Home: Games: Twenty Questions:
Twenty Questions #998



paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 12, 2017, 11:06 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 2825
     Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Just crept over the line there... Cool

A person this time.


Ronsdog
First Team Star


Sep 12, 2017, 11:16 AM

Posts: 2152
Location: Sarf London
Team(s): Lowestoft Town, Crystal Palace


Views: 2820
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

 

A male person?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 12, 2017, 11:37 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 2815
     Re: [Ronsdog] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

A male person?


Yes


Ropemaker
Man City Transfer Target!

Sep 12, 2017, 12:05 PM

Posts: 6476
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Hailsham Town


Views: 2804
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Still breathing?



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 12, 2017, 12:10 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 2802
     Re: [Ropemaker] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Still breathing?


Sadly not.


Karb
Reserve Team Star

Sep 12, 2017, 2:14 PM

Posts: 912
Location: Birmingham
Team(s): Sunderland AFC, Keighley Cougars RL


Views: 2796
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Best known for playing football?



"People do not have moments of truth in station waiting rooms"


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 12, 2017, 2:34 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 2789
     Re: [Karb] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Best known for playing football?


Yes


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 12, 2017, 5:16 PM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 2767
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Surname A-L?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 12, 2017, 11:26 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 2758
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Surname A-L?


Nope


Ronsdog
First Team Star


Sep 13, 2017, 1:36 AM

Posts: 2152
Location: Sarf London
Team(s): Lowestoft Town, Crystal Palace


Views: 2748
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

 

Was he capped for his country at full international level?


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 13, 2017, 7:02 AM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 2737
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Surname S-Z?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 13, 2017, 9:16 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 2731
     Re: [Ronsdog] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

Was he capped for his country at full international level?


Nope


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 13, 2017, 9:16 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 2730
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Surname S-Z?


Yes


Ropemaker
Man City Transfer Target!

Sep 13, 2017, 1:12 PM

Posts: 6476
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Hailsham Town


Views: 2712
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

A UK bloke?



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 13, 2017, 3:54 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 2692
     Re: [Ropemaker] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
A UK bloke?


Yup


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 14, 2017, 9:04 AM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 2656
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Surname S-V?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 14, 2017, 10:07 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 2651
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Surname S-V?


No, W-Z


Karb
Reserve Team Star

Sep 14, 2017, 12:58 PM

Posts: 912
Location: Birmingham
Team(s): Sunderland AFC, Keighley Cougars RL


Views: 2635
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Born in England?



"People do not have moments of truth in station waiting rooms"


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 14, 2017, 1:21 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 2631
     Re: [Karb] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Born in England?


Not seen a specific place of birth but he was English.


Cantab Towner
First Team Star

Sep 14, 2017, 8:31 PM

Posts: 2067
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): Enfield Town


Views: 2609
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Did he ever play for a club outside England?


Ronsdog
First Team Star


Sep 14, 2017, 8:58 PM

Posts: 2152
Location: Sarf London
Team(s): Lowestoft Town, Crystal Palace


Views: 2604
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

 

Was he associated mainly with a club North of the washing Line?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 14, 2017, 9:19 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 2598
     Re: [Cantab Towner] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Did he ever play for a club outside England?


Not that I'm aware of, CT.


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 14, 2017, 9:20 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 2596
     Re: [Ronsdog] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

Was he associated mainly with a club North of the washing Line?


Nope


mip
Man City Transfer Target! / Moderator


Sep 14, 2017, 11:11 PM

Posts: 9429
Location: Odense
Team(s): Portsmouth, OB, Svendborg fB, Tved B


Views: 2568
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Was he mainly associated with a non-league club?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 14, 2017, 11:23 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 2563
     Re: [mip] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Was he mainly associated with a non-league club?


Yes


Ropemaker
Man City Transfer Target!

Sep 14, 2017, 11:59 PM

Posts: 6476
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Hailsham Town


Views: 1383
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Known for one match/achievement etc in particular?



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 15, 2017, 12:04 AM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 1381
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Surname W-X?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 15, 2017, 12:06 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1380
     Re: [Ropemaker] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Known for one match/achievement etc in particular?


I'll say yes to that.


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 15, 2017, 12:06 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1377
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Surname W-X?


And another yes.


Ronsdog
First Team Star


Sep 15, 2017, 6:54 PM

Posts: 2152
Location: Sarf London
Team(s): Lowestoft Town, Crystal Palace


Views: 1336
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

 

A club from within the M25?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 15, 2017, 6:57 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1334
     Re: [Ronsdog] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

A club from within the M25?


Yes


Ropemaker
Man City Transfer Target!

Sep 15, 2017, 9:44 PM

Posts: 6476
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Hailsham Town


Views: 1316
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To
Known for one match/achievement etc in particular?

I'll say yes to that.

FA Cup connected?



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 15, 2017, 9:51 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1315
     Re: [Ropemaker] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To
Known for one match/achievement etc in particular?

I'll say yes to that.

FA Cup connected?


No


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 16, 2017, 8:11 PM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 1029
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

A team North of the Thames?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 16, 2017, 8:55 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1028
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
A team North of the Thames?


Can't really answer that John, not least because I'd only be guessing about which team he was best known for playing for. Have another question.

And while I think on, following my response to an earlier question, I have now seen a reference saying that this chap was indeed born in England.


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 16, 2017, 8:58 PM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 1027
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Was the match/achievement made pre-war?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 16, 2017, 9:04 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1025
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Was the match/achievement made pre-war?


Before WW2, yes.


Ropemaker
Man City Transfer Target!

Sep 16, 2017, 10:36 PM

Posts: 6476
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Hailsham Town


Views: 1018
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To
Known for one match/achievement etc in particular?

I'll say yes to that.

A specific match?



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 16, 2017, 10:47 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1013
     Re: [Ropemaker] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Known for one match/achievement etc in particular?

I'll say yes to that.

A specific match?


I'll say yes to that, too.


Karb
Reserve Team Star

Sep 16, 2017, 11:37 PM

Posts: 912
Location: Birmingham
Team(s): Sunderland AFC, Keighley Cougars RL


Views: 995
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Was our man born before 01/01/1900?



"People do not have moments of truth in station waiting rooms"


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 16, 2017, 11:43 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 992
     Re: [Karb] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Was our man born before 01/01/1900?


He was.


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 17, 2017, 7:46 AM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 976
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Was the match pre WW1?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 17, 2017, 9:04 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 970
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Was the match pre WW1?


Yes


Ropemaker
Man City Transfer Target!

Sep 17, 2017, 9:05 PM

Posts: 6476
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Hailsham Town


Views: 941
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To
Was the match pre WW1?

Yes

Pre 1900?



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 17, 2017, 9:28 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 936
     Re: [Ropemaker] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Was the match pre WW1?

Yes

Pre 1900?


Yes


mip
Man City Transfer Target! / Moderator


Sep 17, 2017, 10:15 PM

Posts: 9429
Location: Odense
Team(s): Portsmouth, OB, Svendborg fB, Tved B


Views: 928
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To
Known for one match/achievement etc in particular?


I'll say yes to that.


A first of some kind?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 17, 2017, 10:30 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 923
     Re: [mip] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

 

In Reply To
Known for one match/achievement etc in particular?


I'll say yes to that.


A first of some kind?


Probably not, no. Though it led to something unusual, possibly unique.

Cryptic enough? Wink


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 18, 2017, 12:21 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 906
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Summary time:

A deceased English footballer with a surname beginning with either W or X who never played a full international for his country.

Mainly associated with more than one non-league club inside the M25, based both north and south of the Thames, but debatable which of them he was best known for.

Known for a particular match that took place before 1900 and which wasn't an FA Cup match.

Specifically known for something relating to that match that probably wasn't a first but led to something unusual, possibly unique.


Ronsdog
First Team Star


Sep 18, 2017, 1:44 AM

Posts: 2152
Location: Sarf London
Team(s): Lowestoft Town, Crystal Palace


Views: 898
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

 

Was the match a Southern Football League game?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 18, 2017, 2:11 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 893
     Re: [Ronsdog] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

Was the match a Southern Football League game?


No


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 18, 2017, 7:57 AM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 1699
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Surname Wa-Wi?


mip
Man City Transfer Target! / Moderator


Sep 18, 2017, 8:41 AM

Posts: 9429
Location: Odense
Team(s): Portsmouth, OB, Svendborg fB, Tved B


Views: 1698
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To

Was the match a Southern Football League game?


No


Was it played at a school?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 18, 2017, 9:44 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1692
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Surname Wa-Wi?


Yes


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 18, 2017, 9:45 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1691
     Re: [mip] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

 

In Reply To

Was the match a Southern Football League game?


No


Was it played at a school?


No


Ropemaker
Man City Transfer Target!

Sep 18, 2017, 8:45 PM

Posts: 6476
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Hailsham Town


Views: 1634
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Specifically known for something relating to that match that probably wasn't a first but led to something unusual, possibly unique.

Was the resulting something related to the laws of the game?



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

(This post was edited by Ropemaker on Sep 18, 2017, 8:48 PM)


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 18, 2017, 9:01 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1625
     Re: [Ropemaker] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To
Specifically known for something relating to that match that probably wasn't a first but led to something unusual, possibly unique.

Was the resulting something related to the laws of the game?


Nope


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 19, 2017, 7:38 AM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 1601
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Surname Wa-We?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 19, 2017, 11:03 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1593
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Surname Wa-We?


Yes


mip
Man City Transfer Target! / Moderator


Sep 19, 2017, 3:51 PM

Posts: 9429
Location: Odense
Team(s): Portsmouth, OB, Svendborg fB, Tved B


Views: 1559
     Re: [mip] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To

Was the match a Southern Football League game?


No


Is the team our man played for in this match still in existence?


(This post was edited by mip on Sep 19, 2017, 3:51 PM)


Ropemaker
Man City Transfer Target!

Sep 19, 2017, 4:36 PM

Posts: 6476
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Hailsham Town


Views: 1546
     Re: [mip] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Was it a cup match?



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 19, 2017, 7:07 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1522
     Re: [mip] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To

In Reply To

Was the match a Southern Football League game?


No


Is the team our man played for in this match still in existence?


No


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 19, 2017, 7:10 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1520
     Re: [Ropemaker] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Was it a cup match?


I cannot find a definitive answer! It could feasibly have been a cup game but it is highly unlikely to have been a league game. Hope that helps...


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 20, 2017, 12:11 AM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 1495
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Surname Wa?


Ronsdog
First Team Star


Sep 20, 2017, 12:14 AM

Posts: 2152
Location: Sarf London
Team(s): Lowestoft Town, Crystal Palace


Views: 1494
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

 
One or more of these clubs involved
... Nunhead/Clapham Rovers/Wanderers?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 20, 2017, 12:18 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1494
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To
Was it a cup match?


I cannot find a definitive answer! It could feasibly have been a cup game but it is highly unlikely to have been a league game. Hope that helps...


Just to flesh this out a bit - I have established that the two teams in the match did enter the same cup competition around this time but I've no idea if they played each other in it. In this era too, many clubs weren't in leagues and so many of their games were just friendlies.

So, although I haven't given Ropey a definitive answer to his question, hopefully there's enough info here to narrow things down a bit. However, focusing on identifying the match might not be the quickest way to find our chap. Then again, as we approach the 999th game of 20Q, I'm still not sure there's ever a 'best way' to the answers!


(This post was edited by paulh66 on Sep 20, 2017, 1:39 AM)


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 20, 2017, 1:40 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1484
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Surname Wa?


Yes


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 20, 2017, 1:40 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1482
     Re: [Ronsdog] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
One or more of these clubs involved
... Nunhead/Clapham Rovers/Wanderers?


None of them, Ron


Rob North
First Team Star

Sep 20, 2017, 12:10 PM

Posts: 1653
Location: Dunfermline
Team(s): Didcot Town, Reading


Views: 1466
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Is this person connected with a style or method of playing the game?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 20, 2017, 1:23 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1450
     Re: [Rob North] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Is this person connected with a style or method of playing the game?


Welcome (back!) to the game, Rob. Alas, that's a no, I'm afraid.


(This post was edited by paulh66 on Sep 20, 2017, 1:58 PM)


Ropemaker
Man City Transfer Target!

Sep 20, 2017, 3:38 PM

Posts: 6476
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Hailsham Town


Views: 1434
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Would/could the significance of the match have been known before kick off?



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 20, 2017, 3:40 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1433
     Re: [Ropemaker] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Would/could the significance of the match have been known before kick off?


Not at all, no.


mip
Man City Transfer Target! / Moderator


Sep 20, 2017, 10:05 PM

Posts: 9429
Location: Odense
Team(s): Portsmouth, OB, Svendborg fB, Tved B


Views: 1380
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Does our chap have a wiki page?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 20, 2017, 11:38 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1364
     Re: [mip] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Does our chap have a wiki page?


Nope


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 21, 2017, 7:44 AM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 1336
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Match 1892-1899?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 21, 2017, 9:57 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1327
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Match 1892-1899?


No


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 21, 2017, 1:00 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 959
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Another recap:

A deceased English footballer whose surname began with the letters Wa who never played a full international for his country and does not have his own wiki page.

Mainly associated with more than one non-league club inside the M25, based both north and south of the Thames, but debatable which of them he was best known for.

Known for a particular match that took place before 1892. The match:
- is highly unlikely to have been a league match and wasn't a Southern League match;
- could feasibly have been a cup match as the two teams did enter the same competition around this time, but it wasn't an FA Cup match;
- did not involve Nunhead, Clapham Rovers or Wanderers; and
- was not played at a school.

The team our man played for in this match no longer exists.

He is known for something relating to that match which couldn't/wouldn't have been foreseen. It probably wasn't a first and is nothing to do with a style or method of playing the game. It did, however, lead to something unusual, possibly unique, and this 'something' is not related to the laws of the game.


Karb
Reserve Team Star

Sep 21, 2017, 8:33 PM

Posts: 912
Location: Birmingham
Team(s): Sunderland AFC, Keighley Cougars RL


Views: 922
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Did our man play for a team connected to the armed forces?



"People do not have moments of truth in station waiting rooms"


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 21, 2017, 8:36 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 920
     Re: [Karb] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Did our man play for a team connected to the armed forces?


Not that I know of, Karb.


Ronsdog
First Team Star


Sep 21, 2017, 9:44 PM

Posts: 2152
Location: Sarf London
Team(s): Lowestoft Town, Crystal Palace


Views: 908
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

 

Corinthians/ Engineers/Civil Service Strollers involved?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 21, 2017, 10:00 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 904
     Re: [Ronsdog] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

Corinthians/ Engineers/Civil Service Strollers involved?


None were involved in the match but our chap has played for one of them.


mip
Man City Transfer Target! / Moderator


Sep 21, 2017, 10:07 PM

Posts: 9429
Location: Odense
Team(s): Portsmouth, OB, Svendborg fB, Tved B


Views: 902
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To

Corinthians/ Engineers/Civil Service Strollers involved?


None were involved in the match but our chap has played for one of them.


A Corinthian?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 21, 2017, 10:10 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 900
     Re: [mip] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Corinthians/ Engineers/Civil Service Strollers involved?


None were involved in the match but our chap has played for one of them.


A Corinthian?


Indeed so.


Ropemaker
Man City Transfer Target!

Sep 21, 2017, 10:38 PM

Posts: 6476
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Hailsham Town


Views: 892
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
He is known for something relating to that match which couldn't/wouldn't have been foreseen.

Goalscoring related?



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 21, 2017, 11:17 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 887
     Re: [Ropemaker] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To
He is known for something relating to that match which couldn't/wouldn't have been foreseen.

Goalscoring related?


Nope


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 22, 2017, 7:18 AM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 855
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Match 1888-1891?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 22, 2017, 10:53 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 841
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Match 1888-1891?


Yes


Ropemaker
Man City Transfer Target!

Sep 22, 2017, 7:57 PM

Posts: 6476
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Hailsham Town


Views: 793
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
The team our man played for in this match no longer exists.

Did they enter the FA Cup in the year in question?



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 22, 2017, 8:07 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 789
     Re: [Ropemaker] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To
The team our man played for in this match no longer exists.

Did they enter the FA Cup in the year in question?


They did.


mip
Man City Transfer Target! / Moderator


Sep 22, 2017, 9:56 PM

Posts: 9429
Location: Odense
Team(s): Portsmouth, OB, Svendborg fB, Tved B


Views: 771
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Did our chap play for Corinthian FC 1888-1891?




paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 22, 2017, 10:01 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 766
     Re: [mip] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Did our chap play for Corinthian FC 1888-1891?



Within that period, yes.


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 23, 2017, 12:20 AM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 751
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Match 1888-1889?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 23, 2017, 12:38 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 746
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Match 1888-1889?


No. And I'll narrow it a bit further and tell y'all the match was in the 1890/1 season.


John Treleven
Qatar World Cup bid member!

Sep 24, 2017, 12:09 AM

Posts: 15120
Location: Jersey
Team(s):


Views: 701
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

1891?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 24, 2017, 12:21 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 696
     Re: [John Treleven] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
1891?


Thought I'd finally bored everyone into submission! Laugh. There's an aspect to this quiz which hasn't yet been uncovered that's not quite as obscure as what has been uncovered, so hang on in there chaps...

Anyway, the match was in 1890.


(This post was edited by paulh66 on Sep 24, 2017, 12:22 AM)


Ronsdog
First Team Star


Sep 24, 2017, 3:11 AM

Posts: 2152
Location: Sarf London
Team(s): Lowestoft Town, Crystal Palace


Views: 680
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

 

Could our man be the celebrated Andrew Watson ?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 24, 2017, 9:32 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 667
     Re: [Ronsdog] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

Could our man be the celebrated Andrew Watson ?


First shot of the game but it's high and wide.


Ropemaker
Man City Transfer Target!

Sep 24, 2017, 11:17 AM

Posts: 6476
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Hailsham Town


Views: 652
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To

In Reply To
The team our man played for in this match no longer exists.

Did they enter the FA Cup in the year in question?

They did.

Round 1Q in 1890/91?



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 24, 2017, 11:53 AM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 646
     Re: [Ropemaker] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
The team our man played for in this match no longer exists.

Did they enter the FA Cup in the year in question?

They did.

Round 1Q in 1890/91?


No, they came in after the first qualifying round.


mip
Man City Transfer Target! / Moderator


Sep 24, 2017, 12:46 PM

Posts: 9429
Location: Odense
Team(s): Portsmouth, OB, Svendborg fB, Tved B


Views: 635
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To

In Reply To
The team our man played for in this match no longer exists.

Did they enter the FA Cup in the year in question?

They did.

Round 1Q in 1890/91?


No, they came in after the first qualifying round.


Casuals FC?


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 24, 2017, 1:04 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 631
     Re: [mip] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Yes, he played for the Casuals in the game in question that took place in 1890.

I'd say the Corinthians and the Casuals are the two best known clubs he played for, and it just so happens that each of these clubs played home games at grounds both north and south of the Thames - hence my vague response about this earlier. Incidentally, although I know the venue of the 1890 game, I don't know enough about Casuals' former home grounds to know if it was a home or away game!


mip
Man City Transfer Target! / Moderator


Sep 24, 2017, 1:16 PM

Posts: 9429
Location: Odense
Team(s): Portsmouth, OB, Svendborg fB, Tved B


Views: 1152
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Only thing of note I can find is Hugh Melmoth Walters' death after sustaining a kick in the abdomen in a match between Casuals and St. Bartholomew's Hospital. HM Walters was the brother of AM and PM Walters, both capped at full back for England.

For the years relevant for this quiz, Casuals seem to have played most home games at Wormwood Scrubs while Corinthian mainly played home games at The Oval, where Casuals also played bigger games, and Queens Club.


paulh66
Qatar World Cup bid member! / Moderator


Sep 24, 2017, 1:30 PM

Posts: 16615
Location: Surrey
Team(s): Tranmere Rovers, South Liverpool (the South will rise again), Cammell Laird


Views: 1150
     Re: [mip] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately

Thanks for the info about the grounds..... and congratulations on nabbing a GOALLLLL!!!!!

It is indeed the unfortunate Mr Walters junior, a fine prospect by all accounts but whose tragic death resulted in the decision of his two brothers - England's two full backs at the time - to immediately retire from the game.

Came across this story while browsing through the superb historical features on Epsom & Ewell's website, with all three brothers also featuring at the time in the first games played by E&E's early predecessors, Ewell FC. Indeed, Arthur and Hugh scored Ewell's goals in the first ever match at E&E's much-missed West Street ground on November 1, 1890, just weeks before Hugh's death.

Incidentally, the Casuals v St Bartholomews match was played at Wormwood Scrubs so would've been Casuals' home game.

Well played Michael, over to you.


(This post was edited by paulh66 on Sep 24, 2017, 1:34 PM)


mip
Man City Transfer Target! / Moderator


Sep 24, 2017, 1:36 PM

Posts: 9429
Location: Odense
Team(s): Portsmouth, OB, Svendborg fB, Tved B


Views: 1146
     Re: [paulh66] Twenty Questions #998 or Reply Privately


In Reply To
Thanks for the info about the grounds..... and congratulations on nabbing a GOALLLLL!!!!!

It is indeed the unfortunate Mr Walters junior, a fine prospect by all accounts but whose tragic death resulted in the decision of his two brothers - England's two full backs at the time - to immediately retire from the game.

Came across this story while browsing through the superb historical featured on Epsom & Ewell's website, with all three brothers also playing regularly at the time for E&E's early predecessors, Ewell FC. Indeed, Arthur and Hugh scored Ewell's goals in the first ever match at E&E's much-missed West Street ground on November 1, 1890, just weeks before Hugh's death.

Incidentally, the Casuals v St Bartholomews match was played at Wormwood Scrubs so would've been Casuals' home game.

Well played Michael, over to you.


In Rob Cavallini's excellent history, A Casual Affair, it's listed as a home game and a friendly. In total, there are 26 different home venues listed for the Casuals during their existence.

Rob's three books on Corinthian, Casuals and Corinthian-Casuals are highly recommended.


(This post was edited by mip on Sep 24, 2017, 1:38 PM)