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Western League Applicants 2017/18 or Reply Privately

Any news?

Did I see rumours on here of Elmore from Devon and Exeter League?

Bristol Telephones, Thornbury and Stonehouse from Gloucestershire?

Frys, Middlezoy and Staplegrove from Somerset League?

Any transfers from Peninsula, say Axminster?

No applicants from Wiltshire or transfers from Hellenic?


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Any news?

Did I see rumours on here of Elmore from Devon and Exeter League?

Bristol Telephones, Thornbury and Stonehouse from Gloucestershire?

Frys, Middlezoy and Staplegrove from Somerset League?

Any transfers from Peninsula, say Axminster?

No applicants from Wiltshire or transfers from Hellenic?



The only step 7 applicants are the Bristol Telephones, Stonehouse & Thornbury. The list is on my post #75 on the Step 7 applicants thread. As for teams wanting to laterally transfer, they have until the 31st March to apply to do so. The only clubs that might actually do this across the whole country are probably Stone OA WMRL to the NWCL1(I think they might have a better chance next season when the NWCL1 is regionalised into 2 divisions). Unless Carlisle City stick a transfer in from the NWCL1 to the NL2. If any SWPL want to transfer I'm sure Phil would already have heard something.


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Re: [windydcfc] Western League Applicants 2017/18 or Reply Privately

Very surprised Middlezoy didn't apply from Somerset as they submitted a planning application for lights and a new stand. Same with Frys they have everything in place now.

Where did your list come from? I was looking for an official FA news release but no luck.


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Where did your list come from? I was looking for an official FA news release but no luck.


I saw an official release through the NWCL website: http://www.hallmarksecurityleague.com/...articles.php?id=5643


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Where did your list come from? I was looking for an official FA news release but no luck.


I saw an official release through the NWCL website: http://www.hallmarksecurityleague.com/...articles.php?id=5643



That's identical to the list I posted.


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Disappointing from the Somerset League clubs then. Maybe Middlezoy and Staplegrove see it as a bit too early as they've not long been at step 7 and Frys may feel they are too far off the pace


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THe list that included Elmore was the much maligned one seemingly written as a wish list with no basis in reality.

Axminster cannot transfer froim Step 7 to Step 6 and Elmore cannot be promoted from Step 8 to Step 6, esp as they may not even finish in the top 3 of the D & E league !



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Bristol Telephones have apparently acquired Melksham's old floodlights to help their promotion bid, and now believe everything is in place if they can finish high enough in the Gloucestershire County, according to

http://www.gloucestershirefa.com/.../local-football-news


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Bristol Telephones have apparently acquired Melksham's old floodlights to help their promotion bid, and now believe everything is in place if they can finish high enough in the Gloucestershire County, according to

http://www.gloucestershirefa.com/.../local-football-news



They don't want to be waiting until 'the Summer' to install them, then - as Manager is quoted saying. Deadline is March 31st.!



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Bristol Telephones have apparently acquired Melksham's old floodlights to help their promotion bid, and now believe everything is in place if they can finish high enough in the Gloucestershire County, according to

http://www.gloucestershirefa.com/.../local-football-news



They don't want to be waiting until 'the Summer' to install them, then - as Manager is quoted saying. Deadline is March 31st.!


They wouldn't have to have them installed by 31st March, or even by the start of next season. All they need to prove is that everything is in place (planning permission, equipment purchased etc) for the ground to be floodlit during the season, by the end of September, if I remember rightly.


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30th September is the earliest deadline to install, after that leagues "may" impose penalties but a club is only relegated for non-compliance f they are not installed by March 31st following promotion.



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THe list that included Elmore was the much maligned one seemingly written as a wish list with no basis in reality.

Axminster cannot transfer froim Step 7 to Step 6 and Elmore cannot be promoted from Step 8 to Step 6, esp as they may not even finish in the top 3 of the D & E league !


I know this is only theory but couldn't Elmore apply directly to step 6 if there was a vacancy as they are outside the pyramid? There is no such thing as step 8? I know the South West has a good internal pyramid but if they're outwith step 7 they're not in the FA pyramid.



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THe list that included Elmore was the much maligned one seemingly written as a wish list with no basis in reality.

Axminster cannot transfer froim Step 7 to Step 6 and Elmore cannot be promoted from Step 8 to Step 6, esp as they may not even finish in the top 3 of the D & E league !


I know this is only theory but couldn't Elmore apply directly to step 6 if there was a vacancy as they are outside the pyramid? There is no such thing as step 8? I know the South West has a good internal pyramid but if they're outwith step 7 they're not in the FA pyramid.

There has to be a space for them available. This is after all the normal promotion & relegation issues have been sorted. If a WL team has been placed in a relegation spot & there is a space. At the WL Agm, the clubs would vote to keep an existing clubs, rather than allow a team from outside the pyramid to replace them. Also the FA have told clubs outside the pyramid, that they are tightening up on allowing teams from outside the pyramid to be promoted. Those teams will almost certainly be told to join a step 7 league.


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No as their is a formal promotion & relegation link between the SWP and the Devon & Exeter League in place.



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No as their is a formal promotion & relegation link between the SWP and the Devon & Exeter League in place.



Okay, so they've got absolutely no chance of them joining the WL


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No as their is a formal promotion & relegation link between the SWP and the Devon & Exeter League in place.



Okay, so they've got absolutely no chance of them joining the WL


Well, surely actually there is a chance.

A precedent has been set - as you say clubs from LEAGUES entirely outside of Step 7 can apply directly for a Step 6 place if a vacancy exists, a la FC Oswestry Town and Whitchurch Alport have done in the North West.

The Western League is two short of capacity. And as things currently stand only Stonehouse Town will go up from its feeder divisions, AND EVEN THEN, they are so far in Gloucestershire that they could end up being put in the Hellenic League.

So if Elmore want it, surely they could get it?


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No as their is a formal promotion & relegation link between the SWP and the Devon & Exeter League in place.



Okay, so they've got absolutely no chance of them joining the WL


Well, surely actually there is a chance.

A precedent has been set - as you say clubs from LEAGUES entirely outside of Step 7 can apply directly for a Step 6 place if a vacancy exists, a la FC Oswestry Town and Whitchurch Alport have done in the North West.

The Western League is two short of capacity. And as things currently stand only Stonehouse Town will go up from its feeder divisions, AND EVEN THEN, they are so far in Gloucestershire that they could end up being put in the Hellenic League.

So if Elmore want it, surely they could get it?



Skegness Town have received a response from the FA after applying directly to the NCEL & the UCL. The new hierarchy within the FA will be taking a harder stance on clubs applying directly for promotion, from outside the pyramid. The FA will be pushing for clubs to join step 7 leagues. We will see what happens.


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I see that planning has been granted for Bristol Telephones lights. Do they get many watch them? Thriving club house? Not a bad set up when I looked through the fence last week. 1seating stand, perimeter path will need seated stand too as not sure the covered stand has those?

Looks like Thornbury however has withdrawn their application for floodlights etc according to South Gloucs planning website.


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That is true, plus money talks!

If, for example, a Jersey FC were to apply to the Wessex/Combined Counties League for a place in one of their leagues and had the funds etc. like Guernsey FC then it would be hard to stop them if they had a ground worthy of Wessex/Combined Counties League football.

Not saying that a Jersey FC will happen, but you never know! If a Step 7 side could not move up due to ground-grading and Jersey FC could fill a gap then maybe it would be worth a go.


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The Western League is two short of capacity. And as things currently stand only Stonehouse Town will go up from its feeder divisions, AND EVEN THEN, they are so far in Gloucestershire that they could end up being put in the Hellenic League.

So if Elmore want it, surely they could get it?


Interesting day today, with Bristol Telephones winning away and Stonehouse losing at home, the pendulum seems to be swinging Telephones way. With the news that Gillingham Town are pulling out of the Western League, as well, there look like being some spare places in the League next season.


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Could both of them (Bristol Telephones and Stonehouse Town) go up from the GCL, if they're going to separate leagues (Western and Hellenic)?


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Stonehouse I think, might argue Slimbridge as a case in point for the TSL promotion, not to mention Malmsbury.



Have no Plan A and apply it rigidly..


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TSL?


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Don't think so they have refused it in the past.


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Tool Station League, possibly. Though it's the Toolstation Western League, of course.


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Sorry yes Toolstation or Western, being a bit too parochial with my abbreviations



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If a Jersey F.C. received funding like their rugby (at the second level of the national game) or netball (third level) then they would have to play at Springfield, St. Helier. It is a 3G "cage" with a 900 seater main stand. It would presumably pass muster.


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Could stone house town come to the western league? Any lateral transfers from the swp into the premier division? Any movement for tytherington rocks from the Hellenic to the first division of the twl. The rocks could argue that they are closer to most sides in our division compared to sides in their league geographically.

Thornbury town planning permission for lights had been rejected following complaints from residents. Leaving just stone house town who have finished 2nd and Bristol telephones only options for promotion.

Whatchet won the Somerset premier but lack facilities and floodlights to be promoted. Seems only side that could be promoted from the Somerset county league at present with facilities already in place is Frys club (didn't apply this year). Only other clubs in that league who play at viable grounds but not in step 7 are Glastonbury town, minehead, purnells sports (Paulton Rovers ground) and frome town sports (frome town ground).

In the Wiltshire league No one applied for promotion although Shrewton looked to fund raise to get their ground back up to the required standard.

With all of this in mind and no lateral transfers seems like almondsbury uwe (may not finish bottom yet!) will be reprieved due to lack of promotion candidates.

With regard to restructing the leagues I have heard a rumour that they will look to introduce first division play offs next season. Promoting the top two clubs and 3rd - 6th play enter play offs. This will if happens keep games competitive towards the end of the season. It will also keep supporters interested and increase revenue for clubs involved. It would also mean sending three teams down from the prem keeping that side of the table interested.


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Both the Hellenic and Western are running out of applicants. I wrote in another thread as they both have large rural areas many clubs can't get permission for lights like Thornbury. If Stonehouse went to the Western and a team from the SWP you are expanding the footprint even further. If Tytherington moved the Western League should give someone to the Hellenic. The Hellenic is being nimbled at by leagues surrounding it for clubs to bolster their numbers then criticised for not being very good. Someone at the F.A should sit down with a map each season and tidy up a few leagues. There should a east - west line drawn between the Hellenic and SML each season. The same with the CoCo and Hellenic. A north - south line between the SML and CoCo and a east - west between the CoCo and Wessex. And some sort of line between the Hellenic and Western. In all cases to cut down travelling.


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Trouble with the planning permission etc it's all down to location and local councils and communities. E.g if your surrounded by locals who want the club to progress and don't mind lights being on once a week twice at most then they will gain planning, if not your won't progress. Trouble is everyone in the twl at the moment can make a stake that they have games or clubs within 20mins of their own ground. E.g Malmesbury with Calne, Chippenham Park, Devizes (30mins) corsham (25/30mins) closest away game being about 45 minutes and no local Derby in the Hellenic. This rule is could be applied to with tytherington rocks closest games almondsbury uwe and Roman glass (GFA pitch) 3/5 miles closest game in Hellenic 45 minutes. This would be a reason they are struggling yet again to attract players at the club as most lads from Bristol can play in the twl with little travel. Clubs such as Wellington, bishops lydeard are most clubs longest journey at step 6 twl with it being over 1hour 20mins plus.

If the Hellenic dismantled could clubs join other leagues without huge amount of travelling?


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We had that many times and basically the clubs from most of Oxfordshire and the Swindon area just don't fit anywhere.

Re Malmesbury and the other clubs you mention they would have less travelling in the Hellenic West than the Western.


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According to Google Malmesbury to Devizes is 45 minutes, quite a number of Hellenic West sides are within 45 minutes. In fact the longest journey I could find (timewise) was to Banbury and that is less than a number in the Western.


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Even clubs that are in towns can't get planning for lights, look at Nailsea United and Thornbury.

Middlezoy have applied for planning for lights, maybe they will come up next season, I think Staplegrove are keen to progress too. I expext Frys may be in position next season too.


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Sorry to admit but I've already been a bit of a geek on this one and I can see why Malmesbury would rather be in the Western league. Although there is not a great deal in the distances most clubs are under 50 mins in the western league for them. Also player recruitment is easier as they get players from around chippenham/calne/ corsham area. Hellenic league travel for Malmesbury
Hook norton 1hr 11 mins
North Leigh 1 hour 6 min
Fairford 36 mins
Woodstock 1 hour 12 mins
Abingdon 1 hour 7mins
Purton 24mins
Short wood 26mins
Shiverham 45 mins
Eastington sports (Banbury) 1hour 23min
Milton united 59 minutes
Letcombe 57 mins
Clan field 55 mins
New college 40 mins
Cheltenham 1 hour
Tytherington rock 43minutes

Gl12 8uj rocks post code
Western league

Chippenham 22 mins
Calne 34 mins
Corsham 29mins
Devizes 43mins
Bristol 41 mins (most of the clubs)
Almondsbury 35 mins
Westbury 47mins
Warminster 55mins

Longest games but this usually are for most sides in the league: bishop lydeard 1hr 30mins
Wellington 1 hour 24mins


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I would say 20 to 30 clubs in the Hellenic area (if you include the ones already in the league) have had planning for lights / new grounds turned down in the last 20 odd years. It's even a problem now to get a rail and temporary dugouts in many places. Added to the fact at the start of this current season Oxfordshire (OFA area) only had one 3G / 4G pitch sanctioned for mens football and that does not allow spectators inside the cage . Plus the running down, price increases and availability of Council facilities the future is not looking good. And as in another thread the Bristol area seems to be going the same way with council facilities as are many other places I presume.


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Here is another club which should also be western league. Tytherington rocks gl12 8uj

If was in the western league looks at the less travelling they would also do with more local derbies and probably more players willing to join them. To games under 13 mins away is crazy to think they can't move across. It must be down to lack of facilities however they have floodlights, hardstanding, stand with min capacity etc

Almondsbury 13 mins
Roman glass (GFA) 13mins
Hallen (if relegated from prem 25mins)
Bitton (if relegated from prem 33mins)
Hengrove- 42 mins
Keynsham- 35 mins
Ashton and Backwell- 37mins
Chippenham Park 40mins
Calne 55mins
Bishop sutton 52mins
Warminster 1 hour 6 mins
Wellington 1hour 5mins


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Completely agree appears to be a problem at grass roosts and semi pro level. The pro clubs are getting richer or in more debt (crazy business methods) and the non league clubs are becoming poorer. This is due to falling attendances, lack of interest, people can't afford to go games like they used to. Most can't afford to spend x amount on days out, enterance fee, drink etc. Even in my opinion it's better value for money then most league clubs. This also has a knock on effect on the playing side most players wouldn't work or go on holiday during the season.


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Here is another club which should also be western league. Tytherington rocks gl12 8uj


It would be madness to keep extending the Western League catchment area North and East. Where next? Wootton Bassett, then Swindon?

I can remember when half the Western League Premier Division was from Devon & Cornwall. Now we're just down to two clubs - Buckland Athletic and Willand Rovers


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No don't think that would extend there footprint to Swindon nor do I think they should. I believe it should be done on club by club basis to what's closest to them. They create the swp for that reason alone would cripple clubs having to go down to Cornwall and Devon every other week from Somerset, Wiltshire and Gloucestershire. Again clubs from Dorset Was given a choice when they came up from the step 7 tongoneother western league or Wessex.


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No don't think that would extend there footprint to Swindon nor do I think they should. I believe it should be done on club by club basis to what's closest to them. They create the swp for that reason alone would cripple clubs having to go down to Cornwall and Devon every other week from Somerset, Wiltshire and Gloucestershire. Again clubs from Dorset Was given a choice when they came up from the step 7 tongoneother western league or Wessex.


Quite. That's why the majority of Wilts & Glos clubs should be in the Hellenic. You can't just have a Bristol & environs league at Step 5/6 level and stuff everyone else.

Where do you expect Devon & Cornwall clubs go if they are ready for Step 5 football?


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I think Tytherington should be allowed in the Western and the line sbould be drawn around Thornbury. But in east any club nearer Swindon than Bristol is probably better in the Hellenic.

As Richard says where do you stop Wootton Bassett but then the likes of Fairford, Highworth, Shrivenham and Clanfield might want to move across. It's easier to get to them for many Western League clubs than it is to Bridport, Willand and Wellington.

You could form a marvellous Hybrid Western / Hellenic league on an area in and around the Cotswolds. Bristol, Bath, Cheltenham, Gloucester, Oxford, Swindon and rural Berkshire but it would muck other areas up.


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There has is no rule stopping Devon and Cornwall clubs coming across from the swp to step 5. However facilities and probably lack of funding the travel has put most off. The rule with wilts and glos clubs has never exisited! Westbury, Calne, corsham etc all been western league or wilts prem for as long as I can remember. I'm sure they would be chuffed to monkeys having to go to Milton or Banbury as suggested rather then radstock town or welton (20 mins down the road).All I am saying is both tytherington rocks and Malmesbury both should be western league. One flaw on this that chipping sodbury are in western prem a couple of miles down the road and rocks aren't.


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There has is no rule stopping Devon and Cornwall clubs coming across from the swp to step 5. However facilities and probably lack of funding the travel has put most off. The rule with wilts and glos clubs has never exisited! Westbury, Calne, corsham etc all been western league or wilts prem for as long as I can remember. I'm sure they would be chuffed to monkeys having to go to Milton or Banbury as suggested rather then radstock town or welton (20 mins down the road).All I am saying is both tytherington rocks and Malmesbury both should be western league. One flaw on this that chipping sodbury are in western prem a couple of miles down the road and rocks aren't.


Can I just mention here that Tytherington Rocks and Malmesbury Victoria are both Step 6 and Chipping Sodbury are Step 5.

There is a rule that stops SWP clubs transferring to Step 5, it's called "Promotion" and the more and more the Western League Premier extends back into Wiltshire and up into Gloucestershire the harder it is to persuade eligible SWP clubs to take that deserved promotion to Step 5.



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There has is no rule stopping Devon and Cornwall clubs coming across from the swp to step 5


Of course there isn't. But every time you extend the Western League North or East, you make it more and more difficult.


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There has is no rule stopping Devon and Cornwall clubs coming across from the swp to step 5


Of course there isn't. But every time you extend the Western League North or East, you make it more and more difficult.


I agree with this point, but in my opinion the SW Peninsula League should be looking to upgrade to Steps 5 and 6, it is worthy of it and like Kent clubs be given time to adjust their grounds to meet the higher requirements. I know that this will be impossible for some, but it must be worth a good try for this.

I also remember as a player the long trips in the Western League to Falmouth Town, including one on August Bank Holiday.

If Devon and Cornwall has a Step 5 and 6 league, then Somerset, Wiltshire and Gloucestershire can become the hubs for the Western League.


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Again not sure what map you are using Radstock is nearly 30 miles across country from the likes of Calne while Milton is 40 miles which is mostly Motorway and Dual Carriageway.

Also the Thames Valley clubs are one hour or so along the M4 from many of the Wiltshire clubs which is far nearer than many of the outlying Western League clubs.

The nearest club in the top few of the SWP this season is Tavistock while the rest are Cornish there is no way I presume they would never
come up as the Western League stands at the moment.

I was at an Hellenic game today I don't think any of the east Gloucestershire clubs of north Wiltshire clubs want Western League football even if the SWP was step 5 and 6. They all look to Swindon and Cirencester as their "big" towns not Bristol. Also the north east clubs in Gloucestershire seem to be pulling out of the Gloucestershire Pyramid as travelling is to far for them. Oxford and Swindon is the area they look to.


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Re: [acmold] Western League Applicants 2017/18 or Reply Privately

Did I see something about Corsham being in trouble a couple months back? Are they staying in Western League?


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Looks like they are okay now, at least according to their website.

This press release was posted on their website on March 3rd:

Corsham Town Football Club – Press Release 03/03/2017

Following the club’s EGM on Thursday night, Chris Perry will take on the role of Chairman until the club holds its AGM in May.

Chris will be forming a new committee in the next few days to ensure the club fulfils its commitments to both The Toolstation Western League and The Wiltshire League.

Nigel Tripp has been reinstated as first team manager with immediate effect.

Statement from the Chairman:

“This has been a difficult three weeks for the club and I hope we can put this behind us now and look to the future.

I would like to thank Mel Gingell and Pete Ralph for stepping in to manage the first team for the last two fixtures, it was a difficult job but they managed to put out a competitive team at very short notice.

The remaining fixtures will be difficult for Nigel as many of the players he bought to the club have now moved on but with the help of the reserve team he is confident that we will fulfil all our remaining fixtures.

At last night’s EGM members expressed some genuine concerns regarding the running of the club which I have taken on board and will be addressing in the next few weeks.

My immediate aim is to stabilise the club, over the past year or so we have lost some very good people. Fans and volunteers are at the heart of a club like ours and I would welcome new support to help put together a strong committee that have a united vision on the best way forward.

The fans have been very patient during this time of uncertainty and I want to assure them that I will endeavour to build a football club that they can be proud of once again.”

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Re: [acmold] Western League Applicants 2017/18 or Reply Privately

Interesting discussion. Having lived in the area for 20 years and been involved with one club (Calne) I actually used to suggest half jokingly they considered moving to the Hellenic. For a while the chairman and backroom staff were from a Swindon background too. There's far too much competition in the area for resources at the moment both financial and playing.

In reality I think the Hellenic needs to have its westward reach protected. The influx of Bristol Area clubs to the Western has already pushed its footprint way further North than it was when I moved down here as well. Incidentally talking to people at Lydney they seemed pretty sure Stonehouse if promoted would go Hellenic.



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When did the Western League take it's first club from the Gloucestershire County League for many years that fed only the Hellenic. It's only since the South Western sides started to leave the Western that it has taken Gloucestershire County sides?.


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When did the Western League take it's first club from the Gloucestershire County League for many years that fed only the Hellenic. It's only since the South Western sides started to leave the Western that it has taken Gloucestershire County sides?.


I think that must have been Bitton in 1997.


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When did the Western League take it's first club from the Gloucestershire County League for many years that fed only the Hellenic. It's only since the South Western sides started to leave the Western that it has taken Gloucestershire County sides?.


I think that must have been Bitton in 1997.


Thanks Richard, so many years after the Hellenic.


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Re: [blackdouglas] Western League Applicants 2017/18 or Reply Privately

Yes we understand that they are different steps 5/6 but distance between each one is like saying Chipping Sodbury should be in the Hellenic premier division because Tytherington Rocks are in the Hellenic in theory although both are closer to the footprint of western league clubs.

With regards to your SWP Clubs transferring western prem division (step 5 to step 6), we know that its only possible through 'promotion' however again is nothing stopping them applying if in the correct position and facilities are up together. Most clubs in wiltshire will argue the fact they have always been western league and would rather stay western league than travel to Oxfordshire etc.

Again your not going to please everyone but my point is that if Tytherington was western league they have two games in 13mins distance compared to 45 mins etc.


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Re: [Stretch06] Western League Applicants 2017/18 or

There are many examples where this happens. There are 4 or 5 clubs in the Hellenic that would be better off in the CoCo. There is total mix up in the Chilterns with no logic of who is in the SML / Hellenic. There is the overlap in Staffordshire between the NWC and West Mids. There is a case of a CoCo sharing a ground the Wessex footprint. Then there is Tadley and Aldermaston one mile apart one in the Wessex but rumoured to want to transfer to the CoCo while the other in the Hellenic. The Pyramid would be better and travelling less is the F.A sorted all these out.

The current problem with Western / Hellenic appears to have started in 1997. Since then the Western has drifted north into Hellenic territory which in turn cuts off the South West.


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The current problem with Western / Hellenic appears to have started in 1997. Since then the Western has drifted north into Hellenic territory which in turn cuts off the South West.


But I genuinely think that a lot of people either can't see that or literally don't give a flying f***.

As long as clubs like Tytherington Rocks can play a few Bristol sides "because its closer to us" than some Oxfordshire town and other clubs like them wanting to build a Bristol/South Glos Super League, its all fine, screw the real South West.

The answer isn't to keep allowing sides like Tytherington into the Western, the answer is to move the Western League sides that Tytherington want to play out of the Western League to join Rocks in the Hellenic!


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Well, if the Western League goes to a 20/20 split, then Calne Town might well find themselves moved over into the Hellenic next season.


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Heard earlier that Uxbridge Reserves might be joining the Hellenic Division 1 East next season.


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I know its pedantic, but these and other estimated travel times are wildly optimistic. as a non-league traveller in these areas mid-week, there is no way even after the game, you'd get to or from in these times. its all relevant however, but serioulsy, you'd need a helecopter, or prepare for points on your licence..



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Hearing strong rumours that Bristol Telephones promotion into the Western League from the Gloucestershire County League is now in doubt due to a problem with a grant they received to purchase floodlights. Been told they are hopeful rather than confident in getting it sorted.


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Re: [swjoduk] Western League Applicants 2017/18 or Reply Privately

I don't think Middlezoy Rovers will be in a position to apply for a couple of years, the planning permission is all in and there doesn't seem to be any problems. But work hasn't started at all yet. The main pitch is to be turned around 90 degrees, trees and old changing rooms etc all need to come down as well. The plans look very good , a brand new clubhouse and changing rooms, new car parking etc as well.


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I don't think Middlezoy Rovers will be in a position to apply for a couple of years, the planning permission is all in and there doesn't seem to be any problems. But work hasn't started at all yet. The main pitch is to be turned around 180 degrees ???!!!, trees and old changing rooms etc all need to come down as well. The plans look very good , a brand new clubhouse and changing rooms, new car parking etc as well. Certainly a club on the up.
The club is a Bridgwater club, all the decent talent seems to be ignoring Bridgwater Town and playing for Middlezoy.




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Sorry, 90 degrees!!!!!!!!!Cool
Don't tell anyone!!!!


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Sorry, 90 degrees!!!!!!!!!Cool
Don't tell anyone!!!!


I heard they were turning it 270 degrees.


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That can't be right ; each set of goal-posts would be at the wrong end


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I'm not following this at all..
but then I don't have a degree



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I think you're being a bit obtuse, but then I may be looking at this from the wrong angle.


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Re: [Mister TwoU] Western League Applicants 2017/18 or Reply Privately

I am aware of the Chard Town pitch issue but why do Devizes and Radstock fail ground grading?

I saw Radstocks lights on a few months ago so can't be that?

Both grounds hosted premier div football not that long ago.

I do think Tytherington should swap with Malmesbury but still not happened.


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Many of the clubs that don't have the grading fail on off the field things like dressing rooms and toilets. Likewise many of those that don't have floodlights pass on off the field facilities, Letcombe have step 3 dressing rooms and step 4 toilets but they can't get lights. I'm sure Olney have everything but can't take a gate as it's in a public park. Devizes is a lovely ground but it's in the "old style" not sure how they would do on hardstanding as well. I've been to two Western League Premier grounds recently and I presume they have the grading to be where they are but they would not be allowed in the Hellenic Premier because they would say they are not enclosed. Floodlights and a stand do not make the grading alone, and it seems different leagues seem to look at things differently.


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Indeed ground grading failures are often for things that are far from obvious - Saltash United previously played at Step 5 but currently failed at Step 6 all for in affect a missing piece of pitchside barrier at a tight corner of the ground, they had actually done it before March 31st but as the ground grading people have not confirmed it (despite a photo) they are still listed as not having the grading.
Falmouth is a quite superb ground but they fail as issues like hard standing being bound cost so much more to remedy in a huge quirky ground than would say at a more modern flat rec ground.



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Indeed ground grading failures are often for things that are far from obvious - Saltash United previously played at Step 5 but currently failed at Step 6 all for in affect a missing piece of pitchside barrier at a tight corner of the ground, they had actually done it before March 31st but as the ground grading people have not confirmed it (despite a photo) they are still listed as not having the grading.
Falmouth is a quite superb ground but they fail as issues like hard standing being bound cost so much more to remedy in a huge quirky ground than would say at a more modern flat rec ground.


I see the AGM was yesterday. Any info coming from it yet?


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I see the AGM was yesterday. Any info coming from it yet?


Only thing I've seen is that the draw for the League Cup (Les Phillips) was made...nothing else



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I see Gillingham Town are missing from the draw.

Bristol Telephones are included as are Bridgwater who presumably have replaced Bristol Manor Farm.

Is it possible Gillingham have gone to the Wessex?. As always the Western and Wessex Leagues are very slow in declaring their constitutions and none of the web sites give a clue.


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I see Gillingham Town are missing from the draw.

Bristol Telephones are included as are Bridgwater who presumably have replaced Bristol Manor Farm.

Is it possible Gillingham have gone to the Wessex?. As always the Western and Wessex Leagues are very slow in declaring their constitutions and none of the web sites give a clue.


Gillingham Town announced well before the end of the season that they were taking voluntary demotion to Step 7 and the Dorset Premier League to enable them to concentrate all their resources on their new ground.


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I see Gillingham Town are missing from the draw.

Bristol Telephones are included as are Bridgwater who presumably have replaced Bristol Manor Farm.

Is it possible Gillingham have gone to the Wessex?. As always the Western and Wessex Leagues are very slow in declaring their constitutions and none of the web sites give a clue.


Thanks for the info.

Gillingham Town announced well before the end of the season that they were taking voluntary demotion to Step 7 and the Dorset Premier League to enable them to concentrate all their resources on their new ground.



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I see the AGM was yesterday. Any info coming from it yet?


Only thing I've seen is that the draw for the League Cup (Les Phillips) was made...nothing else


Still no constitution on the league web site but, by sheer chance, I have stumbled across it. I don't know how to do links so perhaps someone can help me out.

Go the Bitton WIKI and scroll down to the bottom. In the Western League section there is a record of every year starting with 1892/1893 and finishing with 2017/2018


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If it's only on Wikipedia, I wouldn't trust it.


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From memory, last year the League were one of the last to issue - the fixtures not coming out until well after the FA Vase draw had been made



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They usually also wait until well after the Southern League issue, because of Chippenham Park.


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If it's only on Wikipedia, I wouldn't trust it.


Quite right. I thought I'd stumbled upon across something useful but it was just a repeat of what we already knew.

I'll know better next time!


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They usually also wait until well after the Southern League issue, because of Chippenham Park.


I think they will issue earlier this year. Chippenham Town won promotion to the National League South last month - they were the hold up most seasons as until the Southern League issue fixtures, the Western League cannot.

With Chippenham having moved up, I can see the WL fixtures coming out soon after the National League fixtures are out.


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Bristol Telephones tweeted a picture of their new (Melksham's old) lights installed!



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