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MrTangerineMan
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If not, what Michael Howard said today (and was lambasted for) might come off:

Donald and Vladamir grabbing Theresa by the... and declaring that 'it's on!'


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World war 3 soon



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Tick tock...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw


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Thing is the economy is currently stable and unemployment has fallen, Brexit may start with some hard times but things do get better after a while



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Thing is the economy is currently stable and unemployment has fallen, Brexit may start with some hard times but things do get better after a while


Stable apart from rising inflation, stagnant pay, growing household debt, National Debt of £1.6 trillion, a plummeting £ and a trade deficit of £3 billion per month.


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Thing is the economy is currently stable and unemployment has fallen, Brexit may start with some hard times but things do get better after a while


Tend to agree Gareth. I firmly believe things will be OK in the end. Even if we have to keep bankrolling the Scots!


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Thing is the economy is currently stable and unemployment has fallen, Brexit may start with some hard times but things do get better after a while


This is because we haven't actually left yet. Quite a few firms are waiting to find out what kind of Brexit we get, and if it's a hard one, then they'll be off and the shit will really hit the fan. Some are already in the process of leaving but haven't done it yet

http://www.reuters.com/...brexit-idUSL8N1HK35Y


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Thing is the economy is currently stable and unemployment has fallen, Brexit may start with some hard times but things do get better after a while


This is because we haven't actually left yet. Quite a few firms are waiting to find out what kind of Brexit we get, and if it's a hard one, then they'll be off and the shit will really hit the fan. Some are already in the process of leaving but haven't done it yet

http://www.reuters.com/...brexit-idUSL8N1HK35Y


And others are investing in British youngsters now that cheap labour from Eastern Europe won't be so readily available.

So when exactly is this downturn likely to happen? A bit like asking when Arsenal are going to win the league!


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Thing is the economy is currently stable and unemployment has fallen, Brexit may start with some hard times but things do get better after a while


This is because we haven't actually left yet. Quite a few firms are waiting to find out what kind of Brexit we get, and if it's a hard one, then they'll be off and the shit will really hit the fan. Some are already in the process of leaving but haven't done it yet

http://www.reuters.com/...brexit-idUSL8N1HK35Y


And others are investing in British youngsters now that cheap labour from Eastern Europe won't be so readily available.

So when exactly is this downturn likely to happen? A bit like asking when Arsenal are going to win the league!


Well, if it does happen, it'll probably be after we leave, because depending on what type of exit we have, that's when some firms will start having problems continuing their business with the EU.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, jobs are already moving overseas. The question is whether this continues at a small scale or whether the floodgates will open at some point.


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PaulC
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Thing is the economy is currently stable and unemployment has fallen, Brexit may start with some hard times but things do get better after a while


Tend to agree Gareth. I firmly believe things will be OK in the end. Even if we have to keep bankrolling the Scots!


How does a country in fiscal deficit bankroll anyone? Any ideas?


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Thing is the economy is currently stable and unemployment has fallen, Brexit may start with some hard times but things do get better after a while


Tend to agree Gareth. I firmly believe things will be OK in the end. Even if we have to keep bankrolling the Scots!


How does a country in fiscal deficit bankroll anyone? Any ideas?


Currently according to the latest published government figures Scotland receives £10k+ per head of population in direct subsidies from Westminster and if the oil price doesn't move northwards sharply then that is likely to increase.....

And what does The Rat Faced Dear Leader have to say about that.....http://www.heraldscotland.com/...ter_oil_price_slump/

Oh well, there's always another referendum in the offing to deflect the economic plight that our querulous cousins face.

Tongue


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Thing is the economy is currently stable and unemployment has fallen, Brexit may start with some hard times but things do get better after a while


Stable apart from rising inflation, stagnant pay, growing household debt, National Debt of £1.6 trillion, a plummeting £ and a trade deficit of £3 billion per month.


To look on the bright side, the way Donald is Trumping his way to the Big Bang Theory we probably won't need to worry about the economy anyway. Crazy Methinks letting his generals use their nice shiny toys in Syria and Afghanistan is intended to send a very loud message to Kim Fatty the Third in North Korea.

Now what should I do first, stock up on tinned goods and bottled water or search out that "Protect and Survive" booklet? Maybe I'll watch some Mad Max post apocalyptic living instructional films.

Brexit, Scexit. Small beer.


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To look on the bright side, the way Donald is Trumping his way to the Big Bang Theory we probably won't need to worry about the economy anyway. Crazy Methinks letting his generals use their nice shiny toys in Syria and Afghanistan is intended to send a very loud message to Kim Fatty the Third in North Korea.

Now what should I do first, stock up on tinned goods and bottled water or search out that "Protect and Survive" booklet? Maybe I'll watch some Mad Max post apocalyptic living instructional films.

Brexit, Scexit. Small beer.


I don't think Trump is too concerned about North Korea as long as they behave.

He was elected with a promise to "root out ISIS" and he'll try to do it.

And Assad "crossed the line" with Obama and nothing happened, he tried again with Trump... I don't think Assad will use chemical weapons again.


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And what does The Rat Faced Dear Leader have to say about that.....http://www.heraldscotland.com/...ter_oil_price_slump/

Tongue


Rat-faced?! Now you really have gone too far. The all-time unchallenged holder of that title is the late great Donald Dewar. He definitely didn't get by on his looks.


PaulC
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Thing is the economy is currently stable and unemployment has fallen, Brexit may start with some hard times but things do get better after a while


Tend to agree Gareth. I firmly believe things will be OK in the end. Even if we have to keep bankrolling the Scots!


How does a country in fiscal deficit bankroll anyone? Any ideas?


Currently according to the latest published government figures Scotland receives £10k+ per head of population in direct subsidies from Westminster and if the oil price doesn't move northwards sharply then that is likely to increase.....

And what does The Rat Faced Dear Leader have to say about that.....http://www.heraldscotland.com/...ter_oil_price_slump/

Oh well, there's always another referendum in the offing to deflect the economic plight that our querulous cousins face.

Tongue


How is Scotland subsidised by Westminster when Westminster is in fiscal deficit? I think we should be told.

LOL about the direct subsidies. Scotland receives from WM £27 billion and spends £27 billion. Beyond that Scotland is billed for a per capita share of all WM spending regardless of where it is spent, so for example iit pays for 9% of ghe cost of administering and running Central Govt almost all of which is spent in London. It is charged 9% of cost of running National museums and galleries nearly all of which are in London.

I could go on.

But do tell me how Scotland is subsidised by WM when WM is in deficit. I'm all ears.

Tell me, by applying the same nonsense, how much England is "subsidised" by WM.


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I'll ask this question separately since it might be missed - what is your source for your ridiculous statement of a subsidy of £10k per head from Westminster?


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I'll ask this question separately since it might be missed - what is your source for your ridiculous statement of a subsidy of £10k per head from Westminster?



Address your arguments to these guys Paul......

https://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn140.pdf

Doubtless you will interpret their figures to suit your argument.
Over and out Tongue


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Agree as I said Brexit could be start of great things, even poor areas off the uk could do well



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PaulC
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I'll ask this question separately since it might be missed - what is your source for your ridiculous statement of a subsidy of £10k per head from Westminster?



Address your arguments to these guys Paul......

https://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn140.pdf

Doubtless you will interpret their figures to suit your argument.
Over and out Tongue


Dearie me just how clueless are you Ronsdog?

Nowhere in your link is there anything remotely close to your ridiculous £10k per head subsidy assertion.

In fact, the article looks at only one side of the subsidy equation - spending for Scotland's benefit (per GERS). It states that at 2013-14 prices, Govt spending charged to Scotland in 2011-12 was £66.9 billion.

If we look at GERS for 2011-12
http://www.gov.scot/...cations/2013/03/1859

we find
Spending for Scotland's benefit was £64.5 billion (at 2011-12 prices)
Revenue raised from Scotland was £56.9 billion

Scotland's deficit was £7.6 billion which works out at £1500 per head.

However, it wasn't a subsidy from WM because the WM deficit was £121 billion - about £2000 per head.

You have scored a remarkable own goal.


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I really can't understand why Scotland is such pro Eu country



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'Yes' voting Scots believe that they will be automatically able to join the EU once the UK Brexits.

They don't realise that there might not be an EU to join in 2019! If both Marine Le Pen (France) and Frauke Petry (Germany) win in their respective countries General Elections, then the EU is effectively dead.

Plus, Scotland might well fail the EU's entry standards - they will take more than they contribute, and Germany will not want 'an extra mouth to feed' at the table.


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'Yes' voting Scots believe that they will be automatically able to join the EU once the UK Brexits.

They don't realise that there might not be an EU to join in 2019! If both Marine Le Pen (France) and Frauke Petry (Germany) win in their respective countries General Elections, then the EU is effectively dead.

Plus, Scotland might well fail the EU's entry standards - they will take more than they contribute, and Germany will not want 'an extra mouth to feed' at the table.


We all know that Scotland is far better off in the U.K. Rather than being an independent country inside the EU. The trading hole (if it leaves the UK) would make the UK shortfall driven by brexit look like pocket change, relatively.

I personally don't care what the Scots do, but I do ask they make a decision and stick with it. If they leave, so be it, the rest of us will be better off financially, but probably a little worse culturally.


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Plus, Scotland might well fail the EU's entry standards - they will take more than they contribute, and Germany will not want 'an extra mouth to feed' at the table.


I sometimes wonder how people in England are informed about Scotland.

I'm guessing it is by the London media which is singularly clueless of anything happening furth of the M25.

From your post you would think Scotland was some kind of pauper nation. The facts are rather different:

Scottish GDP is higher than the UK's. Were it not for London, which is effictively a city state, and which is a black hole for public spending, Scottish GDP is higher than England's.



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Looks impressive, but what happens when the oil and gas runs out?

The following quote is from The Spectator (August 2016 Issue):

'At the time, the North Sea oil sector was still in fairly good health. In the SNP’s economic manifesto for independence, it gave estimates of up to £7.9 billion a year for oil revenues. Then the oil price crashed — and oil revenues are now 99 per cent lower, at £60 million. This is no freak: America has mastered fracking and doesn’t need to import so much oil now, pushing the price of a barrel down from $110 to $45. This hasn’t hurt the UK economy because the stimulus from cheaper fuel generally balances out lower North Sea receipts. A country of 65 million can absorb such shocks. A separate Scotland simply could not.

'Had the SNP achieved its stated ambition of ‘independence day’ in the spring of 2016, what would it be doing now? We don’t have to imagine. This week, the Scottish government published figures for its national finances. They show that the Scottish government spends £127 for every £100 it raises in tax — a ratio unequalled anywhere else in the developed world. It can do this because so much extra money is sent up from England. For every £100 spent per English head, £120 is spent on a Scottish one.'

Hmmm....

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