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Wijit99
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Why not post any reduced entry / incentives from clubs for NLD here.


Slough Town vs Billericay (National League South - 6th vs 8th)

Adults (16+) - 5
Under 16's - FREE
Any Premier League or Football League season ticket holders - FREE


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Aldershot Town are offering a pay-what-you-want incentive for their game against Hartlepool.

https://www.theshots.co.uk/...t-hartlepool-united/


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SCEL 1.
Croydon v Meridian VP is a PWYW fixture.


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ST ERME FC of the Trelawny League to take part in the 10th year of NON LEAGUE FOOTBALL DAY on 12th October are playing Holmans SC Reserves in the 1st Division. The admission is FREE and are hoping to attract extra crowd by producing their FIRST EVER PROGRAMME. The programme will cost 1 and is 20 pages, only 1 page of adverts. Already take up has been very good with 38 already ordered or pre sold via post. The programme will be ready by next Sunday and posted out next Monday. The club has a nice clubhouse and is based in Trispen just 2 miles outside of Truro in Cornwall. Those who cant make the match but would like a programme, please contact me via private message on here or email me on [email protected] or ring me on 07973 517603



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How much do they normally pay?


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Aldershot Town are offering a pay-what-you-want incentive for their game against Hartlepool.

https://www.theshots.co.uk/...t-hartlepool-united/


Interesting idea of pay what you want.

1. You have to pre book
2. There is a minimum and maximum amount you can pay
3. Amounts are incremental in 2 steps. So for example you can pay 12 or 14, but cannot pay 15
4. For low value amounts an additional booking fee will be added

Not sure its pay what you want as most people would understand it


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Re: [spen666] Non-League Day - 12th October or Reply Privately

Cockfosters v Redbridge (Essex Senior League) is now Pay-What-You-Want.

(A genuine PWYW, rather than an Aldershot one).


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Hornchurch are doing entry for 8 (instead of the normal 12) but you need to print off the flyer

https://www.hornchurchfc.com/2019/10/show-your-support-on-non-league-day


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Entry to FC Halifax Town v Boreham Wood (National League, 3.0) is a tenner for Premier League and EFL club season ticket-holders.

https://fchalifaxtown.com/news/non-league-day/


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St Albans City - 15 (or 14 in advance). Normal price 18 (or 16.50).
Hitchin Town - Under 20s free when booking with promotion code CANARY25


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The link to the Hornchurch flyer ....
https://www.hornchurchfc.com/...t-on-non-league-day/


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St Albans City - 15 (or 14 in advance). Normal price 18 (or 16.50).
Hitchin Town - Under 20s free when booking with promotion code CANARY25


I think I'm busy.

There's a lot of half arsed shit with this. Maybe it's run its course


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Free entry to the AFC Rushden & Diamonds v Coalville Town for all season ticket holders of the 91 and the same for anyone that shows up in Bavarian dress (Oktoberfest and all that)


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St Albans City - 15 (or 14 in advance). Normal price 18 (or 16.50).
Hitchin Town - Under 20s free when booking with promotion code CANARY25


I think I'm busy.

There's a lot of half arsed shit with this. Maybe it's run its course


I'm starting to think that. There also seems to be a lot of "It's Non-League Day so please come to watch us" from clubs who can't be bothered doing anything to attract new supporters on this or any other day.


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St Albans City - 15 (or 14 in advance). Normal price 18 (or 16.50).
Hitchin Town - Under 20s free when booking with promotion code CANARY25


I think I'm busy.

There's a lot of half arsed shit with this. Maybe it's run its course


I'm starting to think that. There also seems to be a lot of "It's Non-League Day so please come to watch us" from clubs who can't be bothered doing anything to attract new supporters on this or any other day.

When you get to Steps 5 & 6, there's going to be more of that, given that it's the FA Vase and our hands are a bit tied with gate prices



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St Albans City - 15 (or 14 in advance). Normal price 18 (or 16.50).
Hitchin Town - Under 20s free when booking with promotion code CANARY25


I think I'm busy.

There's a lot of half arsed shit with this. Maybe it's run its course


I'm starting to think that. There also seems to be a lot of "It's Non-League Day so please come to watch us" from clubs who can't be bothered doing anything to attract new supporters on this or any other day.

When you get to Steps 5 & 6, there's going to be more of that, given that it's the FA Vase and our hands are a bit tied with gate prices


I sympathise with you entirely in that situation, but it does seem that what started out as a great idea has perhaps run its course.


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It seems nowadays that a lot of the clubs use the day to get a better-than-normal crowd, pat themselves on the back for a job well done and then do nothing else about it afterwards, allowing crowds to revert back to normal levels. It just seems a lot more half-hearted now from a lot of clubs, rather than trying to meaningfully use it to improve attendances in the long-term (this is likely why so many go for the low-hanging fruit of offering free or reduced entry to Prem/EFL season ticket holders who would never otherwise visit and likely never go back again either).

It is at least nice to see the clubs in the 91 doing more to promote Non-League Day and local options for games, which certainly didn't seem to be the case a few years ago.



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As it is FA Trophy qualifying hands are tied at Step 4 too.



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Knock it on the head because it has had its day. I'm not sure what is worse, clubs letting in fans of the 91 for half price to the detriment of their own or what we have seen alot of this time around with clubs advertising it and offering nothing. Sounds confusing does that last one but that is what the whole thing has become. Constant clashes with our national competitions tie the hands of many clubs behind their backs. I used to read all about the gate increases it used to bring in, not anymore I don't.


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It is really interesting to read the comments on here re NL Day as I thought it was only me who had such thoughts.
The fact that clubs go out of their way to promote the Non League side of the game on one weekend of the year to me is farce as the promotion for additional support should be year round.
The Non League game needs to be properly promoted year round to football supporters who are are not in tune with the game below the EFL. Just as importantly, once these people come through the door then everything should be done to keep them. Too many people I know who normally watch their teams in the professional game have been to NL matches but left suitably unimpressed with the fare on offer.
As others have said, it was a good thing at one time, but it has run its course.


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It is really interesting to read the comments on here re NL Day as I thought it was only me who had such thoughts.
The fact that clubs go out of their way to promote the Non League side of the game on one weekend of the year to me is farce as the promotion for additional support should be year round.
The Non League game needs to be properly promoted year round to football supporters who are are not in tune with the game below the EFL. Just as importantly, once these people come through the door then everything should be done to keep them. Too many people I know who normally watch their teams in the professional game have been to NL matches but left suitably unimpressed with the fare on offer.
As others have said, it was a good thing at one time, but it has run its course.


And therein lies the problem. Very often I've known Premier League supporters go along to a non-league game, say "This is rubbish" (or words to that effect) and vow never to return. But properly marketed, that's not the point. All of us on here know that the football we prefer isn't of a particularly high standard compared to what the TV viewer can watch; we go for everything else it can offer - price, being able to stand with a beer watching the match and talking to the opposition supporters, your kids running their legs off playing behind the goal and many other things that you'll never get in the Premier League. Promoting that unique experience is what Non-League Day should be all about.


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It is really interesting to read the comments on here re NL Day as I thought it was only me who had such thoughts.
The fact that clubs go out of their way to promote the Non League side of the game on one weekend of the year to me is farce as the promotion for additional support should be year round.
The Non League game needs to be properly promoted year round to football supporters who are are not in tune with the game below the EFL. Just as importantly, once these people come through the door then everything should be done to keep them. Too many people I know who normally watch their teams in the professional game have been to NL matches but left suitably unimpressed with the fare on offer.
As others have said, it was a good thing at one time, but it has run its course.


And therein lies the problem. Very often I've known Premier League supporters go along to a non-league game, say "This is rubbish" (or words to that effect) and vow never to return. But properly marketed, that's not the point. All of us on here know that the football we prefer isn't of a particularly high standard compared to what the TV viewer can watch; we go for everything else it can offer - price, being able to stand with a beer watching the match and talking to the opposition supporters, your kids running their legs off playing behind the goal and many other things that you'll never get in the Premier League. Promoting that unique experience is what Non-League Day should be all about.

Most people aren't interested in the 'positives' you describe. They go for the game, and generally discover the standard of both play and facilities is rubbish. Non-league football isn't particularly cheap, either, certainly not for families. One of my brothers, an infrequent football attender, home for the weekend to visit the folks, went to the Halifax-Boreham Wood match yesterday, and was astonished to discover he had to pay twenty quid. For me, a lot of non-league football's charm has gone because the standard of behaviour on the field and in the technical areas is as appalling as in the Premier and Football leagues. Frankly, if all non-league football were free, its audience wouldn't increase markedly. The overwhelming majority know what non-league football is, and choose to ignore it. My brother (who, incidentally, had no idea it was Non-League Day) certainly didn't regard his brief encounter as a value for money experience.


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There are plenty of non-league clubs who've built up decent, or at least respectable, attendances over recent years which suggests that there is indeed a market for what you describe as "rubbish" standard of play and facilities. As such, it must be something else that's attracting them.

As well as the aspects noted by davidjay, I'd suggest the more proactive clubs are reaping the rewards of greater community involvement, of their involvement in running teams for all ages and both sexes, of offering imaginative catering and decent bar facilities, and all the other ad hoc initiatives they come up with to raise their profile and entice people in.

The much-maligned (on here, at least) initiatives to attract season ticket holders of EPL/EFL clubs can also have a positive impact. I understand the arguments against it, in particular that it prejudices existing supporters, but I've never heard or seen signs of any real dissatisfaction from those supporters. For example, Bromley have done well to build up decent levels of support by enticing, say, Palace and Millwall fans in - and possibly even this Tranmere season ticket holder who felt he got good value for the discounted tenner admission (I took advantage of it for the first time this season, having felt uncomfortable doing so last season. Yet because of the price I'm minded to go back this season whereas I'd be less inclined to do so at full price - and, if I do, the club has benefited from its offer. I doubt I'm unique in that respect). Much lower down the food chain, Cammell Lairds have recently strengthened their links with Tranmere as well as retaining slightly discounted admission for season ticket holders of Merseyside's professional clubs, and suddenly they're starting to get three figure gates on more than just the very odd occasion. It all makes a difference, and suggests tapping into existing football followers is far more fruitful than focusing too much on trying to convert the non-believers.

As for Non-League Day, for all the corny entrance offers, it still raises the profile of the non-league game and surely does help drive improved non-league attendances on an international weekend at a time when most clubs and fans still retain at least some degree of early-season optimism.


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Most people aren't interested in the 'positives' you describe. They go for the game, and generally discover the standard of both play and facilities is rubbish. Non-league football isn't particularly cheap, either, certainly not for families. One of my brothers, an infrequent football attender, home for the weekend to visit the folks, went to the Halifax-Boreham Wood match yesterday, and was astonished to discover he had to pay twenty quid. For me, a lot of non-league football's charm has gone because the standard of behaviour on the field and in the technical areas is as appalling as in the Premier and Football leagues. Frankly, if all non-league football were free, its audience wouldn't increase markedly. The overwhelming majority know what non-league football is, and choose to ignore it. My brother (who, incidentally, had no idea it was Non-League Day) certainly didn't regard his brief encounter as a value for money experience.


Non league football needs to offer something different. Part of the appeal of non league football is "you can stand and have a pint watching the match". Only at step 1 you can't, at a lot of other grounds, particularly in step 2, you can't. FA Competitions - you can't. So that does turn people off.

Another big appeal is price, yet you're paying the best part of 20 quid at step 1 and around 15 quid at step 2. That's not exactly cheap. So if you pay the best part of 20 quid for a ticket and can't have a pint during the match, then straight away you're losing 2 key selling points to potential fans.

It's always important to get kids in but at younger ages they aren't interested as much in watching the game as running about and being kids. It's teenagers, students and early 20s kids clubs who you really need to be wooing with prices etc and the key demographic to getting more of an atmosphrere going and building a buzz that way and get them in the habbit of live forever rather than lost to it for Soccer Saturday or the pub.

Kids under 10 go free - great, but they aren't going to watch the match anyway.


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Most people aren't interested in the 'positives' you describe. They go for the game, and generally discover the standard of both play and facilities is rubbish. Non-league football isn't particularly cheap, either, certainly not for families. One of my brothers, an infrequent football attender, home for the weekend to visit the folks, went to the Halifax-Boreham Wood match yesterday, and was astonished to discover he had to pay twenty quid. For me, a lot of non-league football's charm has gone because the standard of behaviour on the field and in the technical areas is as appalling as in the Premier and Football leagues. Frankly, if all non-league football were free, its audience wouldn't increase markedly. The overwhelming majority know what non-league football is, and choose to ignore it. My brother (who, incidentally, had no idea it was Non-League Day) certainly didn't regard his brief encounter as a value for money experience.


Non league football needs to offer something different. Part of the appeal of non league football is "you can stand and have a pint watching the match". Only at step 1 you can't, at a lot of other grounds, particularly in step 2, you can't. FA Competitions - you can't. So that does turn people off.

Another big appeal is price, yet you're paying the best part of 20 quid at step 1 and around 15 quid at step 2. That's not exactly cheap. So if you pay the best part of 20 quid for a ticket and can't have a pint during the match, then straight away you're losing 2 key selling points to potential fans.

It's always important to get kids in but at younger ages they aren't interested as much in watching the game as running about and being kids. It's teenagers, students and early 20s kids clubs who you really need to be wooing with prices etc and the key demographic to getting more of an atmosphrere going and building a buzz that way and get them in the habbit of live forever rather than lost to it for Soccer Saturday or the pub.

Kids under 10 go free - great, but they aren't going to watch the match anyway.


I agree with a lot of what you're saying, although it's my belief that we should start categorising Step 1 and (increasingly) 2 as something other than non-league. When a club has full-time staff, both playing and non-playing, and average gates of 3,000+, they can't really be described as 'grassroots'. I also believe that this level is the most over-priced in football.

The 'something different' is important. Make new visitors feel welcome, and part of the club from the minute they step through the turnstile/gate. Children might want to run around rather than watch the match, but if they enjoy themselves then the adults they nag to take them next time are likely to start to enjoy themselves as well. And yes, I totally agree that the 'young adult' generation is the most important to woo. Get them early and you can have them for life, and there's also a chance that they might bring their friends along. Maybe clubs should extend their concessions to include under-21s.


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It's always important to get kids in but at younger ages they aren't interested as much in watching the game as running about and being kids. It's teenagers, students and early 20s kids clubs who you really need to be wooing with prices etc and the key demographic to getting more of an atmosphrere going and building a buzz that way and get them in the habbit of live forever rather than lost to it for Soccer Saturday or the pub.

Kids under 10 go free - great, but they aren't going to watch the match anyway.


If you're content to play the long game, one leads to another of course - get the under 10s (and their parents for that matter) in the habit of attending and feeling part of the club and you're much more likely to keep attracting them when they're older.


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I agree with a lot of what you're saying, although it's my belief that we should start categorising Step 1 and (increasingly) 2 as something other than non-league. When a club has full-time staff, both playing and non-playing, and average gates of 3,000+, they can't really be described as 'grassroots'. I also believe that this level is the most over-priced in football.

The 'something different' is important. Make new visitors feel welcome, and part of the club from the minute they step through the turnstile/gate. Children might want to run around rather than watch the match, but if they enjoy themselves then the adults they nag to take them next time are likely to start to enjoy themselves as well. And yes, I totally agree that the 'young adult' generation is the most important to woo. Get them early and you can have them for life, and there's also a chance that they might bring their friends along. Maybe clubs should extend their concessions to include under-21s.


Step 1 and 2 (particularly national north) feel less and less like non league. I went to Kidderminster recently and sat in the Main Stand, not only could I not take my pint to the stands, I wasn't even allowed to drink it on the concourse, was moved back by a steward and had to stay in a small confined space, to knock back a warm Carlsberg in a plastic glass.

It cost 17 quid a ticket for a seat in the 6th tier and the two sets of fans were well segregated (despite no hint of trouble, although with the segregation in effect creates a tribal, unfriendly atmosphere). It might as well have been an EFL game and it's similar at Chester/York or Notts County, Wrexham Stockport etc. That's not a non league experience. You want to be welcomed.

I agree with getting kids in as early as possible but just to not restrict cheap pricing to very young ages and to include concessions for teenagers and students (i.e. under 21s as you say).

I remember at a local league ground to me it used to be 2 pound in for under 16s and I used to go quite regularly. I turned 16 and then had to pay full price and I just stopped going. You need to keep people, that's the whole sell of the concessions for youngsters.


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You want to be welcomed.


And that, I feel, is the very crux of the debate. We watch non-league for many reasons but primarily because we feel welcome. That's what Non-League Day should be about and that's what it's lost over the years.


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If Non-League Day has lost its way in selling that USP over the years, perhaps it's because that USP is no longer unique to what might traditionally be regarded as 'proper non-league' football?

If you deem steps 1 and 2 as not being 'proper non-league', you're immediately taking a good clutch of traditional non-league clubs who've actually succeeded in attracting new people to the game out of the debate. The debate may well by-pass much of steps 5 and 6 too, as they're largely comprised of clubs who'll rarely appeal to significant numbers outside of family, friends and a few locals (or will never be geared up to do so). So you end up effectively pitching the debate at steps 3 and 4.

Yet the principles are the same across the board - being made welcome isn't unique to mid-level non-league football, it's something the more switched-on clubs at all levels try and deliver these days. Put it another way, generally speaking I don't feel any less welcome attending EFL than I do at any level of non-league. It's just that the lower you go the more personal tends to be the welcome.


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As it is FA Trophy qualifying hands are tied at Step 4 too.


Ashford Town (Middlesex) have been charging 5 maximum for all home League games so far this season as an experiment, but found themselves having to charge 4 more on Non-League Day due to the stipulations of playing an FA Trophy game at home. Crazy


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As it is FA Trophy qualifying hands are tied at Step 4 too.


Ashford Town (Middlesex) have been charging 5 maximum for all home League games so far this season as an experiment, but found themselves having to charge 4 more on Non-League Day due to the stipulations of playing an FA Trophy game at home. Crazy

And the experiment seems to be having the desired effect with crowds up 24% on last season. Such a shame the team find themselves in the position they are currently in or who knows how many would be watching them.


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As it is FA Trophy qualifying hands are tied at Step 4 too.


Ashford Town (Middlesex) have been charging 5 maximum for all home League games so far this season as an experiment, but found themselves having to charge 4 more on Non-League Day due to the stipulations of playing an FA Trophy game at home. Crazy

And the experiment seems to be having the desired effect with crowds up 24% on last season. Such a shame the team find themselves in the position they are currently in or who knows how many would be watching them.


There are (sort of) mitigating factors regarding Ashford's crowd levels. The ground's in a different town, two miles from the nearest railway station and with limited public transport, plus the club are still something of a new boy on the block compared to established clubs like Staines Town and Egham Town. Even in our Ryman Premier days we struggled to get crowds of 250.

As far as this season goes, the club announced a massive playing budget cut and all but four of the first team squad left, so our new manager's had his work cut out assembling a new squad. No wins in our first 21 matches so far (pre-season included) but the team's beginning to settle and the signs are more encouraging.


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Re: [Ashtree RockBee] Non-League Day - 12th October or Reply Privately

I think that the sense of value for money at non-league is being eroded by things such as the Twenty's plenty campaign, which seeks to artificially reduce the price of tickets simply because it "should be" cheaper for supporters wishing to watch the upper tiers of football. (I accept that the campaign is focused primarily on 20 being the maximum cost for away supporters as they generate more atmosphere and their journeys are often more expensive and lengthier than home fans, but also through speaking to people and observing social media it is clear that many would like to see 20 the maximum price for any ticket at Premier League and Championship games)

When you consider that most Step 1 sides are charging (in the region of) 20, were all Premier League games capped at 20, say, who on earth would choose to attend non-league when the cost is basically the same?

What's also interesting is the discussion of whether non-league, particularly the top two tiers, no longer feels "non-league" enough! Perhaps the initiative could be re-purposed as "Grassroots football day" and focused on Step 5 and below?


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I think the general public sees league/non-league as a natural dividing line in football so any mass campaign that focuses on some other divide would probably gain much less traction.

Although that natural divide has become slightly blurred around the margins over the last decade or two, believe me when you get relegated into the National you know you're in non-league football!


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If Non-League Day has lost its way in selling that USP over the years, perhaps it's because that USP is no longer unique to what might traditionally be regarded as 'proper non-league' football?

If you deem steps 1 and 2 as not being 'proper non-league', you're immediately taking a good clutch of traditional non-league clubs who've actually succeeded in attracting new people to the game out of the debate. The debate may well by-pass much of steps 5 and 6 too, as they're largely comprised of clubs who'll rarely appeal to significant numbers outside of family, friends and a few locals (or will never be geared up to do so). So you end up effectively pitching the debate at steps 3 and 4.

Yet the principles are the same across the board - being made welcome isn't unique to mid-level non-league football, it's something the more switched-on clubs at all levels try and deliver these days. Put it another way, generally speaking I don't feel any less welcome attending EFL than I do at any level of non-league. It's just that the lower you go the more personal tends to be the welcome.

Yeah,whether you go to a game in Premier League, National League or step 6 you can get a good or bad welcome. It is a lot more personal in non league in general.

It's also a question of whether grounds offer the more unique to non league experience. Can you change ends at half time? Can you stand where you want? Can you stand at all, or is it all seats? Can you have a beer watching the game at pitchside? Are you paying 15-20 pound to watch a 5th or 6th division football match? Is segregation forced between home and away fans? Can you have a drink in the clubhouse and mingle with both sets of fans before the game, at half time and maybe the players after the game?

There's enough grounds at step 1 and 2 in particular where the answer to the above go far away from what a lot will see is the soul of non league football. Step 2 is a funny one because from one week to the next all the above paragraph applies with the traditional at one ground and then the next week all of the above doesn't. Or at step 1 where it's a much different experience at Chorley or Maidenhead than the ex-league grounds like Stockport or Notts Couny.


(This post was edited by jefferson on Oct 14, 2019, 4:11 PM)