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PaulC
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How many members were polled?


892 according to the yougov website.

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All of them then?


Yatesman
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I presume that as you have not responded to my question about the SNP and the British Army that you have no evidence to back up your scurrilous claim?

Is that the case?

See post 3836 above.


Evidence?

Like the evidence that 17.4 million Brexit voters are xenophobes.
Like the evidence that 17.4 million Brexit voters are racist .
Like the evidence that 17.4 million Brexit voters want the reformation f the British Empire.

All those ridiculous claims , without evidence, that have traction amongst the ignoramuses of the remain camp.

You ask for 'evidence'.

This isn't a court of law. It's a forum.

The SNP detests everything British , It's Parliament, it's institutions, Everything Even it's flag which it doesn't fly on it's public buildings. It's sad but true.
Crikey, the SNP even hates Rangers FC because of it's British identity.

That's their choice.
It bothers me not .
Just pointing out how it is.


The evidence is there far you to see if you look.


PaulC
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I presume that as you have not responded to my question about the SNP and the British Army that you have no evidence to back up your scurrilous claim?

Is that the case?

See post 3836 above.


Evidence?

Like the evidence that 17.4 million Brexit voters are xenophobes.
Like the evidence that 17.4 million Brexit voters are racist .
Like the evidence that 17.4 million Brexit voters want the reformation f the British Empire.

All those ridiculous claims , without evidence, that have traction amongst the ignoramuses of the remain camp.

You ask for 'evidence'.

This isn't a court of law. It's a forum.

The SNP detests everything British , It's Parliament, it's institutions, Everything Even it's flag which it doesn't fly on it's public buildings. It's sad but true.
Crikey, the SNP even hates Rangers FC because of it's British identity.

That's their choice.
It bothers me not .
Just pointing out how it is.


The evidence is there far you to see if you look.



This is pure undadulterated nonsense.


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The SNP detests everything British , It's Parliament, it's institutions, Everything Even it's flag which it doesn't fly on it's public buildings. It's sad but true.
Crikey, the SNP even hates Rangers FC because of it's British identity.


Its apostrophes? Wink




http://stevebthegroundhopper.blogspot.co.uk/




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Yatesman
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The SNP detests everything British , It's Parliament, it's institutions, Everything Even it's flag which it doesn't fly on it's public buildings. It's sad but true.
Crikey, the SNP even hates Rangers FC because of it's British identity.


Its apostrophes? Wink


Oh , I know! When I'm typing in a hurry I go into defaut mode and this is the result......... There are worse crimes,I'm sure!


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The SNP detests everything British , It's Parliament, it's institutions, Everything Even it's flag which it doesn't fly on it's public buildings. It's sad but true.
Crikey, the SNP even hates Rangers FC because of it's British identity.


Its apostrophes? Wink


Oh , I know! When I'm typing in a hurry I go into defaut mode and this is the result......... There are worse crimes,I'm sure!

You have posted many controversial opinions but you have gone too far this time.


Yatesman
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The SNP detests everything British , It's Parliament, it's institutions, Everything Even it's flag which it doesn't fly on it's public buildings. It's sad but true.
Crikey, the SNP even hates Rangers FC because of it's British identity.


Its apostrophes? Wink


Oh , I know! When I'm typing in a hurry I go into defaut mode and this is the result......... There are worse crimes,I'm sure!

You have posted many controversial opinions but you have gone too far this time.


Ha ha.....nice one !

I concede!


jon b
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Lib Demís return to a massive 12 MPís as Chuka Umunna completes his political hokey dokey;
Labour, Independent, Change, Independent, Lib Dem.


On today's "Politics Live" after lengthily and thoroughly skewering poor old Damian Collins MP on Boris Johnson's proposed "new" deal actually just equating to May's deal less the backstop, Andrew Neil turned his fire on Chuka Umunna.

He asked "you've been on the programme half an hour, are you still a Lib Dem?"

Cue another politician doing their rabbit caught in the headlights impression. Cool

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Tom Watson has made a gutless speech of appeasement to the EU , making absolutely no pretence that the Labour Party will take it's lead from it's small membership than from it's mass voter base.

All pretence is gone now that Labour is absolutely a Remain party and utterly out of sync with Corbyn.

Regardless of whether you agree with Tom Watson or not, this was as far from a gutless speech as I can imagine. He has had the courage to speak out for what he believes in and tried to convince others that he is right rather than try to avoid upsetting people by sitting on the fence.

Surely a political party must take its lead from its membership. What would be the point in joining a party if its policies were determined by non members?


Anyone wishing to view this Tom Watson speech here is the link.


Yatesman
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Tom Watson has made a gutless speech of appeasement to the EU , making absolutely no pretence that the Labour Party will take it's lead from it's small membership than from it's mass voter base.

All pretence is gone now that Labour is absolutely a Remain party and utterly out of sync with Corbyn.

Regardless of whether you agree with Tom Watson or not, this was as far from a gutless speech as I can imagine. He has had the courage to speak out for what he believes in and tried to convince others that he is right rather than try to avoid upsetting people by sitting on the fence.

Surely a political party must take its lead from its membership. What would be the point in joining a party if its policies were determined by non members?


Anyone wishing to view this Tom Watson speech here is the link.


Gets worse every time you listen to it.

I couldn't be more ashamed of a fellow countryman and his utter appeasement of a foreign power's intention to subsume this country than I would have been of the likes of Mosely and
the homegrown enemies of the state from the 1930's.

The defeatism and absolute self serving ,self presreving , pocket lining hypocrisy of denying the will of the British electorate in order to deliver a pale, washed out version of Socialism through the EU because the British electorate doesn't trust them is shocking in its audacity

Never mind the speech, that can be dismissed for the treacherous guff you would expect from Labour these days................
Read the comments below the video!


jon b
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absolute self serving ,self presreving , pocket lining


That's an accusation that be levelled at people on both sides of the argument.

For instance, some people supporting Brexit will benefit from the removal of cheaper EU Joiners from the UK.

A good number of MPs have sacrificed their careers for the sake of principle. Others have taken the "Vicar of Bray" route, dropped their principles and turned into Bojo backers.

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Towlawtom
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Reminder to the Geoffrey Boycott types of people and what a WW2 veteran who fought in the war actually thinks of the ridiculous brexit project!


https://twitter.com/.../1143073871752548354



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !


Yatesman
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Reminder to the Geoffrey Boycott types of people and what a WW2 veteran who fought in the war actually thinks of the ridiculous brexit project!


https://twitter.com/.../1143073871752548354


How on Earth does one person's thoughts trump 17.4 million voters' votes, many of whom would also have been DD veterans.
Why does his opinion carry more weight....?
Because he was interviewed on the tellybox?...

Lol....Give me Strength!


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Reminder to the Geoffrey Boycott types of people and what a WW2 veteran who fought in the war actually thinks of the ridiculous brexit project!


https://twitter.com/.../1143073871752548354


How on Earth does one person's thoughts trump 17.4 million voters' votes, many of whom would also have been DD veterans.
Why does his opinion carry more weight....?
Because he was interviewed on the tellybox?...

Lol....Give me Strength!


Tbh it probably doesn't but it gets to those brexit voters like Boycott who continually ramble on about Brexit will be easy when in boycotts words
" we got through 2 world wars" What part did Boycott play in WW2 and not just him it's a phrase spouted by many brexit voters who were born after WW2. It's disrespectful to the WW2 veterans

It also dismisses the stereotype that all WW2 veterans want to see Brexit like Boycott implies!



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !


Yatesman
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Reminder to the Geoffrey Boycott types of people and what a WW2 veteran who fought in the war actually thinks of the ridiculous brexit project!


https://twitter.com/.../1143073871752548354


How on Earth does one person's thoughts trump 17.4 million voters' votes, many of whom would also have been DD veterans.
Why does his opinion carry more weight....?
Because he was interviewed on the tellybox?...

Lol....Give me Strength!


Tbh it probably doesn't but it gets to those brexit voters like Boycott who continually ramble on about Brexit will be easy when in boycotts words
" we got through 2 world wars" What part did Boycott play in WW2 and not just him it's a phrase spouted by many brexit voters who were born after WW2. It's disrespectful to the WW2 veterans

It also dismisses the stereotype that all WW2 veterans want to see Brexit like Boycott implies!


I should think the number of Leave voters who frame theiir opinions on Brexit with reference to WW2 number in the hundreds.

But I know Remainers love a good Stereotype!


jon b
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But I know Remainers love a good Stereotype!


That remark is, of course, a stereotype Tongue

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Yatesman
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But I know Remainers love a good Stereotype!


That remark is, of course, a stereotype Tongue

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Wink

Yet decidedly inoffensive .

I wasn't arguing against Stereotypes per se, they can be useful when expedience is necessary, however their use is generally negative and rooted in prejudice.


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It's time they removed "& Unionist" from their name.

You can be sure their views are shared by the majority of Brexitistas.





Another Yougov poll.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/...ritain-leave-EU.html

Usual health warnings on polls apply.

But, if accurate, this one shows 57% in favour of Soft/Medium/Hard Brexit against 43% Remain in the EU.

May in PMQs today was busily telling Labour MPs who raised the horrors of a No Deal Brexit that THEY had voted against her deal. So don't blame her if No Deal was what they got instead.

According to Angela Leadsom today, PM Johnson would take us out of the EU on 31 October 2019 unless enough Tory MPs voted against their government in Votes of Confidence to force a General Election. She seemed to think that as that would be like turkeys voting for Christmas, it wouldn't happen.

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We have had now for over 2 years nearly ever pro bexiteer stating
1.The EU need us more then we need them
2.We hold all the cards.
3.Merkel will beg for us to sign any deal we offer for their cars.

So looks as if the bexiteers have 2 options.

1 Pretend they voted for no deal
2 Admit they were WRONG!



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !


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Mark Francois says wrecking car industry after no-deal brexit, "At least it will be our choice"
Interview is about 8 minutes long and still keeps repeating the 39 billion and getting back nothing lie

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/...article_social_icons



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Yatesman
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We have had now for over 2 years nearly ever pro bexiteer stating
1.The EU need us more then we need them
2.We hold all the cards.
3.Merkel will beg for us to sign any deal we offer for their cars.

So looks as if the bexiteers have 2 options.

1 Pretend they voted for no deal
2 Admit they were WRONG!


Not sure I agree with any of that on any level.
Making vague statements like these is the stuff of politics and you receive them accordingly.

I would say that Leave voters voted to Leave the EU with the full expectation that our Parliament would respect the result and pull out all the stops and make every effort to work together and work towards getting the best possible deal to allow us to leave in an orderly, measured fashion with an arrangement to negotiae a future Free Trade Deal.

That, I would argue was the state of play on the morning after the referendum .

Why didn't the losers accept the democratic decision and do that?

I would like a Remain supporter to explain why they chose to work against the democratic decision and thereby against the National Interest.

You'll do TowLaw Tom............ Explain the reasoning behind what many would describe as the treachery.

The reason we are where we are today can be put at the door of the insurgents whose seditious behaviour has worked in the EU's extreme favour .


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I do find this, we've made our democratic decision through the referendum and therefore can't change our minds to be a very bizarre argument. To me it seems that people are by arguing this are also saying that any general election held after a previous parliament didn't run its full democratic 5 year term was undemocratic. Meaning in my lifetime the following general elections were undemocratic

February 1974
October 1974
1979 (MPs overriding the people's will with their vote of no confidence)
1983
1987
2001
2005
2017

Wow that means we live in undemocratic democracy.

Please note, I am saying this as someone who voted for Brexit, would still vote for brexit if I thought the politicians could provide the economically sensible brexit that was possible, unfortunately our politicians have blown the chance of economically sensible brexit which means that I have to take the view that remaining in the EU is the only economically viable option to vote for now.


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Oddly enough in a democracy voters aren't required to change their mind if a vote goes against them. If we had a Referendum on Capital Punishment and the vote went in favour of re-introducing it, we wouldn't expect those opposed to it to suddenly stop their opposition. If a stupid decision is being made then it's hardly surprising that those opposed continue to fight it.

Leavers think the interests of the UK are best served by leaving the EU.

Remainers think the interests of the UK are best served by remaining in the EU.

If they were infantile and stupid enough, each side could accuse the other of betraying the UK by what they were proposing.

Hopefully the grown ups can leave words like treachery and seditious behaviour to those too dim to leave the playground.


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I do find this, we've made our democratic decision through the referendum and therefore can't change our minds to be a very bizarre argument. To me it seems that people are by arguing this are also saying that any general election held after a previous parliament didn't run its full democratic 5 year term was undemocratic. Meaning in my lifetime the following general elections were undemocratic

February 1974
October 1974
1979 (MPs overriding the people's will with their vote of no confidence)
1983
1987
2001
2005
2017

Wow that means we live in undemocratic democracy.

Please note, I am saying this as someone who voted for Brexit, would still vote for brexit if I thought the politicians could provide the economically sensible brexit that was possible, unfortunately our politicians have blown the chance of economically sensible brexit which means that I have to take the view that remaining in the EU is the only economically viable option to vote for now.



No ,No ,No and No again..........

There is a difference between the referendum result and all those GE results.........
A MASSIVE difference, a FUNDAMENTAL difference, an ESSENTIAL difference.

A difference that kills that argument dead

And the difference is that ALL those GE results are immediately honoured. Every MP takes their seat in the HoC , every political party takes office either directly as the main party of Westminster or as a coalition, but crucially, the will of the electrate is honoured, enacted and tested......................

THAT hasn't yet happened with the 2016 referendum so until we have honoured the resut and enacted the result and tested the result there is NO basis for the argument to have a 2nd 'losers' referendum.............

After the Gov't has delivered Brexit there can be another referendum scheduled in in due course........Maybe after a GE, if a party stand on that ticket and wins!!

( Y'see, Democracy ain't so complicated)


Yatesman
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Oddly enough in a democracy voters aren't required to change their mind if a vote goes against them. If we had a Referendum on Capital Punishment and the vote went in favour of re-introducing it, we wouldn't expect those opposed to it to suddenly stop their opposition. If a stupid decision is being made then it's hardly surprising that those opposed continue to fight it.

Leavers think the interests of the UK are best served by leaving the EU.

Remainers think the interests of the UK are best served by remaining in the EU.

If they were infantile and stupid enough, each side could accuse the other of betraying the UK by what they were proposing.

Hopefully the grown ups can leave words like treachery and seditious behaviour to those too dim to leave the playground.


Crikey, the kids in your town have some heavy conversations if they are using those words in the playground.

I maybe would have been better using the word 'rebellious' if that fits your sensibilities better.

I think if anyone is actively seeking to prevent the honouring of a legal and fair election in the UK then those are actions that deserve to be called out, questioned and condemned.

Have you given up on Democracy?

The trouble with Remain voters is they see Brexit as a risk and 'lefty' types are generally risk averse and always want the guarantee of good outcomes( Mainly for themselves of course), but life can contain an element of risk and good outcome guarantees are just another way of lying.

The solution is to mitigate potential risk through strategic planning and ensuring contigencies are in place for less than optimal or unwanted outcomes. But that means the country working together.

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