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DaFleet
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/.../0/football/25449401

Hereford United facing winding up in January.

Didn't they beat leaders Cambridge United last weekend?!?
They'll be okay then...


(This post was edited by leohoenig on Dec 23, 2013, 9:39 PM)


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spoke to one of there fans on the rain back fro rugby in November and many of them aren't to kean on there owner,,,,,,,



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Shocking financial mis-management.
Wages out of control and failing to pay the taxman.

Sorry for the fans but the club needs sorting out.


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Its always the fans that are the ones to suffer when clubs get themselves into such a state but this carry on at Hereford seems to have been going on for 10 years


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Getting smashed on Boxing day and then again on News Years day in the massive Kidderminster & Worcestershire derby is only going to rub salt into the wounds but I will drop a few pounds in the bucket for good will.

Amazing that they used to regularly get 7,000 sized crowds in their Southern League days, best of luck to them.


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Yep it goes without saying the best of luck to them but there comes a time when public sympathy can wear abit thin when the buckets are making regular appearences.


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Didn't know that Hereford had now moved into a different county. Smile


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best of luck to Hereford united !



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garethwrexy
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ps would be great if some Hereford united fans could give comment on what the situation is at the club at the moment from there point of view.



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Mad Bill
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Yep it goes without saying the best of luck to them but there comes a time when public sympathy can wear abit thin when the buckets are making regular appearences.


They've been there before. They're serial offenders under different managements. Not sure they haven't used up their sympathy entitlement.


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Any comments from Hereford fans !



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A few weeks ago there was a laughable interview with the Chairman of the Conference on the Non League Show, proclaiming all Clubs were debt free and living within their means. Setting aside the rather obvious fact that Aldershot have just been in Administration, I knew it would be a matter of weeks before another went pop. As to the likes of Forest Green, Gateshead and Salisbury (who went bust with 50% higher gates a few years ago!) "living within their means"...yeah right! I don't so much blame the Clubs as the League for blinding themsleves to such doomed business models.



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DaveU
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A few weeks ago there was a laughable interview with the Chairman of the Conference on the Non League Show, proclaiming all Clubs were debt free and living within their means. Setting aside the rather obvious fact that Aldershot have just been in Administration, I knew it would be a matter of weeks before another went pop. As to the likes of Forest Green, Gateshead and Salisbury (who went bust with 50% higher gates a few years ago!) "living within their means"...yeah right! I don't so much blame the Clubs as the League for blinding themsleves to such doomed business models.

All this from a league who, unless they have a change of heart in the next few months, could be turning down a team with decent crowds and a sustainable and profitable business plan.



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All this from a league who, unless they have a change of heart in the next few months, could be turning down a team with decent crowds and a sustainable and profitable business plan but chose to install a pitch that doesn't meet Conference regulations.


There, finished it for youWink


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A club looking to the future probably expected a rule change (it could still happen)but only fool tries to second guess what those clowns are thinking/going to do.They did nothing to help us when we needed it but issue fines and point deductions.Wink


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The pitch has only been laid for 18 months, it would be na´ve to expect the Conference to change their rules the minute Maidstone wanted them to.
As for Hinckley, most of their troubles were of their own making. I don't know how they expected the situation with the non-playing of a fixture to end.


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It kept you out of gods own county so it was well worth the fines and the points deduction hardly sent us down so it was well worth it.SlySly


DaveU
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Ladders...what exactly are your issues with Maidstone. Pretty much every time you post about them it is in a negative way.

Fairly sure I was making a valid point about sustainability and the conference's inability to embrace it in any way (regardless of whether or not the surface is 3G), yet you turn it into yet another anti-maidstone post, as you did when replying to Oxford Stone in the topic about boxing day attendances.



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ladderman
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I think you might be a bit paranoid.
I do remember discussing this situation before the ground was built. The answer at the time was that they'd move the 3G pitch and lay a grass one. It sounded unlikely at the time, and we're not getting the predictable calls for the Conference to completely change their minds because the Stones are doing well.
FWIW, I think it should be allowed in the Conference, but I don't think you can expect a mid-season EGM just to suite your purpose.


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Out of interest who Herefords owners when they dropped out of the football league In 1997 ...?



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On the Maidstone issue I can see where Ladderman is coming from. The club were aware of the rules when they installed the pitch and like Ladderman I want to see Maidstone promoted into the Conference, I have got a soft spot for them after meeting NWS and him coming to Witham Town, but I cant see that the conference would be doing anything wrong if they did not accept the Stones as the rules were clear before the season commenced. Sorry Dave U / Oxford Stone.

Re Hereford I would echo what others have said I had sympathy for them before when they went as no one wanted to see that, but when they do it not long after you have to think my sympathies are best in another direction. (Off topic but for an example ......see other sports sub forum and Michael Schumacher thread)



I would laugh my head off if AFCW went down along with ColUwe and We**ham.

(This post was edited by MarkInGorleston on Dec 30, 2013, 9:29 PM)


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A few weeks ago there was a laughable interview with the Chairman of the Conference on the Non League Show, proclaiming all Clubs were debt free and living within their means. Setting aside the rather obvious fact that Aldershot have just been in Administration, I knew it would be a matter of weeks before another went pop. As to the likes of Forest Green, Gateshead and Salisbury (who went bust with 50% higher gates a few years ago!) "living within their means"...yeah right! I don't so much blame the Clubs as the League for blinding themsleves to such doomed business models.

All this from a league who, unless they have a change of heart in the next few months, could be turning down a team with decent crowds and a sustainable and profitable business plan.


I shouldn't worry, as artificial pitches are legal almost everywhere in Europe at the highest level, someone will end up taking the suits to court over it eventually. Ludicrous Rule.



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The club were aware of the rules when they installed the pitch


This keeps coming up. Since the Standardised Rules were enforced no league in the pyramid has had a rule actually banning them.
For the past few seasons every league in the National League System had the same wording - clubs had to ask permission. As of this season the Conference still have the old wording, steps 3 and below have had their rule reworded so clubs no longer have to ask permission.
Basically The Isthmian League let them play on 3G with exactly the same rule as the Conference currently have.


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A few weeks ago there was a laughable interview with the Chairman of the Conference on the Non League Show, proclaiming all Clubs were debt free and living within their means. Setting aside the rather obvious fact that Aldershot have just been in Administration, I knew it would be a matter of weeks before another went pop. As to the likes of Forest Green, Gateshead and Salisbury (who went bust with 50% higher gates a few years ago!) "living within their means"...yeah right! I don't so much blame the Clubs as the League for blinding themsleves to such doomed business models.

All this from a league who, unless they have a change of heart in the next few months, could be turning down a team with decent crowds and a sustainable and profitable business plan.


I shouldn't worry, as artificial pitches are legal almost everywhere in Europe at the highest level, someone will end up taking the suits to court over it eventually. Ludicrous Rule.




I think that someone may be Maidstone. I know the club have taken legal advise and have been informed that we would have a strong case, although hopefully it won't come to that. What I can't quite understand is the attitude that because we knew the position of the Conference when we built the ground it's somehow wrong for us to campaign to try and change it.
In reply to Ladderman, they don't need an EGM to let us in, a simple committee decision would suffice. They have simply taken that stance through sheer bloody mindedness.



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ladderman
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Do you not think such a change should be agreed by the member clubs, and that they should have time to install a similar pitch? If the decision was taken at the January Conference Board meeting, the chances of any club getting the funding together to lay a 3/4G pitch in time for August 2014 are slim. Seeing as the Conference has real concerns about their promotion deal with the FL - and that's hardly being paranoid - I can see why they're not going to rush anything through purely for your benefit.

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