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Tony Kempster
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This is an email I received from Pete Athersmith, the secretary of Rushall Olympic. I sympathise with his point but have suggested to him that if he uses this style and tone in his correspondence with the footballing authorities, it may have the opposite effect to the one that he wants Unsure


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Why do you insist on putting Rushall Olympic in the Uni-Bond league for, we have told the F.A. in London several times that we have no desire, no reason and no intention of moving to that league. We will not be pushed and shoved by anyone including you to do something we don't think is in the best interest of our club and that move would be of no benifit to us at all. In fact we would loose local games at grounds all within 40 miles of Dales Lane such as Chasetown, Sutton, Romulus, Willenhall, Bromsgrove, Malvern and Stourport this is equal to one third of our season without a coach. Most of the other teams in our division are only about 60/70 miles from us so our traveling is very good.

Our local grounds in the Uni-Bond would be Quorn, Shepshed or Gresley all about 45 miles from us only three localish games. Instead of recomending us it should be the Northern League that transfers they are part of the pyramid system when it pleases them. They are willing to enter the F.A. Cup and take the prize money but don't want to move anywhere why should they then be part of the system. The Northern clubs in the BGB League are happy were they are it's only some idiot like you without a map that keeps giving the F.A. these daft ideas, what right have you got to put us anywere in the first place without even having the manners to ask our clubs views. Put us back in the BGB league then at least you will get something right.

Yous
Pete Athersmith
(Secretary Rushall Olympic)




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It sounds like he's been having this argument in his head for some time and you have felt the climax of it Tony. It's quite ironic, given all the good ideas that come out of this site which are roundly ignored by the authorities, that he feels you are influencing the FA!



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It sounds like he's been having this argument in his head for some time and you have felt the climax of it Tony. It's quite ironic, given all the good ideas that come out of this site which are roundly ignored by the authorities, that he feels you are influencing the FA!


I think there are a lot of people within the game who believe that this site influences the F.A.

Rightly or wrongly.



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It doesn't influence the Southern League, though, does it?! I remember Strudwick's dreadful announcement on the Southern League site season before last.


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It doesn't influence the Southern League, though, does it?! I remember Strudwick's dreadful announcement on the Southern League site season before last.


I missed that, Phil.

What I will say though is that there is quite a bit of 'opinion and speculation' on the site that comes across as being fact or probability, especially regarding the maps, promotions and relegations.

One example concerns the recent ground gradings, where Rocester were listed as failing or withdrawing their application yet neither case was true and that caused quite a stir within the club until matters were clarified by the chairman.

I think it's important that people remember that this site is a great place for debate and putting forward ideas, but it isn't a mouthpiece or a guideline for the F.A.



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What I will say though is that there is quite a bit of 'opinion and speculation' on the site that comes across as being fact or probability, especially regarding the maps, promotions and relegations.

I think it's important that people remember that this site is a great place for debate and putting forward ideas, but it isn't a mouthpiece or a guideline for the F.A.


I agree wholeheartedly.
Travelling around the grounds you hear loads of rumours which I can only assume eminate from this website.
I'm not saying Tony's suggestions are wrong, in most cases they make perfect sense, but people see them, take the idea and run with it.
This season it's been rumoured that Bedfont Green, Wembley and North Greenford are being moved into the SSML as one of the maps shows. Bedfont Green are sharing with Hampton & Richmond for the next three seasons so they won't be moved.

A quote from someone connected with Redhill FC on FansFocus:- "Each year we here we are going into the Combined Counties League.?
Love to know where all this starts from each year!


Although the writer is remaining tightlipped about whether they are actually changing leagues for next season. Maybe they don't know themselves. Can't see any point in keeping this sort of thing secret.

Of course, I may be wrong in my belief that Tony's maps are, inadvertently, the source of all the speculation but I can't see where else it's coming from.

And I'm not saying he should stop putting forward suggestions either but people do take what they see on here as gospel.

All will be revealed at the AGM's......


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Sorry, but Tony says quite clearly at http://www.tonykempster.co.uk/maps08-09.htm
"The maps and lists below are based on the following assumptions and are my guess at what it could look like. The final decision will be made by the FA Leagues committee after the end of the season"
If people, including the then secretary of the Southern League, take it as gospel, then that is their fault. I also believe that Tony himself has no sense of power or authority when he makes these guesses, but just enjoys sensible speculation and provides a platform for discussion for like-minded people. This makes this one of the best football sites around.


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What an extraordinarily bad-mannered (and badly written) message. Perhaps Mr Athersmith's attitude runs through the whole club – Rushall came to Banbury two seasons ago for a Southern League cup match and put on a display of crude tactics and persistent, foul-mouthed dissent that almost defied belief and incensed the home supporters. They lost, appropriately to a free-kick awarded for an unnecessary foul. Oh, how we laughed. One Banbury supporter suggested to a pop-eyed, veins-bulging Rushall defender that if his team were engaged in pimping or gun-running, it might be considered a more reputable activity than their football.


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What an extraordinarily bad-mannered (and badly written) message. Perhaps Mr Athersmith's attitude runs through the whole club – Rushall came to Banbury two seasons ago for a Southern League cup match and put on a display of crude tactics and persistent, foul-mouthed dissent that almost defied belief and incensed the home supporters. They lost, appropriately to a free-kick awarded for an unnecessary foul. Oh, how we laughed....

I've always found the people at Rushall to be nice and friendly, but letters like that will do them no favours.



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Sorry, but Tony says quite clearly at http://www.tonykempster.co.uk/maps08-09.htm
"The maps and lists below are based on the following assumptions and are my guess at what it could look like. The final decision will be made by the FA Leagues committee after the end of the season"
If people, including the then secretary of the Southern League, take it as gospel, then that is their fault. I also believe that Tony himself has no sense of power or authority when he makes these guesses, but just enjoys sensible speculation and provides a platform for discussion for like-minded people. This makes this one of the best football sites around.


Absolutely right Phil. Too many people read bits as suits them. Even if it does start rumours there's no harm in it.



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I've always found the people at Rushall to be nice and friendly, but letters like that will do them no favours.


I'm sure the gatemen, barmen, tea-ladies etc are lovely people but when a club plays away, home supporters judge it by the behaviour of its players. Their tactics are determined by the manager and he is appointed by the club.


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It doesn't influence the Southern League, though, does it?! I remember Strudwick's dreadful announcement on the Southern League site season before last.


I missed that, Phil.


Here's a link to the thread that discussed it (two years ago):-

http://www.nlpl.co.uk/..._latest_reply;so=ASC


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I've always found the people at Rushall to be nice and friendly, but letters like that will do them no favours.


I'm sure the gatemen, barmen, tea-ladies etc are lovely people but when a club plays away, home supporters judge it by the behaviour of its players. Their tactics are determined by the manager and he is appointed by the club.


All I would say is don't be too hasty and judge a club on one game. My experiences with Rushall Olympic over 20 years of regular meetings have always been good both on and off the field.

I know who Peter Athersmith is (though I doubt he would know me by my name) and was surprised at the tone of his letter to Tony K. Perhaps he was having a bad day.

Cheers for the link, btw! Smile



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All I would say is don't be too hasty and judge a club on one game.


But people will. If your only contact with a club is when they visit you and play like bar-room brawlers on speed, you're not going to get a very good impression. I certainly wouldn't make excuses for my team if they did that, but they wouldn't because they're much too nice!Smile


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What an extraordinarily bad-mannered (and badly written) message. Perhaps Mr Athersmith's attitude runs through the whole club – Rushall came to Banbury two seasons ago for a Southern League cup match and put on a display of crude tactics and persistent, foul-mouthed dissent that almost defied belief and incensed the home supporters. They lost, appropriately to a free-kick awarded for an unnecessary foul. Oh, how we laughed. One Banbury supporter suggested to a pop-eyed, veins-bulging Rushall defender that if his team were engaged in pimping or gun-running, it might be considered a more reputable activity than their football.



Well, they're not the greatest team to follow, no wonder they don't get many watching them! They seem to always be more bothered about where they are compared to Chasetown than worrying about their own club.

I had to laugh at the idea of them being "putting them in the Unibond" by a suggestion on a website. The clubs in that area have made it clear that they do not want to move on their own - it's all, or not at all. These are the same clubs that he is moaning about you seperating them!



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His reply to my letter suggesting that he moderates his tone was


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I was unsure what you meant about moderate my language so i checked it out in the dictionary and it means "Not extreme or unreasonable." I don't think i was either of them in the e-mail i sent to you, i don't think you understand the implications of the ideas you put on your website. It just makes other people start thinking and before you know it you are forced to do something thats not good for your club. Everybody around this area is fed up with you and saying that you are doing none of us any favours with these what we believe are stupid ideas you keep coming up with. All the teams in this area think that the F.A. have finaly almost got it right. Why don't you wait till the constitution of the leagues are confirmed instead of assuming this and that. I have no more to say on this matter other than if the Uni-Bond hav'nt got enough teams in their area to form an extra division then they should not take teams from other leagues just to make the numbers up.


My reply to this was. I await his further response or anyone else's suggestion of ways this can be solved while keeping within the rules.

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I agree with your views that there should be enough teams in the Northern Premier footprint to feed into that league. Sadly though, each league sets its own rules and the FA cannot tell leagues in the north to release clubs in the same way they cannot enforce the southern league to release teams. All they can do is suggest and encourage.

What I have tried to do during the season and now is present different ideas for solving this problem so that all of them can be debated. I have no influence with the FA or any other footballing authority. I am just an interested individual trying to engender debate. And this is what I have done with people for and against the various scenarios I have presented. When I have presented the various scenarios of what could happen, people become aware of the possibilities and put forward their own view – which you, and others have done.

What I am not putting forward are proposals as to what should happen – that would be far too presumptuous. As it says on the relevant page on my site. “The maps and lists below are based on the following assumptions and are my guess at what it could look like. The final decision will be made by the FA Leagues committee after the end of the season”
Let’s have a look at the problem that is facing the administrators. The rules for promotion and relegation have to be adhered to otherwise the decision makers leave themselves open to appeal on very valid grounds which would undoubtedly be upheld.

The rules state that for this season, 2 clubs will be relegated from SL1SW, IL1S and IL1N plus one club will be relegated from SL1M, NP1N and NP1S. So there are a total of 9 teams relegated from step 4 to step 5. The FA have also promised that the NP1s will operate with at least 20 clubs in each division. The NPP and SL1M are operating with only 21 clubs and need to be at 22 so they are equitable with the other divisions at their step. So if 9 are to be relegated, we need to find 15 clubs to be promoted to create the net extra 6 clubs.

The rules also state that the step 5 champion clubs who have passed the ground grading will be promoted. There are 12 of these from the 14 step 5 leagues. This leaves us 3 clubs short of making up the numbers. The only way this can be achieved is by promoting 2nd placed clubs in the step 5 leagues or offering reprieves to step 4 relegated clubs. As the numbers need to be increased in the north, these teams should come from the NPL footprint either by reprieving teams or allowing 2nd placed clubs to be promoted.

So we have provided these 3 extra teams and when you do the sums you find that the NPL footprint has 38 clubs and the SL footprint has 46. The first solution would be to transfer 2 clubs from SL footprint to NPL footprint – this is the 1st scenario shown on my site at http://www.tonykempster.co.uk/maps08-09.htm to which you and the other clubs NW of Birmingham are so opposed.

The 2nd scenario shown on the page would be to increase the NP1s to 22 clubs for next season. This could be achieved by transferring all the clubs in and around you from the SL to the NPL in one go and reprieving one club in each of the SL and IL div 1s. So, in the 2nd option, Atherstone, Chasetown, Romulus, Rushall, Sutton Coldfield and Willenhall would all transfer together.

These are two alternatives. What other ways do you see of solving the problem and keeping within the rules, particularly not promoting a 2nd placed club in a step 5 division ahead of a step 5 champion and also not promoting a team from step 5 which has not achieved the ground grading or not finished in the top two.

I look forward to continuing this debate and hearing your alternative solutions to the problem.




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His reply to my letter suggesting that he moderates his tone was


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I was unsure what you meant about moderate my language so i checked it out in the dictionary and it means "Not extreme or unreasonable." Which according to my limited intelligence gives me the right to call you an idiot


And the sign off of the original email..

Yous
Pete Athersmith
(Secretary Rushall Olympic)

A scouser obviously!!




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Will he be able to cope with all that detail, Tony?!

This is developing into one of the most entertaining threads since...well, since...since the last entertaining thread.


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CrazyWow !

What an ignorant lambast !

Not only does he not bother to read all of the qualifying information required to inform his comments, he is rude, has shocking spelling, grammar and syntax.

This missal is poor Primary School standard and if my ten-year old were to craft an homework of the equivalent standard - when I checked it, it would be ripped up and she'd be told to start afresh ! Shocking !


...presumably, it was written in red wax crayon ??? Wink



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Well if you think that's bad I don't think you'd want to see some of his posts on various club and league forums in the Midlands area Wink



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Awww has Tony upset some chump at Wusshall? Diddums.I can not believe the guy wrote

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Everybody around this area is fed up with you and saying that you are doing none of us any favours with these what we believe are stupid ideas you keep coming up with."


How is this chap privy to what other clubs think and how other clubs feel about moving leagues? I know of at least one chairman who was asking about what the standard of football was like in the Unibond division one and what teams his club would likely to be placed with should the club move. It's just a pity the clubs in and around Birmingham can't all move to the Unibond en masse and not informing The Pics. I for one wouldn't mind if it meant i didn't have to visit Dales Lane again.
As a follower of Willenhall Town, some 8 miles from Wusshall i can hand on heart say that there is at least one person who isn't fed up with Tony and the time and effort he puts in to peice together how he thinks the leagues could look like next season. Keep up the good work Tony.



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I've always quite liked Rushall, but P.A. has let himself and his club down on this occasion with his rude and condescending letters to T.K.

What a dipstick.



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What an extraordinarily bad-mannered (and badly written) message. Perhaps Mr Athersmith's attitude runs through the whole club – Rushall came to Banbury two seasons ago for a Southern League cup match and put on a display of crude tactics and persistent, foul-mouthed dissent that almost defied belief and incensed the home supporters. They lost, appropriately to a free-kick awarded for an unnecessary foul. Oh, how we laughed. One Banbury supporter suggested to a pop-eyed, veins-bulging Rushall defender that if his team were engaged in pimping or gun-running, it might be considered a more reputable activity than their football.



Well, they're not the greatest team to follow, no wonder they don't get many watching them! They seem to always be more bothered about where they are compared to Chasetown than worrying about their own club.

I had to laugh at the idea of them being "putting them in the Unibond" by a suggestion on a website. The clubs in that area have made it clear that they do not want to move on their own - it's all, or not at all. These are the same clubs that he is moaning about you seperating them!


Ironically, the list that Tony's put up "moving" Rushall to the NPL also shows Willenhall, Chasetown and the two Sutton Coldfield clubs moving as well - apart from the Worcestershire clubs that's all the clubs he mentioned! Plus Atherstone's not exactly a million miles away (21 according to AA routeplanner) and Kidgsrove's less than the 45 mile radius he goes on about as well! And Loughborough and Quorn they'll have faced in the MFA (one level below!)

In fact, on Tony's list the longest away trip would be to Brigg Town which is about the same distance away as Chesham which was this year's longest journey!

Sheesh.



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His reply to my letter suggesting that he moderates his tone was


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I was unsure what you meant about moderate my language so i checked it out in the dictionary and it means "Not extreme or unreasonable." I don't think i was either of them in the e-mail i sent to you, i don't think you understand the implications of the ideas you put on your website. It just makes other people start thinking...



...and that will never do.

What prominent political figures from the1930s does that phrase sound reminiscent of?





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What an ebsolute plonker.

Cannot believe he wrote to Tony in this manner. Tony is free to put what he has put on his site! What an ignorant man!

He's also not done his homework as, going on previous form, the FA can, and will if they want, move Rushall whether they like it or not. My club (Salisbury City) fierecly disagreed with the FA's announcement that we'd be transferring to the Isthmian League a few seasons ago and even appealed it vigorously. It was to no avail and we spent 1 season there before the FA sent us back to the SL (again we appealed against it with no luck).

I believe there's been a few appeals, I'm sure Sittingbourne (or was it Leatherhead?) appealed at the same time as Salisbury - they were scheduled to start in the SL but due to a resignation late on they were forced into the Isthmian League (where they remain).

And he bangs on about losing all those derbies, if he had half a brain he'd see most of the clubs he's just listed in his rant would actully be moving to the Unibond with Rushall, if Tony's idea was implemented.

Rushall always have the alternative to resign and re-apply to the Midland Alliance if they don't like it!

I like Tony's idea for 2x22 in the Unibond Ones next season and see no reason why he shouldnt suggest it.

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