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Lars
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I think it would be nice with a pronouncation guide for as many teams as possible. Of highest priority is the "nationwide" pronouncation(s), with the local variations being of lesser importance.

Team, NatPron, LocPron, Other
(teams could be sorted alphabethically, or division wise, but I suppose alphabetically is best so one doesn't have to rearrange for every new season)

Realistically, I suppose you Tony aren't exactly jumping in exicement over this suggestion of mine. ;) There are things of higher priority, I suppose... ;)
But someone else perhaps could take responsibilty for the creation of the text document, or Excel sheet or whatever.

Tony Kempster
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If someone is prepared to produce it, I will publish it on site.

AndyE
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I've got a bit of time on my hands at the moment (completed a major contract just before Xmas and have another starting in three weeks, and thus I'm pretty much taking January off), so I'll have a go at that next week.

I'll try and get to this site a bit more often as well!

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Sounds good to me. :)

AndyE
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OK guys, as promised I've had a go at this - it goes down to Step 5 at the moment, but it was rather fun so I may add some more at some point.

There were a couple I wasn't sure about, so corrections extremely welcome. Stressed syllables are shown in capitals, and there's a key to the pronunciation symbols used on the second sheet. (I'm not a phonetician - unlike my good lady who actually is and would probably be horrified - but I reckon they more or less make sense!)

(EDITED to remove attachment - superseded by the revised version downthread.)

(This post was edited by AndyE on Jan 19, 2008, 6:06 PM)

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Very informative, Andy. Just one that I would disagree with, coming from that part of the world, for Tilbury I would say TIL-bree, i.e silent 'U'.

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Thanks mr creosote; I think I pretty much agree there.

I'll collect amendments for a few days and then put a revised version up.

One I'm particularly keen to get a local take on if anyone is able to help. At Rothwell Town FC, do they use "ROTH-wel", or the locally traditional "ROU-@l"?

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You have Fleetwood as FLLET rather than FLEET.

Cogenhoe are the Cooks, I think the local pronunciation is KUK-noh rather tahn KUG-noh?

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You have Fleetwood as FLLET rather than FLEET.

Cogenhoe are the Cooks, I think the local pronunciation is KUK-noh rather tahn KUG-noh?

I was told some time past by a 'native' that Cogenhoe is actually pronounced 'Cook-knee', hence the team nickname !

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Very informative, Andy. Just one that I would disagree with, coming from that part of the world, for Tilbury I would say TIL-bree, i.e silent 'U'.

Likewise with the rest of the "burys"!

ps the two Billingham clubs seem to have slightly different pronunciations for the Billingham part which would be impossible as its the same town!

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Thanks everyone, keep 'em coming!

I've gone to "KUK-noh" for now, but I hear vienna. Has anyone been there and is able to confirm how the club itself pronounces it?

On the "-burys", I agree - with the exception of St Margaretsbury, which sometimes seems even to be pronounced as though it were "St Margaret's Berry".

One more that I'm not convinced about, along with Rothwell. Should Alvechurch be ALV-church, OLV-church or AWLV-church?

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From the Cogenhoe website:

The village of Cogenhoe
(pronounced cook-no, Hence the Nick Name "the Cooks")

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Thanks for all your efforts: a very useful item.
P.S. Wantage as WON-tij possibly?

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Portsmouth is Ports-muff in this part of the world, Pompey that is

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I know this must be annoying as, with something like this, people are only going to highlight things they think are wrong. So kudos for doing this, it's very interesting.

However, as I understand it, @ means 'ah', as in 'Camel' or 'Pat'. You've got @ at the end of a lot of things which end in 'on' i.e. Acrington, Boston, Taunton, Washington.

Surely the 'on' at the end of these is pronounced 'un', and not 'an'?

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However, as I understand it, @ means 'ah', as in 'Camel' or 'Pat'. You've got @ at the end of a lot of things which end in 'on' i.e. Acrington, Boston, Taunton, Washington.

See key on page 2

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However, as I understand it, @ means 'ah', as in 'Camel' or 'Pat'. You've got @ at the end of a lot of things which end in 'on' i.e. Acrington, Boston, Taunton, Washington.

See key on page 2

Aha!

AndyE
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Thanks everyone, continue to keep them coming please! (Especially Rothwell and Alvechurch - I remain uncertain on those two.)

While I was out at football this afternoon (Chatham Town 3 Dover Athletic 1 - very bizarre and Dover very bad tempered), my good lady had a look at the spreadsheet and spotted a few typos. Together with the corrections suggested here, there are now enough changes for a revised edition of the spreadsheet. (And I'm very happy to be told what people think is wrong, because then I can put it right.)

On the @ - S knows about this stuff so I'll let her explain: This is a linguists' convention when typing in plain text - it represents the vowel technically called a "schwa", for which the official phonetic symbol is an e turned through 180°. But that would require special characters and fonts that not everyone has, so is best avoided for an audience who are not language specialists. English as spoken in England actually has two slightly different vowels which are both represented by this symbol, but the distinction is unimportant for the present purposes.

EDITED to remove attachment - superseded by revised version downthread

(This post was edited by AndyE on Jan 21, 2008, 2:39 AM)

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One more that I'm not convinced about, along with Rothwell. Should Alvechurch be ALV-church, OLV-church or AWLV-church?

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HENS-FORD

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The people of Port Talbot say LEI-Doh not LEE-Doh -

I agree with your pronunciation and say Lee-Doh as that is the Italian way; but the majority probably say LEI-doh - makes life difficult!

On a similar vein North Leigh should be NAW LEI - I think it was discussed in earlier pronunciation threads.

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Mick, surely its NORTH! The word is clearly North! It may be pronounced Naw locally but thats not the purpose of this list. Surely its the generally accepted pronunciation that we're after - not the way its pronounced in a range of accents and dialects! The list could be alot wider if Andy were to do that!

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If we are supposed to pronounce teams in our local accents how they are spelled there is no point in this guide at all Tongue

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If they say LEI-doh in Port Talbot, then LEI-doh it is!

Things like "NAW" are tricky - clearly the word is "North", and if pronouncing it carefully even a local would say "North". That part is one for the comments column I think. I didn't know it was LEI rather than LEE though, so shall amend that (Leigh in Kent is the same as it happens - twas originally spelt Lyghe, which makes more sense. We have some magnificently silly ones in Kent, as they do in Norfolk.)

I'm going to add Step 6 in tomorrow, which means more village teams - and hence probably more slightly odd ones. Watch this space ...

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Surely Gillingham should be JIL-ing-@m, not JIL-ing@-am?

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