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Hoppy
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There was an article in The Merseymart Free Newspaper this week with headlines "Parry gives backing to AFC"
He sends best wishes for the coming season.
Alun Parry praised Liverpool for their response.
No venue was mentioned but prices as follows;
Adults Ł5, O.A.P,s Ł3, Children Ł2.
It also states that they hope to be playing in The N.W.C.L AND HAVE 500 paid up members of the club.

afcliverpoolred
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May 31, 2008, 1:22 PM

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Hi

Courtesy of the official AFC Liverpool website.

LFC Says: We Wish You The Best Of Luck
Published on May 27, 2008

We already knew that Liverpool Football Club was the best in the world - but this has confirmed it.
Rick Parry, Chief Executive of LFC, has wrote to AFC Liverpool with an outstanding letter.
We contacted the club a few weeks ago to formally explain what we are about, that we are a project completely friendly to LFC, to explain about the level of community work we plan to engage in, and to seek the club’s blessing.
Rick Parry has replied by wishing us the best of luck!
This is both historic and farsighted for the club to openly welcome a new member of the LFC family, and shows Liverpool Football Club’s commitment to its community and supporters. It is also indicative of LFC’s willingness to acknowledge the values and benefits of grassroots football.
To say we are thrilled that the club recognise that AFC Liverpool are a friendly venture is an understatement.
Rick wrote: “On the basis of your letter there is every reason to believe that we can co-exist and co-operate and that will certainly be my aim. Doubtless there will be issues that arise and need to be solved, but I am approaching this with a positive frame of mind.”
He continued: “I’d like to wish you the best of luck with your endeavours and I know how much hard work will be required.”
We would like to publicly express our thanks to Rick Parry and Liverpool Football Club, and look forward to forging co-operative links between the two clubs.

The ground should be released hopefully next week. The betting is on Prescott Cables ground.

Cheers

Len

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(This post was edited by afcliverpoolred on May 31, 2008, 1:25 PM)

Mike Frenzy
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Would it not be possible for Liverpool fans who cannot afford to get into Anfield to simply find their local non-League team and support the hard work of those struggling to run the clubs? OK the new club may turn up at each ground once giving a big payday but is it really helping grassroots footy? I don't have a problem with the AFC Wimbledon, understand the ideas behind AFCUM but think this is one AFC too far.

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Hoppy
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May 31, 2008, 10:47 PM

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According to the Liverpool Echo Sports supplement today AFC Liverpool play away against St Helens Town at Ashton Towns Edge Green Street on Wed July 16th and at Marine on Tuesday July 22.

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May 31, 2008, 10:57 PM

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This argument has been rehashed over and over again - but I just have to say - what is wrong with people founding a new football club. As for supporting their local non-league team - isn't that what they will be doing - AFC Liverpool will be a non-league team and it will be local.

Hoppy
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AFC Liverpool are following in the line of other clubs FC United, AFC Wimbledon, AFC Telford United and Enfield Town supporting their local teams.

gazza
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May 31, 2008, 11:36 PM

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I was reading a paper the other day,it had the minimum and maximum price for the season tickets for the clubs in the Premiership,now i must admit that i am not up to date and my last season ticket for Leeds was in 1993,i have watched Garforth Town home and away for over 10 years now,back to my point, as i understood things the Merseyside teams always used to be amongst the cheapest around,this appears not to be the case any more and if i remember correctly the cheapest Liverpool ticket was a huge amount,this for me is why people are turning their backs on football at the top nowadays.imo more and more people are not willing to get into debt for 100's of pounds for a season ticket.

They Say Hard Work Never Hurt Anyone , But I Figure , Why Take The Chance

aiwa
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May 31, 2008, 11:43 PM

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The AFCL spokesman said "a whole community is being denied the opportunity to grow up in the 'match-going' culture" just because they can't afford to watch the real Liverpool in the Premiership.

His solution is to promote a 'match-going culture' with a new club in the NWCFL Div Two, but the opportunity already exists on the doorstep in the form of Bootle FC, a club that's faced more than its fair share of adversity in the past and one surely deserving of more support.

No disrespect to the players of AFCL, who I'm sure will be too good for the NWCFL2, but the main attraction of Liverpool since the mid-60s has been the fact that they employ some of the best players around, often wiping the floor with the rest, in the most atmospheric stadium in the land. I don't see AFCL being much of a substitute, frankly.

Five other points: first, strictly speaking, if AFCL settles in Prescot, it's not really local. Secondly, Liverpool will inevitably resolve the ownership situation and there is no guarantee that the amicable relationship with AFCL will sustain. Thirdly, when the new stadium arrives, the season-ticket waiting list will reduce and it might be easier to get in. Fourthly, from a PR point of view, couldn't the first game at least have been in Merseyside and not Greater Manchester. Fifthly, I cannot help but remember how the "community" contributed to the demise of South Liverpool FC and their once-excellent ground in Garston.

(This post was edited by aiwa on May 31, 2008, 11:56 PM)

dave
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but is it really helping grassroots footy?

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wyre forest red
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Jun 1, 2008, 8:15 AM

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The back page pf the Non League Today states that AFC Liverpool have been refused entry into the NWCL by the FA and that they will have to start at Step 7. Anyone know anymore about this? It will be a big blow for the club if true and yet another example of the lottery that is the FA decison process. Mad

ladderman
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Jun 1, 2008, 8:53 AM

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No they are not.
Those four clubs were all formed for differing reasons, anyway. The closest AFCL come to any of them is FCUM, unless I've missed something such as Liverpool FC going bankrupt, moving to Milton Keynes or having sold their ground.

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Any news regards AFC Liverpool I will put on the forum ASAP.
The buses from Liverpool to St Helens passing the Prescot Cables ground are every five mins and trains from Liverpool to Wigan via Prescot every hour and its a ten minute walk from the station.
The M57 is near to Prescot, Junction 2 from The M62.
The South Liverpool fiasco was pathetic.
They were hoping to move from Holly Park to The Wavertree Sports Stadium(can be seen on the train to the right before Edge Hill station) but as soon as "The killjoys" got in on the act, Wavertree Preservation Society put the "boot in" same old attitude "football, hooligans".
At present on this complex they have athletics with seated stand for 500 people, tennis courts, gymnasium and Olympic swimming pool, five a side football astroturf and large car park but eleven-a-side football has taken second place!

Hoppy
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Agreed Ladderman, I was trying to say these clubs were kept going by the regular supporters and all these clubs put their areas on the map, Enfield and Wimbledon gave a lot of publicity to Merton and Enfield councils respectivley but they never got help from them!

Richard Rundle
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But was any of it ever "good publicity"? If all you ever hear is "xxx Council are not helping us" or "xxx Council are blocking our every move" and you were a member of said Council, would that make you feel sympathetic to their cause?

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Hoppy
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Ask Wimbledon and Enfield supporters.

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Jun 1, 2008, 10:19 AM

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this for me is why people are turning their backs on football at the top nowadays.

I am very anti-Premier League and wish this were true, but is it? Seems to me that the more the prices go up and the more boring the whole competition becomes, the more people want to be part of it. If anyone has evidence that it is tailing off I'd love to see it. I am writing from Ethiopia where there are regularly fights in remote villages following games between the big 4 clubs and the national league changes its fixtures at the last minute to avoid clashing with English games!

aiwa
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Jun 1, 2008, 10:23 AM

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Has Wavertree ever been used for football? My pics show a couple of hard areas on the infield, one by the finish line and one by the 200m start, and these would be on the pitch.

Not really ideal for AFCL because viewing is essentially limited to the stand side, but it's a great looking venue, ideal for the Liv Prem.

Hoppy
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Over the years I have seen some Charity games and I think an FA Sunday Cup game was played, Pineapple FC but at one time there was no stand and just the basics but like you say there could be a problem with the athletics events.
There are six pitches in the park actually called "The Mystery"(land given by a generous but unknown person over a 100 years ago) and Sunday clubs from the Liverpool Business House League play there, Nicosia a well known club started playing their games here.
It would have been ideal for South Liverpool for Liverpool County Premier League games but since they withdrew/ dismissed from the Unibond in the early 90s have been on a variety of grounds but the past five seasons have a lease at The North Field on Jerico Lane, Aigburth Road, fenced off and only their 1st and 2nd teams use it.
They hope to rail the pitch off and put some cover either on the side or behind one goal as there is plenty of room for improvements although there are houses across the road which are behind large trees.
They have decent changing rooms again could be improved and produce a programme for every game, first and second team which they have done since they reformed and free tea provided by Secretary Jim Stanway!

afcliverpoolred
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Jun 1, 2008, 1:41 PM

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Hi

I have just read the article on-line. It seems that they would like AFCL to start their campaign in the Liverpool County League instead of the NWCL. I believe the NWC are happy for us to start there, its just the FA that are not too happy.

I'm lead to believe meetings will be held very shortly, hopefully to solve the situation.

Len

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(This post was edited by afcliverpoolred on Jun 1, 2008, 7:24 PM)

Mike Frenzy
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Excellent points well made Aiwa.

I don't have a problem with new teams being formed but if I started a new Crockenhill side we'd be playing park football with aspirations of joining the South London Alliance not the Kent League immediately. Even the Canterbury City 'reform' started at the bottom of the Kent County League. Why should a new club in Liverpool think they can start so far up the pyramid?

They will of course depend on the hard work of the few people at each club they visit, and presumably beat, which goes back to the original point that it would be better to find your own real local team and follow them.

Attaching the AFC name does not tie them in with those who fought against the problems at Wimbledon and Enfield, it is merely jumping on a bandwagon.

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this for me is why people are turning their backs on football at the top nowadays.

I am very anti-Premier League and wish this were true, but is it?

Yes it is true. If just 1 person attends 1 less match, than its automatically true. Of course the fans that don't go will be replaced with other fans, so it may not look true. But it is true.

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The point about why they are forming a new club instead of following an existing one has been made many times. Why on earth would they follow another club?

As for which league they should start in, surely it should be the lowest league actually within the pyramid (step 6.) If a new Crockenhill side was started, you could also apply at step 6. The pyramid just doesn't go down to park football.

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Why on earth would they follow another club?

Because the guy behind AFCL said they were priced out of the Premier League.

They are NOT priced out of Bootle. But no, they want the attention of starting their own club associated, however vaguely, with a world-famous one.

Ironically, if they start in the Liverpool Prem, would they be the only club to charge?

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But they can't be guaranteed to watch with the same people, if another club isn't formed.

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Sigh, no. The pyramid starts (for the moment) at Step 7. Suitable leagues in their area are the Liverpool County Premier League and the West Cheshire League, depending on where they eventually settle for groundsharing.

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