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Feversham Lens
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Headlines (good to see the RFL has lost none of its flair for eleventh hour relocations of the goalposts):

Championship (tier two) increases in size from 12 to 14 clubs;

Three clubs promoted - the top two automatically - from League One (tier three) at the end of 2018;

Only one club relegated from the Championship at the end of 2018;

Teams finishing third to sixth (rather than second to fifth) will contest the 2018 League One promotion play-offs.

http://www.totalrl.com/...th-three-up-from-l1/

Like the look of it, myself (not least because York are likely to feature at tier two in 2019). League One, at present, is a mess. The top few clubs are way, way ahead of the bottom handful, evidenced by several cricket scores this season.

In my ideal world, the 2019 Championship would look like this: Barrow, Batley, Bradford, Dewsbury, Featherstone, Halifax, Leigh, London, Rochdale, Sheffield, Toulouse, Widnes, Workington, York.



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And the proposals involving SL?


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And the proposals involving SL?

To be revealed? The link (above) indicates promotion and relegation to and from Super League (Toronto and Widnes swapping places, most likely) won't be affected this year.



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And the proposals involving SL?

It's being suggested the 'Eights' will be abandoned for 2019, with the club topping the Championship after completing its regular season games being promoted at the expense of Super League's bottom club. Would make the Championship less attractive, I feel, regardless of which clubs are in it.



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And the proposals involving SL?

It's being suggested the 'Eights' will be abandoned for 2019, with the club topping the Championship after completing its regular season games being promoted at the expense of Super League's bottom club. Would make the Championship less attractive, I feel, regardless of which clubs are in it.

There was talk of giving the 8s one more year so to give time to have dialogue with clubs, fans, sponsors etc but it seems most clubs are happy to see the back of what many perceive to have been a failed format.


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It means that if we get a dominant team like this season's Toronto, the rest of the full time teams will be playing meaningless games for most of the season. Crowds will fall and the season after the teams will no longer be able to afford to be full-time.

It will make the Championship even less attractive than what it is now.



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It means that if we get a dominant team like this season's Toronto...

The parachute payment - assuming it continues - makes this pretty likely (Leigh's 2018 experience notwithstanding).



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That's true but any comment based on the dominance of a certain number of teams has to be viewed in the context of that season alone and you can't really organise the competition on the basis of current team strengths.

I'd prefer to see 2 up, 2 down or at least a play off between 2nd in the championship and 2nd last in super league. I know the issue of security is key to gaining investment in the top flight but to go from the current format, which is incredibly open, to a relatively conservative format of 1 up, 1 down is quite a jump.


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Yes, I know -rearranging RL to make a competitive competition is as old a pastime as rearranging the railways to make a decent service - but the proposal as outlined above is pretty daft, in that it effectively no hopes of promotion for the majority of the level 2 teams.

What would be the point of being Halifax, London, Featherstone....

This then will result in stagnation.

One of RLs key problems is that there are too many teams/clubs/franchises to make 1 division, but not enough for 2.

I'm sure this has been suggested before, but what would be wrong with going to an NFL style arrangement of 2 'conferences' of say 12 teams each (won't bore here by making a list, but there are clearly sufficient candidates) then some form of playoffs as per the NFL to lead up to a Grand Final?

For the remaining league 1 clubs it's a choice of either falling back into winter RL (which I'd guess for many wouldn't be a bad thing - they could hardly be more on the breadline) or giving up the idea that a 'professional sport' can be staged in front of fewer than 200 and involve losses of more than 50 points per game on a weekly basis.


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Let's be honest: even under the existing system, there isn't much point being Featherstone, Halifax or London. None of those clubs, in the near future, is likely to win promotion to Super League. Everybody knows it, which is why crowds at all three (Halifax, in particular) have declined so markedly in recent years.

Rugby league's other key problem is this: the smaller clubs could be competitive, most of the time, when the sport was semi-professional, and the money it generated shared round fairly equally. Now, because the big (and bigger) clubs hog almost all the money, and as a result are able to maintain full-time squads, the smaller, part-time clubs haven't a prayer of being competitive.

What criteria would you use to place teams in two 'conferences'? Surely not geography, a model abandoned in the 1960s. Even by creating two 'conferences' of nominally equal ability, I'm pretty sure you'd end up with the leading, full-time clubs being exactly the same as they are now. I'm afraid the likes of Leeds simply don't want to turn back the clock and have, for example, Batley and Dewsbury on their fixture list.

Ideally, rugby league would have a Super League I and a Super League II, with 10 (or even 12) full-time clubs in each. Without an influx of franchise clubs based in communities beyond the north of England, that's never going to happen because the game's heartlands - Cumbria, Lancashire and Yorkshire - cannot generate sufficient players, spectators and sponsors to make it viable.



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With the proposed influx of teams from North America in the next few years and the possibility of further expansion into France after Catalans win in the Challenge Cup then 24 full time professional teams might happen soon.


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I'm not holding my breath. The proposal for a club in New York seems to be losing momentum. Pretty quiet on the Hamilton front, too. Of the French clubs to express an interest in joining British rugby league, Carcassonne and Villeneuve (Les Leopards d'Aquitaine) are very small. Avignon, on the other hand, have some potential.



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I don't think it would matter how conferences were organised but I think 24 at the top level would be too many. I think it would better to reduce rather than expand. Had ten teams in Super League playing three times and that even allows everyone a balanced schedule as the Magic Weekend fixtures wouldn't need to be in addition to the usual home/away set.


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I think it would better to reduce rather than expand.

There might not be a choice. Natural selection is likely to result in the same number of clubs we'd have had if the proposed eve of Super League mergers had gone ahead. As a schoolboy, I watched both Halifax and Huddersfield. As things stand, the two clubs joining forces is even more of a no-brainer than in 1996.



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Rugby League could be expanding eastwards

https://www.bbc.co.uk/...ugby-league/45322452

This won't be the first time Rugby League has looked east, Moscow played in the Challenge Cup for several seasons. Whether this leads to something more long term and a team playing regular league fixtures in the UK isn't known.


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Rugby League could be expanding eastwards

https://www.bbc.co.uk/...ugby-league/45322452

This won't be the first time Rugby League has looked east, Moscow played in the Challenge Cup for several seasons. Whether this leads to something more long term and a team playing regular league fixtures in the UK isn't known.
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Whatever happens, someone has to grasp the nettle soon.

For all that SL seems to be fairly vibrant just now (decentish crowds (lets ignore Salford), good sporting competition) there's a whole load of places that have a viable following for RL, but aren't getting the sport at a decent level just now and the latest plan to make it 1-up, 1 - down will only make things worse.

For all that it was reviled at the time Lindsay's 1996(?) franchises might be partly a way forward...a S Yorks, team, a W Cumbria team, a London team, a Scots team in the Borders....

With France and others there's enough there for some kind of elite competition for a meaningful 20-something game season - but as for the rest, the Rochdales and the Oldhams, and sadly from my POV, the Keighleys, time to pack the summer lark up and return to the time of year when a physical contact game should be played.

Gently sunny days of late autumn and spring where it's a joy to watch running rugby and cold, wet and muddy days when it's a joy to watch the sheer brute force of forward power try to win an up the jumper arm wrestle (to mix metaphors)


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Rugby league could be expanding westwards. Dublin Blues are eyeing League One. They plan to play home games at Morton Stadium (an athletics track, groan). The All-Ireland RL Championship is reasonably well established. The 2017 season's reigning champions, Longhorns RL (Ashbourne, County Meath), qualified for the 2018 Challenge Cup, losing 58-10 at fellow amateurs West Hull.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/...tter_impression=true



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And the proposals involving SL?

To be revealed? The link (above) indicates promotion and relegation to and from Super League (Toronto and Widnes swapping places, most likely) won't be affected this year.

So its a week tomorrow when we find out the plans for any potential changes for SL and what are the odds that the big boys will get what they want?

On another note surely the WC in USA in 2025 will not happen after the RFL have still not received monies owed by Moore Sports and the next two tests in the USA have now been cancelled, New Zealand (who are also owed cash) have already made plans to play Australia instead. A brave move that was doomed to fail by the sheer expectations put on it by the promoters.


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Financial issues aside, a crowd of 19000 was a decent turn out, it was just the wrong stadium, which holds 76000.


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Financial issues aside, a crowd of 19000 was a decent turn out, it was just the wrong stadium, which holds 76000.

I thought 19k was a decent turn out as well but they were hoping for 40k.


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I've just been looking through the RFL website for 2018 play-off information and 2019 structure. Promotion from League One to the Championship is League One champions automatically promoted and, after a series of games, a play-off between a League One team from the play-offs between teams finished 2nd to 5th and the team finishing 8th in the championship shield, which means the Championship increases by one team for 2019 to 13 teams

Also on the RFL website is the structure for 2019 with 14 teams in the Championship.

What will be the structure for 2019 and if it is 14 teams have the League One play-offs changed?

http://media.rugby-league.com/...20Structure%20v4.pdf


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The winner of the play offs between teams 2-5 in League One is automatically promoted, with the loser of the play off final then playing off against the eighth placed team in the Championship Shield.

At least that is what they agreed at last week's EGM. This being rugby league, there is probably still time for them to change their minds again.


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The winner of the play offs between teams 2-5 in League One is automatically promoted, with the loser of the play off final then playing off against the eighth placed team in the Championship Shield.

At least that is what they agreed at last week's EGM. This being rugby league, there is probably still time for them to change their minds again.

Venue to be decided by coin toss, apparently...

York, Bradford and Doncaster up; either Rochdale or (preferably) Swinton down. Sounds good!



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Doncaster beat Workington today, a fixture that will be repeated in the play-offs, hopefully with the same outcome. I can't see Bradford losing to Oldham which will mean Bradford v Doncaster in the play-off final and I would have to give that one to the home side, assuming Bradford will get home advantage. Since the loser gets a second bite at the cherry then Swinton at home to Doncaster for the last promotion spot. Swinton are away at Sheffield which is winnable while Rochdale are at Batley, and I can't see Rochdale winning there

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