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The_Player
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New to these forums and to be honest I think they're a great find!!

Would like to say that nobodies really mentioned some of the teams from North West London in the Hendon & District League (HDSFL). There are a few sides there that have some pedigree and the Hendon & District League has had a lot of success in the Middlesex county cups winning the Premier and Intermediate cups on a number of occasions in recent years. The most notable sides from the HDSFL are Kings United and St Andrews and to a lesser extent Highgate Albion.

Also if it's the same Enfield Rangers, St. Andrews have done the number on those boys a few times and last year NLO (one of the new powers) in the HDSFL beat Enfield Rangers in the Middlesex cup before getting knocked out in the quarter finals.

Anyway, recently (last 2 years) the HDSFL has not been as strong as St. Andrews are no more and a lot of players have left Kings United.

It would be excellent to get some of the winners of the Home County Cups and the London FA Cup to play against one another in some sort of champions league.

On a seperate note that Edmonton Rovers Striker Conor McGovern looks quality. I've been watching Edmonton Rovers for the past hour and he looks an excellent player.



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Can I just say that I have heard of Highgate Albion and they actually beat the side I was playing for (at the time) in the London Junior cup, in the latter rounds about 4 years ago but despite always getting to the latter rounds of the junior cup they don't seem to have got much further in recent years either so I don't see them as that strong a side and I haven't heard of Kings United or St Andrews so can't comment on either of those but do they enter the sunday FA cup or challenge cup, how do they get on in those?


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I notice that NLO (otherwise known as North London Olympians) are now London F.A. affiliated and will be playing Away to Albion Manor (from the Hackney & Leyton Sunday League) in the First Round of the London F.A. Sunday Challenge Cup in October. Should be an interesting match, as NLO did indeed beat Enfield Rangers in the Middlesex Sunday Premier Cup last season, which is some result.

Another match worth watching in that First Round will be Continental (from our League) against Panthea (from the KOPA League). Both had very good starts to their season last Sunday. Continental beat us 3-1 in Pre-Season and looked very impressive with a lot of new signings. They might be on the way back up to the levels they were in the 70's & 80's when they won the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup three times.

As for our striker Conor McGovern, unfortunately he has been out injured for several months, and at 39 now, he might have played his last game for us. He is based in Leigh-On-Sea nowadays, and you don't get too many Sunday League footballers travelling long distances like that unless they are guaranteed a place in the starting line-up. He accepts that we need to bring in younger players and look to the future. He has been a quality player for us over the years in two different spells...1991-1996 and then from 2001 onwards. He had a five-year spell in-between playing for Hoddesdon Town (when they were one of the better teams in the Spartan South Midlands League Premier Division) and then St. Margaretsbury (in the same division). They both got him playing as a target man centre-forward just because of his height, but that isn't really his game at all. He is better at getting the ball at his feet and taking defenders on down the channels...very similar to Milwall's Steve Morison.
I don't think either team really used Conor to the best of his ability, but that's what you got at Step 5 level back then. Very much a long ball percentage game and I presume it hasn't changed much ?



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Kings United never entered the FA Sunday Cup and St. Andrews only entered twice. The furthest St. Andrews got was the Quarter-Finals (07/08) before being knocked-out 4-0 by Hetton Lyons Cricket Club who are actually the current holders of the FA Sunday Cup now.

Highgate Albion are a decent side, they are probably the best run club in the HDSFL. They are affiliated with both the London & Middlesex FA and have a lot of players to choose from.




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Hi guys, first time user on this site.

With regards to the new/ percieved weaker teams choosing to enter the Intermediate Cup, my team actually applied to the Junior Cup this year but was refused entry, and instead placed in the Intermediate Cup for "footballing reasons".

Hopefully this wasn't just to make up the numbers....certainly felt a bit odd considering this was the first time we have applied to any London FA Cup?!

Anyway, we'll see how we get on.


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Who's your team? And are there any other teams in your division entering London cups? I agree it would be a bit rough for it to be a decision based on numbers, but if other teams in your division are in the Intermediate then it would seem fair.


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Cope1 - my team is London Aberdeen, from the APSCIL league (Association of Provincial Supporters Clubs in London).

I think Exeter Exiles reached the quarter finals of the Junior Cup last year, and its from them that we got the idea of entering this year.


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I see you had a pretty good year last year - perhaps they think the Intermediate would be more of a challenge.
That probably sounds patronising but I know the AFA have taken a bit of stick in the past for underestimating new clubs, and I think they've erred on the side of challenging them more since, and letting them drop down if it really doesn't work out. Maybe London are doing the same.

Personally I think cups like these should be based on divisions - it seems mad to me that 2 teams in the same division end up in completely different levels of cups.


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Yes you are probably right but having read some of the posts on here our Sunday Football is very much social rather than anything else, so hopefully we aren't out of place and don't embarrass ourselves.


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Scottorae I see that you beat a team from the league my side is in L S Sports in the first round of the intermediate cup and it looks like you have a tough but winnable match in the next round against Chandler Athletic from the Prem Division of the Met league so good luck in that match. My side was the team that knocked out Exeter Exiles in the quarters last year 5-0 and I see that they are already out in the first round this year of the junior or we could possibly have met them again this year as well in a further round. I am surprised that you say the FA put you in the intermediate and it seems that it may have been down to the low numbers, I don't understand where all the teams that entered last year have gone?? I also don't know why L S Sports are in that cup as they finished bottom of our prem division last year and only didn't get relegated due to two teams folding.


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Yes, we beat LS on Sunday. We know nothing of any team so very much a learning process for us this year - apparently LS were saying they fancied beating Chandler in the next round but they were prone to mouthing off a fair bit so we'll take that with a pinch of salt ha ha!

Exeter tend to finish midtable in our league, we beat them 3 times last season, but they did say that last year there is a lot of luck in who you will turn out against, i.e they would sometimes play a team sitiing top of the table and they would only arrive with 10 or 11 and stuff like that?

Just out of interest, are Chandler a "Vets" team as they play in the Senior league or is this just another way of saying they are playing at a decent standard ie the Senior league? Either way think they will be far too strong than us - LS took it all quite seriously ha ha!


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That maybe their experience last year and i think that in some of the early rounds (certainly in the junior cup) you can get sides like that but definitely from the quarters onwards i think all the sides are pretty serious. Last year we got to the semis and we certainly had 'good' draws in that we didn't play any of the very strongest teams until the semis (and got well beaten 4-1 on the day), from the sides in the intermediate cup though i think virtually all the sides take it seriously and are pretty decent footballing sides to be honest. If you get past Chandler, who i have never actually seen play but i know they are a half decent side you will have done very well but from there on in it looks very tough indeed as there are teams in there that will be looking to go a step or two beyond how they performed in last few years competition and are more than capable there are no easy games really. As i have already stated on this website Charlton United are an exceptional side plus you have Bari, Edmonton Rovers, Yavravtun, Greengate, Enfield Royals and Cetinkya who will all be progressing through. As for L S Sport yes they are a very 'mouthy' team typical of many black side's (and I am black!) before anyone says anything and we also beat them 3 times last season in league and cup quite comfortably but they can be a good side on any given day so you obviously done well to beat them. I think you have a good chance against Chandler as with most of the ties in these cups it is a cliche but it is very much 'on the day' how your own players raise their game or are mentally ready because you can beat sides that in reality are better than you. We actually 'went out' in the second round last year against a team that never lost another game in the whole season but the game was replayed because the match went ahead with no nets and we beat them in the re-arranged game 2-0 and that was their only league or cup defeat all year.


darney
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As i say i have never seen Chandler play but I seriously doubt they are a vets team as i know the other teams in their league and they are not vets sides so i don't see them playing in that league as a vets team and competing (even though they are currently bottom) i can't see them winning the senior league as a vets team - not saying that you can't get decent vets sides either by the way!


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Darney. I don't think Baldon have much to prove. They've been in the Challenge Cup final THREE TIMES IN A ROW! Will be interesting to see how they get on in the Metropolitan League. Hope they have strong refs in that league bc Baldon have a lot of aggro in their blood!

Hope you guys that go along to the games post really detailed reports like we did last season.

Very suspicious that the LFA is putting new teams into the Intermediate Cup. Seems that they are just trying to make upthe numbers!


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Very suspicious that the LFA is putting new teams into the Intermediate Cup. Seems that they are just trying to make upthe numbers!


I think it is more likely because they have got yet another new person in charge of the LFA Cup competitions this season who is not aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the various Sunday Leagues and where teams finished in their Leagues the previous season, although as I mentioned before, the decisions on which teams enter which Sunday Cups are supposed to be made by a Committee. Maybe some of us on this thread (and the Club Secretaries of teams who have been entering LFA Sunday Cups for years) should be asked for our opinions first ? Wink
It would also help if the London F.A. kept an archive of all previous seasons' LFA Sunday Cup results on their website for referrral. They certainly used to until a couple of seasons ago, but it looks like they have all now been binned !

The lady who was doing the LFA Sunday Cup competitions last season got the results up on the website pretty much straight away, but there is nothing on there yet for this season, which is pretty frustrating I have to say. The First Round of the LFA Sunday Junior Cup was played two weeks ago, and for those of us in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup, there are no results from the First Round played last Sunday (19th Sept) either. Not all League websites display County Cup results involving their teams, so it's not easy to find out who got through.



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Hughesy I called the FA regarding why the results were not up and it is a different person doing it this year (the lady doing it last year was very helpful!) and he said that he does not have all the results for the first round!?! I have managed to find most of the results myself by looking at the individual websites but as you said some of them don't have the LFA cup results. I don't understand why they can't put up the results that are through though as this is what they have done in previous years i don't think its exactly time consuming is it?, very annoying when you want to know something and it isn't available for weeks.


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he said that he does not have all the results for the first round!?!


There'll be a lot of teams getting fined then by the sound of it !? Sly



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*sigh* LFA are not doing wonders for the reputation of London football are they?

I'm not too familiar with the teams in the Junior Cup but for the intermediate and challenge cups, I'd keep an eye on the following:

Intermediate Cup


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Challenge Cup

New Salamis
Baldon Sports
Clapton Rangers
North West Neasden

Will also be interesting to see how Baldon's reserves get on in the junior cup.


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*sigh* LFA are not doing wonders for the reputation of London football are they?

I'm not too familiar with the teams in the Junior Cup but for the intermediate and challenge cups, I'd keep an eye on the following:

Intermediate Cup


Yavruvatan
Faithfold

Challenge Cup

New Salamis
Baldon Sports
Clapton Rangers
North West Neasden

Will also be interesting to see how Baldon's reserves get on in the junior cup.




Is their any site confirming kick off times and venues for this Sundays's Challenge Cup ties? TIA!


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Is their any site confirming kick off times and venues for this Sundays's Challenge Cup ties? TIA!


The London F.A. never put kick-off times and venues on their website, but the general rule is that morning matches kick-off at 10.30.a.m. and afternoon matches start at 2.00.p.m.
Most, if not all of the matches listed here for the 3rd October will be 10.30.a.m. kick-offs I would have thought. It's generally only the Turkish Community Federation clubs who kick-off in the afternoons, especially those who play at Hackney Marshes.

As for the venues, the best way of finding out is to probably use the F.A.'s 'Find A Club' facility (using 'Search By Club Name' from the drop-down menu), then do a double-check on the League Website that the club plays in...a list of links to London Sunday Leagues are here on the Waltham Sunday League website. However, a lot of League websites don't even mention County Cup fixtures & results for their participating teams.
So...good luck if you manage to find confirmation of anything ! Wink

The best matches seem to be in the second half of the First Round draw (to be played on Sunday 10th October).
I would highly recommend Continental v. Panthea and New Salamis v. London Maccabi Lions.
Akincilar (the top Turkish Community team) v. Omonia would have been a 'bit tasty' a few years ago, but Omonia are now in the Second Division of the KOPA League and are not the force they were.

As for this Sunday (3rd October), Baldon Sports v. Rizorkarpasso is probably the best bet for an interesting game. I would expect Baldon to win that reasonably comfortably though.



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I had intended to go to the Hatcham v Clapton Rangers tie but I have been informed that Clapton Rangers are unable to fulfill this fixture and that Hatcham will therefore get a bye into the next round.


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If any of you are looking for an LFA Sunday Challenge Cup game this Sunday then my own team, Kenningwell United are at home to Groundhoppers, 10.30 kick off at our new home ground - Southwark Sports Ground (Peckham Town FC), 37 Dulwich Common, SE21 7EU.

Entry is free but we do charge 2 for a copy of our programme, which is normally around 30 pages long. Tea and coffee is also available pre and post match.


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Thanks, I'll try and get along to that one!


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The LFA have finally got the First Round results online from the Sunday Intermediate Cup.
http://www.londonfa.com/...intermediatecup1.htm

Hopefully the LFA Sunday Junior Cup results will follow shortly here ?
http://www.londonfa.com/...ps/sunjuniorcup1.htm



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In no way defending the LFA but they did change the results phone in number. For our Reserve's Junior Cup match last week I only received an email with the new number a day or two before the match. This may explain the delay in the posting of the results on their site.


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