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Yatesman
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So the Change UK leader Heidi Allen was not allowed to appear on Have I Got News For You last night as it might have breached impartiality guidelines ahead of the EU elections. Yet Nigel Farage was allowed to be on Question Time the night before, and is on the Marr show tomorrow. How's that fair and impartial?


Its perfectly fair if you believe that the BBC , the state broadcaster, should give equal airtime to the differing protagonists in the run up to an election.

As for plucking g Farage's QT and Marr appearances in isolation , that seems ridiculously simplistic and naive to think that is at all comparable as his appearance would have been factored in to the BBC's overall political coverage of the EU election.

FYI the overall QT representation is emphatically pro-Remainers according to some recent statistics for appearances I saw......That buffoon Ken Clarke has nearly 60 appearances to his name . That risible rocket Vince Cable also has approaching 60 appearances. That disingenuous harpy, Anna Soubry has over 40 appearances........and on it goes. The fantasist Green Party woman has far more appearances than her status would merit.......and on it goes!!!

Anyway the BBC have said the programme featuring Heidi Allen will be aired after May 23 so I really see your objection as faux outrage


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How much more airtime are they going to give Farage spouting his bullshit and lies on the BBC and Question time?
If its not him then its his UKIP cronies




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(This post was edited by Towlawtom on May 11, 2019, 8:16 PM)


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This growth of Farage's Brexit party at the expense of the Tories isn't all bad news though.

The latest poll gives Labour a 137 seat majority at Westminster.

Now if the Brexit Party and Tories really did destroy each other it would be a fitting epitaph for Brexit.


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This growth of Farage's Brexit party at the expense of the Tories isn't all bad news though.

The latest poll gives Labour a 137 seat majority at Westminster.

Now if the Brexit Party and Tories really did destroy each other it would be a fitting epitaph for Brexit.


I’d be astonished if the Brexit Party got even 5 seats at the next general election, certainly not the 49 suggested by the opinion poll. However, they are very likely to take enough votes off the Tories to let Corbyn slither into Downing Street.

Three observations on this;
1. Cameron’s main objective in calling the referendum was to deal with the EU issue once and for all and stop the rise of UKIP - this has obviously failed (OK UKIP is dead, but Brexit Party is UKIP mark 2).
2. The Tory MP’s are out-of-step with their constituents and certainly their party supporters on Brexit. The Tory voters will feel let down that their party hasn’t delivered on the referendum
3. Why in God’s name would Corbyn do a Brexit deal with May if anything like these polls were correct?


(This post was edited by 007Dale on May 12, 2019, 5:54 AM)


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3. Why in God’s name would Corbyn do a Brexit deal with May if anything like these polls were correct?



There was never any chance of May making any concessions necessary to do a deal with Corbyn ... well not until the Farage Party got going.

But it's now too late for her.

She and the Tories have blown it big time.


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Quite shocking to see Guy Verhofstadt swanning around with his UK stooge the risible Vince 'Bollocks to Democracy" Cable.

The Lib Dems........Neither liberal or Democratic.
Labour........Detests the UK working class
Conservatives........begging us to back their surrender deal to the EU
Greens...........supporting the globalist, expansionist self serving EU
Change UK.........wants to change f-all
SNP........, The get independence then join EU to lose independence party
The Brexit Party.........honest, direct, does what it says on the tin.

I must make a decision on who to vote for soon......so much choice!


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Quite shocking to see Guy Verhofstadt swanning around with his UK stooge the risible Vince 'Bollocks to Democracy" Cable.

The Lib Dems........liars.
Labour.......middle class liars
Conservatives.......rural liars
Greens...........environmental liars
Change UK.........confused liars
SNP........, in out shake it all about liars
The Brexit Party.........Loudmouth liars
Ukip.......... xenophobic liars

I must make a decision on who to vote for soon......so much choice!


Corrected for you.


Yatesman
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Quite shocking to see Guy Verhofstadt swanning around with his UK stooge the risible Vince 'Bollocks to Democracy" Cable.

The Lib Dems........liars.
Labour.......middle class liars
Conservatives.......rural liars
Greens...........environmental liars
Change UK.........confused liars
SNP........, in out shake it all about liars
The Brexit Party.........Loudmouth liars
Ukip.......... xenophobic liars

I must make a decision on who to vote for soon......so much choice!


Corrected for you.


You did indeed!... Thank you!


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The Brexit Party.........honest, direct, does what it says on the tin.

I must make a decision on who to vote for soon......so much choice!


A party with

no membership
no structure
no manifesto
no constitution

A one man party led by someone who ‘boasted about his NF initials and sang “gas them all” ‘
https://www.independent.co.uk/...ollege-a7185236.html

and harboured “racist” and “fascist” views
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...acist-schoolboy.html


(This post was edited by PaulC on May 12, 2019, 10:32 PM)


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More lies yesterday from Farage saying the UK people never voted for a deal. Well he certainly did as he was advocating a Norway style deal.
Also Denying that he was advocating another referendum in the event of a Brexit narrow defeat when he stated it would be unfinished business.

This guy is a lying spiv and I would need to check the calender if he told me today was Monday!



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Yatesman
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I'm not a fan of Farage myself but that doesn't prevent me from supporting Brexit.

Why would it?

There are 16million remain voters.

I don't believe for a minute all 16million are paragons of virtue. Is Tony Blair, arch remainer and war criminal and responsible for the deaths of 1000's of innocents not a lying and odious person?
Is lying Nick Clegg, who sold his soul for a seat of power, then sold out to Facebook , a paragon of virtue?


Your criticisms of The Brexit Party are hollow.

None of those Issues you list are even issues.
What do they matter , especially in the context of this EU election.

Their raison d'etre is clear , concise and unambiguous and the result of the failure of all those virtuous and honest politicians you admire so much who are selling our democracy down the swanee.

Farage is a prick, but his party is the only hope to save democracy and win back Brexit........what a sad state of affairs, eh?

And a true indicator of the abject failure and ineptitude of the current political class and structure......
The Times They Are a Changin'


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I'm finding it hard to resist invoking Godwin's Law.


(This post was edited by PaulC on May 13, 2019, 7:52 AM)


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Do you intend to vote in the EU election Yatesman?

You've previously said that you'd spoil your vote in another EU Referendum, but with the current showing, per opinion polls, of the Brexit party, I'd have thought your best chance of Brexit being achieved is if there is such a big win for Farage and Co on 23 May that it frightens the two main parties into enacting Brexit.

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Yatesman
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I'm finding it hard to resist invoking Godwin's Law.


Invoking Godwins Law would be an admission that your argument is failed.

My historical knowledge and comprehension is excellent.

The situation we face today is in no way comparable to anything that has occurred previously so let's just stick to debating the relevant situation rather than your usual emotive , project fear based musings and desperate mud slinging.


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Do you intend to vote in the EU election Yatesman?

You've previously said that you'd spoil your vote in another EU Referendum, but with the current showing, per opinion polls, of the Brexit party, I'd have thought your best chance of Brexit being achieved is if there is such a big win for Farage and Co on 23 May that it frightens the two main parties into enacting Brexit.

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Yes I fully intend to vote in the EU elections.

I fully intend to spoil my ballot paper if the EU stooges stage a 2nd in-out referendum......or derivative thereof!


(This post was edited by Yatesman on May 13, 2019, 10:27 AM)


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I'm finding it hard to resist invoking Godwin's Law.


Invoking Godwins Law would be an admission that your argument is failed.

My historical knowledge and comprehension is excellent.

The situation we face today is in no way comparable to anything that has occurred previously so let's just stick to debating the relevant situation rather than your usual emotive , project fear based musings and desperate mud slinging.


LOL!

"Nigel Farage likens Brexit deal to Treaty of Versailles that drove Hitler’s rise to power"
https://www.independent.co.uk/...hitler-a8841586.html


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I'm finding it hard to resist invoking Godwin's Law.


Invoking Godwins Law would be an admission that your argument is failed.

My historical knowledge and comprehension is excellent.

The situation we face today is in no way comparable to anything that has occurred previously so let's just stick to debating the relevant situation rather than your usual emotive , project fear based musings and desperate mud slinging.


LOL!

"Nigel Farage likens Brexit deal to Treaty of Versailles that drove Hitler’s rise to power"
https://www.independent.co.uk/...hitler-a8841586.html



Lol....

Not exactly Sherlock are you!

Try re reading the article. I think you'll find it was the Independant who mentioned ed Hitler........not Farage.


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Unfortunately, he's a formidable campaigner on the EU and the Remain camp in England and Wales seem cackhanded, disunited and disorganised.

This morning I listened to Tom Watson on the Today programme "clarifying" Labour's position. To me it sounded completely out of touch with reality. They seem to want to appeal to both Remain and Leave and end up with something complicated and incoherent.

Farage is keeping it stark and simple.

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The reason Farage is still relevant is because our current prime minister is not.

May was charged with agreeing a deal which she could get through parliament. At no time did she consult even her own MPs to see what they would or would not support. Had Brexit been achieved in any form, then there would be little scope for a Brexit or UKIP party saying the voters have been betrayed. The voters said Brexit, but only that Brexit meant Brexit. They did not vote for or against Norway+, customs union or any other device.

I am still amazed that the party can come out with statements such as Ms Widdecombe's

[quote=radio 4 tweet]Ann Widdecombe claims a no-deal Brexit would be "nothing compared to the sacrifice" made in WW2 "to ensure Britain's freedom"


This is not a basis for advocating no-deal. We were told Brexit would be good for Britain, so we expect that to be achieved. No way should we be voting for a party who wants to deliver something involving a sacrifice that was not as bad as WWII.

The success of Brexit in the polls is entirely down to the failure of the government to deliver their promises. To those who see the European elections as only being on the Brexit issue, and who want Brexit, the parties, past and present of Farage appear to be the only options.



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I expect that any sacrifice resulting from Brexit would be borne by us, not Ms Widdecombe or Mr Farage. Those MP & MEP pensions can insulate against a deal of pain.

Strangely, "sacrifice not as bad as WW2" wasn't a slogan chosen to go on the side of on the Big Red Brexit Bus in 2016.

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I expect that any sacrifice resulting from Brexit would be borne by us, not Ms Widdecombe or Mr Farage. Those MP & MEP pensions can insulate against a deal of pain.

Strangely, "sacrifice not as bad as WW2" wasn't a slogan chosen to go on the side of on the Big Red Brexit Bus in 2016.

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In fairness you're just going down emotive dead ends that add nothing to the debate or does anything to end the current impasse.

The winners of the referendum voted to Leave the EU with no definitive instruction on exactly what was to be achieved...


It was Brexit (to be negotiated)

The decision to leave was the majority of the electorate's decision .......the task to leave was the Gov't's.

The only thing that wasn't voted for was a Brexit that is really Remain in any other name.

Unfortunately the Govt , aided and abetted by an anti-democratic alliance of EU stooges, is striving to deny the voting majority their democratic destiny and THAT'S why Farage is still on the scene, playing mean , looking lean and acting clean......

You lot keep him here. He would've drifted away a long time since had you not been such piss poor losers and treated the result with such arrogance and contempt.

Want rid of Farage?

Vote for him!


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I expect that any sacrifice resulting from Brexit would be borne by us, not Ms Widdecombe or Mr Farage. Those MP & MEP pensions can insulate against a deal of pain.

Strangely, "sacrifice not as bad as WW2" wasn't a slogan chosen to go on the side of on the Big Red Brexit Bus in 2016.

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Farage is quite happy for us all to be poor after brexit.
When asked do you think we will be better off after brexit, He just spouted the usual brexit crap and bollox about " What price freedom and What price Making our own laws etc".

As you say it wont matter to Widdicombe and Farage as whatever the pain inflicted on us, it wont have any impact on them with their priviledged pensions to follow.



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I expect that any sacrifice resulting from Brexit would be borne by us, not Ms Widdecombe or Mr Farage. Those MP & MEP pensions can insulate against a deal of pain.

Strangely, "sacrifice not as bad as WW2" wasn't a slogan chosen to go on the side of on the Big Red Brexit Bus in 2016.

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It certainly won’t matter much to Farage. He’s already stated he will leave the country if Brexit is a disaster.

Yet people will still vote for this unprincipled charlatan.


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FYI the overall QT representation is emphatically pro-Remainers according to some recent statistics for appearances I saw......That buffoon Ken Clarke has nearly 60 appearances to his name . That risible rocket Vince Cable also has approaching 60 appearances. That disingenuous harpy, Anna Soubry has over 40 appearances........and on it goes. The fantasist Green Party woman has far more appearances than her status would merit.......and on it goes!!!


Well of course Ken Clarke has a lot of appearances, he's been an MP since the dawn of time! Same for Vince Cable.
Farage meanwhile has appeared 29 times since 2008, a far higher hit rate than anyone else.

Anna Soubry by the way only has 16 appearances.


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Just been informed Farage has now broken the record for most airtime coverage for an individual by The BBC.
The previous record holder was held by that woman playing noughts and crosses on that blackboard with a clown.



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