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Mishi
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The programme stated that The Lounge are made up of Ryman Premier, Ryman One South & Combined Counties League players, but didn't say which clubs. They took the lead, before Baldon equalised. Then went 2-1 up in the second half. Baldon equalised, but their keeper let in a soft goal with not long to go, & added a fourth soon after. no red cards, but the game 'bubbled' a little. The Lounge deserved their win, looking a good side, who played with a smile on their face, it was as if they never doubted their ability. Baldon didn't play badly, & are a good side as people say. The Lounge could have a superb run in the Sunday Cup, as Holderness did last season.

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Ben Penfold

James Deacons

Tom Jelley

Teon Hayward

Paul Hunt

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Luke Gay

Chris Lewin

Aaron Hays

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Dan O'Brien

Sam Robinson

Darren Woods



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Thanks for the report Mishi. Seems The Lounge are a very good team who made a strong start to the season (4 games, 4 wins, 21 goals scored this season). Most of their players play for Banstead Athletic (Combined Counties League - Step 9), and Havant and Waterlooville (Conference South - step 5). Their Captain Matt Gray is an ex pro. Will be interesting to see how they get on when they play those really good teams from the Liverpool/Manchester area up north.

Bad few weeks for Baldon - knocked out of the LFA Challenge and FA National Cups in the first round. Back to the "bread and butter" of league football for them. Not surprised the game "bubbled" as you say. Seems every game with Baldon always has a rough edge. Their players do like a meaty tackle.

Anyone know how the other London teams got on? (Enfield Royals, Maccabi Lions, North West Neasden etc)


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Anyone know how the other London teams got on? (Enfield Royals, Maccabi Lions, North West Neasden etc)


You mean Enfield Rangers ? They beat London Maccabi Lions 5-1.
Neil Hughes (who plays for Enfield in the Essex Senior League) and Jackson Gash (ex-Hoddesdon Town) both scored two each.
That scoreline is no surprise on current form.

Waltham Sunday League Premier Division sides are also doing well in County Cups at the moment. Continental beat Panthea (from the KOPA League) in the London Sunday Challenge Cup, Upshire beat last season's Semi-Finalists Brush Rangers 2-1 Away in the Essex Sunday Premier Cup, and there is a game well worth watching this coming Sunday (24th October) in the Hertfordshire Sunday Senior Cup where Lea Valley Royals (who include ex-Norwich, West Brom & Leicester midfielder Lee Marshall) take on the current holders St. Josephs (South Oxhey). That game is taking place at Wormley Rovers F.C. 10.30.a.m. kick-off.

This coming Sunday also sees the Second Round of the London F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup being played, in which my team Edmonton Rovers take on Kensington Athletic from the Sportsmans Sunday League. We are unbeaten in our last three matches (which is very unusual for us !) and will be hoping to progress through to the Third Round and play either Charlton United or Cetinkaya Cinar.
Our fellow Waltham Sunday Leaguers Enfield Royals are Away to Faithfold, who are currently second in the Maccabi League Premier Division but have lost twice already. Enfield Royals are yet to win this season, but I predict a close game for that one.



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Yes I heard that the Lounge is made up of Banstead players as well, they also beat Hazelhurst (another quality side) 6-2 a few weeks ago but apparently it was a lot closer than that scoreline suggests.

Hughsie - Good luck on sunday in your cup match, hopefully you will get through and play either Charlton United or Cetinka that will be very interesting as will the next round be whoever gets through to play them. I personaly think that Cetinka will beat Charlton as they are not as strong defensively as they should be.

We are playing the team Gaziantepsor from Turkish second division and we are in good form having won 9-1 yesterday and they have won all there games thus far but i'm tipping us for a 3-2 away win!


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Hughsie - Good luck on sunday in your cup match, hopefully you will get through and play either Charlton United or Cetinka that will be very interesting as will the next round be whoever gets through to play them. I personaly think that Cetinka will beat Charlton as they are not as strong defensively as they should be.

I think that depends if Cetinkaya put Murat Karagul up front or not. When we beat them 1-0 in Pre-Season he was playing in defence, yet he has been banging in the goals for Broxbourne Borough and now Ware for several seasons now. Very good player, and they have others who play at Step 4 or 5 on Saturdays as well. I see they have not had a particulary good start to the season in the KOPA League though, but as we know, that is such a strong League.

My tip to win the London Sunday Intermediate Cup this season are F.C. Bickley. To be unbeaten at the top of the Senior Division (the top Division) in the Orpington & Bromley Sunday League means they must be pretty special as that is a very strong League. Again, it begs the question...what are they doing in the London Sunday Intermediate Cup ? Shocked



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The fact that you have beaten them will hopefully give you some sort of mental edge if you play them but as for Charlton they are now in the met senior division and are doing pretty well having won 3 although they lost their first game yesterday, the thing with them is they having attack minded players in virtually every position yet they always seem to concede even against weak teams so when they come up against teams that don't give away too many chances they don't seem to do as well, they prefer end to end games with lots of goals and they let you attack and kill you off on the counter many times it will be close between them and cetinka I feel it can go either way really.


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The programme stated that The Lounge are made up of Ryman Premier, Ryman One South & Combined Counties League players, but didn't say which clubs. They took the lead, before Baldon equalised. Then went 2-1 up in the second half. Baldon equalised, but their keeper let in a soft goal with not long to go, & added a fourth soon after. no red cards, but the game 'bubbled' a little. The Lounge deserved their win, looking a good side, who played with a smile on their face, it was as if they never doubted their ability. Baldon didn't play badly, & are a good side as people say. The Lounge could have a superb run in the Sunday Cup, as Holderness did last season.

Their team was:

Ben Penfold

James Deacons

Tom Jelley

Teon Hayward

Paul Hunt

Steve Tyson

Tyrone Roberts

Matt Gray (captain)

Luke Gay

Chris Lewin

Aaron Hays

Subs:

Dan O'Brien

Sam Robinson

Darren Woods


We played Banstead on Saturday. As far as I recall none of those players were in the starting XI and Banstead didn't field anything othr than a normal team according to one of their fellas. The report on their website doesn't mention any of them either.
I recognise a couple of names though. Luke Gay and Tom Jelley play for Epsom & Ewell.


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Hughesvideo - sorry yes, I meant Enfield RANGERS. BTW, are the Broxbourne Rovers who used to play in the Waltham League, the same team that played at semi-pro level on Saturdays? (and merged with Enfield)
Also, why don't Enfield Rangers enter the LFA county cups?

Bad draws for Maccabi Lions in the Challenge and FA National Cups. They got put to the sword both times - losing to the holders New Salamis 7-2 (Challenge Cup) and then 5-1 to Enfield Rangers. A cracking fixture in round 2 though: North London Olympians -v- New Salamis - on paper, should be a cracking game. Holders versus a form team. Shame one of them has to go out this early. Another good fixture is Rozikoparsso -v- Akincilar in what will be a battle of Turkish teams. New Salamis -v- NLO has to be the tie of the round though.

I re-checked The Lounge's website. 3 Saturday teams come up consistently among their players: Banstead Athletic, Havant & Waterlooville and Epsom & Ewell.


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Hi Steve what is the website address for THe Lounge, where did you get it?


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Hughesvideo - sorry yes, I meant Enfield RANGERS. BTW, are the Broxbourne Rovers who used to play in the Waltham League, the same team that played at semi-pro level on Saturdays? (and merged with Enfield)
Also, why don't Enfield Rangers enter the LFA county cups?

That will be Brimsdown Rovers you are talking about there. Yes, they had teams in the Waltham Sunday League for many years and we had some great games with their First Team in Division One and then the Premier in the late-90's and early-2000's. They were pretty much the top team in the League (along with Percival) before Enfield Rangers started to dominate, and they also regularly entered the F.A. National Sunday Cup...and the London F.A. Sunday Challenge Cup. They folded up their mens' Sunday League sides about 5 or 6 years ago...I don't know why...and now of course, their Saturday section from the Spartan South Midlands League have merged with Enfield in the Essex Senior League (as opposed to Enfield Town in the Ryman League) and the name 'Brimsdown Rovers' is no more. They also had a big Youth setup under the Brimsdown Rovers name. I expect that is now merged as well. Both Enfield Town and Enfield (1893) play at the Brimsdown Sports & Social Club (Goldsdown Road) though, which is Brimsdown Rovers old ground. Brimsdown's Sunday sides initially played on the main pitch, but when Enfield Town turned it into a proper stadium, they played on the outside pitches, which are very poor. Maybe that was a factor in Brimsdown Rovers' Sunday teams demise ?

Regarding Enfield Rangers not entering the London F.A. Cups, what happens in the London Borough Of Enfield is that some teams (like ourselves and Enfield Royals) choose to affiliate to the London F.A. and others (such as Enfield Rangers and a couple of teams from our Division that we share our home pitch in Palmers Green (N13) with..St. Mary's (Edmonton) and McKenzie Rangers) choose to affiliate with the Middlesex F.A. This can be done because Enfield is a London borough, but Enfield's postcodes are in Middlesex. Edmonton & Palmers Green are areas in the London Borough of Enfield but their postcodes are in London. However, the Middlesex F.A. allow teams to affiliate to them whose home grounds are in those London postcodes because Enfield is in Middlesex. Hope you are still with me there ? Sly

For most teams in Enfield, the choice of which County to affiliate to is based on where they prefer to travel for Away County Cup matches rather than the potential strength of the opposition. We have always affiliated to the London F.A. because most Away games are in East or South-East London, which is easy to get to from Edmonton. We prefer that to places like Hounslow, Staines & Harrow, which are much more difficult journeys. Enfield Rangers have always been affiliated to the Middlesex F.A., so I don't think they would change that now just to test themselves against the likes of Baldon Sports, New Salamis, etc. I think they are happy to just meet teams from other Counties in the National Sunday Cup.



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Isaac
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Holderness? I assume you mean Hazelhurst?Wink


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The programme stated that The Lounge are made up of Ryman Premier, Ryman One South & Combined Counties League players, but didn't say which clubs. They took the lead, before Baldon equalised. Then went 2-1 up in the second half. Baldon equalised, but their keeper let in a soft goal with not long to go, & added a fourth soon after. no red cards, but the game 'bubbled' a little. The Lounge deserved their win, looking a good side, who played with a smile on their face, it was as if they never doubted their ability. Baldon didn't play badly, & are a good side as people say. The Lounge could have a superb run in the Sunday Cup, as Holderness did last season.

Their team was:

Ben Penfold

James Deacons

Tom Jelley

Teon Hayward

Paul Hunt

Steve Tyson

Tyrone Roberts

Matt Gray (captain)

Luke Gay

Chris Lewin

Aaron Hays

Subs:

Dan O'Brien

Sam Robinson

Darren Woods



Mishi
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Doh! I knew it was an 'aitch'!



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Hi Steve what is the website address for THe Lounge, where did you get it?


http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/theloungefc

Just had a little peek at some of their players. Graeme Banyard (Merstham's manager) occasionally plays for them!
He used to be manager of Banstead so I'm guessing the club started out from there. The teams listed in the player's profiles don't always show the Saturday team the player is currently playing for but they've certainly assembled some decent players there.


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Here's the draw for the next round of the F.A. National Sunday Cup. (Sunday 21st November).
Tripimeni-Aris v. Enfield Rangers. That'll be a good one to watch.

The Lounge are Away to AFC Donsville...a team I for one have not heard of before.



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Interesting day today with all the LFA games, How did you get on Hughesy?, hope you won but if you did you will be playing Charlton United as they beat Centinkaya 2-0 so you will have to do it the hard way as usual from what you said previously. So will my side in the junior cup as we beat Gaziantepsor 6-3 AET but we will now have to play either Wounded Knee or Sandmere who I know both are half decent sides. Gazi are actually an ok side no outstanding players apart from one centre half who I reckon has probably played professionally at some stage (maybe in a lower turkish league?) he looked that good but they are quite aggressive, strong and I can see why they roll sides in their league but we aren't easily intimidated and eventually prevailed, but it was a very good game all-round. I see Chandler beat Abeerdeen supporters club 4-3 how did the game go? sounds like a thriller.


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Interesting day today with all the LFA games, How did you get on Hughesy?, hope you won but if you did you will be playing Charlton United as they beat Centinkaya 2-0 so you will have to do it the hard way as usual from what you said previously.

Yes, I noticed that Charlton United result on the KOPA League website.

We beat Kensington Athletic 7-0 and to be honest we should have even doubled that tally. I felt a bit sorry for them really as we had to switch the venue to Enfield Playing Fields from our normal Home pitch in Palmers Green because Enfield Council have closed it down due to a Legionaires Disease scare in the changing rooms. It was further for them to travel so they decided to get a tube to Seven Sisters then a train to Enfield Town...only the old bill had shut Enfield Town station for some reason. They then got on a bus but that took them about 3 miles away from the playing fields, then they got lost. We kicked off nearly 45 minutes late and they turned up with just a bare eleven. Apparently 5 of their players didn't want to travel because it was 'too far'. (We know how they feel, as we have already got players moaning about travelling to Charlton on the 12th December when they are supposed to be doing Xmas shopping with the missus in the afternoon. Unsure)
Even so, it was another example of a team from a lower Division entering the wrong Cup I think. It was far too easy for us. At least they had a laugh with us though and they can't wait to watch the highlights on You Tube !

Enfield Royals lost 6-3 to Faithfold, but that's probably no surprise on current form. The all-KOPA League clash between Pendayia v. Brotherhood was also switched to Enfield Playing Fields and was being played on an adjoining pitch to us. It went into Extra-Time and I saw Brotherhood score a couple of goals during that period.



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See I don't personally subscribe to that. Why enter the Intermediate cup (or indeed the London cup) and moan about travelling?? I don't care where I have to travel to as long as there is a game at the end of it, today we had an hour and a half journey to Edmonton the kick off was later it went to extra time and there were delays during the game, but that's just me I love my football!! It's an adventure going to different grounds/places than your normal league games. As for xmas shopping why not do it on a saturday? or after the football on sunday, or another day why does it have to be the 12th!! I would never miss a game to do xmas shopping!! admittedly I aint got a missus at the moment but even if I did, I wouldn't. Anyway, hope you beat Charlton but from looking at some of your vids this year and knowing Charlton I think you will do extremely well to get through.


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See I don't personally subscribe to that. Why enter the Intermediate cup (or indeed the London cup) and moan about travelling?? I don't care where I have to travel to as long as there is a game at the end of it, today we had an hour and a half journey to Edmonton the kick off was later it went to extra time and there were delays during the game, but that's just me I love my football!! It's an adventure going to different grounds/places than your normal league games. As for xmas shopping why not do it on a saturday? or after the football on sunday, or another day why does it have to be the 12th!! I would never miss a game to do xmas shopping!! admittedly I aint got a missus at the moment but even if I did, I wouldn't. Anyway, hope you beat Charlton but from looking at some of your vids this year and knowing Charlton I think you will do extremely well to get through.


Was your match at Pymmes Park this morning, Darney ? The Turkish Community Football Federation hire the ground from Enfield Council. The pitches are played on constantly by the local Turkish, Somali and Congolese communities and they are in atrocious condition.

I agree with you regarding players not wanting to travel for London Cup matches. It's a terrible attitude and as a Club Secretary it really makes my blood boil. We lost 9-0 Away to (now defunct ?) Croydon Irish in the late-90's (a team full of Ryman League Premier Division players) and a number of our players deliberately got p!ssed the night before so they didn't have to drive. We then didn't have enough cars, so that was their excuse to drop out.

As for the Charlton United match, we know they are a very good side as they beat an in-form Enfield Royals 5-3 in last season's competition, and if we play like we did in our first three League matches this season we will lose for sure. However, we have turned it round recently and are unbeaten in our last four. We know we are capable of giving anybody a close game if we get a near full-strength side out. I think we proved that against Nacional De Londres and Yavruvatan last season. Also, we beat Cetinkaya Cinar 1-0 in Pre-Season with a number of key players missing, although admittedly our keeper played a blinder !



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Hi Hughesy yes we played at Pymmes park today not great pitches to be fair but our home ground in Charlton is not much better being honest. I saw some of the other turkish matches and the quality varied shall we say ours was a very close game where we were behind three times before pulling it back to 3-3 then we managed to take the lead in extra time and killed them off in the end but they were a team that don't give up much like ourselves and it made for a very good game which to be fair could have gone either way. We would like to get to the final of this competition but I am aware there are still a lot of quality sides left in this cup.

When I eventually get round to managing a side myself I won't be putting up with attitudes like that of players that don't want to travel or play. To be fair none of our lads today really complained even though it was an 8.40am meet today and we had 16 players available which was good.

Yes I forgot you beat Nacional De Londres last season who looked very decent and I think there isn't much difference ability wise between them and Charlton. Its not so much that Charlton are unbeatable its just that they are one of those sides that always seem to get out of difficult spots and score goals even when they aint playing well, case in point they were 4-1 down two weeks ago and beat a very good Holmsdale side 5-4 in a league match and they do it quite often. So even if say you went 2-0 up against them and were on top the game is nowhere near over, they get goals from everywhere and virtually anyone in their side. They also rarely keep a clean sheet but rarely fail to score either. They also have a striker called Craig Brack (Snowy) who even when he seems he aint in the game will invariably score so watch out for him the guy is phenominal.


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Highlights of Edmonton Rovers' 7-0 win against Kensington Athletic in the London F.A. Sunday Intermediate Cup Second Round last Sunday are now online here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHFef_4vOk

For other recent matches I have filmed, visit my You Tube channel here: http://www.youtube.com/user/hughesvideo
I am currently filming matches for Sutton United (Ryman League Premier Division) if anybody is interested. Wink

As I said before, fair play to Kensington Athletic. They didn't manage a single shot on target and we were always going to win by a big margin, even though we were actually missing 4 or 5 key players ourselves.
I don't know why they continue to enter the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup each season as they always lose heavily in the First Round (or Second Round if they get a Bye...as happened here). The London F.A. really must start looking at ways of ensuring that clubs go in the appropriate Sunday Cups that are a match for their ability and the division & League that they are playing in.

Here's a list of Sunday Leagues in the London area (on the right-hand side of this links page): http://www.walthamfootballleague.co.uk/links.html
If the London F.A. want a rough guide, I would say that all LFA-affiliated teams from the top division of the following 'strong' Leagues must enter the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup:
Cypriot (KOPA) League
Essex Sunday Corinthian League
Essex Sunday Football Combination
Waltham Sunday League
Turkish Community Football Federation
Hackney & Leyton Sunday League
Maccabi Sunday League
Metropolitan Sunday League
Morden Sunday League
Orpington & Bromley Sunday League
Sportsmans Senior Sunday League
Hendon & District Sunday League
In addition to that, the top Division Winners & Runners-Up in the following smaller/slightly weaker Leagues must also enter the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup (if they are LFA-affiliated clubs):
Camden Sunday League
Croydon Municipal Sunday League
Edmonton Sunday League
East London Sunday League
Kent Suburban Sunday League
London & Kent Border Sunday League (This used to be a strong League, but most of their better clubs now seem to have left and joined the Metropolitan Sunday League for this season ?)
Woolwich & Eltham Sunday Alliance

The LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup should then be strictly for Division One & Two teams in those 12 strongest Leagues (or in other words, the second & third highest-Divisions, as some Leagues don't call them 'Division One' or 'Division Two'), plus the remaining top Division teams in those other seven slightly weaker Leagues mentioned above, and the Winners & Runners-Up from the top division of the weakest Leagues that have not yet been mentioned.

All other teams (in the weakest Leagues or the lower divisions of the stronger Leagues) then go in the LFA Sunday Junior Cup, which they do in general at the moment anyway. It's the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup that is most definitely the problem, and I think it needs to be sorted out.

As for the LFA imposing compulsory entry for all Sunday teams into LFA Sunday Cup competitions (as the Herts, Middlesex & Essex F.A.'s do), that would be good if it happened, but there could be too many teams and it might be difficult to administer and get all the rounds played.
The Edmonton Sunday League actually don't allow any of their teams to enter LFA Sunday Cup competitions and never have done. There are 40 teams in that League and they are all London F.A. affiliated.

What do you think Stevegraze/Darney, etc. ?
Shall we start a campaign ? Wink



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darney
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I definitely feel that these London cups need to be organised, if that's the right word in a better way. However I'm not sure how they could do it effectively. As you say for teams like Kensington Athletic that enter the Intermediate regularly they should be put in the junior cup until they have proved in their results that they can compete at a higher level. It is only fair doing it that way as some teams can improve dramatically or get worse dramatically season to season and 'New' teams can be hard to judge their standard as teams are not always in the appropriate league they should be in. However if I look at the league my side competes in (Woolwich and Eltham Alliance Premier) I don't actually think there is any side in it good enough to compete in the Challenge cup at present, even the better sides. We are in the junior cup, we would probably do a bit in the Intermediate cup, I doubt we could win it but we definitely (in my opinion) aint good enough to go in the Challenge cup, nor is anyone else in our league for that matter (Charlton United now in the Met League). I think we won't go in the Intermediate until either A) We win the Junior Cup B) Get a mass influx of semi-pro players or C) Get to the final of the Junior Cup. Overall though I agree with how you rank the other respective Strong leagues and that those top teams go in the relevant cups, when it is patently obvious though that a team should be in the Junior cup and not the Intermediate then they should be refused that entry and in fact I believe that one club EY International were in this year's Junior cup but last year were in the Intermediate not sure if that was their own choice or the FA's though!


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I totally agree with all of the above, for example Highgate Albion 1st XI are a top side in the Hendon & District Sunday Football League. Every year they enter both the Sunday Middlesex County Cups and Sunday London FA Cups.

However, because the rules in Middlesex are more stringent they are forced to enter the Middlesex Premier Cup and because the Sunday London FA Cups have no rules they choose to enter the London Junior Cups, so supposedly they can get an easier ride to another trophy win (although they have not really done well in the junior cup).

So for the past 2 seasons they have entered the Middlesex Premier and London Junior Cups, this is after winning the Middlesex Intermediate Cup in 06 & 09'. I think this highlights how unfair the cups application system is and how allocating clubs to their right cups is necessary. Whats the point of having a Junior & Intermediate Cup if the best sunday teams are just going to downgrade themselves in search of an easier trophy? Thats the equivalent of Arsenal or Manchester United entering the FA Vase Cup.

So I reckon one of you 2 (Hughes/darney) should put a word in, you can be some sort of advisors to the London FA, how can they turn down a helping hand especially when it will allow them to do their job better and improve the whole Sunday cup system thus increasing everyones enjoyment



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Mr Hughes. Great points. You've done a great job of creating "co-efficients" for the various Sunday leagues in London. I agree with everything you said. It would make for much better competition if the LFA actually had rules for the Sunday cups rather than the current free for all where teams just enter any Cup they feel like. If champions of strong league were compulsorily made to enter the LFA Challenge Cup, it would make for awesome competition. Can you imagine e.g. New Salamis, Enfield Rangers, Baldon Sports, Lapton, Akincilar, Clapton Rangers, Aris, Yavruvaratan, NLO and Faithfold all in the Challenge Cup simultaneously?

That said, some of the "big" and well run Sunday sides start off in the Junior Cup, then move up to the Intermediate and Challenge Cups after winning the "lesser" cups. e.g. Aris won the Intermediate Cup 2 years running, then entered the Challenge Cup and won that 2 times in a row too. Albion Manor have always entered the Challenge Cup since they won the Intermediate Cup. Clapton Rangers worked their way up: won the Junior Cup, then Intermediate Cup the next year, and now enter the Challenge Cup.

Onto other matters. I wouldn't worry too much about Wounded Knee - average side.

What out for Faithfold and Yavruvatan in the Intermediate Cup.

Challenge Cup favourites have to be winners of New Salamis -v- NLO and Rizokarpasso and Akincilar. Why are those 4 giants playing each in the SECOND round?!


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Challenge Cup favourites have to be winners of New Salamis -v- NLO and Rizokarpasso and Akincilar. Why are those 4 giants playing each in the SECOND round?!


The NLO v. New Salamis match was played last Sunday a week ahead of the other matches...because NLO are also in the Middlesex Sunday Premier Cup on the same date. New Salamis won 5-3.

Have a look at New Salamis squad at the bottom of this page. Incredible really.
They have now signed up Ashley Taylor-Forbes, Jeff Hammond and Steven Velandia, all top-quality Ryman League players from the North London area to play alongside ex-Conference players Lee Protheroe, Grant Cooper & Michael Deane, who were all with them last season.
Several of the Greek-Cypriot players listed there have also either played in the Ryman League or professionally in Cyprus.

I will be surprised if there is any other Sunday League team in the Country with a squad as strong as that. It would be interesting to see New Salamis play in the F.A. National Sunday Cup, and with Baldon Sports already out of the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup this season, I can't see anyone other than New Salamis winning that particular competition again.

As for the London F.A. Sunday Junior Cup, watch out for the winners of the Enfield Crusaders v. Rolls Park match. They could well reach the Final. Rolls Park (from the top Division of the East London Sunday League) have one of our former players playing for them and they are previous winners of the competition, while Enfield Crusaders (from Division Two in the Waltham Sunday League) have signed up a lot of players from Cheshunt F.C.'s now-defunct Sunday side and they are much-improved this season. Some of those players have played for Cheshunt in Ryman Division One North.



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the lounge must be a good side to have won the league last year because i thought Hazlehurst were a good team when we played them in the surrey cup, they were full of conference south and ryman premier players and went very close to reaching the national cup final.

interestingly i think the regionalisation of the trophy is particularily harsh on the london clubs ( i know you can say the same for many areas of the country, im sure) and im sure if not for this format that there would be half a dozen or so making it to the last 16 imo. ( again im sure you could say this for a lot of regionalised FA comps)

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