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prorege
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Statement from Raith Rovers Chairman:

"We have been inundated with emails from fans and season-ticket holders. People have said they are holding off on buying season tickets until they find out what is happening with Rangers situation and there are some strong opinions out there, with some supporters of 25 years saying they will not be back at Raith Rovers if we back the Rangers proposals.

"With what is happening with the SPL clubs, it seems to have been punted on to the SFL clubs to solve the problem, a problem which is none of our doing. But, personally, my view was that I would have difficult supporting any move to put Rangers in the First Division given the history of what has happened.

"This is the same Rangers whose supporters threatened to torch our stadium and whose manager demanded that one of our directors was named over his involvement with an SFA judicial panel, which resulted in TV cameras camping outside his door and threats being made by various outlandish factions.

"We also had Sandy Jardine publicly calling for repercussions for those clubs who have not supported Rangers. Given that, how could I, as an individual, be expected to roll over and have my tummy tickled by some inducement to allow Rangers to come into the First Division? I gave my opinion to the board on Monday night and the board had a position which was not in any way different from my own.

"That does not mean if and when there is a meeting of the SFL clubs and a vote that the outcome will go the way we want it to go. I imagine some clubs will see some short-term advantage to be had.

"But if long-term you cheese off your season-ticket holders and supporters and backers is it worth it? Do you sell your position for 30 pieces of silver for some short-term advantage or take the moral high ground? From our point of view, there should be an application from Rangers to come into the SFL in the Third Division and that is something that would, I think, be supported by all league clubs."


And even Peterhead say No To Newco:

"I think Rangers should do the honourable thing and go down to the Third Division. I'm sure that, from Rangers' perspective, they will reorganise, rise, and get back to the SPL and be stronger in the end." (Peterhead Chairman)



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I love all this "be stronger in the end" business. They're a bunch of arrogant, cheating little s***s. Why would anyone hope they come back 'stronger'? The oldco took the proverbial out of all of Scottish football and all UK taxpayers. The newco have, within a very short time, managed to show they are of the same stock by behaving with a complete lack of remorse for the behaviour of the oldco, while hoping to grab hold of massive benefits by associating themselves with it.



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Jun 28, 2012, 7:00 AM

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Sufficient SPL clubs have stated they will vote against the Newco being admitted to the SPL. Well done Hearts, Dundee United, Hibernian, Aberdeen, St Johnstone and Inverness Caley Thistle. Shame on the others.

I hope you don't include my club , Motherwell , in the list of shame . We are now a members club and it is these members who are voting on whether to accept Newco or not , surely the most democratic of all the clubs voting on it . Ballot papers have been issued and returned and it does look something like an 80/20 vote not to accept them although obviously until July 4th we won't know for definate . This figure comes from members who have publicly declared which way they voted .


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I think we can assume Newco will not be in the SPL next season.

Rangers would need 23 of 30 SFL votes to get a place in Division One. What Division 2 or 3 club chairman, in his right mind, would say yes to that?


prorege
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Jun 28, 2012, 1:23 PM

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I hope you don't include my club , Motherwell , in the list of shame . We are now a members club and it is these members who are voting on whether to accept Newco or not , surely the most democratic of all the clubs voting on it . Ballot papers have been issued and returned and it does look something like an 80/20 vote not to accept them although obviously until July 4th we won't know for definate . This figure comes from members who have publicly declared which way they voted .

I don't think those that run Motherwell FC needed to delay announcing their opposition. Those clubs that did come out early helped to swing the mood against the Newco. Those that procrastinated, in my view, ducked their responsibility. They've dropped down a good few places in my 'league table' of preferences and are much less likely to get my custom in the coming season. It currently reads: 1St Johnstone 2Dundee United 3Hibernian 4Hearts 5Inverness CT 6Aberdeen 7Ross County 8St Mirren 9Motherwell 10Kilmarnock 11Celtic 12Sevco5088



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prorege
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Jun 29, 2012, 4:24 PM

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Unequivocal and well-explained statement from Dunfermline Athletic FC, saying they will oppose Rangers being placed in Division 1.

http://www.dafc.co.uk/...sals_2208030_2827302

St Mirren have also come out against Rangers being admitted to the SPL.

Just leaves Celtic, Motherwell, Kilmarnock and Ross County on the list of shame.



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Jun 29, 2012, 4:38 PM

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Better change your ''disgusted in '' league table !



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prorege
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Indeed, St Mirren climb 1 and Ross County drop 1.



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prorege
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Statement from Clyde FC. Always had a soft spot for the Bully Wee.


The Club has received a set of papers in advance of the SFL meeting on Tuesday. The essential intent behind those papers is to induce the SFL clubs to agree a proposal to allow a Newco to enter the SFL in the First Division in exchange for a range of structural changes to the current set up and some small financial inducements. Some of the proposed changes have merit in principle.
The Board believe that any proposals for change should not be rushed, as these have been. They also have to be done by consensus and not through threat or inducement, again, as these have been.
The papers include a proposal to allow a Newco to enter the First Division. This is contrary to the rules of the SFL and nothing within the papers justifies this proposal.
As a club owned by its supporters and recovering from having been on the brink of extinction, the Board of Clyde Football Club recognise the damage done to the credibility of Rangers Football Club by its successive owners, and the subsequent impact on staff and supporters. These proposals do nothing to restore that credibility.
It is not for us to become involved in punishment, that is a matter for the SPL and SFA. The SFL clubs are being asked to change their rules so that the SPL and SFA can apply sanctions that fit short term financial interests.
It is not for us to tell any club what they should want for themselves, but to enter anywhere other than the Third Division risks Rangers Football Club being burdened with the legacy of commencing its rebuilding in a manner that they later look back on with regret. Rangers Football Club does not need to be handed a competitive advantage, they are more than capable of returning to the SPL via the Third Division on their own merit. Rebuilding from the bottom can restore the dignity stripped from the club by its former owners.
The papers use emotive language to threaten a future of financial meltdown and they carry the implication of the destruction of the game should a Newco not be entered in the First Division. If things are as bad as indicated then Scottish Football is in a far worse state than is being acknowledged. In which case it is time to accept the bankrupt model needs fixed and not supported and perpetuated on the back of this proposal. The fact that other clubs might face similar financial distress because Rangers Football Club enter the Third Division is hardly a reason to compromise the integrity of the SFL and further compromise Rangers Football Club.
Rather than attempting to prepare a soft landing before delivering sanctions, it would be better to contemplate more radical change that might actually underpin financial stability in the long term for clubs that balance their books. Perhaps an amnesty from sanctions for clubs that are forced to face insolvency procedures in the next 2 years as a result of the current turmoil, and an automatic entry to the Third Division for any club liquidated and reformed in similar circumstances. This would allow 2 years to properly restructure the Scottish Game for the benefit of all and undo the damage that has been created by the current structure which encourages club directors to trade integrity for cash, and then spend beyond their means, willingly risking the very existence of football clubs. If we could believe that the game could be less self interested long enough to resolve this, then this, and other far better ideas, might be worth contemplating.
SPL clubs that have openly stated their opposition to a Newco being given immediate access to the SPL have taken the position based on their, and at times, their supporters' view of what is the right thing to do, however, the vote has still to be taken and proposals such as these are premature. If the SPL clubs vote as indicated on the basis of the increasingly discredited notion of sporting integrity, it would be questionable if the SFL clubs did otherwise.
The reality is that we are faced with unique circumstances and it would be foolish to pretend otherwise, that probably means that compromise for some is inevitable, and perhaps even worthwhile for everyone in the long term. The solution however is not this hastily cobbled together proposal.
The Board of this club sees no merit whatsoever in adopting this proposal.



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Jun 30, 2012, 10:12 PM

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Statement from Clyde FC. Always had a soft spot for the Bully Wee.


The Club has received a set of papers in advance of the SFL meeting on Tuesday. The essential intent behind those papers is to induce the SFL clubs to agree a proposal to allow a Newco to enter the SFL in the First Division in exchange for a range of structural changes to the current set up and some small financial inducements. Some of the proposed changes have merit in principle.
The Board believe that any proposals for change should not be rushed, as these have been. They also have to be done by consensus and not through threat or inducement, again, as these have been.
The papers include a proposal to allow a Newco to enter the First Division. This is contrary to the rules of the SFL and nothing within the papers justifies this proposal.
As a club owned by its supporters and recovering from having been on the brink of extinction, the Board of Clyde Football Club recognise the damage done to the credibility of Rangers Football Club by its successive owners, and the subsequent impact on staff and supporters. These proposals do nothing to restore that credibility.
It is not for us to become involved in punishment, that is a matter for the SPL and SFA. The SFL clubs are being asked to change their rules so that the SPL and SFA can apply sanctions that fit short term financial interests.
It is not for us to tell any club what they should want for themselves, but to enter anywhere other than the Third Division risks Rangers Football Club being burdened with the legacy of commencing its rebuilding in a manner that they later look back on with regret. Rangers Football Club does not need to be handed a competitive advantage, they are more than capable of returning to the SPL via the Third Division on their own merit. Rebuilding from the bottom can restore the dignity stripped from the club by its former owners.
The papers use emotive language to threaten a future of financial meltdown and they carry the implication of the destruction of the game should a Newco not be entered in the First Division. If things are as bad as indicated then Scottish Football is in a far worse state than is being acknowledged. In which case it is time to accept the bankrupt model needs fixed and not supported and perpetuated on the back of this proposal. The fact that other clubs might face similar financial distress because Rangers Football Club enter the Third Division is hardly a reason to compromise the integrity of the SFL and further compromise Rangers Football Club.
Rather than attempting to prepare a soft landing before delivering sanctions, it would be better to contemplate more radical change that might actually underpin financial stability in the long term for clubs that balance their books. Perhaps an amnesty from sanctions for clubs that are forced to face insolvency procedures in the next 2 years as a result of the current turmoil, and an automatic entry to the Third Division for any club liquidated and reformed in similar circumstances. This would allow 2 years to properly restructure the Scottish Game for the benefit of all and undo the damage that has been created by the current structure which encourages club directors to trade integrity for cash, and then spend beyond their means, willingly risking the very existence of football clubs. If we could believe that the game could be less self interested long enough to resolve this, then this, and other far better ideas, might be worth contemplating.
SPL clubs that have openly stated their opposition to a Newco being given immediate access to the SPL have taken the position based on their, and at times, their supporters' view of what is the right thing to do, however, the vote has still to be taken and proposals such as these are premature. If the SPL clubs vote as indicated on the basis of the increasingly discredited notion of sporting integrity, it would be questionable if the SFL clubs did otherwise.
The reality is that we are faced with unique circumstances and it would be foolish to pretend otherwise, that probably means that compromise for some is inevitable, and perhaps even worthwhile for everyone in the long term. The solution however is not this hastily cobbled together proposal.
The Board of this club sees no merit whatsoever in adopting this proposal.


A well thought-out letter.


leohoenig
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well worth repeating in fullCool



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Been reading a number of articles on the Rangers situation and what about this as a solution.

As the season has nearly starter, I think it is too late to reprieve clubs so I would run SPL with only 11 clubs and have no relegation this coming season, thus creating a League 3 vacancy next summer.

As the new Rangers seem to have difficulty opening a bank account never mind hiring players, then I would let them try to organise friendlies for a year to see if they can prove to be able to operate as a club.

Next summer if they are still around then they can take they chance of being elected to SFL Div 3.

So what's wrong with this suggestion? Tongue


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.... and in Division 3, the Currant Buns, which I believe is to be their new moniker,will still have 4 Glasgow derbies to play





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BBC Sport are doing live reporting on the SFL decision.

Almost 4 hours now, and still no decision. Crazy



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SFL 3 it is.



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