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rainjar
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Wednesday (19 August 2009) was the 20th anniversary of the Pan-European Picnic in Hungary which led to the fall of the Berlin Wall less than three months later.

For only the second time since 1991, there is no former East German club in the Bundesliga this season. The previous occasion was in 2005-06.

How have the clubs of the former East Germany fared?



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There will be no East German clubs in the Bundesliga again next season, making that 3 seasons in a row, but several former East German clubs are making progress outside of the Bundesliga.

Erzgebirge Aue and Energie Cottbus finished 5th and 6th respectively in 2. Bundesliga, and will be joined there by Hansa Rostock, promoted from 3. Liga. I believe that's the most number of former East German clubs that will be playing in the top two levels since 1998, when Lokomotive Leipzig, Carl Zeiss Jena and FSV Zwickau were relegated from 2. Bundesliga at the end of that season, leaving just Hansa Rostock (Bundesliga) and Energie Cottbus (2. Bundesliga) in the top two levels. If Dynamo Dresden win their promotion/relegation play-off against VfL Osnabruck, they will also be promoted from 3. Liga, making it four former East German clubs in 2. Bundesliga.

Carl Zeiss Jena avoided relegation from 3. Liga, and will be joined there next season by Chemnitzer FC, winners of Regionalliga Nord.



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Carl Zeiss Jena avoided relegation from 3. Liga, and will be joined there next season by Chemnitzer FC, winners of Regionalliga Nord.


Not quite done and dusted for Chemnitzer FC yet as they are 4 points ahead of Wolfsburg II with 2 games to play. Chemnitz have RB Leipzig at home and Wolfsburg II away in their last games.


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Not quite done and dusted for Chemnitzer FC yet as they are 4 points ahead of Wolfsburg II with 2 games to play. Chemnitz have RB Leipzig at home and Wolfsburg II away in their last games.


Yup, silly me. A draw against Wolfsburg II or a win in either game will suffice. With Chemnitzer's vastly superior goal difference, Wolfsburg II dropping any points away at Hallescher this weekend should also do.

RB Leipzig and Hallescher are 4th and 5th respectively. Hallescher are another former East German club that suffered a rapid decline post-unification but have stabilized in recent seasons.



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i was at the berlin fcdynamo game against brandenburg on saturday and a crowd of 341 is a shadow of the stasi backed side of the ddr days.there is a good number of young fans watching them which cant be a bad thing but souveniers on sale have memories of the good old days.8 euros to get in.not sure if they played the big european games here cos it isnt floodlit



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Not quite done and dusted for Chemnitzer FC yet as they are 4 points ahead of Wolfsburg II with 2 games to play. Chemnitz have RB Leipzig at home and Wolfsburg II away in their last games.


Yup, silly me. A draw against Wolfsburg II or a win in either game will suffice. With Chemnitzer's vastly superior goal difference, Wolfsburg II dropping any points away at Hallescher this weekend should also do.

RB Leipzig and Hallescher are 4th and 5th respectively. Hallescher are another former East German club that suffered a rapid decline post-unification but have stabilized in recent seasons.


Chemnitzer are up, after beating RB Leipzig 1-0 yesterday.

At the other end of the Regionalliga Nord, 1. FC Magdeburg are virtually safe after winning 3-0 away at Hannover 96 II.

Magdeburg have the highest average attendance in Regionalliga Nord.

Level 4, is that the lowest level at which any former winners of a major European cup competition (Champions League, European Cup, Cup Winners' Cup, Fairs Cup, UEFA Cup, Europa League) are currently playing?



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i was at the berlin fcdynamo game against brandenburg on saturday and a crowd of 341 is a shadow of the stasi backed side of the ddr days.there is a good number of young fans watching them which cant be a bad thing but souveniers on sale have memories of the good old days.8 euros to get in.not sure if they played the big european games here cos it isnt floodlit


Came across the following on Wikipedia:


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After German re-unification many former East German clubs rushed to drop the names they were often forced to bear during the Communist era and return to traditional names used prior to the end of World War II or to adopt completely new identities. Dynamo was among the clubs to do so, becoming FC Berlin. However, like many others of these clubs they found more value and fan recognition in the names, colours and crests they had played under in East Germany and so returned to these.


A bit like Lokomotive Leipzig switching to VfB Leipzig before switching back to Lokomotive Leipzig.

The following passage from the Wikipedia article also caught my eye:


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Dynamo's situation was complicated as they had neglected to copyright their old logo and found that when they tried to recover it in early 1999 that they no longer held title, having to share it with sports souvenir seller Peter "Pepe" Mager who laid claim to the orphaned image in March 1997. Control of the logo image has since passed to André Sommer and Rayk Bernt and their marketing firm Ra-Be GmbH through which they take ten percent of the value of all fan articles sold. Sommer and Bernt also served as directors in the period following the club's bankruptcy in 2001. This was the cause of additional concern for the beleaguered football association as the pair were known to have links to violent fan groups and the Hells Angels motorcycle club.

The situation has long remained unresolved and Dynamo has been working to recover the rights to its familiar traditional logo. Several alternative logos have been developed and registered in the event that they are unsuccessful in the attempt. The disputed image is in use on Dynamo's first team uniforms, at its website, and in other limited contexts, but the club still is unable to fully exploit the commercial value of the logo to its benefit.[5] In 2009, in response to the problem the club has decided to introduce a new logo that abandons the traditional stylized "D" in favour of the familiar Berlin bear.


I can't imagine the intellectual property in the old "logo" being worth much, not with 300 to 400 fans.



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East German clubs 2011/12 season - in the top 4 levels.

Bundesliga
None

Bundesliga 2
Dynamo Dresden (Promoted)
Energie Cottbus
Erzgebirge Aue
Hansa Rostock (Promoted)
Union Berlin

Liga 3
Babelsburg
Carl Zeiss Jena
Chemnitzer FC (Promoted)
Rot Weiss Erfurt

Regionaliga Nord
Energie Cottbus II
Germania Halberstadt *
Hallescher
Magdeburg
Meuselwitz
Plauen
RB Leipzig
Torgelower SV Greif *

* if promoted after winning their step 5 leagues.

Please feel free to amend if necessary.


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I'm surprised there is anything to copyright given the stylised 'D' is used by dozens of other Dynamos world wide. Personally I'd be quite happy for them to continue to struggle given their atrocious record of fixing titles and connections with right-wing groups. One club which would have done better dying quietly.



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East German clubs 2011/12 season - in the top 4 levels.

Bundesliga
None

Bundesliga 2
Dynamo Dresden (Promoted)
Energie Cottbus
Erzgebirge Aue
Hansa Rostock (Promoted)
Union Berlin

Liga 3
Babelsburg
Carl Zeiss Jena
Chemnitzer FC (Promoted)
Rot Weiss Erfurt

Regionalliga Nord
Berliner AK 07
Energie Cottbus II
Germania Halberstadt
Hallescher
Magdeburg
Meuselwitz
Plauen
RB Leipzig

Berliner AK 07 promoted instead of Torgelower SV Greif (no licence).

Incidently Sachsen Leipzig are not included in this season's Oberliga Nordost-Sud (level 5), they appear to have folded.


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indeed, unfortunatly sachsen leipzig folded on june 30th



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indeed, unfortunatly sachsen leipzig folded on june 30th


Indeed. Insolvent in 2001 and 2009. Defunct in 2011. Such a well run club.



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For the 2012/13 season the 4th level Regionalliga Nord Ost will cover the same area as the old East Germany + West Berlin.
So far 15 clubs are confirmed with the last place being decided next Saturday 02/06/12 in the second leg playoff between Torgelower SV Greif and Fortuna Chemnitz (1st leg Fortuna Chemnitz 1 Torgelower SV Greif 0).

Regionalliga Nord Ost 2012/13
Auerbach
Berlin AK 07
Carl Zeiss Jena
Energie Cottbus II
Germania Halberstadt
Hertha Berlin II
Magdeburg
Meuselwitz
Neustrelitz
Lokomotiv Leipzig
Optik Rathenow
Plauen
RB Leipzig
Union Berlin II
Zwickau
Torgelower SV Greif/Fortuna Chemnitz

The Leipzig derby games should be interesting.

Above this the East German + West Berlin clubs will be in -
Bundesliga
None
Bundesliga 2
Dynamo Dresden
Energie Cottbus
Erzgebirge Aue
Hertha Berlin - relegated
Union Berlin
Liga 3
Babelsburg
Chemnitzer FC
Hallescher - promoted
Hansa Rostock - relegated
Rot Weiss Erfurt

 
 


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