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At the Hitchin game tonight, I picked up a copy of a Finchley v Vauxhall Motors programme from 1989. I assumed at first it would be an FA Cup or FA Trophy match, but on further inspection it was a Vauxhall League Div 2 North match. According to the club history, this Vauxhall Motors were formed in 1907, and played in the UCL and South Midlands League. Their participation in the Beds Premier Cup implies they hailed from Bedfordshire.

I can find no record of such a club on the internet (at least from my premilinary inspection) So who were they, where are they now, and were they ever anything to do with their namesake who play in the Conference North?


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They were the football section of the Vauxhall Motors sports club in Luton. The address I've got, from a visit in 1987, is Park Street, Luton. Think their elevation to the Isthmian League coincided with the league's sponsorship to become the Vauxhall Opel League - a coincidence I'm sure.
They folded after 1990/91, seem to recall their pitch was replaced with an artificial surface and used for hockey.




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From memory also, the Works Social Club who owned the ground, had the artificial pitch laid against the wishes of the Football Club.
My memory of the visit was the planes flying almost over the ground as the took off and landed at the nearby airport.



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VAUXHALL MOTORS (LUTON) Formerly Luton Vauxhalls (SML 1923-1928, 1931-1938).
1974-75 Joined United Counties League United Counties League runner-up.
1979-80.Rejoined South Midlands League.
1984-85 South Midlands League runner-up.
1985-86 Joined Isthmian League Division Two North 1990-91 Isthmian League Division Two North runner-up Promoted to Division One, but left Isthmian League prior to start of 1991-92 season.
SEASON LEAGUE P W D L F A P POS.
1973-74 SPAR 34 19 8 7 71 29 46 4/18.
1974-75 UCL-P 36 24 5 7 74 37 53 2/19.
1975-76 UCL-P 38 15 10 13 61 55 40 10/20.
1976-77 UCL-P 38 5 10 23 32 71 20 20/20.
1980-81 S MID-P 34 17 8 9 54 39 42 4/18.
1983-84 S MID-P 28 9 5 14 29 41 23 12/15.
1984-85 S MID-P 30 18 6 6 46 24 42 2/16.
1985-86 ISTH-2N 38 11 10 17 58 62 43 16/20.
1986-87 ISTH-2N 42 15 10 17 61 57 55 13/22.
1987-88 ISTH-2N 42 16 17 9 56 42 65 8/22.
1988-89 ISTH-2N 42 15 9 18 53 57 54 14/22.
1989-90 ISTH-2N 42 14 13 15 55 54 55 11/22.
1990-91 ISTH-2N 42 24 10 8 82 50 82 2/22.



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That's all pretty much correct, except their promotion was not in any way related to Vauxhall-Opels sponsorship deal. A very nice friendly club and a really neat tidy a nice ground to visit situated in Park Street in Luton, about a mile from the M1 and 1/2 mile from the end of the runway at Luton Airport. Club folded after the guy who took over the running of the ground, a big hockey fan, replaced the pitch with an artificial surface for hockey.


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Recall seeing a midweek game there in approx 1989 and at the time the ground had a small seated stand and a bit of cover.

It was a bit of a surprise when they did not take their place in the Isthmian Premier as the year when they folded they had a more than decent team and had won promotion.


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Recall seeing a midweek game there in approx 1989 and at the time the ground had a small seated stand and a bit of cover.

It was a bit of a surprise when they did not take their place in the Isthmian Premier as the year when they folded they had a more than decent team and had won promotion.


Only a minor point, but would they not have gone into Isthmian Div 1 rather than Premier League?

http://www.staff.city.ac.uk/...tball/nl/il9091.html

Thanks a lot for all the info on this guys - really interesting. It would have been amusing had they ever played their namesakes from Ellesmere in a cup match. I would have loved to hear James Alexander Gordon read that one read out on sports report at 5pm.

"FA Cup 1st round - Vauxhall Motors 1 Vauxhall Motors 1"


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On 20th December 1986, I saw Warrington Town win 2-1 at Vauxhall in the Cheshire Senior Cup
In the fifth round of the Vase that season, Warrington Town beat Vauxhall Motors 2-1 (in Warrington).
Possibly the only team to play both Vauxhall teams in the same season



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The ground, artificial pitch and floodlights are all still in place and part of the Vauxhall Sports Complex on Park Street. I watched a Sunday League game (Peguform Icknield v Bushmead Rovers) on an outer pitch earlier this year just outside. The outer pitches are used by Luton District & South Beds side Christians In Sport and I think possibly one of the Luton Town Ladies teams play there also.


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Only a minor point, but would they not have gone into Isthmian Div 1 rather than Premier League?

Yes, that's correct. They were runners up to Stevenage Borough in the last season of the old Div 2 North (which merged with Div 2 South and split into Divisions 2 & 3 based on previous season's league positions). As Dulwich were in Division 1 at the time I was looking forward to visiting this new club for the first time, but they withdrew at quite a late stage in the summer for the aforementioned pitch related reasons, so Division 1 ran with only 21 clubs for season 1991/2; The Hamlet were promoted in third place behind Stevenage and Yeading.


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An entry for "what might have been": If VM had known earlier they were to lose their ground, they might have found somewhere to share or they'd have quit and saved Southwick (who had a respectable 47 points from 42 games) from relegation to Division Two South. Southwick, presumably, would have held onto their players and not finished second bottom of the new (de-regionalised) Division Two with a the record of 42 6 2 34 29 115 20 and then quit to return to the Sussex League.


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That's all pretty much correct, except their promotion was not in any way related to Vauxhall-Opels sponsorship deal. A very nice friendly club and a really neat tidy a nice ground to visit situated in Park Street in Luton, about a mile from the M1 and 1/2 mile from the end of the runway at Luton Airport. Club folded after the guy who took over the running of the ground, a big hockey fan, replaced the pitch with an artificial surface for hockey.


I'm writing an article for our matchday programme and just wondered if someone could clarify this point.

Did the club fold because the Isthmian League didn't allow articifical pitches? Or was there more to it than that?

Also, were they predominantly a works team, or did/could anyone play for them?


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Did the club fold because the Isthmian League didn't allow articifical pitches?

I don't think that was the reason, because Feltham had a plastic pitch while in the Isthmian. There was one fabled day when virtually everything was snowed or frozen off in Southern England and over 500 watched Feltham play a league game on their artificial carpet which survived the weather. I understand Feltham's inability to provide terracing behind one or other goal was they reason they lost their league place.


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I thought the circumstances of their demise was related to a dispute between the Football Club and the Social Club who owned the ground. The "arrival" of the Hockey Club may have been a factor in the dispute. Again I am working from memory so maybe senility it getting to me. The whole saga definitely was covered by one of the Non-League Magazines of the time.



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Did the club fold because the Isthmian League didn't allow articifical pitches?

I don't think that was the reason, because Feltham had a plastic pitch while in the Isthmian. There was one fabled day when virtually everything was snowed or frozen off in Southern England and over 500 watched Feltham play a league game on their artificial carpet which survived the weather. I understand Feltham's inability to provide terracing behind one or other goal was they reason they lost their league place.

Where were Feltham demoted from and to? Isthmian Div 2 to Div 3?


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Did the club fold because the Isthmian League didn't allow articifical pitches?

I don't think that was the reason, because Feltham had a plastic pitch while in the Isthmian. There was one fabled day when virtually everything was snowed or frozen off in Southern England and over 500 watched Feltham play a league game on their artificial carpet which survived the weather. I understand Feltham's inability to provide terracing behind one or other goal was they reason they lost their league place.

Might have been at that One myself, remember going against Camberley, Club Official was following the linesman up and down sweeping the lines as the snow fell and covered them up again Shocked



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Feltham lost their place in the Isthmian League altogether and dropped to the Combined Counties League in 1995.


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Bedfordshire University (Luton) play their home matches at the same venue, not sure if it is the same pitch or not.



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The ground still retains its small but attractive wooden stand, as can be seen on Google's aerial view. Anyone travelling to the airport by bus from London can get a good view of the ground, on the left hand side shortly before passing over the railway line.


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That's all pretty much correct, except their promotion was not in any way related to Vauxhall-Opels sponsorship deal. A very nice friendly club and a really neat tidy a nice ground to visit situated in Park Street in Luton, about a mile from the M1 and 1/2 mile from the end of the runway at Luton Airport. Club folded after the guy who took over the running of the ground, a big hockey fan, replaced the pitch with an artificial surface for hockey.


I'm writing an article for our matchday programme and just wondered if someone could clarify this point.

Did the club fold because the Isthmian League didn't allow articifical pitches? Or was there more to it than that?

Also, were they predominantly a works team, or did/could anyone play for them?


To confound the conspiracy theorists even more, not only did their elevation to the Isthmian League coincide with the start of the Vauxhall sponsorship, but their demise coincided with the end of it.

They weren't a works team - they had a decent side with players that were well known from other Beds clubs. The manager that took them to 2nd place was John Wortley, who went on to manage Tring Town from 92-94, and brought a few of the successful Motors team with him.


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To confound the conspiracy theorists even more, not only did
their elevation to the Isthmian League coincide with the start of the Vauxhall
sponsorship, but their demise coincided with the end of it

I don't think you had to be much of a conspiracy theorist to notice the coincidence in dates. It was all a bit blatant.


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I'm not sure that it was a conspiracy that got them into the Isthmian League. They finished 2nd in the South Midlands League the previous season, which looks like a promotion position. It's also worth bearing in mind that Vauxhall did a lot of sports based sponsorship around that time. As I recall the story in the local press at the time, they were unable to continue as the artificial surface wouldn't be accepted by the leagues.

The football club was a section of the works sports & social club so it was as close to being a works team as many others with similar associations. Whether membership of the sports club was required by players, I couldn't say.



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And Isthmian League Division Two North wasn't full


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But they’d never have kicked them out if the sponsorship had continued.


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But they’d never have kicked them out if the sponsorship had continued.


But they weren't kicked out, they resigned

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