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007Dale
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Very vague mutterings from UEFA about a third competition on top of CL and EL. They claim an increase in the number of places available from 80 to 96.

Currently CL is 32 and EL is 48 at the group stage. One assumes this will result in a reduction of the EL to 32 teams and each tournament will be the same size.

However, as with any change, you’ve got to fear for the smaller countries involvement.

96 would also allow the big 5 leagues to have all but 2 of their teams in Europe. Just saying...


Tykeoldboy
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This will go one of two ways. Either a competition for lower ranked nations/clubs and streamlining the CL and EL or a competition for the top ranked clubs, something like a European Super League, and streamlining the CL and EL. Either way the smaller nations/clubs are going to get shafted.

If UEFA want to run 3 club competitions then how about this for an idea. A Champions Cup for national champions, A Cup Winners Cup for national cup winners and a third competition, let's call it the UEFA Cup for clubs finishing in the top 3 or 4 places in their domestic leagues? All games being a 2 legged knockout and a one match final for each competition. I know this is a radical idea but it might work.


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This will go one of two ways. Either a competition for lower ranked nations/clubs and streamlining the CL and EL or a competition for the top ranked clubs, something like a European Super League, and streamlining the CL and EL. Either way the smaller nations/clubs are going to get shafted.

If UEFA want to run 3 club competitions then how about this for an idea. A Champions Cup for national champions, A Cup Winners Cup for national cup winners and a third competition, let's call it the UEFA Cup for clubs finishing in the top 3 or 4 places in their domestic leagues? All games being a 2 legged knockout and a one match final for each competition. I know this is a radical idea but it might work.


Now that idea is just too stupid!!Laugh
Uefa arent interested in what the fans want and would rather keep the mundane group matches for champions and Europa leagues ensuring the rich clubs just get Richer.

Oh boy if only we could go back to the good old days of straight knockout with one club from each nation in each competition.



I need to have the last word as it makes it look as if i'm always right!


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My prediction is that more places will be offered to the 'top' clubs in the CL, perhaps by having the last 16 automatically qualify, or the top 10 over the past seasons not already qualified, or something.

The CL and EL will remain the top two tiers with a 3rd tier being used as a bridge between continental and domestic football. The highest X teams from each country not already in the European setup enter this 3rd tournament.

This would be similar to the setup in Brazil, where the highest teams in each state championship not already involved in the national leagues qualify for Serie D each season. Serie D is a league in name only, like the CL or EL, and acts as a bridge which allows teams to progress from state competition to national.


knmeynell
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My prediction is that more places will be offered to the 'top' clubs in the CL, perhaps by having the last 16 automatically qualify, or the top 10 over the past seasons not already qualified, or something.


I'd simply run the UCL as a competition with a permanent membership of 16-32 clubs, but use the UEL as a qualifying competition. A certain number of UCL teams could be relegated and replaced by UEL qualifiers, or alternatively play off against these teams for the right to play in the UCL next season.

National leagues would qualify teams for the UEL on a similar basis to now, obviously excluding any teams already in the UCL. Teams relegated out of the UCL would probably also need to be given automatic entry to the UEL the following season as it would be unfair on other teams in the same national league who were chasing UEL places, and the 'relegated' teams would also need to know in advance what they'd need to do in their national leagues to re-qualify.

At least then it would satisfy the desires of the big clubs and major national leagues to have regular European competition, but it would at least be based on some sort of meritocracy rather than self-selecting or otherwise contrived criteria.


BDA_85
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It would also mean some games could be played in the USA.


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My prediction is that more places will be offered to the 'top' clubs in the CL, perhaps by having the last 16 automatically qualify, or the top 10 over the past seasons not already qualified, or something.


I'd simply run the UCL as a competition with a permanent membership of 16-32 clubs, but use the UEL as a qualifying competition. A certain number of UCL teams could be relegated and replaced by UEL qualifiers, or alternatively play off against these teams for the right to play in the UCL next season.

National leagues would qualify teams for the UEL on a similar basis to now, obviously excluding any teams already in the UCL. Teams relegated out of the UCL would probably also need to be given automatic entry to the UEL the following season as it would be unfair on other teams in the same national league who were chasing UEL places, and the 'relegated' teams would also need to know in advance what they'd need to do in their national leagues to re-qualify.

At least then it would satisfy the desires of the big clubs and major national leagues to have regular European competition, but it would at least be based on some sort of meritocracy rather than self-selecting or otherwise contrived criteria.


What you're proposing is a European Super League but with relegation?


knmeynell
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What you're proposing is a European Super League but with relegation?


A Super League in parallel with national league competitions, but the UCL is heading that way in practice anyway.


007Dale
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I did have some thoughts as to how a super league could operate alongside the domestic leagues.

Possibly with 8 groups of 6 (the extra four group games could be accommodated from from the August play-off round and reducing the round of 16 to two game weeks from four).

Therefore 48 teams over 8 groups with the bottom 2 in each group relegated. The top 2 qualifying for the round of 16.

Promotion to the Super League could be achieved through two ways:
1. The top eight leagues promote their highest non-qualified team.
2. The eight quarter-finalists of the Europa League are Promoted.

Some form of cap would be needed so that no-more than eight teams from one country can be in the super league - this might mean, no promotion from the national league if your outside the top 4/5/6 or relegating the worst performing team in super league, even if not in the bottom 2 - i’m Sure UEFA could come up with some convoluted system.

You may eventually then be looking at a super league membership something like;
1. Man Utd
2. Man City
3. Liverpool
4. Everton
5. Arsenal
6. Tottenham
7. Chelsea
8. Leicester City
9. Barcelona
10. Real Madrid
11. Atletico Madrid
12. Valencia
13. Sevilla
14. Real Sociedad
15. Bayern Munich
16. Borussia Dortmund
17. Schalke
18. Hoffenheim
19. RB Leipzig
18. Borussia monchengladbach
19. Werder Bremen
20. Hertha Berlin
21. Juventus
22. Napoli
23. Roma
24. Lazio
25. Inter Milan
26. AC Milan
27. Sampdoria
28. Fiorentina
29. PSG
30. Monaco
31. Lyon
32. Marseille
33. Ajax
34. PSV Eindhoven
35. Benfica
36. Porto
37. Sporting Lisbon
38. Zenit St Petersburg
39. CSKA Moscow
40. Shakhtar Donetsk
41. Dynamo Kiev
42. Celtic
43. Rangers
44. Galatasary
45. Besiktas
46. Olympiacos
47. Anderlecht
48. Red Star Belgrade


BDA_85
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Sorry, the USA comment was merely an observation, not a recommendation!


hawkwind
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Comparing your list with current club rankings:

Of your proposed 50 clubs 14 are currently outside the top 50 ranked clubs:
Everton 77
Leicester City 65
Valencia 70+
Real Sociedad 76
Hoffenheim 99+
RB Leipzig 67+
Werder Bremen NC
Hertha Berlin 101
Inter Milan 57+
AC Milan 78+
Sampdoria 93
Rangers 231+
Galatasary 66+
Red Star Belgrade 84+

Those of the top 50 that you have excluded are:
24+ Villarreal
25 Basel 1893
26+ Bayer Leverkusen
30 Athletic Bilbao
34+ Salzburg
35 Wolfsburg
38 Sparta Praha
41+ Club Brugge
42 Sporting Braga
44+ København
45 Gent
48+ Krasnodar
49+ Viktoria Plzen
50+ Lokomotiv Moskva

NB: + still in European competition this season - ranking could improve


007Dale
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More on this released yesterday;

Europa League group stage reduces to 32. Only teams from top 15 leagues will enter this from 2021.

Europa League 2 will follow the same format but contains only 1 team from the top leagues with the majority being from leagued outside top 15.

Depending on how Scottish teams perform between now and then, they may well drop to the EL2.

Champions League unafffected.


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The access list for 2020-21 is now on Uefa.com. This is based on this seasons country ranking which means that Northern Ireland in 52nd place only have 2 teams in Europa League 2. There is no preliminary round as well.


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