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Mishi
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No, because, regardless of whether you believe your viewpoint is right or not, one side will be right, and one wrong, when it comes to gay marriage and gay rights.

I happen to believe that I am right. and those who wish to interfere how people wish to live their lives ARE bigoted. The fact that bigotry is under the cloak of religious belief, or 'old fashioned values' means nothing to me. It is still bigotry.



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A nice post Punk. Not for the first time either.

I should like to clarify that while I might firmly disagree with some people on here I don't generally wish them ill. I use the word 'bigot' specifically - not just as a form of insult. A bigot is someone who is believes that people who are different from them are less worthy. If I called someone an 'idiot' that would be rather more subjective, as it means little aside from being a personal criticism.

I should also like to say, having spent the afternoon in the pub watching the cricket and GAA (London in the Connacht final) I would be delighted to buy you all a drink and then tell you why I'm right about everything...

Finally, as Punk says at the end, I'd rather someone tell me what they think of me than smile all over the place while thinking I'm a ****. I prefer to tell people when I don't like what they have to say, and let them answer, rather than simply dislike them and keep quiet.

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Anyone prepared to buy me a drink can call me what they like. I'll echo the sentiment. And pile my toys back in the pram.

Anyway, with another wildly memorable sporting summer, I'm now listening to Radio 5 and cheering home Chris Froome & co. Cool And happily hypocritical, tomorrow morning I'll, as usual, be cursing anyone on a bike I encounter on the drive to work.

I didn't think I'd ever see a Brit win the Tour and now ...Cool People locally have already been talking about where they're going to camp out to get a good position on the route in Sth Yorks next year.


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I'd buy you more than one drink if you help drag me up Alp d'Huez twice in one day.... Shocked



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I didn't think I'd ever see a Brit win the Tour and now ...Cool People locally have already been talking about where they're going to camp out to get a good position on the route in Sth Yorks next year.



I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, I'd love to "experience" the tour but all that most spectators will see will be a very brief flash of a few, then lots of, riders hurtling past and your sporting day is over in a couple of minutes. The best way to view is undoubtedly by tuning into ITV4's daily magazine programme which is delivered excellently by a knowledgeable and likeable team, but the chance to be there............
Just in case, I've got my Borat mankini at the ready to run pointlessly up the road after the leaders before being squashed by one of the race cars.
Camping (anywhere) doesn't enter the equation and no doubt most accomodation will either have gone already and/or tripled in price. A quandary.......
And yes, cyclists are a bloody menace on the road Wink

Oh, and things I cannot stand - those pillocks wearing fancy-dress who run pointlessly in the middle of the road during the stagesCool


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On flat stages it would be easy to sit in your camper van and watch proceedings on a lap top
via Eurosportgo.

With you re the nutters on the side of the road but that has been the case long before cycling became
flavour of the month last year.

Not a cyclist myself but got into it about ten years ago and been following le Tour, Vuelta and Giro
ever since.



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All but a dozen or so programs on TV.


Brits who use US spelling Wink. Oh, and the word "Brits".


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All but a dozen or so programs on TV.


Brits who use US spelling Wink. Oh, and the word "Brits".



I sat on the steps of the Bastiile Opera House to watch the last stage in 2000 - they went round a circuit a couple of times IIRC. how we all cheered that inspiring hero Lance Armstrong with his Texan flag...


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Someone mentioned PayDay loan companies earlier in the thread - there's one thing that would
have them crawling back under a rock....

Pay everybody weekly - simples.



Play-off programmes wanted: 2004 Basingstoke v Lewes. 2005 Droylsden v Kettering, Maldon v Barking, Maldon v Uxbridge. 2006 Brackley v Marlow, Kendal v Stocksbridge. 2007 Paulton v Taunton, Tooting v Hastings. 2008 Didcot v Oxford City, Tooting v Worthing, Sheffield v Stocksbridge. 2009 East Thurrock v Concord, Ilkeston v Kendal, Nantwich v Guiseley, Stocksbridge v Carlton. 2014 Tiverton v Paulton. 2015 Darlington v Bamber Bridge.

FA Vase semis wanted: 1978 Barton v Hungerford. 2001 Taunton v Clitheroe.


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pc plotlines in soap operas.

People who talk about soap opera characters as though they're real people. They're not. They really, really, really are not. Tongue

Anyone taking part in, watching or, by far the worst of all, discussing Big Brother Frown And why do people vote to evict the inmates? Can't we have the right, for the greater good, to vote to keep them locked away? Cool


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Something that didn't even exist when this thread was last posted on...

Dockless street hire-bikes

...of which about 1,300 have sprung up in Oxford since last September http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/...ver-dockless-scheme/, and thousands more in Cambridge, Sheffield, Manchester, Newcastle, London and other places. Last Sunday, I counted 95 of them between my local supermarket and my front door - a distance of just over 200 metres (and that's not including the ones that have been thrown in the river). I wonder how many are stacked up outside Acmold's house?

If they were being used by people to get to/from work/railway station/shops/Kassam/Court Place Farm, I wouldn't mind so much. But just about everyone I see using these bikes seems to be a tourist flouncing around like a character in Brideshead Revisited, who then dumps the bike in the middle of the pavement or somewhere else inconvenient. They're bloody ugly, they're made from cheap materials, they seem to be dumped all over the place with a real lack of respect for the environment, and they're coming to a town near you. The idea looks great on paper, by the reality is a right nightmare.


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I wonder how many are stacked up outside Acmold's house?


Would they not have slipped down the steep uncut grass bank into the road?


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The Sheffield scheme lasted all of six months.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/...-sheffield-1-9239303

Local yobboes delighted in dumping and wrecking them. Who would have thought it? Crazy

The Councillor responsible for Transport & Development is quoted describing the scheme in Sheffield as a "great success"

About as successful as United's start to the new season.


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Something that didn't even exist when this thread was last posted on...

Dockless street hire-bikes

...of which about 1,300 have sprung up in Oxford since last September http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/...ver-dockless-scheme/, and thousands more in Cambridge, Sheffield, Manchester, Newcastle, London and other places. Last Sunday, I counted 95 of them between my local supermarket and my front door - a distance of just over 200 metres (and that's not including the ones that have been thrown in the river). I wonder how many are stacked up outside Acmold's house?

If they were being used by people to get to/from work/railway station/shops/Kassam/Court Place Farm, I wouldn't mind so much. But just about everyone I see using these bikes seems to be a tourist flouncing around like a character in Brideshead Revisited, who then dumps the bike in the middle of the pavement or somewhere else inconvenient. They're bloody ugly, they're made from cheap materials, they seem to be dumped all over the place with a real lack of respect for the environment, and they're coming to a town near you. The idea looks great on paper, by the reality is a right nightmare.


IMO, these types of schemes will only work in well ordered societies, where consideration for others is ingrained into the general public (i.e not here).

I caught a bunch of kids nicking Ofo bikes on my estate (they were in the process of smashing off the locks) and reported them to the police. To my amazement, the police called back half an hour later to say they'd caught them.


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Something that didn't even exist when this thread was last posted on...

Dockless street hire-bikes

...of which about 1,300 have sprung up in Oxford since last September http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/...ver-dockless-scheme/, and thousands more in Cambridge, Sheffield, Manchester, Newcastle, London and other places. Last Sunday, I counted 95 of them between my local supermarket and my front door - a distance of just over 200 metres (and that's not including the ones that have been thrown in the river). I wonder how many are stacked up outside Acmold's house?

If they were being used by people to get to/from work/railway station/shops/Kassam/Court Place Farm, I wouldn't mind so much. But just about everyone I see using these bikes seems to be a tourist flouncing around like a character in Brideshead Revisited, who then dumps the bike in the middle of the pavement or somewhere else inconvenient. They're bloody ugly, they're made from cheap materials, they seem to be dumped all over the place with a real lack of respect for the environment, and they're coming to a town near you. The idea looks great on paper, by the reality is a right nightmare.


It appears that these things ain't as popular with the general public as I initially thought...

The dockless bike hire company OfO last month pulled out of Leeds, Sheffield and Norwich - they blame excessive vandalism of the bikes, though I'm guessing it's so much easier to point the finger at the feral yoot' of Norfolk than it is at your highly-paid CEO for coming up with another piss-poor business plan. But hey-ho. Unfortunately, OfO are committed to continuing in Cambridge and Oxford, going some way to proving one of my previous points that these schemes are more aimed at the tourist market than they are on lessening congestion in the sorts of places that normal people live.

Somewhere where vandalism apparently is a serious problem is Manchester, where the company Mobike are threating to pull out of the city...

https://www.theguardian.com/...ll-out-of-manchester

...due to 10% of their bikes going missing or being vandalised EVERY MONTH! Many bikes end up thrown in the city's canals.

I personally have always got rather angry about wanton vandalism, especially when it's aimed at things that you'd think of as a public service. But I do think that there's something else going on with the damage being aimed at these bikes. Bicycles have always been lobbed into canals ever since canals/bicycles were invented, but I can't help thinking that there is a certain degree of anger being aimed specifically at these dockless hire bike - in Oxford in the form of grumbling and tutting, and in Manchester in a much more physical direct-action manner. And despite my previous statement about hating vandalism, I can't help but in some way admire the way that famous Manc attitude is showing itself in this case.

A spokesman for Mobike says in The Guardian that there will always be anti-social no-go areas where their bikes will be damaged in all cities, but that these places in Manchester are much closer to the city centre. (What he's really saying is that the sorts of people he doesn't want riding his bikes are living in neighbourhoods rather too close to the tourist hubs he wants to milk - the inconsiderate bastards!) With most of Mobike's tourist honeypots in the city being in Manchester city centre and Salford Quays, I'm guessing he's aiming his ire at the poorer people who live in the area inbetween, in the estates in Ordsall - the people of Ordsall have long been priced out going to watch football at Old Trafford, and I'm sure that much of glitzy Salford Quays is either physically or metaphorically out-of-bounds to them, so it's no surprise that they're not made to feel included in a garishly-coloured bike scheme that is rammed down their throats for the benefit of tourists. So much for the bicycle being the transport of the common man!

And Mobike are certainly not an innocent party in Manchester. The article says:

"The firm has a high turnover of employees and contractors and a reputation as a tardy payer. In April the local firm contracted to repair the bikes and redistribute them around the city locked Mobike out of its bike shed for a week until its invoices were settled."

Mobike will decide whether or not to pull out of Manchester (and out of Gateshead, too) at the end of the month. I will be watching with interest.

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Last Sunday, I counted 95 of them between my local supermarket and my front door - a distance of just over 200 metres.


...so last weekend before heading to Harwich & Parkeston FC, I got TheWavendonian to do his own independent count. He counted 105 of them lined up on the same length of pavement.


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Something that didn't even exist when this thread was last posted on...

Dockless street hire-bikes

...of which about 1,300 have sprung up in Oxford since last September http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/...ver-dockless-scheme/, and thousands more in Cambridge, Sheffield, Manchester, Newcastle, London and other places. Last Sunday, I counted 95 of them between my local supermarket and my front door - a distance of just over 200 metres (and that's not including the ones that have been thrown in the river). I wonder how many are stacked up outside Acmold's house?

If they were being used by people to get to/from work/railway station/shops/Kassam/Court Place Farm, I wouldn't mind so much. But just about everyone I see using these bikes seems to be a tourist flouncing around like a character in Brideshead Revisited, who then dumps the bike in the middle of the pavement or somewhere else inconvenient. They're bloody ugly, they're made from cheap materials, they seem to be dumped all over the place with a real lack of respect for the environment, and they're coming to a town near you. The idea looks great on paper, by the reality is a right nightmare.


Further proof that these schemes are all about making money from well-off tourists and nothing to do with helping normal residents with transport and reducing traffic congestion...

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/...ue-to-complications/

...with the Chinese OfO dockless bike company 're-evaluating its service area' in Oxford. The wealthy residential areas of the city centre, Park Towm, Jericho, Summerstown and the hipster-heavy enclave of Cowley Road all get to keep the right to pick up and deposit these bicycles. However, the parts of Oxford where most regular residents live - like the far end of Cowley Road, Cowley (excepting the shopping centre), Headington, Blackbird Leys, Botley, Barton, Marston, Rose Hill and most other places, especially in the south and east of the city, now cannot on the whole use the system. Brookes students can use the bikes, but those working at the JR Hospital or the car factory cannot. Most Oxford tourists using these bikes won't be hindered, but most Oxford council tax payers have had all the practical uses taken away from them.


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Sure - up to a point. I've no personal experience in such cycling schemes as I don't live in places where they run.

But if it's agreed that such schemes are, in essence, a good thing, surely the providers of them must be allowed to use commercial sense to only continue to supply their products in areas where they can be respected not trashed.

So just as those who live in dodgier areas suffer from higher insurance premiums and fewer late-night bus services than those who live in leafier climes, so it's not unreasonable to expect the cycle scheme operators to place their wares in advantageous places.

It would be nice to think that everyone could respect such a scheme and so hugely cut back on traffic : but it seems that some can't so surely the logical thing to do is to target the scheme where it will be effective and cut back traffic a bit.

And hipsters and rich folk are tax payers and 'normal residents' too.


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The royal family and their weddings which are costing us a fortune. How many poor people could have had a decent lunch with today's wasted street trip?


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The royal family and their weddings which are costing us a fortune. How many poor people could have had a decent lunch with today's wasted street trip?


And what makes you think that is popular?



I need to have the last word as it makes it look as if i'm always right!


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What? Feeding the poor and homeless?


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Feeding them can't be that popular otherwise they wouldn't be poor/homeless.

Love the 'Royals' - bring in millions indirectly to the country's coffers
each year and well worth the expense - when you consider what
alternatives there are.

Remember some great stories re Fergie (MoB) back in my Fleet Street
days - I'm sure they will be leaked at some stage in the future Smile



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FA Vase semis wanted: 1978 Barton v Hungerford. 2001 Taunton v Clitheroe.


FA Trophy programmes wanted: 1969-70 Any round from first season. Have many but plenty of gaps still to fill.


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Feeding them can't be that popular otherwise they wouldn't be poor/homeless.

Love the 'Royals' - bring in millions indirectly to the country's coffers
each year


How?


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What? Feeding the poor and homeless?


Think you misunderstood meant the opposite the Royal wedding not being popular.



I need to have the last word as it makes it look as if i'm always right!


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Feeding them can't be that popular otherwise they wouldn't be poor/homeless.

Love the 'Royals' - bring in millions indirectly to the country's coffers
each year and well worth the expense - when you consider what
alternatives there are.

Remember some great stories re Fergie (MoB) back in my Fleet Street
days - I'm sure they will be leaked at some stage in the future Smile


Thats a lod of BS about the royals bringing in millions. Just look at top visited tourist attractions in London for 2017 and the closest is The Tower of London coming in 9th place. Buckingham palace and Windsor Castle is absolutely Nowhere. Even Somerset House gets more overseas visits then any so called royal attraction.

Edit. A word of warning, even if the above was true which it isn't, the UK tourism industry is going to take a big hit after Brexit. Many EU visitors will just not want the hassle of travelling to the UK when they will not be made welcome and will have the obvious freedom of movement to travel to any of the other 27 Eu countries.



I need to have the last word as it makes it look as if i'm always right!

(This post was edited by Towlawtom on Oct 13, 2018, 2:55 PM)


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Feeding them can't be that popular otherwise they wouldn't be poor/homeless.

Love the 'Royals' - bring in millions indirectly to the country's coffers
each year and well worth the expense - when you consider what
alternatives there are.

Remember some great stories re Fergie (MoB) back in my Fleet Street
days - I'm sure they will be leaked at some stage in the future Smile


Thats a lod of BS about the royals bringing in millions. Just look at top visited tourist attractions in London for 2017 and the closest is The Tower of London coming in 9th place. Buckingham palace and Windsor Castle is absolutely Nowhere. Even Somerset House gets more overseas visits then any so called royal attraction.

Edit. A word of warning, even if the above was true which it isn't, the UK tourism industry is going to take a big hit after Brexit. Many EU visitors will just not want the hassle of travelling to the UK when they will not be made welcome and will have the obvious freedom of movement to travel to any of the other 27 Eu countries.


France wisely got rid of its royal parasites and Paris seems to do not too badly from those choosing to visit the city and its environs in order to see its ex-royal buildings, gardens and parks.

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