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oftenscore6
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Nov 19, 2019, 3:38 PM
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I think I'd read somewhere that the 1st April redraw was only if the playoff winner was a host to decide whether they play at home to the other host or away. For example, if Scotland won the playoff, whether their game v England would be at Hampden or Wembley - the other group game being switched to whichever that is not at.
It's theoretical, because if Hungary qualify tonight, then there are only 3 hosts in the playoffs so can be split into A, B and C playoff pots. Could be interesting how they decide which pot B and C sides are moved (except those who won their Nations League group who know which group). I think pot B would contain 4 of the 5 unqualified 2nd level nations League teams, but if the 4th/5th ranked teams (Ireland or N Ireland) are moved, they go from having an away single leg trip to getting a home one against a group C team, with a one-off final v Iceland or a group C team being drawn. I expect they'd be very happy with that - whilst Slovakia, ranked higher (in Nations league) would face an away single leg trip to Wales in the semis - a much tougher route. It feels fair would be that Slovakia move to pot A. In this instance, I'd expect Romania to be moved to pot A also, with the pot A playoff winner being preselected into finals group C (hosted in Netherlands and Romania), with pot B going to group E (Spain/Ireland) and pot C in group D (England/Scotland). Hungary would be preselected into group F, and the restriction re Kosovo/Russia could mean pot D goes to group A (Italy/Azerbaijan). So Finland could be left as the only possibility for group B.
Should Hungary miss out, there'll be 4 pot B teams, so I think that means that will be one pot and preselected to be in group E (Spain/Ireland). At least one of Romania and Hungary would move to playoff pot A as 1 of 3 pot C teams. Simplest is probably that pot D is allocated either group C or F in finals, depending on whether Romania or Hungary are the 2nd host in a playoff pot. If they go out, fine, no problem. If they qualify, then pot D playoff switches to the group host of the playoff group Romania/Hungary were in, who must have gone out. That doesn't inconvenience a qualified team as it's only swapping over 2 playoff winners. That could be announced at the outset, so the playoff teams know what will happen beforehand. But perhaps this is not allowed and Hungary would have to play outside their country if they qualified, whilst hosting others.
I think I also read that the Ukraine/Russia restriction is only for the group games, but maybe I imagined it, will have another looks sometime.
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oftenscore6
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Nov 20, 2019, 1:16 AM
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I've re-read the rules.
The restrictions are only group stage so Ukraine can play in Russia later in the competition. It's clear Belgium will be drawn in group B though as a result, and Ukraine will be in group C.
There is no restriction re Kosovo and Russia, Kosovo's prohibited opponents are Bosnia and Serbia - not a problem as they are guaranteed in different play off pots anyway.
Also, the scenarios Uefa have provided confirm that pot B will be the 4 non-qualified Nations League B teams. They also confirm that whilst the 3 Nations League group winners will not be moved, it's an open draw regarding which 3 of the Nations League runners up move to pot A - first out of the hat stay in pot C. I think the Emergency Panel would have mandated that Romania if they had been the only host but there's no need now - either 2 hosts will be in pot C or pot A.
All groups with 2 qualified hosts will have a draw to determine where the game between them will be. This draw may be after the playoff final when a host is in the playoffs.
I think the Emergency Panel will intervene and preselect pot D playoff winners to either group C or group F, wherever the lower placed host (Hungary or Romania) in the 2 host playoff pot is, on a provisional basis, subject to swap if that team wins the playoff - potentially to group D.
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007Dale
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Nov 20, 2019, 5:37 AM
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This is where we stand:
Group A:
1. Italy
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4. Wales, Finland or PO Path D
Group B:
1. Belgium
2. Russia
3. Denmark
4. Wales or Finland
Group C:
1. Ukraine
2. Holland
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4. PO Path B
Group D:
1. England
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4. PO Path C (may need to swap)
Group E:
1. Spain
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4. *
Group F:
1. Germany
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3.
4. *
* P.O. Path A will be drawn into Group E or F depending on whether Romania and / or Hungary are drawn into PO Path A. The other place is taken by Wales, Finland or PO Path D.
Remaining Pots:
Rank 2:
- France
- Poland
- Switzerland
- Croatia
Rank 3:
- Portugal
- Turkey
- Austria
- Sweden
- Czech Republic
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leohoenig
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Nov 20, 2019, 8:40 AM
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Lots of goals on the final day, but really the two that mattered most scored by Aaron Ramsey as Wales take the last direct spot.
No goals for Israel, so Eran Zahavi stays one below Harry Kane on the scorers list. He will have a chance to catch up in the qualifyers.
The next draws will decide which of the "extra" play off teams go into which pot. Only Iceland from League A failed to qualify directly, while exactly four from League B entered the play-offs. When I saw the original plan, it appeared that Bulgaria had to be in League C play off stream, but it is now to be drawn.
Also to be drawn is the home team for each play-off final. The finals draw comes a week later
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007Dale
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Nov 20, 2019, 2:14 PM
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I also hear that Spain and Ireland can’t play each other on a Tuesday.
Finland can’t play further south than London during daylight hours between June and August.
The Czech Republic and Slovakia can’t play together without finding the ‘O’ that went missing after their divorce.
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007Dale
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After the play-off Draw:
Group A:
1. Italy
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4. Wales or Finland
Group B:
1. Belgium
2. Russia
3. Denmark
4. Wales or Finland
Group C:
1. Ukraine
2. Holland
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4. PO Path A or PO path D
Group D:
1. England
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4. PO Path C
Group E:
1. Spain
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4. PO path B
Group F:
1. Germany
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4. PO path A or PO path D
Remaining Pots:
Rank 2:
- France
- Poland
- Switzerland
- Croatia
Rank 3:
- Portugal
- Turkey
- Austria
- Sweden
- Czech Republic
A ‘group of death’ could contain France from pot 2 and Portugal from pot 3.
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Play Off Draw
Path A
Iceland v Romania
Bulgaria v Hungary (winner at home in the final)
Path B
Bosnia and Herzegovina v Northern Ireland (winner at home in the final)
Slovakia v Republic of Ireland
Path C
Scotland v Israel
Norway v Serbia (winner at home in the final)
Path D
Georgia v Belarus (winner at home in the final)
North Macedonia v Kosovo
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Nov 25, 2019, 7:16 PM
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So what will happen if Russia get thrown out over the drugs issue?
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leohoenig
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Somehow, I expect 007Dale to be right, but here is some background
https://www.nytimes.com/...-wada-euro-2020.html
What is likely to happen is that WADA rules against Russia on December 9, the Russians appeal and then with the appeal not being heard for months, UEFA will declare it is too late to change the 2020 finalists or venues
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007Dale
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Confirmed today, any ban would not prevent Russia hosting or competing in Euro 2020.
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