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stevegraze
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LOL. I cannot believe a guy who played for Enfield Town could do things like that! (perhaps why he was at Enfield only briefly!)
FC Alpha sound like a very intriguing team. Very unusual for a bunch of young players to mould themselves into a successful team at that age. How do you think they will do in the Waltham Prem against players who although not as young or fast, have greater experience and tactical discipline?

Do FC Alpha enter Herts County Cups?

Speaking of County Cups, I have to raise an issue that you mentioned before in this thread:

http://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=280361;search_string=%22east%20london%22%20sunday%20waltham%20orpington;guest=55779464#280361

Remember Lea Hall Sports and Social Club FC? (who knocked the mighty New Salamis out of the FA Sunday Cup). Lea Hall are affiliated to the Birmingham FA, who have a very detailed criteria for entrance to their Sunday County Cups:
http://www.birminghamfa.com/...entryCriteraJULY.pdf

Teams CANNOT just enter whichever Sunday cup they want. Instead the BFA allocates teams into different county cups based on which league they play in (so you never get two teams in the same Div playing in different county cups). The LFA definitely needs to do this as the current free for all system does not always produce legit outcomes in the Junior, Intermediate and Challenge Cups.

In the LFA cups, you have Yalova (top of the Turkish League) playing in the Junior (last season) and Intermediate (this season) cups, while teams below them in the same league (e.g. Akincilar etc) are playing in the more senior Challenge Cup. Can we assess how ‘good’ Yalova are based on them smashing outmatched lower division teams in the Junior Cup?

What of Lapton (8 titles in a row) playing in the Intermediate Cup, while Clapton Rangers of the same league (near bottom of table, never been champs of their league – although admittedly they won the Junior and Intermediate Cups in successive seasons) in the more senior Challenge Cup! From Baldon’s league (OBDSFL) you have two teams in the same Div: Valtaro Wasteels (Challenge) and Bullers (Intermediate) playing in different LFA Cups.
Something must be done to stop this madness!

It is unfair on lower Div teams in the Junior and Intermediate Cups to be put in against trophy machines like Yalova and Lapton, while it is ridiculous for a clearly outmatched Kensington Athletic going in the Intermediate Cup every year, despite conceding nearly 20 goals in the last two games they played in that competition! Are Kensington Athletic better than Yalova who were in the Junior Cup last year?

Hughesvideo, the LFA REALLY needs to change the entry criteria to make it more structured.


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FC Alpha sound like a very intriguing team. Very unusual for a bunch of young players to mould themselves into a successful team at that age. How do you think they will do in the Waltham Prem against players who although not as young or fast, have greater experience and tactical discipline?

Do FC Alpha enter Herts County Cups?


FC Alpha are not Herts F.A.-affiliated. Only London.

If FC Alpha keep their players together, they will do well in the Premier Division. So will Flamstead End and/or Cuffley.
What happens in our League year after year is that quality teams get promoted from Division One, then several of their better players leave because they don't want a 'tough game' week-in week-out on a Sunday after playing at Step 2-5 level the day before. That's exactly what has happened to the likes of Cheshunt Corinthians, Hop Poles and East Herts with players joining teams in the lower divisions for an easier game on a Sunday. AFC Cheshunt are doing slightly better as they don't seem to have lost anybody, but they are not fielding a settled side at the moment and are very inconsistent.

Regarding the London F.A. having a fixed criteria for Sunday Cup enties, I couldn't agree more.
Somebody needs to point them in the direction of this thread !



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Somebody needs to point them in the direction of this thread !



Hughesvideo, Darney, Isaac, Cope1, Scottorae, The Player etc – do any of you guys have contacts at the LFA? I really think the very constructive points made on this thread about adding PROPER structure to LFA County Cups should be sent to the LFA. Change needs to be made to enrich the quality of each cup competition.

Darney, also – how do you rate Sabanoh 97 who play in the Prem Div of your league? Any comments about their quality, and where they get their players from? (Saturday/semi-pro teams etc?)


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Hughesvideo, Darney, Isaac, Cope1, Scottorae, The Player etc – do any of you guys have contacts at the LFA? I really think the very constructive points made on this thread about adding PROPER structure to LFA County Cups should be sent to the LFA. Change needs to be made to enrich the quality of each cup competition.


Take your pick here, Steve...http://www.londonfa.com/...mp;id=3&Itemid=3
Jamie Broughton is the person responsible for LFA Sunday Cup competitions. It's probably best to e-mail him in the New Year though, as I think the LFA office normally shuts down for two weeks over Christmas.

I don't mind sending him an e-mail about the situation, but if others do so as well, that should help.



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Here's a clip of our stand-in goalkeeper's antics in our match against Enfield Crusaders on Sunday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXQZXHxzpRI
Although it gives Sunday League football a bad name, at least the rest of the match was a very high standard...mainly from Enfield Crusaders though, not by us ! Full highlights are here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VErSdx8B-2U



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Stevegraze I don't have a contact in the FA myself but I would be willing to write/contact as well if you feel it would help them address the issues of grading for the 3 LFA cups as it seems to be an ongoing thing that is never really looked into by them.

In relation to Sabanoh 97 I haven't played against them this season as I no longer play for Woolwich 90 in that league as I have been playing for Hazlehurst for most of last season and the first half of this. However I did watch them once this season when I had a week off and I was quiet surprised at what I saw. They are tradationally an ALL african side that have few players of any real quality technique but have big physical type of players, that tend to be somewhat erratic and they are usually quiet an inconsistent team. When I saw them this year they had a few white guys and they didn't look that bad a side and judging by their results so far they are doing well although how they only managed to beat my old side 2-1 is something of a mystery. From what I have read and heard about Lapton though I don't see them as having a real chance of progressing past them in all honesty.


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Hughesvideo, you are a very cruel man! I cannot believe you created a separate highlight video just for Lexton Harrison's gaffes! Sly I take it he wont be playing for your team again then? (after that video goes viral, I don't think ANY team will let him play for them!) What cracked me up is how he made a brilliant save, then followed it up by throwing the ball down at his own feet! Laugh Why didn't Enfield Crusaders play such a strong line-up against Yalova?

I am definitely going to write to the LFA about their County Cup gradings. Perhaps separate messages from me, you AND Darney will make them see that this is an issue that needs to be addressed.

Darney, thanks for the info re Sabanoh 97. I thought they would be a good side as they are holders of the Plumstead Challenge Cup, which is an inter-league "county cup" of sorts for teams playing in south London/Kent leagues.

I did not realise you had moved to Hazelhurst. I was shocked to see Hazelhurst lose 0-5 to Dee Road Rangers in the FA Sunday Cup. I hear Dee Road are an excellent side with several players playing semi-pro Hellenic League (step 5) football for teams including Reading Town FC. I also hear that their star striker Ray Spence (who scored 4 of his team's 5 goals against Hazelhurst) is a brilliant player. They also have some hot-heads with short fuses in their team (3 of their players got banned for life by the Reading Sunday League, and Ray Spence has had disciplinary issues in the past).

What did you think of Dee Road Rangers? Do you think they can go far in the competition? They must be quite a team to beat an excellent team like Hazelhurst so comprehensively. They face another London team: FC Tripimeni in the next round.


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Hughesvideo, you are a very cruel man! I cannot believe you created a separate highlight video just for Lexton Harrison's gaffes! Sly I take it he wont be playing for your team again then? (after that video goes viral, I don't think ANY team will let him play for them!) What cracked me up is how he made a brilliant save, then followed it up by throwing the ball down at his own feet! Laugh Why didn't Enfield Crusaders play such a strong line-up against Yalova?

I am definitely going to write to the LFA about their County Cup gradings. Perhaps separate messages from me, you AND Darney will make them see that this is an issue that needs to be addressed.

I must admit it did cross my mind once I put that clip of Lexton's goalkeeping gaffes on You Tube that he might tell me to take it off, but fair play to him. He is having a good laugh about it. Smile
It does say on the clip that he is an outfield player though. Obviously, teams would not sign him up to play in goal after that, but he did play for Enfield Town as a defender.
He has been playing for us on and off since the late-90's when he was a teenager and up until this season we have always played him as a forward...where he is quite a decent player with a lot of strength and pace.

Of course we are very much a team who play for fun first and foremost and that's why a lot of our players play for us on Sundays. I have loads of video clips from the last 20 years of our players making fools of themselves and we regularly watch them at our end-of-season presentation evenings. If the clip of Lexton goes 'viral' (which I doubt to be honest...it's only had 110 views so far), then I will put other clips from the past online and share any proceeds between myself (as cameraman and copyright holder), the players involved, and the club. A much better fund-raising opportunity than a raffle or a race night !? Crazy

Regarding Enfield Crusaders' defeat to Yalova, they hadn't signed up their Albanian forward (Oraldo Kola) then. He was the main difference between the two sides when they beat us 3-0 just before Christmas (scoring all three goals) and it will be interesting to see how they do from now until the end of the season with him in the side. They are playing Turnford Geese this Sunday (which they should win). We are playing Away to Cuffley...who are the only team to have beaten FC Alpha this season. They also beat Enfield Rangers 3-1 in a Cup game and outplayed them by all accounts.

I will write to Jamie Broughton at the London F.A. tomorrow and point him in the direction of this thread. We shall see what happens. Smile



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The missing LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup Third Round result...
Real Northern 1 Yalova 4
Again, no real surprise.

Stevegraze, I meant no real surprises in who actually got through to the 4th Round. Sly
Lapton beating Hendon United Sports was on the cards, although not by such a margin I must admit.

I expect Charlton United to get through once they finally play and I think it's pretty clear that they, Lapton and Yalova must be the favourites to win the competition. Charlton United are now top of the top Division in the Metropolitan Sunday League.


Delayed Second Round result from Sunday 8th January...
Charlton United 8 Hatcham Reserves 4 Shocked

Charlton United are now Away to Sporting Santos in the Third Round this coming Sunday. Sporting Santos are top of the Senior Division (the second division down) in the same League as Charlton United (Metropolitan Sunday), so it is likely to be a close game.
The winners of that will be Away to Phoenix (the top team in the Camden Sunday League) in the Quarter-Finals on Sunday 29th January.



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Happy New Year one and all!! Stevegraze I no longer play for Hazlehurst due to a slight difference of opinion with the manager! I therefore didn't play against Dee Road Rangers and I didn't see the game either but as previously said they must be a very decent side to not only beat Hazlehurst but beat them so comprehensively, which is why I was very surprised to see such a result, it certainly sounds as though Dee Road have the pedigree to progress but having not actually seen them play I couldn't offer a prediction and in addition I haven't seen how strong the sides from up North are and from what others have said they tend to be the 'big guns' in this competition. I am equally shocked to see that Hazlehurst were again hammered (3-7) in a league game this sunday against Wimbledon Royals. Maybe I shouldn't be that surprised as some weeks we only had the bare 11 and maybe some players have been missing but non the less it is a very shocking scoreline.


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Hughesvideo and Darney: as promised I wrote to the LFA and I received a reply. Their response was that an LFA committee sits down to determine which teams get allocated into each Sunday Cup. If that is the case, the baffling entries of teams into cups they are clearly too good/weak for is utterly bizzarre. Nonetheless, the LFA officer that replied to me said they are willing to consider suggestions.

Hughesvideo, if that is the case, I will send them the "co-efficients" grading of various London leagues that you compiled much earlier in this thread (i.e. Prem/top Div teams from strong leagues enter the Challenge Cup). Let me know if there is anything else you want to add/change before I reply to him.


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Stevegraze, I e-mailed the London F.A. as well and was given the same answer.

I pointed them in the direction of that post I made here back in October 2010. The only change to that 'co-efficients grading' is that I think the Hendon Sunday League might have gone downhill a bit with their better Middlesex F.A.-affiliated clubs joining the Harrow Sunday League instead, so any London F.A.-affiliated clubs still playing it that League may be getting an easier ride. Hopefully there is somebody out there reading this who can advise us further regarding that ? If that's the case, then the Hendon Sunday League should be bracketed with those seven Leagues in the second list, or maybe even in the LFA Sunday Junior Cup category ?

Also, that http://www.walthamfootballleague.co.uk/links.html link to the list of London, Essex, Middlesex & Hertfordshire Sunday Leagues has now gone as I no longer do the Waltham Sunday League website.
They can all now be found at the following link on my club website instead: http://www.edmontonrovers.co.uk/links.html



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Darney, thanks for the feedback re Hazelhurst.
Hughesvideo, I sent the gradings to the LFA county cups committee. Let's see whether they take note of our recommendations.

No surprise in Charlton Utd beating Hatcham RESERVES. Although Charlton's Metropolitan League derby in the 3rd round against Sporting Santos will be a close game, I still expect Charlton Utd to get through and face Phoenix in the QF. That should be a high scoring game. Yalova are still favourites in my book. The draw has been very kind to them. They are on the "easy" side of the draw with only a team bottom of its league and facing relegation with only 1 win all season (Norton), a second tier team (Apoel), and a mid-table team below them in the same Div (Koture) standing between them and the final. Yalova can just sit back and watch all the good remaining teams on the other side of the draw: Charlton Utd, Sporting Santos, Phoenix, Lapton and Sabanoh 97 go through each other in tough games, and then play the exhausted survivor in the final.

Upshire seem to be running away with the Waltham Premier Div. 15 points clear with a 100% record - with half the season gone! Shocked Do think they could go the whole season unbeaten/with a 100% record?


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Upshire seem to be running away with the Waltham Premier Div. 15 points clear with a 100% record - with half the season gone! Shocked Do think they could go the whole season unbeaten/with a 100% record?


It's quite possible they can, because almost every other team in the Premier Division have lost players since the season started and are struggling to field settled sides. Having said that, Upshire have already been knocked out in the First Round of the League Challenge Cup (a competition for all teams in the League) by Lea Valley Royals and also knocked out of the League Senior Cup (for Premier & Division One teams) in the Second Round by Percival, both of whom are Premier Division sides. Upshire still have to play Percival twice in the League and Lea Valley Royals once.

In the First Round of the League Senior Cup, Upshire only beat mid-table Division One side F.C. Rosemill 1-0, while in Division One this season, F.C. Rosemill have lost 10-0 to Flamstead End, 9-1 to F.C. Alpha and 6-1 to Enfield Crusaders.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if this season's League Challenge Cup Final ends up as FC Alpha v. Flamstead End and the League Senior Cup Final as Cuffley v. Enfield Crusaders...all Division One teams with quality Semi-Pro players and/or settled sides of young, fit, properly-coached players who turn up every week. In my opinion, FC Alpha, Flamstead End and Cuffley are all certainly as good as Upshire, who also have a good young side full of ex-Waltham Abbey players (Step 4).

We played Cuffley on Sunday and lost 5-2. They were a very good side with all four of their midfielders being current or former Step 4 or 5 players. Highlights are here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGpPSVZpN08
Watch out for another piece of comical goalkeeping on 3:05...this time by our proper goalkeeper ! BlushSly

Enfield Rangers will now probably finish second to Upshire in the Premier Division as they have just signed up several players from I.M.L., who folded up and dropped out of the Premier Division just before Christmas. Fortunately for Upshire, they have already played Enfield Rangers Home & Away and beat them 2-0 and 7-0 when Rangers were really struggling for players.

There are a couple of cracking matches in the Waltham Sunday League this coming Sunday (15th January) that I highly recommend to 'groundhoppers'...frozen pitches permitting. (Unfortunately that is the forecast at the moment).
Enfield Rangers v. The Kings Head (League Challenge Cup)...The Kings Head are a newly-formed team this season who are currently just above mid-table in Division Three, but their squad is packed with numerous well-known local Semi-Pro players, many of whom played for the now-defunct Whitewebbs, a side who won the Herts Senior County League two seasons in a row about 5 years ago. The Kings Head also have numerous others who have played in the Premier Division of the Spartan South Midlands League and they will almost certainly give Enfield Rangers a close game.
F.C. Alpha v. Larsens (League Challenge Cup)...Larsens dropped their First Team out of the Premier Division last season and now run just the one team in Division Three. Somehow though, they were allowed to keep all their 'star' players (e.g. Marc & Lee Sontag, Lee White, Russell Williamson, Ansah Owusu, Luke Power, John Hickman and numerous others who are either ex-pros or former Concord Rangers or Waltham Abbey players). Not surprisingly they are currently top of the division and unbeaten in all competitions so far this season. In the last round, they beat Premier Division side Lea Valley Royals 6-2 ! FC Alpha (from Division One) are quality though, and I very much doubt if Larsens will beat them by such a margin. Should be a very high-standard match if Larsens get all their top players out though.

Meanwhile, Edmonton Rovers are playing Away to FC Rosemill in a 'boring' Division One mid-table scuffle...but I will be filming it nonetheless ! Wink



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That was epic.LaughI hope he's ok? Still not sure what caused the injury as he appeared to stay on his feet for a few seconds before going down. The funniest part in the video actually occurs at 2:10 when the Cuffley left winger side-stepped inside your RB (number 7) and made him lose his balance - cartwheeling and spinning around in circles several yards off balance, and bouncing off the screen view. I think he might still be spinning! Sly

Cuffley's first goal was quality: a very good passing move. Their LW (17) looks a useful young player.

Do Upshire enter Herts/Middlesex county cups? I cannot understand why they are in such hot form in the league yet fail in cups (especially the 1-4 loss in the FA National Sunday Cup to Tripimeni).



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That was epic.LaughI hope he's ok? Still not sure what caused the injury as he appeared to stay on his feet for a few seconds before going down. The funniest part in the video actually occurs at 2:10 when the Cuffley left winger side-stepped inside your RB (number 7) and made him lose his balance - cartwheeling and spinning around in circles several yards off balance, and bouncing off the screen view. I think he might still be spinning! Sly

Cuffley's first goal was quality: a very good passing move. Their LW (17) looks a useful young player.

Do Upshire enter Herts/Middlesex county cups? I cannot understand why they are in such hot form in the league yet fail in cups (especially the 1-4 loss in the FA National Sunday Cup to Tripimeni).


Our keeper (who is from Stoke) is a bit of a character who does a lot of 'silly' things, probably for the camera. Cool He actually made some very good saves though and wasn't really at fault for any of the goals.

Cuffley's No.17 was Brett O'Connor. He is a first-choice player for St. Margaretsbury in the Spartan South Midlands League Premier Division (Step 5). Their tall No.15 (Alex Read, playing centre midfield) was probably their best player though. I'm not sure if he is the same Alex Read who plays for Tilbury in the Ryman League, but he certainly looked good enough to play at that level. Most of Cuffley's other players have also played in the Spartan South Midlands League, mainly for Hoddesdon Town.
Cuffley's Sunday side are better than their Saturday side, who are mid-table in the Herts Senior County League (Step 7). Their Saturday side use mainly players who only play in the lower divisions of the Waltham Sunday League. A lot of The Kings Head's players currently play for Cuffley on Saturdays.
The ground we played at on Sunday (Newgate Street Village) is not where Cuffley's Herts Senior County League side play...just in case anybody was wondering. Wink

As for Upshire, they are Essex F.A.-affiliated as they are based in Waltham Abbey. They are currently doing well in the Essex Sunday Premier Cup and play the top team from the Colchester Sunday League (Botolphs) in the next round.
They might win that, but they will do well to beat Ockendon Motor Spares if they end up drawing them ! They are the Essex F.A.'s answer to New Salamis. Upshire losing 4-1 to Tripimeni in the National Cup was therefore a good pointer.
Interesting that Ockendon Motor Spares never enter the National Sunday Cup. They have been the best Sunday team in Essex for a number of years now.



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Alright guys

Very interesting thread.

Looking for a bit of advice though. The league we play in (Sunday Afternoons) seems to be struggling a bit in terms of numbers of teams, quality of teams and organisation of teams. We are fully committed to the league and are trying to attract new teams to it along with the other well run, successful teams.

However, at the same time we are keeping an ear and an eye out for further opportunities, whether this is a new Sunday Afternoon league, a move to Saturday morning/ afternoon football. We are based in West London, but what are the leagues of good reputation and organisation in this area of London??

I've played Combined Counties football, but predominantly the league below in Surrey. Our whole team is of this standard with a few of far higher ability. Are there any leagues that anyone might recommend?

A well run league with teams that arent full of total scumbags is basically what we are looking for, should we need to change leagues, which hopefully doesnt come to pass.


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Middlesex County League for Saturday afternoons. It has four divisions.
The top division is step 7 (the same as the Surrey Elite) which is one below the Combined Counties Division 1. You don't have to be a Middlesex club to enter it.

You can see the teams that are in it this season on their Wikipedia page -

http://en.wikipedia.org/...unty_Football_League


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Answered in the new thread you started!


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ignore Middlesex County League if you want to move into Saturday football, the London Commercial League doesn't ask for overly stringent ground and programme requirements and most of its teams are based in West London with British Airways surface being the best of most teams in any division


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Alright guys

Very interesting thread.

Looking for a bit of advice though. The league we play in (Sunday Afternoons) seems to be struggling a bit in terms of numbers of teams, quality of teams and organisation of teams. We are fully committed to the league and are trying to attract new teams to it along with the other well run, successful teams.

However, at the same time we are keeping an ear and an eye out for further opportunities, whether this is a new Sunday Afternoon league, a move to Saturday morning/ afternoon football. We are based in West London, but what are the leagues of good reputation and organisation in this area of London??

I've played Combined Counties football, but predominantly the league below in Surrey. Our whole team is of this standard with a few of far higher ability. Are there any leagues that anyone might recommend?

A well run league with teams that arent full of total scumbags is basically what we are looking for, should we need to change leagues, which hopefully doesnt come to pass.


The West End AFA League Sunday PM Division seems to be the only Sunday afternoon League in the London area that is still running this season. I am guessing your team plays in that ?
I think there was some sort of London Communities League last season that played on Sunday afternoons but I can't find any sign of that this season. I don't know if the Provincial Supporters Club League still play their games in the afternoons ? It was way back in 1990 that my team last played Away to a team from that League...in the afternoon at Wormwood Scrubs.

In general in the London area, local councils do not allow their pitches to be used on Sunday afternoons for cost-cutting reasons. It's mornings only nowadays...much to the frustration of a lot of players who would rather sleep off their hang-overs from the night before, play football at 2.00.p.m., and then pile into the nearest pub afterwards to watch the 4.00.p.m. Kick-Off on Sky.
On the other hand though, a lot of players prefer 10.30.a.m. kick-offs on Sunday mornings, as they then have more time for family commitments for the rest of the day.



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I have just been having a look at who is through to the Fourth Round of the London F.A. Sunday Junior Cup (to be played in January).
Some of the Third Round results are not listed yet, but I have found out who won most of them and here is how the Fourth Round draw looks:
Burgess United v. Inter Trac
I expect Inter Trac to get through this one, having beaten my team 3-0 in Pre-Season. They are a good side with Enfield Town 'legend' David Allen playing for them.
Ship v. Cultural
These two are both in the Sportsmans Sunday League but Cultural are a mid-table side in the top Division, so what are they doing in the Junior Cup ? Most teams in the top division of that League go in the Challenge or Intermediate Cups. The Ship are in the division below (mid-table), so this will be a tough game for them. I hope they get through as they have booked me to film a number of matches for them over the years and they are a good bunch of lads.
Bari Reserves v. AFC Avalon
Both of these teams are in the Essex F.A. affiliated Independent Sunday League...which doesn't appear to have a website, so it's difficult to know how many divisions there are in that League nowadays. There used to be three. I found a League Table here on a club website and they are both evenly-matched in their Premier Division.
Bromley Knights v. Tristars & Deloitte
This is likely to be a good-standard match as Bromley Knights are in the same division as Baldon Sports First Team in the Orpington & Bromley Sunday League (second division down), while Tristars & Deloitte are the top team in the London Accountants' League and highly-rated.
Greenhouse Bethwin v. Bozcader or Santley Lions (Can't find the result of that one anywhere).
Greenhouse Bethwin are the best team in the West End (AFA) Sunday League. They should win this one whoever they play.
Brixton Old Boys v. Lord Stanley
Lord Stanley are probably the best team in this competition. They are currently top of the second division down in the Essex Sunday Combination, and that is a very strong League. Brixton Old Boys are struggling in the Maccabi League.
Docklands Athletic v. Enfield Royals
Enfield Royals are from my team's League. They are now a mid-table side in Division Three but they still have a lot of players signed up who played for them when they were in the Premier Division 2 or 3 years ago and it appears they are wheeling those players out for this competition and giving others a game in League matches. (It is supposed to be their old Reserve side having dropped their First Team out).
Docklands Athletic though are top of the top Division in the London & Kent Border League ! They run three teams in that League but this definitely appears to be their First Team as they have not entered the LFA Challenge or Intermediate Cups...unless they enter Kent County Cups ?
Beresford United v. Tufnell Park Rangers
Beresford United are another very good side from the North London Sunday League who I filmed in a couple of League Cup Finals last season (against Inter Trac). They had Montserrat International Nyron Dyer playing for them (amongst others) and I would expect them to get through this one. Tufnell Park Rangers play in something called 'The London Football League'. It's an Astroturf League and like Powerleague, you have to be a registered player with the League to view the League Tables ! They are therefore a bit of a mystery ! Wink

I would say the winners of the LFA Sunday Junior Cup this season will be one out of Tristars & Deloitte, Greenhouse Bethwin, Lord Stanley or Docklands Athletic. I hope I'm wrong though, as I would like to see one of the four teams I have seen/played against before get through. (Inter Trac, Ship, Enfield Royals or Beresford United). We shall see.


Here's the results from the Fourth Round (last 16) of the London F.A. Sunday Junior Cup (played on Sunday 15th January):
Burgess United 1 v 3 Inter Trac
Ship 2 v 1 Cultural (Great result for The Ship !)
Bari Reserves 4 v 0 AFC Avalon
Greenhouse Bethwin 5 v 0 Santley Lions
Brixton Old Boys 1 v 5 Lord Stanley
Docklands Athletic 4 v 3 Enfield Royals (according to Enfield Royals, although it says 3-2 on Docklands Athletic's League website !?)
Beresford United 1 v 4 Tufnell Park Rangers
Bromley Knights v. Deloitte & Tristars was postponed. (Frozen pitch ?)
Most games going to form then, but with Tufnell Park Rangers confirming they are indeed an unknown quantity !

Meanwhile, in the delayed Third Round (last 16) tie in the London F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup (played on Sunday 15th January)...
Sporting Santos 4 v 2 Charlton United
I think we can safely say that Sporting Santos will be a threat to Lapton and Yalova judging by that result. They play Away to Phoenix in the Quarter-Finals on Sunday 29th January.

and finally, in the Waltham Sunday League yesterday...
Enfield Rangers 5 v 1 The Kings Head (League Challenge Cup) The recent influx of ex-I.M.L. players has obviously done Enfield Rangers the power of good !
F.C. Alpha 1 v 3 Larsens (League Senior Cup) A bit of a shock result, but I suspect Larsens had most of their star Semi-Pro players playing. Keep trying the link above. Their line-up should be listed shortly.

Edmonton Rovers drew 2-2 Away to FC Rosemill in a 'meaningless' mid-table Division One match. Unsure



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Is anyone aware of where I may be able to find a East London/West Essex Sunday League Pyramid?

Or failing that, a list of leagues and their potential quality.

Cheers


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Forest Gump: depending on what level you of play you are interested in, the strongest East London and West Essex leagues are the Essex Sunday Corinthian League and the Hackney and Leyton League:

Essex Sunday Corinthian League: http://www.escfl.co.uk/escfl/tables

The two best teams from this league (Greengate and Sungate) both entered the FA National Sunday Cup this season. Sungate are still in the cup and are through to the 4th round after beating a very good Northampton Duke of York FC who reached the semi-finals last year. Sungate are also through to round 4 of the Essex FA Sunday Premier Cup (for the elite Sunday teams in Essex) - a competition they won in 2008. Greengate are the current holders of the London FA Sunday Intermediate Cup and many of their players also play semi-pro on Saturdays for Eton Manor in the Essex Senior League (step 5).

Hackney and Leyton League: http://www.hackneyandleytonfootballleague.co.uk/ and http://www.football.mitoo.co.uk/LeagueTab.cfm?TblName=Matches&DivisionID=19402&LeagueCode=HLSFL2011

The best team in this league is Lapton FC who are currently undefeated with a 100% record in all competitions this season (you can read more about their exploits earlier in this thread). Their best players play for Chesham Utd in the Southern League (step 3) and in the Essex Senior League (step 5). Lapton are through to the quarter-finals of the London FA Sunday Intermediate Cup (after crushing wins of 11-2, 7-0 and 7-1 in the first 3 rounds), and Clapton Rangers are in the London FA Sunday Challenge Cup. The best teams in this league usually have players who also play play semi-pro on Saturdays for Waltham Forest FC in the Ryman League (step 4), Essex Senior League (step 5) and Middlesex County League (step 7).

Here are some other Sunday leagues in that area (who are not as strong as the two leagues above):

East London Sunday League: http://football.mitoo.co.uk/LeagueTab.cfm?TblName=Matches&DivisionID=18210&LeagueCode=ELSFL2011

Essex Sunday Football Combination: http://www.leaguewebsite.co.uk/esfc/Divisions

Hughesvideo, you said The Ship would give Enfield Rangers a tough game. 5-1 win to Enfield Rangers does not indicate a very tough match for them! Laugh I was surprised that Charlton Utd lost 2-4 to Sporting Santos though (Charlton's first loss of the season).Shocked Should be a good game between Santos and Camden league giants Phoenix FC.


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Cheers for that very detailed reply. I had a vague awareness of those two, especially the Hackney and District, thanks to the Waltham Forest connection.

However, I was looking more for the weaker leagues out there! Wink

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