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The competition reaches the regional finals stage - Round 4 (last 64) this Sunday 10th June and now has it's own website, but to find out the fixtures you have to download a separate PDF from all 32 regions to see who their finals are between and results from previous rounds so will have to wait until they come up on the play-cricket website before publishing them allUnimpressed.

Future round dates are:

Round 5 - June 24
Round 6 - July 8
Quarter-finals - July 22
Semi-Finals - August 5
Final - September 16


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I was going to post next week's fixtures but quite a few links to the regional results go nowhere. Not impressed.


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Results from the last round can be found at
http://www.nvko.play-cricket.com/...ite/web_pages/106598
Choose filter for last month. Group numbers mean you can work out who's playing who on Sunday but not who has home advantage for the gamesCrazy.


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This Sunday's 4th Round fixtures now up on the play-cricket website (1300 unless stated):

Group 1 - Scotland:
Freuchie v Falkland
Group 2 - Northumberland, Durham, Tyne & Wear:
Stocksfield v Wolviston (TBC)
Group 3 - North Yorkshire (North):
Sessay v Folkton & Flixton
Group 4 - North Yorkshire (South):
Addingham v Harome (TBC)
Group 5 West Yorks, South Yorks & Humberside:
Welton v East Ardsley
Group 6 - Cumbria & North Lancs:
Read v Lindal Moor
Group 8 - Cheshire & Clwyd:
Broadbottom v Alvanley
Group 9 - Derbyshire:
South Wingfield v Glapwell Colliery
Group 10 - Shropshire, Staffs & W Midlands:
Quatt v Pelsall
Group 11 - Leics, Notts & Lincs:
Newton Linford v Billesdon
Group 12 - Warwickshire:
Fillongley v Norton Lindsey & Wolverton
Group 13 - Worcestershire:
Astwood Bank v Hagley
Group 14 - Herefordshire & Powys:
Ashton Ingham v Colwall (TBC)
Group 15 - Northamptonshire:
Barby v East Haddon (TBC)
Group 16 - Dyfed:
Bronwydd v Cresselly (1330)
Group 17 - Glamorgan & Gwent:
Miskin Manor v Lisvane
Group 18 - Gloucestershire:
Corse & Staunton v Marshfield
Group 19 - Oxfordshire:
Langford v Oxford Downs (TBC)
Group 20 - Dorset & Wilts:
Lacock v Shrewton
Group 21 - Buckinghamshire:
Westbury v Stoke Green
Group 22 - Beds & Herts:
Preston (Herts) v Langleybury
Group 23 - Essex & Suffolk:
Worlington v East Bergholt
Group 24 - Surrey:
Frensham v Rowledge
Group 25 - Berkshire:
Cookham Dean v Peppard Stoke Row
Group 26 - Hampshire:
Liphook & Ripsley v Easton & Martyr Worthy
Group 27 - Somerset & Avon:
Hinton Charterhouse v North Perrott
Group 28 - Devon & Cornwall:
Roche Old Boys v Gulval
Group 29 - Cambridgeshire & Norfolk:
Thirplow v Foxton
Group 30 - East Sussex:
Glynde & Beddingham v Mayfield
Group 31 - West Sussex:
Bedhampton Mariners v Findon
Group 32 - Kent:
Bidborough v Borstal

Group 7 - South Lancs, Greater Manchester & Merseyside is missing. Egerton awaiting home regional final vs Daisy Hill or Croston Sports.


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I discover that Premier League clubs are now allowed to take part, but may not field 1st XI players.

That's a bit silly if you ask me, but you didn't. Sessay are the only Premier League club in those fixtures above. They won the competition in 2016, at which time they were not a Premier League club, but I'll be very surprised if they repeat that this year.

By way of contrast, the Kent final is between a Step 8 club and a Non-Pyramid club. That's more what the competition is supposed to be about.


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Sessay's second XI, who play in Division Two (Galtres) of the York & District Senior League, are contesting the 2018 National Village Cup. Having tasted playing in the Lord's final (a couple of times?), Sessay obviously can't let this competition go, despite the first XI now being ineligible after winning promotion to Yorkshire Premier League North.

Seems to be the same teams, year after year, in this competition. I wonder about Welton & Brough's inclusion. Welton (where Dick Turpin was arrested, incidentally) is a village, certainly, but Brough (population 7,000) is a small town! The Welton & Brough club was the result of a 2007 merger of Welton CC and Blackburn Leisure (Brough) CC. Looking at the small number of teams in this year's opening round, it's obvious hardly any Yorkshire village clubs bother with this competition.



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I discover that Premier League clubs are now allowed to take part, but may not field 1st XI players.

That's a bit silly if you ask me, but you didn't. Sessay are the only Premier League club in those fixtures above. They won the competition in 2016, at which time they were not a Premier League club, but I'll be very surprised if they repeat that this year.

Frocester had teams in both competitions this year and both were knocked out last weekend, the 1st XI losing to Bath in the National Clubs Championship while the 2nds lost to Marshfield in the Gloucestershire Semi-Final of the National Village Cup. As both NVKO and play-cricket websites list all teams as 1st XI's it's difficult to spot who are actually 2nd teams.


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I didn't know about Frocester, but it is undoubtedly a village as surely as Sessay is.

The definition of "village" has been a rather fraught topic over the years. The current definition is that a village is "a rural community consisting of not more than 10,000 inhabitants", so long as it is not a "market town". At one time anywhere with a Town Council was ruled not to be a village, as Usk CC once found to their cost, and I think the population rule used to be 5,000.

Rural seems to mean "has fields all round it", but the organisers reserve the right to bend the rules as they see fit. Sawbridgeworth CC took part this year despite having a population in excess of 10,000 and a market charter (the charter market is no longer held, although there is a farmers market). Brough too would be a town to most peoples' way of thinking, and it too has a market charter although no market. I wondered whether the organisers were taking Welton and Brough CC to be in Welton, much as Welton is pretty much joined on to Brough in any case, but the ground is in fact in Brough so that won't really work.

It's impossible to be consistent in applying the definition. Lancing is technically a village - it has a Parish Council rather than a Town Council - but would be excluded by its population of 19,000. Framlingham, on the other hand, has a population of scarcely 3,000 and is in the absolute middle of nowhere - but it has a market, so would also be excluded.

A better definition would be "competition is open to all clubs not in Premier Leagues", since those who are in Premier Leagues should be playing in the National Knockout instead. That would make it akin to the FA Vase - but if that was the rule it would probably be won by Bromley, since they are not currently in the Kent Premier and currently have two test players in their team.


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A better definition would be "competition is open to all clubs not in Premier Leagues", since those who are in Premier Leagues should be playing in the National Knockout instead. That would make it akin to the FA Vase - but if that was the rule it would probably be won by Bromley, since they are not currently in the Kent Premier and currently have two test players in their team.

Your 'FA Vase' suggestion is appealing. That said, getting a decent number of league cricket clubs to take seriously any national club competition seems a Herculean task. I do wish league cricket were a little less parochial.

I suppose there are only so many weekend dates in the cricket season. Take, for example, Hoylandswaine, a Yorkshire club who must meet (do they?) entry criteria for the National Village Cup but don't take part (have they ever?) despite being likely to reach the closing stages. I guess Swaine prioritise the Huddersfield League, the Sykes Cup, the Heavy Woollen Cup and the Black Sheep Trophy.



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I didn't know about Frocester, but it is undoubtedly a village as surely as Sessay is.

The definition of "village" has been a rather fraught topic over the years. The current definition is that a village is "a rural community consisting of not more than 10,000 inhabitants", so long as it is not a "market town". At one time anywhere with a Town Council was ruled not to be a village, as Usk CC once found to their cost, and I think the population rule used to be 5,000.

Rural seems to mean "has fields all round it", but the organisers reserve the right to bend the rules as they see fit. Sawbridgeworth CC took part this year despite having a population in excess of 10,000 and a market charter (the charter market is no longer held, although there is a farmers market). Brough too would be a town to most peoples' way of thinking, and it too has a market charter although no market. I wondered whether the organisers were taking Welton and Brough CC to be in Welton, much as Welton is pretty much joined on to Brough in any case, but the ground is in fact in Brough so that won't really work.

It's impossible to be consistent in applying the definition. Lancing is technically a village - it has a Parish Council rather than a Town Council - but would be excluded by its population of 19,000. Framlingham, on the other hand, has a population of scarcely 3,000 and is in the absolute middle of nowhere - but it has a market, so would also be excluded.

A better definition would be "competition is open to all clubs not in Premier Leagues", since those who are in Premier Leagues should be playing in the National Knockout instead. That would make it akin to the FA Vase - but if that was the rule it would probably be won by Bromley, since they are not currently in the Kent Premier and currently have two test players in their team.

The rules used to state that villages had to be surrounded on all sides by open countryside but that requirement was removed a couple of years ago. The definition of 'rural' now seems to be entirely the opinion of the organisers.

A change to an FA Vase style competition could work provided the players' eligibility requirements remain as they are. Bromley's Test players would currently not qualify because they have 'played in at least one match for any first-class team or in any List A game, including matches played for or against any UCCE, Scotland, Wales and Ireland, in the last 25 years.'


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That said, getting a decent number of league cricket clubs to take seriously any national club competition seems a Herculean task. I do wish league cricket were a little less parochial.


Part of the issue is that Premier League cricket is really quite intense these days, and a lot of players don't want to play on both Saturday and Sunday. What's more, those who are not single often say that they are "not allowed to". That didn't happen in my day, but such is modern society.

The first couple of rounds at least of the National Knockout really ought to be played on Saturdays. It could be done in the South with its 18 game league season, but it's harder to accommodate in the North and Midlands with their 22 game league season.



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A change to an FA Vase style competition could work provided the players' eligibility requirements remain as they are. Bromley's Test players would currently not qualify because they have 'played in at least one match for any first-class team or in any List A game, including matches played for or against any UCCE, Scotland, Wales and Ireland, in the last 25 years.'


I've never really understood why they have such rules. The FA Cup does not have a rule that all the players must be English and uncapped. Why do the club cricket cup competitions go out of their way to exclude the best players?

I'm only picking on Bromley a little bit, incidentally. They just happen to have been my own club's fiercest rivals for the last 150 years or so - although not right now, because we are a division higher than they are!


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Part of the issue is that Premier League cricket is really quite intense these days, and a lot of players don't want to play on both Saturday and Sunday. What's more, those who are not single often say that they are "not allowed to". That didn't happen in my day, but such is modern society.

The first couple of rounds at least of the National Knockout really ought to be played on Saturdays.

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Interesting to note Welton & Brough's selected XIs for their Saturday (York & District Senior League) and Sunday (National Village Cup) games this weekend. According to the club's Twitter feed, only three players involved in the league match are taking part in the NVC tie. One can only speculate about the reasons...



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4th Round
Group 1 - Scotland:
Freuchie lost to Falkland
Group 2 - Northumberland, Durham, Tyne & Wear:
Stocksfield v Wolviston 17 June
Group 3 - North Yorkshire (North):
Sessay 164/7 lost to Folkton & Flixton 167/3
Group 4 - North Yorkshire (South):
Addingham 186/3 beat Harome 182/10
Group 5 West Yorks, South Yorks & Humberside:
Welton lost to East Ardsley by 50 runs
Group 6 - Cumbria & North Lancs:
Read 207/9 lost to Lindal Moor 211/3
Group 7 - S Lancs Greater M/c, Merseyside
Egerton 226/4 beat Daisy Hill 179/10
Group 8 - Cheshire & Clwyd:
Broadbottom 182/10 Alvanley 182/10 (Awaiting decision from Lords according to Alvanley CC)
Group 9 - Derbyshire:
South Wingfield 122/10 lost to Glapwell Colliery 221/5
Group 10 - Shropshire, Staffs & W Midlands:
Quatt 153/10 lost to Pelsall 155/1
Group 11 - Leics, Notts & Lincs:
Newton Linford 197/10 beat Billesdon 171/10
Group 12 - Warwickshire:
Fillongley 160/6 beat Norton Lindsey & Wolverton 159/9
Group 13 - Worcestershire:
Astwood Bank 181/9 lost to Hagley 182/3
Group 14 - Herefordshire & Powys:
Aston Ingham 172/10 lost to Colwall 264/5
Group 15 - Northamptonshire:
Barby 233/4 beat East Haddon 215/5
Group 16 - Dyfed:
Bronwydd 160/10 beat Cresselly 149/10
Group 17 - Glamorgan & Gwent:
Miskin Manor 215/7 beat Lisvane 175/10
Group 18 - Gloucestershire:
Corse & Staunton 172/6 lost to Marshfield 175/5
Group 19 - Oxfordshire:
Langford lost to Oxford Downs
Group 20 - Dorset & Wilts:
Lacock 120/10 lost to Shrewton 179/10
Group 21 - Buckinghamshire:
Westbury 156/10 lost to Stoke Green 212/10
Group 22 - Beds & Herts:
Preston (Herts) 134/10 lost to Langleybury 179/9
Group 23 - Essex & Suffolk:
Worlington 324/3 beat East Bergholt 252/6
Group 24 - Surrey:
Frensham lost to Rowledge
Group 25 - Berkshire:
Cookham Dean 130/1 beat Peppard Stoke Row 129/10
Group 26 - Hampshire:
Liphook & Ripsley 168/2 beat Easton & Martyr Worthy 166/8
Group 27 - Somerset & Avon:
Hinton Charterhouse lost to North Perrott
Group 28 - Devon & Cornwall:
Roche Old Boys v Gulval
Group 29 - Cambridgeshire & Norfolk:
Thirplow 175/10 lost to Foxton 179/4
Group 30 - East Sussex:
Glynde & Beddingham 124/10 lost to Mayfield 221/9
Group 31 - West Sussex:
Bedhampton Mariners 54/10 lost to Findon 175/9
Group 32 - Kent:
Bidborough 254/2 beat Borstal 250/9


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Group 28 Guival conceded to Roche Old Boys.



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Has anyone found the Round 5 (and beyond) draw? This is normally published and placed on site at the start of the season but I can't see it. I know from twitter that the Surrey group winners are away to the West Sussex winners ... so the information must be out there somewhere.


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Broadbottom 182/10 Alvanley 182/10 (Awaiting decision from Lords according to Alvanley CC)

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Broadbottom batted for 39.0 overs, Alvanley for 40.0


(f) If the scores are level, the side which has lost fewer
wickets shall be the winner.
(g) If still equal, the side which received fewer balls at
the end of the match shall be the winner (wides and
no-balls do not count).

So that must surely mean Broadbottom progress.


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Aha! The National Rounds page has appeared. Converting the groups into clubs we get (with all the usual caveats!)

Round 5 (24 June)
Fillongley v Hagley
Bronwydd v Colwall
Glapwell Colliery v Newton Linford
Barby v Pelsall

Stocksfield or Wolviston v Falkland
East Ardsley v Addingham
Folkton & Flixton v Egerton
Lindal Moor v Broadbottom

Worlington v Langleybury
Stoke Green v Foxton
Findon v Rowledge
Bidborough v Mayfield

North Perrott v Roche Old Boys
Shrewton v Marshfield
Liphook & Ripsley v Cookham Dean
Oxford Downs v Miskin Manor


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Round 4
Stocksfield lost to Wolviston by 38 runs.


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Round 5 (24 June)
Fillongley 283/5 beat Hagley 279/7
Bronwydd 149/10 lost to Colwall 155/9
Glapwell Colliery 241/7 lost to Newton Linford 243/9
Barby 194/6 lost Pelsall 198/5

Wolviston 160/10 lost to Falkland 206/10
East Ardsley v Addingham
Folkton & Flixton 152/3 beat Egerton 150/10
Lindal Moor lost to Broadbottom

Worlington 270/4 beat Langleybury 232/10
Stoke Green 198/9 lost to Foxton 199/6
Findon 159/6 lost to Rowledge 162/10
Bidborough lidt tonMayfield by 8 wkrs

North Perrott 160/5 beat Roche Old Boys 158/10
Shrewton 175/10 lost to Marshfield 265/6
Liphook & Ripsley 110/3 beat Cookham Dean 109/10
Oxford Downs 228/7 beat Miskin Manor

Round 6 (8 July)
Fillongley v Colwall
Newton Linford v Pelsall
Falkland v East Ardsely or Addingham
Folkton & Flixton v Broadbottom
Worlington v Foxton
Rowledge v Mayfield
North Perrott v Marshfield
Liphook & Ripsley v Oxford Downs


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Round 6 (8 July)
Fillongley v Colwall
Newton Linford v Pelsall
Falkland v East Ardsely or Addingham
Folkton & Flixton v Broadbottom
Worlington v Foxton
Rowledge v Bidborough or Mayfeild
North Perrott v Marshfield
Liphook & Ripsley v Oxford Downs


Rowledge will be at home to Mayfield who won their Round 5 match at Bidborough by 8 wickets (Bidborough 136 ao)


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Thanks - have edited the results/fixtures.


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Round 5
East Ardsley 209/7 beat Addingham 85/10


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Round 6 (8 July)
Fillongley 216/8 beat Colwall 215/9
Newton Linford 252/8 lost to Pelsall 287/6
Falkland 215/6 beat East Ardsley 140/10
Folkton & Flixton beat Broadbottom by 1 wicket
Worlington 288/7 beat Foxton 253/10
Rowledge 130/10 lost to Mayfield 151/10
North Perrott 188/9 beat Marshfield 167/10
Liphook & Ripsley 238/10 beat Oxford Downs 167/10

Round 7 (22 July)
Fillongley v Pelsall
Falkland v Folkton & Flixton
Worlington v Mayfield
North Perrott v Liphook & Ripsley


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Round 7 (22 July)
Fillongley beat Pelsall
Falkland 187/9 lost to Folkton & Flixton 190/7 by 3 wkts
Worlington 180/10 lost to Mayfield 181/4 by 6 wkts
North Perrott 243/7 lost to Liphook & Ripsley 246/4 by 6 wkts

Semi-finals (5 August)
Fillongley v Folkton & Flixton
Mayfield v Liphook & Ripsley


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Re: [PaulC] Cricket - National Village Cup 2018 [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

Semi-finals
Fillongley 206/7 lost to Folkton & Flixton 207/3 by 7 wickets
Mayfield 125/10 lost to Liphook & Ripsley 218/10 by 93 runs

Final at Lords, 16 September
Folkton & Flixton v Liphook & Ripsley

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