially at stoney lane. they had many attendances around or below the 1000 mark in the top division (div 1). cup games were much better attended. a few examples...

03/11/1890 v Bolton lost 4-2 att: 1506
29/11/1890 v Derby lost 4-3 att: 405
07/03/1891 v Accrington won 5-1 att: 800

...i'm sure most records will be pre-WW1, even pre-Boer, although the figures are not FL verified (1926 i think they started doing this).


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2,007 for Preston v. Scunthorpe on Tuesday 5th November 1985, played in the afternoon due to floodlight problems at Deepdale may well be a record low for any FL ground that has staged top flight football.
(Wimbledon is a different matter as they were using Selhurst Park when they got lower crowds.)

Don't forget Wimbledon played at Plough Lane in the old 4th Division right through to the old 1st Division, crowds of 1440 vs Hartlepool and 1603 vs Scunthorpe (again) in their first season in the League, 1977/78, spring to mind,


19/3/85 Northampton v Chester 942



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742 - Rochdale v Torquay 29/4/78

Unfortunately, you will need to find a new answer next month.



Of course, as you would know Jon, we did get a 625 I think but that was the LDV Group Associate Sherpa Leyland Van Cup Trophy and of course not what the OP wanted, Wanted to add it though.


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2,007 for Preston v. Scunthorpe on Tuesday 5th November 1985, played in the afternoon due to floodlight problems at Deepdale may well be a record low for any FL ground that has staged top flight football.
(Wimbledon is a different matter as they were using Selhurst Park when they got lower crowds.)

Don't forget Wimbledon played at Plough Lane in the old 4th Division right through to the old 1st Division, crowds of 1440 vs Hartlepool and 1603 vs Scunthorpe (again) in their first season in the League, 1977/78, spring to mind,


19/3/85 Northampton v Chester 942


Chester are not in the Football League and neither will Northampton be soon.



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