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Middle Lane Sitters and Bad Drving or

Today I saw some of the worst driving I have ever seen.

1, Going down the M4 between the Chippenham and Bath turnings there was a lorry sat in the middle lane doing about 55mph. The women behind it in a grey car decided she had had enough of him and decided to undertake. As she got level to the back of the lorry it deliberately swerved into the first lane to block her. I am not sure if it clipped her but she braked hard and got into a spin at one point she was about 15 yards in front of me facing the wrong way in lane two. I was lucky and managed to swerve while braking into lane one to avoid her, as did the following cars. The lorry just went on it's merry way. My two passengers were rather shaken up and were pleased with the avoiding action. Not sure who was most to blame think lorry 75% lady 25%. One thing that did come out of it was one of my passengers who for many years had thought there was nothing wrong with middle lane sitters despite me saying they are an accident waiting to happen actually said I see what you mean.

2. After exiting the M4 at the Bath junction I went onto the A420 down the steep hill into Wick. I was third in a queue the first car a small rad thing managed to go 25mph all the way down the hill in what appeared to be a deliberate attempt to hold up the large BMW behind him. When we entered the 30mph zone in Wick he slowed down to 15mph, before speeding up to 40mph. As we left the 30mph zone he dropped his speed to 20mph again. The relief of one of my passengers when he went straight on and we turned left.

3. On the way home I turned off the A34 at Chilton as I was dropping my passengers off in Didcot. As we entered West Hagbourne we came across another small red car doing about 15mph. Every time a car came towards him he applied the brakes. In the space of the two miles from Hagbourne to Didcot he indicated to go left three times but never did so, and on one occasion hit the bank at the side of the road with such force it almost looked though he had buckled his wheel.

Another of my passengers said maybe they ought to make the driving test harder, I said it's not those that have passed recently that are the problem it's those who passed years ago that are. We really need a some sort of top up on driving skills every ten or so years, also it is quite clear many drivers have sight problems certainly in the dark and eye tests should be made compulsory for drivers. I had problems with my eyes and I know when someone brakes when they see an on coming vehicle at night they either have the onset of cataracts or have a stigmatism / blurred vision. I have also noticed how many drivers don't move at roundabouts until they can see a car coming, it appears to me that many have such bad sight that if they cannot see a light they don't move as they are not sure if the road is clear, if they see a light in the distance they think they have time to move.


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Saw a corker today. Silly tart driving through Snodland so busy looking at her phone she didn't see the police car coming towards her. As I went past later on I saw her car departing on a tow truck, presumably no insurance either? Hopefully one less idiot on the road


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Re: [Isaac] Middle Lane Sitters and Bad Drving or Reply Privately

I get really annoyed at the sheer number of faulty car headlights around. Every one of them is a potential MOT fail. The worst is when one broken light is stuck on half beam but the other is dazzling on full beam.


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Those people who don't know how to turn their fog lamps on and off. I once had to do it for a women who said it had been for at least three months since she had purchased the car.


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I get really annoyed at the sheer number of faulty car headlights around.

What really annoys me is that they are so difficult to change. My previous car was a Renault. When a headlamp went I consulted the manual to see how to change it and it instructed me to take the car to my local dealership. How useful is that when you notice that it has failed in the middle of the night and you have dutifully kept a spare set of bulbs in your glovebox Mad? Surely a simple, universal, clip-in, clip-out system should be possible to create in this day and age or might that hit profit margins a little to much? Rant over.


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I get really annoyed at the sheer number of faulty car headlights around.

What really annoys me is that they are so difficult to change. My previous car was a Renault. When a headlamp went I consulted the manual to see how to change it and it instructed me to take the car to my local dealership. How useful is that when you notice that it has failed in the middle of the night and you have dutifully kept a spare set of bulbs in your glovebox Mad? Surely a simple, universal, clip-in, clip-out system should be possible to create in this day and age or might that hit profit margins a little to much? Rant over.



I totally agree with you about that, just the motor industry looking after their own interests or am I bring too cynical. One garage tried to charge me £10 labour for replacing a bulb for an MOT but I refused to pay it. Halfords 'we fit' service is quite reasonable but obviously not much use in the middle of the night.


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Good grief, Isaac, that's two things we have agreed about today. However I am feeling a little under the weather. I am sure normal service will be resumed shortly. Smile


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For the last two years when my car has come back from service I get a message within a few days to say the oil needs changing, which of course it had been done in the service - I did check. I was quite shocked even horrified when I Googled the problem that there was a very simple way to reset the computer on the car and in doing so delete the message. I wonder how many do this without actually servicing the car properly. These messages have nothing to do with what has actually happened to the car they just come on one year or 15,000 miles (which ever is first) after the last time the computer was reset.


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Two things to add to this item -
Firstly, on a two lane motorway today I followed a 17.5 tonne in the fast lane for three miles as it attempted to overtake a car in the slow lane; both were doing 65 mph at the time.
Secondly, after the first cold night following a service I know that my car will not start because it has a warning notice flash up on the screen "engine overheating". Three trips to the garage courtesy of the AA for a new temperature sensor to be fitted have brought the response each time that "I have never known a temperature sensor fail on your model", whereupon I tell the bloke behind the service counter to check his records on my vehicle for the previous Novembers.


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Yesterday A34 southbound at the Chilton junction, a wide load consisting of 8 to 10 lorries and a couple of support vehicles (from Harwell?) came straight onto the inside lane without waiting for a space forcing everyone out into the 2nd lane. A young women in the 2nd lane about 150 to 200 yards back instead of letting everyone come into the 2nd lane just put her foot down (to about 80mph plus) and started flashing here lights at all and sundry. I managed to get into the 2nd lane and was a good 100 yards plus in front of her it still did not stop her coming right up to the back of my car. Once clear I let her pass, she them proceeded to sit in the 2nd lane at 65mph.


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On Monday evening I was behind a car that was following an ambulance with blue lights on up a slip road. The car was weaving left and right desperately trying to overtake the ambulance. If that was not stupid enough the traffic lights at the top of the slip road were red.


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A young women in the 2nd lane about 150 to 200 yards back instead of letting everyone come into the 2nd lane just put her foot down (to about 80mph plus) and started flashing here lights at all and sundry. I managed to get into the 2nd lane and was a good 100 yards plus in front of her it still did not stop her coming right up to the back of my car.


Shame on you for not deliberately slowing down as she approached,


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A young women in the 2nd lane about 150 to 200 yards back instead of letting everyone come into the 2nd lane just put her foot down (to about 80mph plus) and started flashing here lights at all and sundry. I managed to get into the 2nd lane and was a good 100 yards plus in front of her it still did not stop her coming right up to the back of my car.


Shame on you for not deliberately slowing down as she approached,


I think that's called a crash for cashShocked


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Re: [Isaac] Middle Lane Sitters and Bad Drving or Reply Privately

A few months ago I was travelling North up the A1 and a few miles before it becomes the A1M at Ferrybridge. Their was a bit of a traffic jam and the speed never got higher than 40mph. A dickhead was doing exactly the same as acmold posted. He was flashing everyone in the 2nd lane to move out of his way, even though both lanes were chocker block and the speed never got above 40mph and their was only 2 car widths between each car. He eventually got behind me and I wasn't moving out the way for him. Even though he was being very persistant with his flashing lights/fist waving/wanker signs/tailgaiting as close as he could. I still wouldn't move out the way for him. In the end their was a small gap between 2 lorries on the inside lane and he decided to undertake me and then pushed his car in front of the car in front of me. Nearly causing that car, his car and the lorry to crash. Just so he could be 2 cars in front of me and this situation didn't change until the A1 turned into 3 lanes at Ferrybridge and he then decided to do 120mph+.



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Twice in the past couple of days I have seen cars stop randomly by a Zebra Crossing to pick up and drop off passengers regardless of the traffic behind them.



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Re: [sandhurstbee] Middle Lane Sitters and Bad Drving or Reply Privately

I saw someone doing that, near but not at a crossing last night. They were also not in the left hand lane of two either so got out into the middle of the carriageway.

Still not the worst I saw though. Shortly before midnight there was someone driving on the M4 between J4b and J5 who didn't have any lights on.


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I saw someone doing that, near but not at a crossing last night. They were also not in the left hand lane of two either so got out into the middle of the carriageway.

Still not the worst I saw though. Shortly before midnight there was someone driving on the M4 between J4b and J5 who didn't have any lights on.



In fairness I suspect we've all forgotten to put our lights on at sometime?

People failing to use indicators when appropriate are the cause of most annoyance, I mean how difficult is it?


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I saw someone doing that, near but not at a crossing last night. They were also not in the left hand lane of two either so got out into the middle of the carriageway.

Still not the worst I saw though. Shortly before midnight there was someone driving on the M4 between J4b and J5 who didn't have any lights on.



In fairness I suspect we've all forgotten to put our lights on at sometime?

People failing to use indicators when appropriate are the cause of most annoyance, I mean how difficult is it?


At times around here I reckon 75% of vehicles don't have indicators, at most roundabouts it's a lottery when those who do indicate often have the wrong one on. Also give way to your right seems to elude most people in this neck of the woods.

The other day I was in my road, it's a shared private one leading onto a main road. I got to the end and some bloke was reversing into it, I blew my horn as he had failed to notice I was stationary behind him. He then started ranting and raving wanting me to reverse down my private road so he could do a U turn. When he attempt the U turn he had forgot to take into account the numerous parked cars and ended up blocking the whole road for 10 seconds. He was still ranting when I drove off as I had to move so others could use the end of my private road to get past him. One old boy in one car just looked and me and pointed at the U turner and made various hand gestures!.


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When he attempt the U turn he had forgot to take into account the numerous parked cars and ended up blocking the whole road for 10 seconds. He was still ranting when I drove off as I had to move so others could use the end of my private road to get past him. One old boy in one car just looked and me and pointed at the U turner and made various hand gestures!.



He blocked the road for ten seconds? What a git!


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He blocked the road for ten seconds? What a git!


Please .... this is a private road in Oxford and 10 seconds of someones time who lives there must be the equivalent of at least 10 minutes of the time of lesser mortals.


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He blocked the road for ten seconds? What a git!


Please .... this is a private road in Oxford and 10 seconds of someones time who lives there must be the equivalent of at least 10 minutes of the time of lesser mortals.


He blocked the public road while executing his 5 point turn.


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The word I find myself muttering time and again at bad drivers is "oblivious" - very often they're driving smoothly and not fast, but have just forgotten anyone else is on / near the road.

I've had craash for cash tried on me twice (overtaking me then brakes slammed on, in old cars) - A34 and somewhere round near Ashford Middlesex where the road's 3 lanes at lights then very quickly back to 2.

I passed the IAM exam out of curiosity a few years back (learnt a bit about cornering and observation) - no you don't get better insurance premiums. As an ex-rep (including in France) I can drive like a total arsehole on occasions but these are rare(ish...) Concentrate anticipate tolerate eh?


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The funniest piece of bad driving I've encountered this year was when driving through the Chatsworth Estate a few months back.

The Estate is certainly scenic, with a fine view of the Duke of Devonshire's rather big detached house, but you have to be wary of animals wandering across the road as loads of sheep and deer display a total lack of knowledge of the green cross code....where's Tufty when you need him?!

After several instances of slowing down to avoid having extra woolly passengers travelling on the car bonnet I suddenly realised that the patience of the guy behind had snapped and he was overtaking. The problem was that he chose just about the worst possible spot where unbroken double white lines began in the middle of the road coupled with a bend in the road ahead.

As he charged past I caught a glimpse of an oncoming vehicle rounding the bend. I rapidly swung as far left as possible and pulled up. The oncoming vehicle also did an emergency stop and had a very up close and personal view of the overtaker as he desperately tried to pull back to his side of the road.

The overtaker missed becoming an ex-overtaker by inches. The driver of the oncoming vehicle looked at me and me at him. We both spread our hands and shook our heads. The overtaker pulled up about 50 yards further on. When he'd so nearly come in contact with the oncoming vehicle he'd had a nice close up view of the word POLICE emblazoned all over it. No doubt he expected the local Plod to want to discuss his driving skills with him. I reckon however that they thought him frightening himself to death was sufficient.

We started up again and found it vastly amusing just how slow and steadily the overtaker now drove as we covered the miles to Owler Bar. No doubt thinking that at any moment he'd see Derbyshire Constabulary in his rear view mirror.


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On Saturday I was queuing to get onto the Eastern Bypass at the Rose Hill Roundabout end of my road - I was 6th or 7th in queue, a car coming from the Heyford Hill direction (my right) indicated to turn left into my road and was in the correct lane to do so. The first 2 or 3 cars in the queue in my road proceeded forward onto the roundabout only to find the car was not turning left but was going straight on. He was flashing his lights, sounding his horn and braking hard as well as still indicating left!.


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On Saturday I was driving along the M56, heading for Manchester. At one point I was in the outside lane, about to overtake a car that was in the middle lane. I should point out that was doing 70mph, with cruise control on. A car came right up behind me, flashing his lights and gesturing for me to get out of the way. I was overtaking - what did he expect me to do? Slow down and pull in so that he could get past? I just waved and smiled, then carried on and pulled in after I had overtaken the car. The nobhead gave me verbals as he overtook, then swerved into the middle lane in front of me and braked. He then drove at about 62mph for the next couple of miles in the middle lane. Can't have been in that much of a hurry after all. I would really love to have had a conversation with him, so that he could explain just what exactly I was doing wrong, and why it merited what he then did. The cock.


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I had something similar happen to me. A couple of years ago I was on the A14 between Ipswich and Bury St Edmunds. Passing a junction where someone was pulling out, I moved into the clear outer lane to let them out.

At this point, someone roars up behind me and starts the light flashing, hand waving etc. Unfortunately by then the guy who I'd let out had caught me on the inside, which meant I couldn't pull back in.

When he'd gone past me, I pulled in. Instead of roaring off, the moron behind me pulled level with me, and continued to drive alongside me for a few miles. Eventually we came up behind a slow-moving lorry, at which point I slowed down to pull out and overtake. The moron slowed down too, basically trying to box me in. After 30 seconds or so of blocking me, he suddenly roared off.

The bizarre thing is that whilst we were level, he never looked at me. I do wonder what his wife and kids (who were also in the car) thought was going on...


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I had another experience of a full blown arsehole driving up the A1 just North of Doncaster. Their had been an accident on the outside lane and there was a massive traffic jam. Eventually their were signs to get into single file which most people did. I could see the accident about a mile ahead and the Police had put some cones out near their panda cars. What was slowing the traffic down, was the knob heads that ignore the single file signs and just tour down the outside lane, right up to the said cones! I decided that I'd had enough of this and just sat in the outside lane, which the other drivers near me seemed to appreciate. Then Mr full blown arsehole arrived and tried all sorts to get round me but too no avail. Then just before the accident there was a slip road, which Mr fba took and then rejoined the A1 200mtrs further down the road, pushing himself into the queue. It must have saved 1 minute of his life, but didn't stop him being a tool!



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We have had 6 months of almost completely the opposite, major works on the Eastern Bypass meant many sections were down to one lane but the section from Rose Hill to Heyford Hill was two lanes until 50 yards before the lights at the latter. There were numerous large yellow notices which said use both lanes and filter in turn, 95% of the locals just sat in the inside lane causing the queue to go back over the previous roundabout thus causing near grid lock. In doing so people just sat in the keep clear boxes on the Rose Hill roundabout and if you wanted to go straight across the roundabout you could not because it was blocked.

On the other Saturday I wanted to go straight across and a Taxi deliberately pulled up right in front of me in the keep clear box to stop me moving. Me moving would have made no difference to him as we were going in a completely different direction.


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In general I reckon that the vast majority of drivers round these parts are pretty good and sensible. Everyone makes the odd bad call but not usually deliberately. Of course, in rush hour with masses of vehicles around, there's more chance of encountering a loon. I find that normally you can pick up on them, and be wary of them, relatively early because their positioning etc is odd.

Taxi drivers can be solid or crap. Bus drivers seem really good.

However, for me, the exception that proves the rule are a bus company called Hulleys of Baslow. In all the decades I've driven the only bus drivers I've ever had any problems with are from that company. I once had one of their guys energetically making v signs at me as I passed him in the other direction and I've absolutely no idea what brought it on other than that maybe he was starting the male menopause.

Then one time on Owler Bar roundabout I saw one of their buses charging up inside on the adjacent lane and fortunately I was able to warn my other half before he pulled alongside and gave a loud prolonged blast on his horn. Because I'd spotted that he was up to something, it was almost comical. Traffic had been slowed up on the approach to the roundabout by a driver not driving quite as fast as usual for the stetch of road, perhaps he mistook me for him?! However, for a so called professional driver it was pretty pathetic.

My wife finds it really funny that if I see one of their buses I immediately go on nutter alert. Cool


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We have had 6 months of almost completely the opposite, major works on the Eastern Bypass meant many sections were down to one lane but the section from Rose Hill to Heyford Hill was two lanes until 50 yards before the lights at the latter. There were numerous large yellow notices which said use both lanes and filter in turn, 95% of the locals just sat in the inside lane causing the queue to go back over the previous roundabout thus causing near grid lock. In doing so people just sat in the keep clear boxes on the Rose Hill roundabout and if you wanted to go straight across the roundabout you could not because it was blocked.

On the other Saturday I wanted to go straight across and a Taxi deliberately pulled up right in front of me in the keep clear box to stop me moving. Me moving would have made no difference to him as we were going in a completely different direction.



Yup, 100% agree with acmold (that doesn't always happen!) - use both lanes and merge in turn even if signs don't tell you to. It makes the tailback shorter and reduces the risk of blocking junctions further back as described. Blocking the empty lane is not big or clever.

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We have had 6 months of almost completely the opposite, major works on the Eastern Bypass meant many sections were down to one lane but the section from Rose Hill to Heyford Hill was two lanes until 50 yards before the lights at the latter. There were numerous large yellow notices which said use both lanes and filter in turn, 95% of the locals just sat in the inside lane causing the queue to go back over the previous roundabout thus causing near grid lock. In doing so people just sat in the keep clear boxes on the Rose Hill roundabout and if you wanted to go straight across the roundabout you could not because it was blocked.

On the other Saturday I wanted to go straight across and a Taxi deliberately pulled up right in front of me in the keep clear box to stop me moving. Me moving would have made no difference to him as we were going in a completely different direction.



Yup, 100% agree with acmold (that doesn't always happen!) - use both lanes and merge in turn even if signs don't tell you to. It makes the tailback shorter and reduces the risk of blocking junctions further back as described. Blocking the empty lane is not big or clever.

As I put unleaded in a diesel at lunchtime I should possibly keep off this thread for a while, mind Crazy

So you think it's ok for these drivers to ignore the electronic signs on the motorways. That tell you to that a lane is blocked and to get into a single lane? This doesn't make the tailback shorter, it makes the journey for the law breakers shorter and longer for law abiding drivers.
On Canwick Hill in Lincoln, they have 3 lanes in total and the middle lane swaps direction through the day to allow the traffic to flow better. Sometimes drivers ignore this coming into Lincoln and piss everybody off, by driving past everybody and nipping in. But every now and then the Police are waiting for them and rightly hands out finesSly





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It's not telling you to get into a single lane a mile short of the incident. Or is it? Oh I dunno. A bit of research...

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/253-273-motorways agreed.

http://www.pistonheads.com/...g/topic.asp?t=917273 so sometimes preceded by arrows? I've seen this set-up once in a blue moon, usually M25 around Heathrow.

Certainly in continental Europe the logic would be to drive up to the obstacle and then merge in turn.

Yes I remember that one in Lincoln - 1988/92 I lived in Cambs and studied in Hull and much preferred the A15 drive than A1. Can't remember anyone abusing it - but it was a good way to (safely, legally) get past a few people on the way down the hill behind the cathedral. A truck-tastic route with loads of mud and spray - once I ran out of windscreen squirter, had to pull over and spit on the windscreen... and then again 10 miles later!


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Maybe the next time you are up this way! The council and government might have finally agreed whether the bypass that is going to be built. Will be a dual carriageway or the cheaper single carriageway and the chaos which is Lincoln, might actually have an end in sightCrazy



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Maybe the next time you are up this way! The council and government might have finally agreed whether the bypass that is going to be built. Will be a dual carriageway or the cheaper single carriageway and the chaos which is Lincoln, might actually have an end in sightCrazy

Off topic slightly but does traffic still come to a complete standstill for 10 minutes in the centre every time a train arrives/leaves?


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Maybe the next time you are up this way! The council and government might have finally agreed whether the bypass that is going to be built. Will be a dual carriageway or the cheaper single carriageway and the chaos which is Lincoln, might actually have an end in sightCrazy

Off topic slightly but does traffic still come to a complete standstill for 10 minutes in the centre every time a train arrives/leaves?

2 or 3 times an hourCrazy! Their is an internal relief road going to be built on Tentercroft Street, linking the High Street with Canwick Road! This might help things, but they want to get on with it and get the bloody roads built!
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Maybe the next time you are up this way! The council and government might have finally agreed whether the bypass that is going to be built. Will be a dual carriageway or the cheaper single carriageway and the chaos which is Lincoln, might actually have an end in sightCrazy

Off topic slightly but does traffic still come to a complete standstill for 10 minutes in the centre every time a train arrives/leaves?

2 or 3 times an hourCrazy! Their is an internal relief road going to be built on Tentercroft Street, linking the High Street with Canwick Road! This might help things, but they want to get on with it and get the bloody roads built!
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthelincolnite.co.uk%2F2012%2F03%2Flincoln-east-west-link-road-plans-submitted%2F&ei=P2KRVM-yOcy9UaT2g6gN&usg=AFQjCNHnQrVBVzityhrexd13uuYkF8OM-Q

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Sadly I see all the things mentioned here on a pretty regular basis. I drive between Jct 12 and 5 on the M4, every day for work. Accidents are regular, usually every day, little shunts mostly.

But, I reckon many are caused by moronic drivers, drivers not focusing on the road, and just general poor driving and road rage.

A few weeks ago, I was on the A4 going out towards Newbury, due to problems on the M4, the A4 was unusually busy, just outside Newbury, at a roundabout, the forward facing traffic again came to a halt, I came half way into the roundabout, but then stopped for like 30 seconds to allow cars approaching from my left to come across the roundabout, to then be flashed by a car behind, who clearly needed immediately to turn right at the roundabout, so I moved over to allow space for him. I looked over as he drove past, very fast, to see him give me the w*nkers sign. What was more shocking was the child in the front seat with him, girl of 10ish, who will probably grow up believing her dad's behaviour was accpetable. He drove off at some speed in his 4x4 wagon, tssr.

But, middle lane driving, really makes me mad. Seems they are some, that get comfortable in the middle lane, don't understand the rules of the motorway, and are happily oblivious to the build up of traffic behind them.

I can't say I've noticed if it's older drivers, or male/female, no type really, but it's extremely annoying.



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What was more shocking was the child in the front seat with him, girl of 10ish, who will probably grow up believing her dad's behaviour was accpetable. He drove off at some speed in his 4x4 wagon, tssr.

I wouldn't worry. Someone who's a proper twat behind a wheel is also a proper twat when not in a car. If she has any functioning brain cells (obviously not from his side of the family) the daughter will work that one out for herself.


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On middle lane sitting generally: near me is a rather marvelous stretch of the A1(M) with four lanes in each direction. This obviously creates a conundrum for the average MLS; which is the middle lane? My research shows that they are about evenly split in their opinion. Half of them sit in lane two and the other half in lane three. Only when under great pressure from HGVs do lane they consider entering lane one. Many are allergic to lane four, to the extent that they would prefer to slow down rather than use it to overtake a slower vehicle.


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I have been known to break the speed limit if time is tight or the road is empty on my way back from a midweek match but generally keep to 70mph on motorways. This does mean that I spend a lot of time in the middle lane. Being the pedant that I am if I come across someone ahead of me who is doing 69.5mph (at least according to my speedo) I will pull out and overtake. I see little point in going into the inside lane if I constantly have to pull out into the middle lane when I catch up with slower vehicles, especially if when that happens I am held up by someone coming down the middle lane at 80mph and I can't get out making my average speed drop to below 70. So I tend to hog the middle lane, but then I am doing 70 and theoretically at least should not be holding anyone up.

The thing that not so much annoys as intrigues me is when I am in the middle lane and someone is behind me for mile after mile with plenty of opportunity to overtake. If the traffic eases off and I think it is worth it I will drop into the inside lane at which point the person behind me accelerates and overtakes me. At times I decide to accelerate as well to see what will happen and have been up to 90 or 95 with the middle laner in echelon behind me and still trying to go faster. Why didn't they overtake much earlier? Don't they like the outside lane?


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The thing that not so much annoys as intrigues me is when I am in the middle lane and someone is behind me for mile after mile with plenty of opportunity to overtake. If the traffic eases off and I think it is worth it I will drop into the inside lane at which point the person behind me accelerates and overtakes me. At times I decide to accelerate as well to see what will happen and have been up to 90 or 95 with the middle laner in echelon behind me and still trying to go faster. Why didn't they overtake much earlier? Don't they like the outside lane?




I assume this is a wind up but, if it's not, you've answered something that has often intrigued me. Now I know why some drivers moronically decide to accelerate when they're being overtaken - it's "to see what will happen" Crazy


Incidentally, what does happen when this little experiment reaches 90-95mph?


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Rule 119 in the Highway Code (at least when I was learning) - "Don't accelerate whilst being overtaken."

Of course the circumstance I am describing is not an overtaking one. Just two lanes of traffic capable of moving at different speeds.

The 90-95 mph was only once and I don't know which one of us gave up first, I suspect it was me as I probably felt that if I had a point to make I had made it (if only to myself). It's just a case of sheer curiosity as to why some people moronically follow me for mile after mile at 70 when they could overtake and then immediately accelerate when I pull over. I suspect there are plenty of people who drive without much regard to the speed they are doing and just put their foot down when the car in front disappears from view still without ever checking their speed. I guess I was interested to see how fast it would get to before they did realise what speed they were doing.


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Going up the big hill on the A2 heading North near Northfleet there was a long que for the Blue water shopping turn off and it is amazing how many people que jump, trying to cut in a the end even blocking thethird lane to do so.

Do we not have cameras to stop this?


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Had to go out early today Took over an hour to get to the A34 which is less than two miles away. The section has had 7 million on it recently On reaching the roundabout above the A34 there was a 4x4 mounted on top of a BMW The police had coned off two lanes to cause gridlock Presume the BMW stopped at a green light (this happens all the time around here) or the 4x4 had failed to stop at red or more likely the case not noticed the lights as we all know they don't apply to 4x4's


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C'mon get it right, it was an Audi! Wink

http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/...p_on_top_of_another/

Just to the right of that photo I've come across cars waiting on a roundabout-avoiding slip road thinking the red light applied to them when it doesn't; but the new junction at the bottom of the hill has some traffic lights hiding round a bend, pretty hair-raising as brakes are slammed on in realisation.


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Had to go out early today Took over an hour to get to the A34 which is less than two miles away. The section has had 7 million on it recently On reaching the roundabout above the A34 there was a 4x4 mounted on top of a BMW The police had coned off two lanes to cause gridlock Presume the BMW stopped at a green light (this happens all the time around here) or the 4x4 had failed to stop at red or more likely the case not noticed the lights as we all know they don't apply to 4x4's



Not far from here a long straight stretch of dual carriageway had a roundabout constructed to ease access for a road joining it. For the first couple of months it was in use just about each time I approached there was a car stranded in the middle of it (and it was raised up quite a bit) having belted down the road and been unaware of the changed road layout.

At the time I went to pick up a French friend from the local airport and explained to him about the happenings at the new roundabout. And when we got to it we were not disappointed!


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A week or so back the snows came. I dug out the drive, cleared the car and made it on to one of the major routes our cash strapped council are still gritting and snow ploughing.

Traffic was lighter than usual in the rush hour but all was well..... apart from the guy in the lane alongside me on the ring road dual carriageway who pulled up at a set of lights only to discover the hard way just why you clear snow from the roof of your vehicle before starting out.

A great big solid lump of snow slid from the roof of his car and completely covered the front windscreen apart from a tiny sliver across the top. As I pulled away I could see him desperately trying to jerk the car enough to shake the snow loose. Not a cat in hell's chance.

It would have been fun to have hung round to watch him get out of the driver's seat and shift it from the screen whilst a queue built up behind him and all around there was, no doubt, much laughter and one single unanimous thought.

What a prat. Cool


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Most don't seem to be able to handle the filter lanes on both the Hinksey Hill and Kennington / Abingdon Road roundabouts Or 75% of the local population are colour blind daft or senile The new hamburger bit already has a dip in the middle We await to see what mayhem can be achieved at the Milton Interchange


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Going up the big hill on the A2 heading North near Northfleet there was a long que for the Blue water shopping turn off and it is amazing how many people que jump, trying to cut in a the end even blocking thethird lane to do so.

Do we not have cameras to stop this?



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A week or so back the snows came. I dug out the drive, cleared the car and made it on to one of the major routes our cash strapped council are still gritting and snow ploughing.

Traffic was lighter than usual in the rush hour but all was well..... apart from the guy in the lane alongside me on the ring road dual carriageway who pulled up at a set of lights only to discover the hard way just why you clear snow from the roof of your vehicle before starting out.

A great big solid lump of snow slid from the roof of his car and completely covered the front windscreen apart from a tiny sliver across the top. As I pulled away I could see him desperately trying to jerk the car enough to shake the snow loose. Not a cat in hell's chance.

It would have been fun to have hung round to watch him get out of the driver's seat and shift it from the screen whilst a queue built up behind him and all around there was, no doubt, much laughter and one single unanimous thought.

What a prat. Cool



That is actually an offence to be driving a car with excessive snow on the roof.


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That is actually an offence to be driving a car with excessive snow on the roof.


Is there actually anything you can do with or in a car that hasn't been criminalised?


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That is actually an offence to be driving a car with excessive snow on the roof.


Is there actually anything you can do with or in a car that hasn't been criminalised?



Well is there any reasonable excuse for not removing snow from the car roof before setting off? Obviously it might be a bit more difficult if you're driving a double deckers busMad


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That is actually an offence to be driving a car with excessive snow on the roof.


Is there actually anything you can do with or in a car that hasn't been criminalised?


Driving one responsibly?