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the lounge must be a good side to have won the league last year because i thought Hazlehurst were a good team when we played them in the surrey cup, they were full of conference south and ryman premier players and went very close to reaching the national cup final.


You've now got me wondering who you are. I can hazard a guess....
Hazelhurst actually beat The Lounge into second place in the league last year. They've been one of the top Surrey affiliated sides for a while now although Sutton Athletic won the Senior Sunday Cup three times in four seasons recently (beating Blackwater Valley in one final Wink ) as well as winning the Morden Sunday League a couple of times before switching to the Leatherhead Sunday League. Athletic don't enter the FA Sunday Cup as far as I know though.
I don't know if Webby's still involved at Blackwater Valley but when he and me were running the Jolly Farmer FC he always wanted to enter the FA Sunday Cup. I refused to put in the application because we'd often struggle to get players up in time to travel to Guildford let alone anyone furthur away!


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vp,

no, webby was part of the 'en mass' retirement of most of the older boys from sunday football, well from that level and commitment to sunday football anyway.

i hadnt realised Sutton athletic were still going in any shape or form, they were very good but ageing in comparison with Hazlehurst, again full of ex pro's and conference south players.

that final and last years semi final were a different level of sunday football altogether, akin to playing fleet town (when they were good!) or farnboro on a sunday morning and showed the strength of sunday fooball in Surrey fa as being stronger than its hampshire equivalent, for me anyway.


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The Lounge against New Salamis would be an interesting game.


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It would be great if New Salamis (or one of the other London clubs) could do well in the FA national Sunday cup. No london team has won it for nearly two decades! We won't know how good NS really are till they face the trophy machines from up north in the Manchester and Liverpool area. Those northern teams always dominate the national cup.

I note that one of NS' new signings is former Clapton Rangers striker Ashley Forbes-Taylor. He scored their goal in last season's Challenge Cup semi-final against Baldon. Given that he has already won the Intermediate Cup with Clapton, will he become the first player to win the Intermediate and Challenge Cups with different teams? (If NS win it again)


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Hughesy I see that your game against Charlton United has been brought foward to tomorrow, I trust that you will be recording the whole game? Anyway good luck I hope you beat them.


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Hughesy I see that your game against Charlton United has been brought foward to tomorrow, I trust that you will be recording the whole game? Anyway good luck I hope you beat them.


Yes, it's at the Meridian Sports & Social Club in Charlton SE7 8QS if anybody wants to come along and watch. Hopefully I'll have some highlights on You Tube later in the week anyway.
At the moment it looks like we will be fielding a reasonably strong side and we are hopeful of giving them a decent game.



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How did you get on Hughesy?


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How did you get on Hughesy?


We lost 3-2 After Extra Time after being 2-1 up at one stage.
It was a very open match with chances galore, but I think we have to admit that the better team won in the end. Our keeper made a number of excellent saves to keep us in it.
I hope to have highlights on You Tube by the end of the week and I'll post the link here when they are done.

After me saying that the Waltham Sunday League is one of the strongest in the London area, our teams haven't been doing too well in County Cups lately with several fancied sides getting well beaten in the Herts, Essex, London & Middlesex cups to teams they should be having a close game with. (You can view all our League's County Cup results here).
Also, Enfield Rangers crashed out of the National Cup today, losing 4-1 to Tripimeni-Aris...who 'only' beat Charlton United 4-3 in last season's LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup Semi-Final, which puts our result today into perspective as a pretty good performance considering we are a lower/mid-table side in our Division.
The Charlton United Manager said afterwards that they 'underestimated us'. Wink



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Unlucky then, I'm not surprised he made that comment I did say that they are quite cocky/arrogant (players and manager) but not many sides 'only' lose 3-2 to them or even take them to extra time in a cup game and I have to admit I didn't think you would run them that close. I look foward to the highlights later on. Do you think they look good enough to win it? considering the other strong teams that will still be in, I think they will probably get the semi's again at best. It still looks as though your league is one of the strongest despite some of your teams going out earlier than expected.


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Unlucky then, I'm not surprised he made that comment I did say that they are quite cocky/arrogant (players and manager) but not many sides 'only' lose 3-2 to them or even take them to extra time in a cup game and I have to admit I didn't think you would run them that close. I look foward to the highlights later on. Do you think they look good enough to win it? considering the other strong teams that will still be in, I think they will probably get the semi's again at best. It still looks as though your league is one of the strongest despite some of your teams going out earlier than expected.


It's a bit difficult for me to tell personally when I am watching the whole match through a viewfinder and concentrating on following the ball, but some of our players said to me afterwards that they thought the top four teams in our Division (Hop Poles, East Herts, AFC Cheshunt & Flamstead End...who we play again next week) are all better than Charlton United, which I did find a bit surprising I must admit.

Hop Poles are actually London F.A. affiliated but don't enter any of the County Cups, while only East Herts still remain in the Herts F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup. AFC Cheshunt lost 1-0 after extra time to the current holders last week, while Flamstead End went out of that competition on penalties. Those four teams are all totally different to Charlton United in that they don't throw players forward en masse and leave gaps at the back, but Charlton United's players had a lot more skill and pace and were more competitive and aggressive...very much like Baldon Sports in a way. There were a lot of very strong challenges flying about but it didn't get too out of hand even though the Referee was absolutely useless. In the last few seasons, the London F.A. have appointed Referees to a number of our Sunday Intermediate Cup matches who cannot speak a word of English and appear to have taken 'some sort of exam' abroad which they deem as suitable. I'm not knocking the Referee himself, but it's wrong that inexperienced Referees are put on such a fast-moving high-quality game just because it's 'Sunday football'. He didn't seem to have a clue what was going on 'banter-wise' between the players.
We had a Referee from Indonesia against Frenford Sunday in a London Cup match 4 years ago who made the players all line up in front of the camera and stand to attention 'Champions League'-style because he thought I was filming the game for live TV. He had never refereed a Sunday League match before !



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Yep sorry I was overlooking that you were obviously concentrating on the filming side rather than watching as a 'normal' spectator!! I did say to you that they were a side that were very attack minded and not very sound defensively (and they will come acroper because of it) and I would expect that the stronger sides left will beat them when it is a closer type of match (as yours was). True they are quite aggressive but not in a dirty way and from what people have told me Baldon receive a lot of yellow/red cards on a regular basis but along with Baldon I would say they are certainly amongst the very strongest sides in the south east but there aren't that many others as a lot of the teams from our leagues are already out of the county cups (and regularly are). I wouldn't have a clue how strong the Herts county cups are compared to the london equivalents??

I must agree that the standard of some sunday referre's is extremely poor I don't know how they 'grade' them for the leagues etc but some of them don't have even a basic understanding of football or how to ref but they seem to get in and in the premier divisions as well.


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Some other results from the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup Third Round today...

F.C. Bickley 11 Clapham Rovers 2 !!!
Brotherhood 5 Redbridge Jewish Care 0
Yavruvatan 0 Norton 2
New Convoys 4 Southgate Harmen 0

Still 4 more results to come.
It's the Quarter-Finals next. I think one Semi-Final will be Brotherhood v. Charlton United and the other will be 'anyone' v. F.C. Bickley.
It looks to me like those three are the strongest sides left in, although Norton beating Yavruvatan was a good result.



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Hugheshy, that quote about the Indonesian ref who "made the players all line up in front of the camera and stand to attention 'Champions League'-style because he thought I was filming the game for live TV" was absolutely classic! Hilarious! Sly

Very surprised at Enfield Rangers losing so heavily to Aris, and at Yavruvatan losing (they were in the final 2 years ago against Clapton Rangers).

The leagues that have come out looking strong from the recent County and National Cup results seem to be KOPA (New Salamis, Aris) and the Maccabi Jewish League (which we have not discussed, but which has good teams like Faithfold, North West Neasden and London Maccabi Lions.

With Baldon Sports and Clapton Rangers no longer in the competition, is there anyone left that can stop New Salamis in the Challenge Cup?



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The leagues that have come out looking strong from the recent County and National Cup results seem to be KOPA (New Salamis, Aris) and the Maccabi Jewish League (which we have not discussed, but which has good teams like Faithfold, North West Neasden and London Maccabi Lions.

That 'Brotherhood 5 Redbridge Jewish Care 0' was an interesting result though, as Redbridge Jewish Care seem to be the top team in the Maccabi League at the moment. Brotherhood are in the KOPA League and could well finish second to New Salamis this season looking at the current League Table. They are playing on the next pitch to us this coming Sunday at Hazelwood Sports Ground in Palmers Green (N13 5ST) if anybody wants to come over and take a look.

North West Neasden lost 4-1 at Home to Comets Sports Club (from the Berkhamsted Sunday League) in the National Cup yesterday.



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FC Bickley look the strongest side left in that intermediate cup now along with Greengate but I will tip them to win it. Norton beating Yuravatan is a massive surprise really but I don't see them beating any of those left in. As you say I can't see who will beat New Salamis in the Challenge cup and in the junior cup Yalova and Bari are looking strong as are Paul Birch FC. Just looking at your vids I don't agree that the top 4 teams in your league would beat Charlton United I think Cheshunt Corinthians would if they had their best side out but who knows unless they actually meet. Well done to Lounge on reaching the next round of the nationals.


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Here's the draw for the next round of the F.A. National Sunday Cup. (Sunday 21st November).
Tripimeni-Aris v. Enfield Rangers. That'll be a good one to watch.

The Lounge are Away to AFC Donsville...a team I for one have not heard of before.

I fancied Tripimeni-Arsi to win this one and they did not disappoint.

Enfield Rangers were second best for most of the morning but had their fair share of chances to cause the hosts problems.

Tripimeni-Aris will hope to have a stronger team out for the next round as they were missing several key players for this match.




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Highlights of the Charlton United v. Edmonton Rovers match are now online here.

Darney...you were right about Craig Brack. He was by no means their best player but he still scored two of their goals. Their winner was scored by Harbingi Grant. (Ex-Thamesmead Town and Enfield Town amongst others).
It was their midfield who were absolute quality though. Much fitter, quicker and sharper than teams we play in our League...Enfield Rangers and Cheshunt Corinthians included ! From doing a bit of Google Searching, it appears their No.9 played for Burnley Reserves a couple of seasons ago (see here), while their No.16 (Darryl Wheeler) & No.7 (Danny Beszant) are well-known Non-League players in the South-East London/Kent area I believe ? (Thamesmead Town, VCD Athletic, Erith & Belvedere, etc ?). I thought their No.4 (Scott Clarke ?) was a very good player. He looked older than the others and must have played at Ryman League level on Saturdays for somebody I would have thought ?
They were a lot better defensively than I expected. Certainly 'miles' better at the back than Nacional De Londres and Yavruvatan who we played last year. We created chances mainly because of good play by us, not from mistakes by their defenders.

We were fielding probably the strongest side we have ever put out in a London Cup match and we actually played above ourselves and were well pleased with our performance, but they were still too good for us, although we weren't too far behind them on clear-cut chances created, as you will see from the highlights. Our keeper (Simon Jackson) was obviously our Man-Of-The-Match though.

As for the question whether Charlton United will win the Sunday Intermediate Cup this year, I would say 'yes' from what I saw on Sunday, but it was interesting that they didn't bring on any substitutes until the last minute of Extra-Time, which suggests they might only have eleven players who are good enough for this level. If they start getting injuries, then they might be beatable.
Their results in the Senior Division of the Metropolitan Sunday League so far this season either suggest that they had a stronger side out than normal against us, or that League (and particularly that Division) is a very strong one, and even stronger than ours. I suspect the latter if Baldon Sports are in the top Division and do not have a 100% record.



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Yeah that's what I was saying about Craig Brack he can be virtually annonoymous in the game and then he gets two (sometimes 3) goals I've seen it so many times when I have either watched or played against them. Beszant is probably their best (and most cockey!) player when on form, I haven't seen many players with more skill and dexterity than him even at pro level, wheeler also is a very good player. Scott Clarke is older than most of their side I think he plays for them on and off though, I believe he currently plays for Bridon Ropes (Kent County league) on a saturday though I have no idea how old he is! I didn't know Theo played for Burnley reserves (how you found that out i'll never know) so that's pretty interesting to know but from looking at the highlights the side they had out is their 'normal' side minus one player - Michael Power who plays for Cray Wanderers and has been at Thamesmead Town amongst others, they chop and change weekly but only with equally good players. If they only had a bare squad it must have been a one off as they usually have a number of players that they can call on most of whom I would rate as of a decent enough standard. From what I know of them they have gradually built up their current side over about the last 4/5 years to the squad they now have.

I am pretty sure that the league Charlton are in is of a very high standard as I have played in the division one of the Met league and that is quite high and I have played against sides from the Met premier and that is certainly a tough division. I would even say that the league Charlton United are in now is of a higher standard than the Premier Division of the Woolwich and Eltham Alliance that they were in previously and won consistently with some ease. They are probably surprised themselves at the standard. I don't think they will win the league they are in though as the only team that has beaten them
(Golden Eagles) look to be pretty strong at the minute.


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Watched the video footage and it looked like a very good high quality game, however I've said it before and I'll say it again Conor McGovern, what a player!! Charlton United also look a very good side, no weak links.



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Scott Clarke is older than most of their side I think he plays for them on and off though, I believe he currently plays for Bridon Ropes (Kent County league) on a saturday though I have no idea how old he is!

Back in 1998 we played a team called Plumstead Rangers in the London FA Sunday Junior Cup on the playing fields over the road to the Meridian Sports Club (Charlton Park ?). Their Manager told me at the time that they all played for Bridon Ropes on Saturdays. Scott Clarke may well have been playing in that as he did look familiar. (I was filming our matches even way back then !). We beat them 4-3 but it helped having the likes of Glen Southam, Neil Tilley (Enfield & Potters Bar Town), Carlo Casali (Broxbourne Borough), Stuart Dorward (Hoddesdon Town), John Beasley (Hemel Hempstead), Treasure MacCarthy (Haringey Borough) and goalkeeper Shaun O'Neill (ex-Runcorn, Bishop's Stortford & Enfield...amongst others) in our line-up ! Smile Stuart Dorward is still playing for us and was our Captain against Charlton United (wearing No.5).



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Although the Quarter-Final results are not yet on display here on the London F.A. website, the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup Semi-Finalists are Pearscroft United, New Salamis, Akincilar and Ergazi. That's one team from the Sportsmans Sunday League, one from the KOPA (Cypriot) League, and two from the Turkish Community Football Federation.
Pretty much confirms what I was saying at the start of this thread that the Cypriot and Turkish Leagues are probably the strongest Non-Pyramid Leagues in London. The financial backing/sponsorship that these teams get make a massive difference I think.
It's Akincilar v. New Salamis in one Semi-Final. I think they are probably the two best teams left in. That one should be well worth watching !

In the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup, I predict the Semi-Finalists will be F.C. Bickley, Norton, Brotherhood (from the KOPA League) and Charlton United.

In the LFA Sunday Junior Cup, watch out for Enfield Crusaders (from the Waltham Sunday League). They beat Rolls Park (previous winners of this competition) 7-0 on Sunday and have got a few ex-Cheshunt (Ryman League) players playing for them. I would expect Yalova (another top Turkish team) and Red Star (Camden) to get through to the Semi-Finals though. Are Woolwich 90 your team Darney ? How do you fancy your chances ?

P.S. Edmonton Rovers latest highights are here. A cracking match against AFC Cheshunt, who are currently the best team in the Waltham Sunday League...Premier Division included. You will notice Gary Schillaci (a regular for Cheshunt in the Ryman League) is their Captain and Josh Slabber (brother of Eastleigh's Jamie) came on as a sub. The rest of their players are all ex-Step 4-7, as were most of ours. Very good standard.



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Great game against Cheshunt can't believe you let them nick the win! I think we (Woolwich 90) have a very good chance to go all the way in the junior cup but personally I don't see us getting any further than the semi's again at best. If we get through the next round in january I think we will possibly face Millwall Albion which will be tough. I think the winner of Greenhouse Bethwin v Yalova will get to the final and Paul Birch are a decent side as well so it will be difficult either way.


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Enfield Crusaders also look very strong having won 7-0 in every single round (x3) thus far so they must be favourites.


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Got to give credit to the Sportsman league for getting two teams this far, and to Fulham Utd for giving New Salamis a close game. I would have preferred Akincilar and New Salamis to be the final. Either team would be a worthy winner. Both teams are top of their respective leagues.


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We (Woolwich 90) are in the quarters of the Junior cup now and face the only other South London team left in it in Stanley Lions who I don't know a lot about. Enfield Crusaders seem to have hammered everyone they have faced so far and without conceeding a single goal thus far, has any team ever managed to win an LFA competition without conceeding a goal? They will be hard pressed not to concede a goal though as there are only strong teams left in the competition. Yalova play Greenhouse Bethwin this sunday in the only tie left of the last 16 games and I predict a close match with Yalova coming out on top eventually either via pens or extra-time. Then they will face Homerton Rangers and the winners of that will play the winners of our match. I see that Akincillar are top of the TCFF Divison 1 and Yalova are second so I would be expecting that Yalova can at least get to the final of the junior cup this year having reached the semi's last year.

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