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Towlawtom
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We will know very soon but I suspect:

(UKIP + Brexit + Tory) > (LD + Green + Change + SNP + PC)

Labour’s position is so unclear, i’ve left them out of the above as i suspect they’ll get Remain and leave votes.


That's a good analogy. Think you are will be wrong with your prediction though . I think more remainers will vote for labour then leavers. A lot of voters still wont bother to turn out.


The interim result (& I was correct):

(549k + 5,245 + 1,511) > (3,367 + 2,010 + 572 + 591 + 164k)

Or: 7,305k > 6,704k

Labour (unclear Brexit policy) got 2,346k. You’d have to believe 63% v 37% remain v leave split amongst their voters before overall Remain would overtake overall Leave.


Your analysis was good but we will never know what the Labour split was. My best guess is that substantial more Labour votes were from remainers Possibly around 75 per cent which would have meant the overall vote went the other way. Also to balance things out a small percentage of the Tory share would have too gone to remain.
What's also important is the amount of people who normally vote but didn't!



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All that has been proved is that the country is still as divided as ever over Brexit. Half wants it half doesn't and neither half will listen to the other half.


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A couple of points

1.More people signed the petition to Revoke Article 50 then voted for the Brexit Party.

2. If the Brexit Party got 5.2 million votes, where are the rest of the 17.4 million voters who felt betrayed?



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A couple of points

1.More people signed the petition to Revoke Article 50 then voted for the Brexit Party.

2. If the Brexit Party got 5.2 million votes, where are the rest of the 17.4 million voters who felt betrayed?

1. Some signed RA 50 multiple times so not sure how accurate that ever was.

2. I know leave voters that felt totally disalusioned with the whole rotten process so stayed away from voting in an election that we should have had no part in.


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A couple of points

1.More people signed the petition to Revoke Article 50 then voted for the Brexit Party.

2. If the Brexit Party got 5.2 million votes, where are the rest of the 17.4 million voters who felt betrayed?


16million voted Remain .....where were they on Thursday?.......By your reckoning they must now be resigned to Leaving and happy for the UK to continue on the path of Brexit.

Glad we cleared that up.


The quantifiable truth of these results ( let's dismiss the TowLawTom and Alistair Campell SpinFactory nonsense) is that The Brexit Party were the clear winners in this vote......Clear, clear, unequivocal Winners.

No ifs no buts, way out in front. Nobody came close to beating them.....

Any other analysis is Bull Poo.

So.....Let's get on and prepare for No Deal with all the power and resources at our disposal.
Let's send a clear message to the people, to business and to the EU that we fully accept that is our starting position post- Brexit but the door is open to Brussels if they get their act together and talk to us constructively, respectfully and realistically.....
There, not so difficult is it?


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A couple of points

1.More people signed the petition to Revoke Article 50 then voted for the Brexit Party.

2. If the Brexit Party got 5.2 million votes, where are the rest of the 17.4 million voters who felt betrayed?


16million voted Remain .....where were they on Thursday?.......By your reckoning they must now be resigned to Leaving and happy for the UK to continue on the path of Brexit.

Glad we cleared that up.


The quantifiable truth of these results ( let's dismiss the TowLawTom and Alistair Campell SpinFactory nonsense) is that The Brexit Party were the clear winners in this vote......Clear, clear, unequivocal Winners.

No ifs no buts, way out in front. Nobody came close to beating them.....

Any other analysis is Bull Poo.

So.....Let's get on and prepare for No Deal with all the power and resources at our disposal.
Let's send a clear message to the people, to business and to the EU that we fully accept that is our starting position post- Brexit but the door is open to Brussels if they get their act together and talk to us constructively, respectfully and realistically.....
There, not so difficult is it?


I would have thought it was more important for Brexit voters to get their vote out showing support for their new party and hero Nige.

If you really want to spin things out then the results of Thursday election was

Remain Parties: 41%
Hard /No Deal Brexit parties: 35%

Taking into account the whole electorate about 1 in 9 backed a no- deal brexit!



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A couple of points

1.More people signed the petition to Revoke Article 50 then voted for the Brexit Party.

2. If the Brexit Party got 5.2 million votes, where are the rest of the 17.4 million voters who felt betrayed?


16million voted Remain .....where were they on Thursday?.......By your reckoning they must now be resigned to Leaving and happy for the UK to continue on the path of Brexit.

Glad we cleared that up.


The quantifiable truth of these results ( let's dismiss the TowLawTom and Alistair Campell SpinFactory nonsense) is that The Brexit Party were the clear winners in this vote......Clear, clear, unequivocal Winners.

No ifs no buts, way out in front. Nobody came close to beating them.....

Any other analysis is Bull Poo.

So.....Let's get on and prepare for No Deal with all the power and resources at our disposal.
Let's send a clear message to the people, to business and to the EU that we fully accept that is our starting position post- Brexit but the door is open to Brussels if they get their act together and talk to us constructively, respectfully and realistically.....
There, not so difficult is it?


I would have thought it was more important for Brexit voters to get their vote out showing support for their new party and hero Nige.

If you really want to spin things out then the results of Thursday election was

Remain Parties: 41%
Hard /No Deal Brexit parties: 35%

Taking into account the whole electorate about 1 in 9 backed a no- deal brexit!


'You Would Have Thought' you say........

Surely, after 3 years, you must accept you do not have a scooby doo as to what motivates Brexit supporters......You are clueless.


Your 'Would Have Thought ' is simply your ego trying to rationalise being on the losing side in another election.....You lose AGAIN!!!

I'll not comment too much on your misrepresentation of the voting figures as there isnt a single serious commentator that agrees with you or how you divvy up the votes cast but I will say this..
1) Like it or not, The Greens are an environmental focussed party and Brexit is not their main concern.
2) The onus in these EU elections was for committe Remainers to get out and show there anger, their frustration and their support for Revoking A50 or a 2nd vote.......Looks to me like they couldn't be bothered as the Brexit Party pretty much wiped the floor with them......


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A Green campaigner knocked on my door and handed me a leaflet. A quick glance and two phrases jumped out at me:
1) "Vote Green to stop Brexit"
2) "Greens are ... protecting our democracy".

I pointed out to the chap that they couldn't have it both ways: either they are pro-Brexit or pro-democracy. Not both. They even have a chart in their leaflet that shows YouGov data predicting 68% of British people intended to vote for pro-Brexit parties at the 2019 eu election, against 32% for Remain.

In fact, 57.75% voted for Brexit parties, with 41.02 for Leave parties (presumably the other 1.23% voted for parties who did not express a preference).

I kept his leaflet anyway - it's one less person who may be misled by it! But the campaigner I saw didn't really have an answer for how his leaflet could hold two contradictory positions at the same time.


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Reminder of what is and isn't to blame for job losses/companies closing or companies moving out of the UK

TO BLAME
Diesel
Global economy
Bad management
China
Remainers
People talking the country down
The EU
MPs
The BBC
Civil servants
Soros
Diesel again
Sunshine
Moonlight
Goodtimes
Boogie

NOT TO BLAME
Brexit



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YES to all of TowLawTom's reasons, except BBC which gets a "Double yes". Hard to believe the amount of propaganda that they put out, considering they are meant to be 'balanced'.


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A couple of points

1.More people signed the petition to Revoke Article 50 then voted for the Brexit Party.

2. If the Brexit Party got 5.2 million votes, where are the rest of the 17.4 million voters who felt betrayed?


16million voted Remain .....where were they on Thursday?.......By your reckoning they must now be resigned to Leaving and happy for the UK to continue on the path of Brexit.

Glad we cleared that up.


The quantifiable truth of these results ( let's dismiss the TowLawTom and Alistair Campell SpinFactory nonsense) is that The Brexit Party were the clear winners in this vote......Clear, clear, unequivocal Winners.

No ifs no buts, way out in front. Nobody came close to beating them.....

Any other analysis is Bull Poo.

So.....Let's get on and prepare for No Deal with all the power and resources at our disposal.
Let's send a clear message to the people, to business and to the EU that we fully accept that is our starting position post- Brexit but the door is open to Brussels if they get their act together and talk to us constructively, respectfully and realistically.....
There, not so difficult is it?


I would have thought it was more important for Brexit voters to get their vote out showing support for their new party and hero Nige.

If you really want to spin things out then the results of Thursday election was

Remain Parties: 41%
Hard /No Deal Brexit parties: 35%

Taking into account the whole electorate about 1 in 9 backed a no- deal brexit!


'You Would Have Thought' you say........

Surely, after 3 years, you must accept you do not have a scooby doo as to what motivates Brexit supporters......You are clueless.


Your 'Would Have Thought ' is simply your ego trying to rationalise being on the losing side in another election.....You lose AGAIN!!!

I'll not comment too much on your misrepresentation of the voting figures as there isnt a single serious commentator that agrees with you or how you divvy up the votes cast but I will say this..
1) Like it or not, The Greens are an environmental focussed party and Brexit is not their main concern.
2) The onus in these EU elections was for committe Remainers to get out and show there anger, their frustration and their support for Revoking A50 or a 2nd vote.......Looks to me like they couldn't be bothered as the Brexit Party pretty much wiped the floor with them......


Ive told you Im not going to get involved in name calling amymore and disagree. I think More votes overall counted were from remainers as no-one knows what the labour split was.

I think you underestimate the green party as they got a lot of votes from remainers as people remember the Lib dems backing the tories austerity plans which they were against.



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A Green campaigner knocked on my door and handed me a leaflet. A quick glance and two phrases jumped out at me:
1) "Vote Green to stop Brexit"
2) "Greens are ... protecting our democracy".

I pointed out to the chap that they couldn't have it both ways: either they are pro-Brexit or pro-democracy. Not both. They even have a chart in their leaflet that shows YouGov data predicting 68% of British people intended to vote for pro-Brexit parties at the 2019 eu election, against 32% for Remain.

In fact, 57.75% voted for Brexit parties, with 41.02 for Leave parties (presumably the other 1.23% voted for parties who did not express a preference).

I kept his leaflet anyway - it's one less person who may be misled by it! But the campaigner I saw didn't really have an answer for how his leaflet could hold two contradictory positions at the same time.


With the heightened emotions and angry blinkered views on both sides of the argument I'm amazed anyone is brave enough to knock on anyone's door rather than just stick a leaflet through the letterbox.

We received a Brexit Party leaflet and my wife wasn't at all impressed that I had kept it. She wanted it to be put to use as loo paper.

As to who's pro-democracy, we can't be absolutely certain of the current state of opinion unless we hold a second referendum, but I can't see there'd be any benefit from holding one, as even if Remain were to win I doubt whether the margin of victory would be decisive enough to end the argument.

Could you clarify your figure of 57.75% voting for Brexit parties? Are you meaning last Thursday's election as that doesn't seem to tally with figures I've seen?

Although the Brexit Party did spectacularly well, determining the overall % voting Remain or Brexit on Thursday is complicated by Labour's two faced stance and working out the number of Conservative Remain voters that stuck with the party.

However, analysis to date seems to show that we're still fundamentally as evenly split as in 2016, so on the basis of the 2016 result, we should proceed with Brexit.

The clever bit, of course, is getting a good deal. The EU will work for the best deal for it's members. Our problems aren't it's concern. 27 against 1 doesn't sound like good odds to me.

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Not a personal insult just a critique of your understanding of the Leaver mindset .
I doubt there is anyone except for extreme Remainers who would classify The Tories as a Remainer party, therefore its votes are Leaver votes.

So......where are we?

Exactly where we were in 2016.

That proves the Leave vote is entrenched, durable and secure.

Despite the onslaught from the anti democratic forces in the UK that support the ambitions of a foreign power to subsume the UK and strip it of its Sovereignity , despite that campaign being supported by the foreign intervention of
EU eurocrats, the British electorate have again rejected that notion and stood strong.

Either the EU scraps the May deal and starts negotiating again or we leave with no deal.....

All the while we prepare relentlessly for no deal.....5 months and we are out.


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A Green campaigner knocked on my door and handed me a leaflet. A quick glance and two phrases jumped out at me:
1) "Vote Green to stop Brexit"
2) "Greens are ... protecting our democracy".

I pointed out to the chap that they couldn't have it both ways: either they are pro-Brexit or pro-democracy. Not both. They even have a chart in their leaflet that shows YouGov data predicting 68% of British people intended to vote for pro-Brexit parties at the 2019 eu election, against 32% for Remain.

In fact, 57.75% voted for Brexit parties, with 41.02 for Leave parties (presumably the other 1.23% voted for parties who did not express a preference).

I kept his leaflet anyway - it's one less person who may be misled by it! But the campaigner I saw didn't really have an answer for how his leaflet could hold two contradictory positions at the same time.


With the heightened emotions and angry blinkered views on both sides of the argument I'm amazed anyone is brave enough to knock on anyone's door rather than just stick a leaflet through the letterbox.

We received a Brexit Party leaflet and my wife wasn't at all impressed that I had kept it. She wanted it to be put to use as loo paper.

As to who's pro-democracy, we can't be absolutely certain of the current state of opinion unless we hold a second referendum, but I can't see there'd be any benefit from holding one, as even if Remain were to win I doubt whether the margin of victory would be decisive enough to end the argument.

Could you clarify your figure of 57.75% voting for Brexit parties? Are you meaning last Thursday's election as that doesn't seem to tally with figures I've seen?

Although the Brexit Party did spectacularly well, determining the overall % voting Remain or Brexit on Thursday is complicated by Labour's two faced stance and working out the number of Conservative Remain voters that stuck with the party.

However, analysis to date seems to show that we're still fundamentally as evenly split as in 2016, so on the basis of the 2016 result, we should proceed with Brexit.

The clever bit, of course, is getting a good deal. The EU will work for the best deal for it's members. Our problems aren't it's concern. 27 against 1 doesn't sound like good odds to me.

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Remainers have spent 3 years squealing that the electorate weren't properly informed and didn't know what they were voting for.

So what did the newly , highly informed, highly engaged electorate do....

Y'know the electorate that has seen millions of Leavers die off from old age and millions of young people come on to the electoral register for the first time.

WHAT DID THEY DO????????

THEY ONLY WENT AND VOTED BREXIT AGAIN........


Still want a 2nd referendum.........lol!


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YES to all of TowLawTom's reasons, except BBC which gets a "Double yes". Hard to believe the amount of propaganda that they put out, considering they are meant to be 'balanced'.


For the first time, I am inclined to agree with the theory that the BBC got things wrong. Their nose was so far up Farage's posterior I was surprised he didn't have a guest role on "Eastenders". Hardly any of the other parties got a look in.


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With the heightened emotions and angry blinkered views on both sides of the argument I'm amazed anyone is brave enough to knock on anyone's door rather than just stick a leaflet through the letterbox.

We received a Brexit Party leaflet and my wife wasn't at all impressed that I had kept it. She wanted it to be put to use as loo paper.

As to who's pro-democracy, we can't be absolutely certain of the current state of opinion unless we hold a second referendum, but I can't see there'd be any benefit from holding one, as even if Remain were to win I doubt whether the margin of victory would be decisive enough to end the argument.

Could you clarify your figure of 57.75% voting for Brexit parties? Are you meaning last Thursday's election as that doesn't seem to tally with figures I've seen?

Although the Brexit Party did spectacularly well, determining the overall % voting Remain or Brexit on Thursday is complicated by Labour's two faced stance and working out the number of Conservative Remain voters that stuck with the party.

However, analysis to date seems to show that we're still fundamentally as evenly split as in 2016, so on the basis of the 2016 result, we should proceed with Brexit.

The clever bit, of course, is getting a good deal. The EU will work for the best deal for it's members. Our problems aren't it's concern. 27 against 1 doesn't sound like good odds to me.

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Remainers have spent 3 years squealing that the electorate weren't properly informed and didn't know what they were voting for.

So what did the newly , highly informed, highly engaged electorate do....

Y'know the electorate that has seen millions of Leavers die off from old age and millions of young people come on to the electoral register for the first time.

WHAT DID THEY DO????????

THEY ONLY WENT AND VOTED BREXIT AGAIN........


Still want a 2nd referendum......…lol!


Crazy

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I doubt there is anyone except for extreme Remainers who would classify The Tories as a Remainer party, therefore its votes are Leaver votes.


No. Some people vote for the same party time after time irrespective of how much they have to hold their noses on occasion to do so.

Otherwise, for instance, the Labour majority on Rotherham Council would have been overturned at the time of the Asian gangs sex grooming scandal.

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YES to all of TowLawTom's reasons, except BBC which gets a "Double yes". Hard to believe the amount of propaganda that they put out, considering they are meant to be 'balanced'.


For the first time, I am inclined to agree with the theory that the BBC got things wrong. Their nose was so far up Farage's posterior I was surprised he didn't have a guest role on "Eastenders". Hardly any of the other parties got a look in.


Unfortunately, Farage is very effective when being interviewed and provides the sound bites and controversy the media thrive on.

In contrast, my lot's Leader, Vince Cable, sends you to sleep every time he opens his mouth. Frown

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I doubt there is anyone except for extreme Remainers who would classify The Tories as a Remainer party, therefore its votes are Leaver votes.


No. Some people vote for the same party time after time irrespective of how much they have to hold their noses on occasion to do so.

Otherwise, for instance, the Labour majority on Rotherham Council would have been overturned at the time of the Asian gangs sex grooming scandal.

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Prof John Curtis stated today on R4 that it is futile to try to derive any comfort for one side over another with regard to the Labour and Tory vote.......

The only thing we can be sure of is that The Brexit Party easily won the EU election gaining 50% more votes than its nearest rivals.

As I stated earlier......
This election was THE chance for committed Remainers to have their voice heard AT THE BALLOT BOX. ....

BOLLOCKS to BREXIT was the battle cry.

BOLLOCKS to REMAIN was the result as The Brexit Party won every district of the UK except London and Scotland ........where they came 2nd.

What happened to the 16million......Where were they.

This election was fir THEM .....After 3 years of learning about Brexit, its consequences and its potential fallout and millions of new , young educated and politically enthused youngsters getting on to the electoral roll and millions of old ( allegedly) xenophobic and reactionary fuds being put in the ground.......

YOU STILL LOST!

What happened.?
How do you explain that ?


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Huh? But my district of Trafford (a Labour controlled district in the north of England which voted remain) voted Liberal Democrat, as did Stockport, the district where I work. In my commute, I cross Manchester which voted Labour.

Sorry, but it's just incorrect to say that the Brexit Party won all the metropolitan districts outside London.

In the north west as a whole, we had 3 Brexit, 2 Labour, 2 Lib Dems and 1 Green elected. It is extremely disappointing that the IRA supporting Trotskyite Claire Fox is representing me, in theory, but that is the Brexit Party for you.


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Huh? But my district of Trafford (a Labour controlled district in the north of England which voted remain) voted Liberal Democrat, as did Stockport, the district where I work. In my commute, I cross Manchester which voted Labour.

Sorry, but it's just incorrect to say that the Brexit Party won all the metropolitan districts outside London.

In the north west as a whole, we had 3 Brexit, 2 Labour, 2 Lib Dems and 1 Green elected. It is extremely disappointing that the IRA supporting Trotskyite Claire Fox is representing me, in theory, but that is the Brexit Party for you.


You're breaking it down in to parcels too small to be meaningful.
The Brexit Party was the clear leader.

Watching idiots llike Sourpuss claiming Change UK did well and Remain won when it wan, 't even a Leave remain referendum was cringeworthy.

Leave is now the only agenda possible.

There is no common ground whatsoever .

It's time to say stuff you to the Remainers and get on with Brexit, prepare for no deal if that's what it's to be and Leave asap.


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It's time to say stuff you to the Remainers and get on with Brexit, prepare for no deal if that's what it's to be and Leave asap.


And I'm afraid that in Scotland the sort of mantra you expound means many people think it's time to stay stuff you to the Remainers and get on with Indyref2, prepare for independence if that's what it's to be and Leave asap.

A hard Brexit will, in my opinion, inevitably lead to Scottish independence and the break up of the UK. Many Brexiteers would love that.


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It's time to say stuff you to the Remainers and get on with Brexit, prepare for no deal if that's what it's to be and Leave asap.


And I'm afraid that in Scotland the sort of mantra you expound means many people think it's time to stay stuff you to the Remainers and get on with Indyref2, prepare for independence if that's what it's to be and Leave asap.

A hard Brexit will, in my opinion, inevitably lead to Scottish independence and the break up of the UK. Many Brexiteers would love that.


I noticed amongst all of the noise about the SNP’s best ever European Election performance, the IndyRef2 parties (SNP & Green) still only managed 46% of the votes.

That doesn’t sound like the unequivocal and certain victory Sturgeon has often said would be needed before she called another referendum.

Certainly not enough to encourage Westminster to allow the second vote.


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I didn't vote for an "Indyref2" party. Doesn't necessarily mean I wouldn't vote for independence in a referendum, however.

Furthermore, had the European Election results been the basis for a Westminster election, the SNP would have won every seat in Scotland, apart from Orkney and Shetland (Lib Dem).


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It's time to say stuff you to the Remainers and get on with Brexit, prepare for no deal if that's what it's to be and Leave asap.


And I'm afraid that in Scotland the sort of mantra you expound means many people think it's time to stay stuff you to the Remainers and get on with Indyref2, prepare for independence if that's what it's to be and Leave asap.

A hard Brexit will, in my opinion, inevitably lead to Scottish independence and the break up of the UK. Many Brexiteers would love that.


Yes I agree that many in Scotland will expound that idea , however, Indy supporters have NEVER won a referendum and on top of that , they have never won a referendum and had the result denied to them.....but I realise the Brexit debacle the Remainers have created makes support for ScotIndy more palatable.

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