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stevegraze
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FC Bentons were winning 2-1 but had received 2 red cards/been reduced to 9 men when the ref abandoned the game. FC Bentons claim that "both teams [are] puzzled as to why" the game was abandoned.


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So Sporting Club de Mundial aren't actually a new club. Last season they played in the bottom division of the Hackney & Leyton League (and went unbeaten / perhaps won every game + topped the league), prior to that they were in (I believe) the Musical Associations league.

I guess the confusing aspect of this that they were previously known as The Gun. However, towards the end of last season they:
a) Realised the other clubs in the bottom league(s) are pretty rubbish (I play for one of them, so can sympathise! We are bad!)
b) Played a double header - at the same kick off time, at which point I guessed that they realised they had the depth for 2 teams.
c) Won a cup (or two), thus showing they could compete and beat pretty much any other team in the H&L leagues.

This season the are reincarnated into 2 teams - the core 'The Gun' team in the premier division as Sporting Club De Mundial - no doubt with a few additions, and their second team as 'The Gun' in division 3. Now that the core Gun squad has moved to the premier and into Mundial, The Gun are getting fairly round-housed in Division 3.

If you ever want to see their pedigree; head to The Gun pub in Homerton, im not sure if its still the case, but upstairs they had a veritable trophy cabinet above the bar there.


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Thanks for the additional context re The Gun/Mundial. I am intrigued about them playing a double header with identical kick-off times. How on earth did they manage that?! (and why/how did the league sanction that?)

I see what you mean about The Gun's trophy hunters. They did the trebele last season: winning the Hackney and Leyton League Div 4, and the Jack Morgan Cup, and the H and L Junior Cup.

Re The Gun "becoming" Mundial. Are there actual links between the 2 clubs? Or was it just a case of several Gun players "transferring" to Mundial? I ask because Mundial released publicity in pre-season asking for players to try out for their new team. That very much made it sound as if they were starting a new team. They also spoke of playing their "debut" game in September of this year. Their social media feeds also mentioned this being their "first season".




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So Sporting Club de Mundial aren't actually a new club. Last season they played in the bottom division of the Hackney & Leyton League (and went unbeaten / perhaps won every game + topped the league), prior to that they were in (I believe) the Musical Associations league.

I guess the confusing aspect of this that they were previously known as The Gun. However, towards the end of last season they:
a) Realised the other clubs in the bottom league(s) are pretty rubbish (I play for one of them, so can sympathise! We are bad!)
b) Played a double header - at the same kick off time, at which point I guessed that they realised they had the depth for 2 teams.
c) Won a cup (or two), thus showing they could compete and beat pretty much any other team in the H&L leagues.

This season the are reincarnated into 2 teams - the core 'The Gun' team in the premier division as Sporting Club De Mundial - no doubt with a few additions, and their second team as 'The Gun' in division 3. Now that the core Gun squad has moved to the premier and into Mundial, The Gun are getting fairly round-housed in Division 3.

If you ever want to see their pedigree; head to The Gun pub in Homerton, im not sure if its still the case, but upstairs they had a veritable trophy cabinet above the bar there.



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AGunner
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Towards the end of last season they were running behind in terms of games played (this always tends to happen after Easter/frozen pitches/flooding/Hackney Half Marathon), so the weekend of (I believe 28th April) they played CP Rangers and Wojak at the same time. Beat them both as far as I remember.

They have always been a very well run team - run much more like a high end amateur team than a 4th Division H&L team.

In terms of links between the clubs - I don't know many of the players by sight (and as I say, they had a fair few players even last season) but Mundial's manager/club secretary is the Gun's from last season, plus their top scorer and their centre back. Would be interesting to see squad photos between the two.

The understanding of our club secretary was simply that the Gun had split into an A and a B team, with the A team continuing to be run by Alan and re-branding under sponsorship (and I am sure that they subsequently went recruiting over summer to strengthen which is totally understandable).


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stevegraze
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Thanks again for the responses. Appreciated.

Here are team photos for Sporting Club de Mundial and The Gun's trophy laden team photo. Notice any similarities/differences? To be fair I notice 2-3 players in both photos (including the player with a blonde ponytail).

The Gun seem to have a trophy laden history and won the BT Sport Pub Cup (BT's own version of the FA Sunday Cup I suppose). Based on Mundial's results this season, if there players were in Div 4 last season, they certainly had no business playing so many divisions down.


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Speaking of Sporting Club de Mundial, they took to the FA Sunday Cup like ducks to water.


They are off to a flying start this season, being unbeaten in all competitions with a 100% record in league and cup games. They got a W/O victory in round 1 over former FA Sunday Cup finalists Barnes Albion. They are also doing well in their first season – competing in the London FA’s Sunday Junior Cup. They had another W/O in round 1 of that cup against Madness FC Sunday, followed by an 8-0 demolition of AC Milano away, and then a 3-0 victory in round 3 last weekend against fellow Hackney and Leyton League team NW London Reserves (who play in Div 1 of the same league whereas Mundial play in the Premier Div).

Their FA Sunday Cup round 2 game was against Old Southall FC who are the current holders of the Middlesex FA Sunday Premier Cup and champions of the Middlesex County Football League (Sundays). They have an outstanding player in midfield: Bilal Butt, who is a candidate to represent Pakistan’s national football team!


In the first ever FA Sunday Cup game to be played at Hackney Marshes (how did the Marshes satisfy the FA's ground requirements?!), SCDM were 2-0 up at HT. After Southall were reduced to 10 men (after a red card for a second bookable offence) in the second half, SCDM increased the winning margin, and put Old Southall to the sword with a 6-1 demolition.


stevegraze
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For those interested in watching some FA Sunday national cup matches and London Sunday FA Sunday Challenge Cup matches this weekend I have posted previews of some games coming up this Sunday on this thread.


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I'm just writing up some news on the FA Sunday Cup and know someone with more knowledge than me will know the answer to this. The first round tie between NLO and FC Bentons is showns as Abandoned due to misconduct subject to appeal.

Did both teams get kicked out as they are not shown in Round Two? and what happened?


You'll probably know by now that NLO were awarded the match. The FA's rap sheet is issued monthly and the October edition shows the disciplinary cases brought against Benton (near the top at http://www.thefa.com/...arges---october-2019).
In short, a man sent off wouldn't leave and, later in the game, a variety of alleged abuse and misconduct offences leading up the abandonment after about an hour.


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We have spoken before on this thread about the good work that "social media" savvy Sunday league teams like SE Dons, Mile End Baiteze, Rising Ballers, Edmonton Rovers etc have done to raise the profile and quality of Sunday football by filming their games. Perhaps the most well known of these is SE Dons of the OBDSFL. They are an asset to their league and the Kent FA and their huge social media following was instrumental to the Kent FA getting a record attendance of over 2000 paying fans in the final of last season's Kent FA Sunday Premier Cup (which SE Dons won). To put that into perspective, that is a higher gate that most teams get in the FA Cup qualifying rounds, and that Step 4 and 5 teams get in FA Vase/Trophy games etc. They have even reached an agreement with Isthmian League club Cray Wanderers to play their home games at Cray's new stadium.

However the club may be in hot water. The referee abandoned their most recent match against FC Bickley after someone (allegedly a member of the SE Dons entourage) struck the referee with the score at 3-2 to SE Dons. The fact that the game was filmed and that the ref in question is allegedly a league committee member, makes it very unlikely that this issue will "go away". However the OBDSFL will be in a tough position. They have previously expelled teams with poor disciplinary records. However if they "throw the book" at the Dons and expel them, they will sever a source of great interest and revenue to their league. It could also have ramifications beyond their league as the Dons are also playing in the London and Kent FAs county cups. Their expulsion may also decrease interest and attendance in their county cups.

Stay tuned...


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We have spoken before on this thread about the good work that "social media" savvy Sunday league teams like SE Dons, Mile End Baiteze, Rising Ballers, Edmonton Rovers etc have done to raise the profile and quality of Sunday football by filming their games. Perhaps the most well known of these is SE Dons of the OBDSFL. They are an asset to their league and the Kent FA and their huge social media following was instrumental to the Kent FA getting a record attendance of over 2000 paying fans in the final of last season's Kent FA Sunday Premier Cup (which SE Dons won). To put that into perspective, that is a higher gate that most teams get in the FA Cup qualifying rounds, and that Step 4 and 5 teams get in FA Vase/Trophy games etc. They have even reached an agreement with Isthmian League club Cray Wanderers to play their home games at Cray's new stadium.

However the club may be in hot water. The referee abandoned their most recent match against FC Bickley after someone (allegedly a member of the SE Dons entourage) struck the referee with the score at 3-2 to SE Dons. The fact that the game was filmed and that the ref in question is allegedly a league committee member, makes it very unlikely that this issue will "go away". However the OBDSFL will be in a tough position. They have previously expelled teams with poor disciplinary records. However if they "throw the book" at the Dons and expel them, they will sever a source of great interest and revenue to their league. It could also have ramifications beyond their league as the Dons are also playing in the London and Kent FAs county cups. Their expulsion may also decrease interest and attendance in their county cups.

Stay tuned...

Myself and other Barnet Sunday League Committee members will indeed be watching this with interest as we also had a game between two You Tube teams abandoned recently because the Referee didn't feel it was safe for the match to continue due to the number of 'supporters' on the touchline coming on and off the pitch. The matter is now being dealt with by the respective County FA's.

Of course in Sunday League football there are no touchline barriers or stewards to stop spectators doing that, so it is going to continue being an ever-increasing problem when the more 'flare-ups/verbals/banter' there are in a team's You Tube production, the more online viewers they are going to get, and subsequently the more spectators they are going to get. People will turn up to matches to get themselves in the next highlights upload doing something outrageous to attract more viewers.

This is why I have never gone down the 'flare-ups/verbals/banter' touchline-glorification route with my Edmonton Rovers match highlights and just filmed the match only. I only get 600 views per match compared to other teams thousands as most people think what I do is boring, but at least we are not going to bring the League into disrepute. We very rarely get any more than about 5 or 6 people coming along to watch our matches...and most of them are our substitutes, our Manager and myself !



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stevegraze
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I am glad you raised the issue of crowd/venue safety. Although the "YouTube clubs" do a great job of raising interest in Sunday football and attracting large crowds, do most Sunday leagues have the facilities to cope with those crowds? NLS football has stewards, terracing, and barriers to separate the spectators from the pitch and players. In many Sunday leagues where teams play on local park pitches, hundreds of spectators standing on the line often spill onto the pitch as they struggle to get a good view. That can cause a serious safety issue for players and match officials.

The "banter" that some of the teams use to describe their opponents can de disrespectful at times, and downright incendiary too. e.g. one YouTube team filmed their manager's team talk during which he casually dismissed teams they had played as "s**t teams". I think you can predict the type of tackling that will ensue the next time his team plays one of those "s**t teams". Then during the SE Dons -v- Mile End Baiteze pre-season "friendly" the SE Dons entourage and 1-2 of their players did a good job of whipping the large crowd into a frenzy with shouts of "Baiteze ain't welcome here!", the Dons captain having a boxing style nose to nose staredown before KO with his opposite captain, and x-rated tackling from both teams (no doubt fuelled by the pre-match and during match "banter" (AKA personal abuse) that both teams directed at each other. The atmosphere was so charged that it resembled a poisonous cup derby rather than a pre-season friendly to give players a run-out and build match fitness.

The irony with this latest Dons incident is that their camera may end up being their accuser/evidence against them. The attack on the referee was probably filmed and the league may demand footage of the incident. If they get it and if the rumours about the identity of the assailant and his relationship to the club are accurate, they could be in big trouble and unravel the excellent work they have done over the last few years.

*Side notes* - I noticed that the Dons squad includes Zak Ansah (son of former Brighton and Leyton Orient pro footballer Andy Ansah) who also plays for Herne Bay in the Isthmian League at Step 4, and former Baldon Sports forward Ryan Dolby who was part of their many successful teams (along with about 5-6 other members of the Dolby family!).


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Myself and other Barnet Sunday League Committee members will indeed be watching this with interest as we also had a game between two You Tube teams abandoned recently because the Referee didn't feel it was safe for the match to continue due to the number of 'supporters' on the touchline coming on and off the pitch. The matter is now being dealt with by the respective County FA's.

Of course in Sunday League football there are no touchline barriers or stewards to stop spectators doing that, so it is going to continue being an ever-increasing problem when the more 'flare-ups/verbals/banter' there are in a team's You Tube production, the more online viewers they are going to get, and subsequently the more spectators they are going to get. People will turn up to matches to get themselves in the next highlights upload doing something outrageous to attract more viewers.

This is why I have never gone down the 'flare-ups/verbals/banter' touchline-glorification route with my Edmonton Rovers match highlights and just filmed the match only. I only get 600 views per match compared to other teams thousands as most people think what I do is boring, but at least we are not going to bring the League into disrepute. We very rarely get any more than about 5 or 6 people coming along to watch our matches...and most of them are our substitutes, our Manager and myself !



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"The Unbeaten Vs The Undefeated" [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

It is the QF stage of the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup. I have posted the previews (Sunday Dec 1, 2019) on this year's trophy thread, including game locations and KO times.
The must see tie is SE Dons v Lambeth All Stars. It is one of the most widely anticipated Sunday league games in years - and is being billed as “The Unbeaten Vs The Undefeated”. There will likely be a crowd of several hundred people at this game.

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