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007Dale
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Then the currency, what would they do? Westminster has already said it would not let Scotland use the pound..


How would we stop them?

Isn't it their currency just as much as ours?


Not my view, the view of the Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dem's (assuming that refers to those 3 parties) when the the '3 main Westminster parties' declared Scotland couldn't use the pound if independent during the last campaign.

Do a google search and the first article is from the Guardian on the issue.

Whether that was ever a legitimate argument, who knows. But the SNP always argued they wouldn't take a share of the national debt without it - something that is not a ridiculous position for them to hold. As you say, it is currently their pound as much as ours.

However, Scotland using the pound means they would have no control over their own currency, the BoE wouldn't be obliged to consider Scotlands interests when setting exchange rates etc.


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Show me a link which states WM says Scotland cannot use sterling.

Just one. You sre uttering nonsense.

Scotland already uses sterling and has no control over it. If it uses the euro it will have no control over it. It's a situation we are used to. What's your point!

Just noticed this

", the BoE wouldn't be obliged to consider Scotlands interests when setting exchange rates etc. "

The biggest LOL so far.


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The ironic thing is that Cornwall and South Wales, overall, voted to leave.


Yes, quite. It's arguably the biggest electoral act of self-harm ever seen.


Quite. Cornwall gets much more from the EU that our share of what the UK puts in, there isn't a massive immigration problem and apart from the muppet at Trago Mills, there didn't seem to be much anti-Europe sentiment before the referendum. and 5 out the 6 constituency areas still voted to leave. I found it hard to believe then, and still do, but that's what happened.


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The ironic thing is that Cornwall and South Wales, overall, voted to leave.


Yes, quite. It's arguably the biggest electoral act of self-harm ever seen.


Quite. Cornwall gets much more from the EU that our share of what the UK puts in, there isn't a massive immigration problem and apart from the muppet at Trago Mills, there didn't seem to be much anti-Europe sentiment before the referendum. and 5 out the 6 constituency areas still voted to leave. I found it hard to believe then, and still do, but that's what happened.


In a way I guess it proves that for some (including myself) it was not a vote based on immigration or economics, but based on the idealism of a country choosing its own laws, electing its own leaders* and choosing who it trades with.

It's about true political independence.

* 3 minutes before someone points out Mrs May wasn't elected. But we elect a party not a prime minister in this country.


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In a way I guess it proves that for some (including myself) it was not a vote based on immigration or economics, but based on the idealism of a country choosing its own laws, electing its own leaders* and choosing who it trades with.

It's about true political independence.
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We've got our country back, innit.


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In a way I guess it proves that for some (including myself) it was not a vote based on immigration or economics, but based on the idealism of a country choosing its own laws, electing its own leaders* and choosing who it trades with.

It's about true political independence.


Sounds the SNP's core belief.


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In a way I guess it proves that for some (including myself) it was not a vote based on immigration or economics, but based on the idealism of a country choosing its own laws, electing its own leaders* and choosing who it trades with.

It's about true political independence.


Sounds the SNP's core belief.


That can't be right. The SNP wants Scotland to be an independent nation within the EU. It's only the Brexiteers who think the UK isn't independent.


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There is a massive amount of goodwill being shown to Scotland by EU members and a speedy admission of Scotland would be great way for the EU to give the UK a bloody nose.

This was the letter written recently by 50 MEPs across 20 EU nations:


I don't know whether the opinions of 50 out of 751 MEPs (a mere 6.6%) will influence the higher authorities of the EU but the signatories of the letter might not be taken very seriously if they can't manage to put the correct year on it.

And "giving the UK a bloody nose" is simply childish.


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In a way I guess it proves that for some (including myself) it was not a vote based on immigration or economics, but based on the idealism of a country choosing its own laws, electing its own leaders* and choosing who it trades with.

It's about true political independence.
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We've got our country back, innit.


Because in your world those who voted leave are all Sun readers or delinquent chavs, reality is of course totally different. You didn't get the outcome that you wanted so just get over it eh?


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The ironic thing is that Cornwall and South Wales, overall, voted to leave.


Yes, quite. It's arguably the biggest electoral act of self-harm ever seen.


Quite. Cornwall gets much more from the EU that our share of what the UK puts in, there isn't a massive immigration problem and apart from the muppet at Trago Mills, there didn't seem to be much anti-Europe sentiment before the referendum. and 5 out the 6 constituency areas still voted to leave. I found it hard to believe then, and still do, but that's what happened.


In a way I guess it proves that for some (including myself) it was not a vote based on immigration or economics, but based on the idealism of a country choosing its own laws, electing its own leaders* and choosing who it trades with.

It's about true political independence.

* 3 minutes before someone points out Mrs May wasn't elected. But we elect a party not a prime minister in this country.



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On the other hand, the way we elect in GE's is a joke. The very people that point out the majorities wishes in the EU referendum, are the ones that want to keep FPTP in GE's. #realdemocracy #makevotesmatter


Completely agree with that. FPTP is outdated, it's probably the only LD policy I agree with, but of course they are not without self-interest in that policy!


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My area in Flintshire was high leave area



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Just a thought on the Gibraltar issue mentioned a couple of weeks ago.
Gib voted very heavily to remain in the EU, so if Scotland became independent, and remains and/or returns to the EU - does Gibraltar have the choice of becoming a Scottish dependency? It is, after all, British not EnglishCrazy



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Then the currency, what would they do? Westminster has already said it would not let Scotland use the pound..


How would we stop them?

Isn't it their currency just as much as ours?


Not my view, the view of the Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dem's (assuming that refers to those 3 parties) when the the '3 main Westminster parties' declared Scotland couldn't use the pound if independent during the last campaign.

Do a google search and the first article is from the Guardian on the issue.

Whether that was ever a legitimate argument, who knows.


Anyone who has the slightest clue about it knows that it was never a legitimate argument. Here's a brief introduction:
http://www.cityam.com/...and-could-keep-pound

Didn't the "no" campaign eventually admit claiming otherwise was a lie?


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Maybe one day you'll realise that the Glasgow Media are similarly deceitful, and that one person's opinions about Scotland are not the gospel truth.

YouGov, incidentally, have recently said that most young Scottish people would vote for the status quo rather than independence (oh yes, if it comes out of London...)

The SNP, if it is to build on its momentum, should be addressing the following rather than independence all the time:

* Knife crime - according to your own Daily Record and the United Nations, Scotland is the assault capital of the world.

* Sexual assault - whilst recorded crime has gone down, sexual assaults (particularly violent ones) have increased (ONS).

* Poverty - still rife in many areas of Scotland (including rural poverty in the Highlands & Islands) such as Glasgow, Hamilton, Motherwell and Dundee (ONS).

* Child Abuse - figures here reached a record high last year according to TFN (Scotland's Third Sector Publication)

Hopefully none of the above are deemed as alt-left nor alt-right

If the SNP can make strides to reduce these problems (and they are in power in Scotland with the largest majority) then who knows? As it stands, the SNP (like UKIP) are viewed by some as a one-trick pony - with UKIP it was freedom from the EU (job done, hence they are vanishing rapidly), and with the SNP it is Indy2.

Apart from Indy2, I don't know what else the SNP has in mind - although credit must be given to Mhari Black for her standing up against rapists yesterday. Whilst I am not keen on the SNP, overall, I admire her for being forthright and not gerrymandering.


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Confused I am



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Only if the monkey's wear kilts ;)


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Maybe one day you'll realise that the Glasgow Media are similarly deceitful, and that one person's opinions about Scotland are not the gospel truth.

YouGov, incidentally, have recently said that most young Scottish people would vote for the status quo rather than independence (oh yes, if it comes out of London...)


A lot of points to answer.

I'll try to answer them,

First point. I've no idea where you are getting you YouGov info from since you cite no sources.

The most recent YouGov poll I can see contradicts your assertion:

Age 18-24
Yes 56% No 26%
Polling 9-14 March 2017
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/...14_Indy2_Website.pdf




* Knife crime - according to your own Daily Record and the United Nations, Scotland is the assault capital of the world.

"GLASGOW has shed its tag of the most violent city in Britain according to a new report.

Ten years ago crime levels for serious violence in Glasgow were by far the highest in Scotland and higher than Manchester Liverpool and Newcastle.

Now with a reduction of more than 50% crime levels per head of population the city is lower than the big northern English cities and has seen a faster reduction than anywhere in Scotland.

A report from Community Safety Glasgow to Glasgow City Council this week shows in 2001/05 Glasgow recorded 80 violent crimes per 10,000 of the population. It dwarfed other Scottish cities With Edinburgh the next highest at 37 per 10,000 people.

It was also above Liverpool the highest in England, outside London. Which has 73 per 10,000 and Manchester at 53 per 10,000.

Now ten years on Glasgow has fallen to 30 per 10,000while Liverpool has a smaller drop to 47 and Manchester increased to 67 overtaking its north west neighbour.

Edinburgh only witnessed a small decrease to 3o putting it level with Glasgow"
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/...t_crime_capital_tag/

Pretty impressive, eh?

* Sexual assault - whilst recorded crime has gone down, sexual assaults (particularly violent ones) have increased (ONS).

Link?

* Poverty - still rife in many areas of Scotland (including rural poverty in the Highlands & Islands) such as Glasgow, Hamilton, Motherwell and Dundee (ONS).

Any figures? Anything comparative, say with England?

* Child Abuse - figures here reached a record high last year according to TFN (Scotland's Third Sector Publication)

From the publication you cite:

"It is unclear why the number of cases reported has dramatically increased although the NSPCC believes a number of reasons including the police improving recording methods and survivors feeling more confident in disclosing abuse following high-profile cases, could explain it."
http://thirdforcenews.org.uk/...#lyOMj7pbMZuYkoE6.99



If the SNP can make strides to reduce these problems (and they are in power in Scotland with the largest majority) then who knows?

Eh? The SNP is a minority government!


As it stands, the SNP (like UKIP) are viewed by some as a one-trick pony - with UKIP it was freedom from the EU (job done, hence they are vanishing rapidly), and with the SNP it is Indy2.

Apart from Indy2, I don't know what else the SNP has in mind


How utterly ludicrous.




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Because in your world those who voted leave are all Sun readers or delinquent chavs, reality is of course totally different. You didn't get the outcome that you wanted so just get over it eh?


Your lack of comprehension kind of confirms the stereotype of Leave voters you are supposedly arguing against.

No one has said leave voters are all Sun readers, chavs, old or less well-educated. However the data shows that Leave voters are more likely to be in one or more of those categories than Remain voters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...uks-educated-old-an/


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No chance that these Remain voting youngsters have all attended left-leaning academia?

You know, those places where diversity is encouraged (apart from diversity of thought of course?)

The same places which have an apoplectic reaction to anybody whom does not share their beliefs and principles. When even a feminist like Germaine Greer visiting is enough to incite a riot? Or when Jenni Murray misgenders a person and she receives death threats on Social Media by these academics and 'leaders of tomorrow?' (Christ help us all!)

These young people will just echo what they have been taught to believe, because they fear being different or being cast out of their 'clique'. So yes you can tell them that the EU is a wonderful, happy, fairy-tale and they will swallow it. This is why academia is suffering, as nobody dares to challenge beliefs - academia should be about challenging ideas and ideals and not just being an echo-chamber. Had we not changed and adapted, the Earth would still be flat, we'd be stoning atheists to death for not worshipping 'the one true God' and witches would still be being drowned at Pendle!

Back to Scotland, final thoughts are:

If strides have been made to take it forward then good. I would like to know where the subsidies come from - is it from Scotland alone, from Scotland/Westminster or the EU?

I remain sceptical about Scottish Independence, and the exact terms by which Scotland would exit the Union. Whilst you may think that certain things will happen and that it will be a smooth transition, as with Brexit and Article 50 there will be many obstacles to overcome. Nicola Sturgeon will be under pressure to deliver a good deal, and Theresa May will be under pressure to ensure that the remaining UK (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) also gets a good deal. The ironic thing is that the SNP may demand a 'hard Scoxit' rather than a 'soft Scoxit' when they want the softest of Brexits! Also don't be surprised if the EU says 'no' to Scotland. They do not have to let you in to the 'cosy club' and no amount of anger will make them change their minds. You are dealing with EU idiots who would struggle to lie straight in bed, due to their crookedness.


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Back to Scotland, final thoughts are:

If strides have been made to take it forward then good. I would like to know where the subsidies come from - is it from Scotland alone, from Scotland/Westminster or the EU?


What subsidies? Scotland currently receives no subsidies.

Scotland pays around £60 billion to Westminster and gets back £27 billion. What the English like to call a subsidy is actually a bill for a per capita share of Westminster spending, regardless of where it is spent.

Westminster is in fiscal deficit, it subsidises no one.

The annual UK deficit. Every year from 2005 the UK has been in deficit. Scotland has been in surplus some of this time.




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No chance that these Remain voting youngsters have all attended left-leaning academia?

You know, those places where diversity is encouraged (apart from diversity of thought of course?)


It may be more relevant to compare University Tuition Fees north and south of the border.

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