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Ronsdog
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Whilst having no wish to intrude on Arsenals grief is it time for Mr Wenger to step aside ?

ps...they were certainly outplayed again this eveningWink


kirby knitters
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Loads about this on the Leicester City thread so many thanks for kicking this one off sir. (unless he turns up at the KPSSly)


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Yes.


PS....Yes they were.



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paulh66
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Suppose the key question is whether he can recruit top quality players with steel and determination in the summer. It's been a long time since he last showed an eye for that, and it'll be doubly difficult if they're not in Champions League.

Still, it's desperately sad to see a man who not only built the club up but also revolutionised the game in this country being treated with such disdain by a section of so-called fans.


007Dale
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Suppose the key question is whether he can recruit top quality players with steel and determination in the summer. It's been a long time since he last showed an eye for that, and it'll be doubly difficult if they're not in Champions League.

Still, it's desperately sad to see a man who not only built the club up but also revolutionised the game in this country being treated with such disdain by a section of so-called fans.

Are the fans (who pay the highest price of any in the country to watch their team) not entitled to have their say? I think so.

As a Leicester fan, I believed it was time for Sir Claudio to go, but it doesn't mean I don't respect and appreciate the amazing things he did for us.

Several things would worry me if I was an Arsenal fan:
1. Why the indecision over a new deal for Wenger? And how can he say it's not impacting the players? The cynical could argue they're waiting for the season tickets to be renewed.
2. The recent signings have been poor. Wenger seems reluctant to spend money, is it because he doesn't trust himself anymore?
3. Player performances are shocking. It's often a sign they don't want to play for the manager (just like Leicester)
4. No one at the club seems to be Wenger's boss. Who will make the right decision if Wenger won't? And how can they be trusted to replace him when he does leave?
5. Why in gods name have they offered Ozil a new deal for £200k a week? He's s**t.


Isaac
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Apr 11, 2017, 6:40 AM

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Suppose the key question is whether he can recruit top quality players with steel and determination in the summer. It's been a long time since he last showed an eye for that, and it'll be doubly difficult if they're not in Champions League.

Still, it's desperately sad to see a man who not only built the club up but also revolutionised the game in this country being treated with such disdain by a section of so-called fans.


Why are they 'so called fans'? Are they not entitled to their opinion? I'm not sure Wenger has exactly revolutionised the game in this country either? Yes he was successful in his early days at Arsenal but the club have seriously under achieved for over a decade, how much longer should he get? The club seems to be run purely as a business with no ambition beyond CL qualification and they don't look like even achieving that this season, Wenger has been in a comfort zone for far too long and so have certain players. And why all this will he/won't he nonsense? If Wenger cannot make the decision himself then the club need to make it for him, he's like the boxer that's gone on far too long and needs to be protected from himself.


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jon b
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I'd have thought a lot is riding on whether they qualify for the Champions League. If not, then he may be eased out.

His bosses won't want to boot him out, but if he won't let go and won't take a sinecure then……


PhilN
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If Arsenal fans want rid of Wenger I'd gladly swap him for Zola!


Isaac
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Apr 11, 2017, 9:19 AM

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If Arsenal fans want rid of Wenger I'd gladly swap him for Zola!


Shades of Ranieri, a loveable Italian but sadly not up to the job!


paulh66
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Suppose the key question is whether he can recruit top quality players with steel and determination in the summer. It's been a long time since he last showed an eye for that, and it'll be doubly difficult if they're not in Champions League.

Still, it's desperately sad to see a man who not only built the club up but also revolutionised the game in this country being treated with such disdain by a section of so-called fans.

Are the fans (who pay the highest price of any in the country to watch their team) not entitled to have their say? I think so.

As a Leicester fan, I believed it was time for Sir Claudio to go, but it doesn't mean I don't respect and appreciate the amazing things he did for us.


Yes, but (hopefully!) you weren't spouting bile in the bloke's direction and campaigning for his dismissal. It's one thing to believe someone's time is up, quite another how you display it. A small minority of these so-called fans clearly don't respect the guy or his achievements.


paulh66
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If Arsenal fans want rid of Wenger I'd gladly swap him for Zola!


Shades of Ranieri, a loveable Italian but sadly not up to the job!


Quite possibly the most crass comparison of managerial ability ever!


Isaac
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Apr 11, 2017, 11:20 AM

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If Arsenal fans want rid of Wenger I'd gladly swap him for Zola!


Shades of Ranieri, a loveable Italian but sadly not up to the job!


Quite possibly the most crass comparison of managerial ability ever!


But I didn't mention the managerial abilities of either did I? Just the fact that both are loveable Italians who most neutrals would want to see doing well.

Have you grasped that now or shall I run through it again?

Oh and I nominate your posting for the most hypocritical, ever!

For you to accuse somebody of being crass............Mad


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paulh66
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"Not up to the job" you said. But that comment wasn't about managerial ability, as you now say... Crazy. Methinks you're on another wind up Mr Hunt, so carry on without me.

Back on topic, if Wenger does leave, might be something of a poison chalice for the new boss, replacing such a dominant figure within the club and probably not having the cache of Champions League to lure new signings. Can easily see a situation like United when Ferguson went - a couple of poor years while a big rebuild/transition takes place before being ready to start challenging again. A challenge indeed for whoever might be tempted to take that on.


Isaac
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Apr 11, 2017, 12:04 PM

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"Not up to the job" you said. But that comment wasn't about managerial ability, as you now say... Crazy. Methinks you're on another wind up Mr Hunt, so carry on without me.

Back on topic, if Wenger does leave, might be something of a poison chalice for the new boss, replacing such a dominant figure within the club and probably not having the cache of Champions League to lure new signings. Can easily see a situation like United when Ferguson went - a couple of poor years while a big rebuild/transition takes place before being ready to start challenging again. A challenge indeed for whoever might be tempted to take that on.


That 'joke' is getting a tad boring now if indeed it was ever funny in the first placeCrazy!

Anyway back on topic, Wenger has to go at some point just like Fergie. I suspect there will be no shortage of takers for the Arsenal job if the club show some ambition.


sandhurstbee
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Apr 11, 2017, 1:22 PM

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Tony Adams just taken over at Granada. Is this timing significant for the Arsenal job? Shocked



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HantsLondoner
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Apr 11, 2017, 3:31 PM

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Hope so ;-) Ar*se fans, be careful what you wish for!

Even as a Tottenham fan, I have a lot of admiration for Wenger, so I'm sad it's come to this for him.

IMO he should have become our manager when he came over here, rather than him going to our arch-rivals.
His style of play and philosophy would have suited us much better.
As it is we've let them get ahead of us, in most senses of the word, in the last 20 years.

At the moment I'm wondering how we're going to c*ck it up this year from this position, and finish below them. Three wins and a draw from the remaining seven games, even if they win all theirs. I expect we will though.

They could still manage to get into the CL.

When you make Walcott your captain, and have players like Ozil starting against a physical team like Crystal Palace, I think you are asking for trouble, though. Andros Townsend must have enjoyed himself last night, with his Tottenham connections :-)



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garethwrexy
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Apr 11, 2017, 7:23 PM

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Wenger a great boss but his time is up



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Richard Rundle
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Apr 11, 2017, 8:44 PM

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Does anyone think the next Arsenal manager would do any better than this team has, even in the last few seasons?

They're about the fourth or fifth biggest club in England, with the fourth or fifth biggest budget, and they're continually finishing in that sort of position or better.


007Dale
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Apr 11, 2017, 8:46 PM

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Ah, But the team with the fifteenth biggest budget won the league last season.


garethwrexy
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Arsenal will get big name to fill the hot seat once wenger goes



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kirby knitters
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Will they go for a big name though? Wenger was unheard of by most when he took control and did a damn fine job for the first few years.


blackdouglas
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Will they go for a big name though? Wenger was unheard of by most when he took control and did a damn fine job for the first few years.


I feel, unfortunately, Arsenal will have to go for a "big name" to replace Le God. The days of top Premier League clubs gambling on virtual unknowns are long gone.

I just hope we don't experience a "Moyes bounce" as Manyoo did when SAF left.



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jrev61
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Will they go for a big name though? Wenger was unheard of by most when he took control and did a damn fine job for the first few years.


I feel, unfortunately, Arsenal will have to go for a "big name" to replace Le God. The days of top Premier League clubs gambling on virtual unknowns are long gone.

I just hope we don't experience a "Moyes bounce" as Manyoo did when SAF left.


Luis Enrique?



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Will they go for a big name though? Wenger was unheard of by most when he took control and did a damn fine job for the first few years.


I feel, unfortunately, Arsenal will have to go for a "big name" to replace Le God. The days of top Premier League clubs gambling on virtual unknowns are long gone.

I just hope we don't experience a "Moyes bounce" as Manyoo did when SAF left.


Luis Enrique?



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dottirofhod
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Paulo Henrique Souza de Oliveira ?


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Isaac
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Wenger a great boss but his time is up


It was up years ago, remember his 1,000th game? I'm sure he does and so does Andre MarrinerBlush

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jwo_xYV6lhM


jrev61
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Arsenal will get big name to fill the hot seat once wenger goes.
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Paulo Henrique Souza de Oliveira ?


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Assuming you mean Paulo Sousa currently at Fiorentina, that is a definite possibility as he is expected to be leaving the club at the end of the season.



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garethwrexy
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He has been great boss for arsenal



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Isaac
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He has been great boss for arsenal


More than a decade ago.


garethwrexy
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Apr 13, 2017, 3:15 PM

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He has won more than George Graham



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dottirofhod
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Assuming you mean Paulo Sousa currently at Fiorentina, that is a definite possibility as he is expected to be leaving the club at the end of the season.
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Actually no , Paulo Manuel Carvalho de Sousa has only 26 letters.




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He has won more than George Graham


Yes, but he's been there a lot longer. If you take this into consideration, Graham was more successful, at least in terms of his trophy haul.

Graham won two league titles in nine years. Wenger has three in 21.

Graham won four cups, Wenger has won six.


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Yes, but he's been there a lot longer. If you take this into consideration, Graham was more successful, at least in terms of his trophy haul.

Graham won two league titles in nine years. Wenger has three in 21.

Graham won four cups, Wenger has won six.


And George Graham won a European Trophy, Wenger hasn't.



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kirby knitters
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And George Graham was bent!


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Think if Graham hadn't had the scandal may have even won arsenal 1 premier league title



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Think if Graham hadn't had the scandal may have even won arsenal 1 premier league title


Graham never won a "Premier League" title with Arsenal. George Graham's titles were both won before Sky invented football.




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garethwrexy
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Shame Graham was corrupt



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Isaac
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St Totteringham's day has been cancelled this season, another nail in the Wenger coffin?


garethwrexy
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Hope so



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kirby knitters
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FAC final day on the horizon, does anyone seriously believe that Wenger is about to do one? It aint gonna happen.


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FAC final day on the horizon, does anyone seriously believe that Wenger is about to do one? It aint gonna happen.


A Wembley cup final might be a good way to go out... unless they get walloped!


garethwrexy
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Who knows



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kirby knitters
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Emirates capacity 60,342
Gate last night 59,510.


Yeah rightSlySlySly


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Emirates capacity 60,342
Gate last night 59,510.


Yeah rightSlySlySly



Gate means tickets bought, not people attended


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Regarding the Arsenal attendance discrepancies, I believe that in Germany some clubs have taken the steps of writing to season-ticket holders who fail to attend regularly to warn them that they may lose their right to renew their seats. I can't imagine Arsenal doing the same, although the EFL could do something useful for once and insist that clubs here make sure that their season-ticket holders (at regularly sold-out stadiums) do attend regularly.

As for Wenger, Arsenal should hold on to him if that is what he wants. I can't see the club being any more successful with a different manager.


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Call the tax man somone on the fiddle



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Call the tax man somone on the fiddle

Please explain how they're fiddling by overstating the numbers in the ground Crazy


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Regarding the Arsenal attendance discrepancies, I believe that in Germany some clubs have taken the steps of writing to season-ticket holders who fail to attend regularly to warn them that they may lose their right to renew their seats. I can't imagine Arsenal doing the same, although the EFL could do something useful for once and insist that clubs here make sure that their season-ticket holders (at regularly sold-out stadiums) do attend regularly.

As for Wenger, Arsenal should hold on to him if that is what he wants. I can't see the club being any more successful with a different manager.


We'll never know until Wenger goes, perhaps not unreasonably fans have high expectations and any other top club would have surely sacked Wenger years ago?


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Emirates capacity 60,342
Gate last night 59,510.


Yeah rightSlySlySly



Gate means tickets bought, not people attended

According to The Daily Telegraph:

"There is another figure released to the police that is simply the number of people who come through turnstiles. This has been occasionally released following freedom of information requests and the lowest known [Arsenal attendance at The Emirates] in the Premier League was a fixture against West Bromwich Albion last year that attracted 44,878. The Telegraph understands that the match on Tuesday against Sunderland only attracted just above 45,000"


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Call the tax man somone on the fiddle

Please explain how they're fiddling by overstating the numbers in the ground Crazy

He can't. He just types the first thing that comes into his head. Which is fine but when people challenge him on his statements they're accused of bullying


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Call the tax man somone on the fiddle


I think they are fiddling the wrong way then!! Crazy


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Wenger claims that his love for the club cannot be questioned, surely it's his love for himself that cannot be questioned?

And then to have the audacity to complain that the speculation is effecting the players when only Wenger himself can put an end to the speculationMad!


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Pretty clear that Wenger's future was/is inextricably linked (at least in part) to what we now know is a power struggle between Kroenke and Usmanov. As such, it's difficult to see exactly what Wenger could have done to remove the speculation other than leave or announce he'd leave in the summer, which obviously neither he nor Kroenke wanted.


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And still won't make any announcement until after the Chelsea game next week! Does it really make any difference?


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Give it a rest try enjoy the summer



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ladderman
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If you don't want people to reply to on a message board, don't post. It's not your personal blog


garethwrexy
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Neither is it yours



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And still won't make any announcement until after the Chelsea game next week! Does it really make any difference?


If they get humiliated on Saturday surely that's his lot?


garethwrexy
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I reckon he stay on,



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Neither is it yours

Okay, reply to me then Gareth. Who do you think (as you said) is on the fiddle and how ?


Isaac
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I reckon he stay on,


Just don't back them for the Champions League next seasonWink


garethwrexy
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I have had long day at work to tired to argue ok



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I have had long day at work to tired to argue ok

No argument from me; just asking for clarification as to what you meant in your post.


garethwrexy
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Ok I don't know what I am talking about, I do post without thinking,



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Ok I don't know what I am talking about, I do post without thinking,


Frankness and candour......what more could we any of us want from posters......go get em Gareth Wink

Meantime I fancy Arsenal at Wembley on Saturday......just a hunch.


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Thanks



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Ok I don't know what I am talking about, I do post without thinking,


Frankness and candour......what more could we any of us want from posters......go get em Gareth Wink

Meantime I fancy Arsenal at Wembley on Saturday......just a hunch.


I can't see anything other than a resounding Chelsea win.


garethwrexy
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I'm going 2-0 to gunners



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I'm going 2-0 to gunners


Congratulations Arsenal, worthy winners today. 2-1


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I saw Martin Keown on Marylebone station at 10.15 this morning. Have the BBC stopped using courtesy cars at the expense of the licence payer?


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I saw Martin Keown on Marylebone station at 10.15 this morning. Have the BBC stopped using courtesy cars at the expense of the licence payer?


He was waiting for you to buy you a pint.



The feeling of utter devastation when you pick up your mug and realise you already finished your tea.


kirby knitters
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I saw Martin Keown on Marylebone station at 10.15 this morning. Have the BBC stopped using courtesy cars at the expense of the licence payer?


He was waiting for you to buy you a pint.

Well i saved him a fiver then. He was wandering up platform 2 but the train on P2 hit the buffers and was going nowhere, rather like his teams CL campaign next term.Sly


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Ok I don't know what I am talking about, I do post without thinking,


Frankness and candour......what more could we any of us want from posters......go get em Gareth Wink

Meantime I fancy Arsenal at Wembley on Saturday......just a hunch.


I can't see anything other than a resounding Chelsea win.


Pirate

The beauty of football.



Where's the 'ignore this poster' button?


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I can't see anything other than a resounding Chelsea win.


Maybe Chelsea's problem was that they thought the same.


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I can't see anything other than a resounding Chelsea win.


Maybe Chelsea's problem was that they thought the same.


Indeed, the opening goal was somewhat dubious but Victor Moses's ridiculous dive was just embarrassingBlush!


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I saw Martin Keown on Marylebone station at 10.15 this morning. Have the BBC stopped using courtesy cars at the expense of the licence payer?


He lives very near to the Oxford - Marylebone route so I presume he had used the train. Think he is quite down to earth you see him about, also he does quite a lot of things for local football, presenting cups and awards. As far as I know his family are all still around here, certainly his brothers business is about half a mile from my house.


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There will be an announcement this week about Wenger's future, had he announced his retirement he could have had the perfect send off yesterday. I suspect most gooners would swap yesterday for a Champions League place though?


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I saw Martin Keown on Marylebone station at 10.15 this morning. Have the BBC stopped using courtesy cars at the expense of the licence payer?


He lives very near to the Oxford - Marylebone route so I presume he had used the train. Think he is quite down to earth you see him about, also he does quite a lot of things for local football, presenting cups and awards. As far as I know his family are all still around here, certainly his brothers business is about half a mile from my house.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't realise he was from that area and just presumed he was heading to Wembley early to beat the crowds. None of this wearing shades so not to be hassled and it wasn't until later in the day that I remembered that he played for Leicester for a spell.



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I saw Martin Keown on Marylebone station at 10.15 this morning. Have the BBC stopped using courtesy cars at the expense of the licence payer?


He lives very near to the Oxford - Marylebone route so I presume he had used the train. Think he is quite down to earth you see him about, also he does quite a lot of things for local football, presenting cups and awards. As far as I know his family are all still around here, certainly his brothers business is about half a mile from my house.


Martin Keown is no stranger to using the new Chiltern Trains service from Oxford to Marylebone. A mate of mine saw him catching the train from Oxford Parkway to Wembley last month to watch Oxford United in the Checkatrade Trophy final.


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I suspect most gooners would swap yesterday for a Champions League place though?


Enough of then have been telling anyone who cares to listen that fourth place isn't good enough because Arsenal is all about winning things. Apparently.

Wonder if Spurs fans might prefer to win something rather than finishing top 4? Their inability to do so (..yet) was certainly a popular choice of song amongst many gooners on the Tube last night.


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I suspect most gooners would swap yesterday for a Champions League place though?


Enough of then have been telling anyone who cares to listen that fourth place isn't good enough because Arsenal is all about winning things. Apparently.

Wonder if Spurs fans might prefer to win something rather than finishing top 4? Their inability to do so (..yet) was certainly a popular choice of song amongst many gooners on the Tube last night.


I still think Tottenham fans will be the happier of the two looking back at the season.


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None of this wearing shades so not to be hassled


That reminds me of the guy who said the worst thing he'd feel brave enough to call Sonny Liston was "a very nice man" and that over the telephone long distance.

You could probably make a list a mile or two long of opposition forwards from a few years back who would fervently advise against hassling Martin Keown. Shocked


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There's a more subtle reason why that may be the case. Now that the Champions League has been with us for more than 20 years, the clubs who traditionally 'belong' there, such as Arsenal, Chelsea, United and perhaps even City, can easily cope with missing out for a season or two (so long as it is only a season or two). They've established themselves as being an elite, and that won't change overnight. On the other hand, for teams who are trying to catch them up, such as Spurs and Liverpool, qualification for the CL is an essential next step in doing so.

In other words, finishing top 4 is only a means to an end....the end being winning trophies. In that sense, right now being in next season's CL is more important to the likes of Spurs than it is to the likes of Arsenal.

So it may well be that Spurs fans are happy with no trophies and CL qualification, but that Arsenal fans are no less happy with silverware and a season outside the CL. But vice versa might be very different.


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I saw Martin Keown on Marylebone station at 10.15 this morning. Have the BBC stopped using courtesy cars at the expense of the licence payer?


He lives very near to the Oxford - Marylebone route so I presume he had used the train. Think he is quite down to earth you see him about, also he does quite a lot of things for local football, presenting cups and awards. As far as I know his family are all still around here, certainly his brothers business is about half a mile from my house.


Martin Keown is no stranger to using the new Chiltern Trains service from Oxford to Marylebone. A mate of mine saw him catching the train from Oxford Parkway to Wembley last month to watch Oxford United in the Checkatrade Trophy final.


I saw Martin Keown in Oxford last year, he was happily chatting to people and seemed very sociable.


Isaac
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There's a more subtle reason why that may be the case. Now that the Champions League has been with us for more than 20 years, the clubs who traditionally 'belong' there, such as Arsenal, Chelsea, United and perhaps even City, can easily cope with missing out for a season or two (so long as it is only a season or two). They've established themselves as being an elite, and that won't change overnight. On the other hand, for teams who are trying to catch them up, such as Spurs and Liverpool, qualification for the CL is an essential next step in doing so.

In other words, finishing top 4 is only a means to an end....the end being winning trophies. In that sense, right now being in next season's CL is more important to the likes of Spurs than it is to the likes of Arsenal.

So it may well be that Spurs fans are happy with no trophies and CL qualification, but that Arsenal fans are no less happy with silverware and a season outside the CL. But vice versa might be very different.


As a neutral I'd say Tottenham's prospects look a lot brighter although that could change if Arsenal do part company with Wenger.


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A year ago Arsenal achieved exactly the same as Spurs - no trophies and second in the league. The vastly differing response of each set of fans to that 'achievement' tells you all you need to know about the gulf between the two clubs.

Spurs certainly do look to have a bright future but, because of that gulf, Arsenal are still less vulnerable than Spurs in their ability to attract and retain/replace talent. That might change, possibly even in the next year or two, but I don't think that tipping point has yet been crossed.


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None of this wearing shades so not to be hassled


That reminds me of the guy who said the worst thing he'd feel brave enough to call Sonny Liston was "a very nice man" and that over the telephone long distance.

You could probably make a list a mile or two long of opposition forwards from a few years back who would fervently advise against hassling Martin Keown. Shocked


Is this the same Martin Keown who was poleaxed by Francesco Totti's finger?Mad


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I was nearly right, wenger did well, arsenal record 13 time cup winners



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I suspect most gooners would swap yesterday for a Champions League place though?

Not the case from those I know. There's nothing like winning a trophy. Nobody remembers who qualified for Europe or finished fourth etc. after a year or so.
Even moreso if comparing an FA Cup win as opposed to qualifying for a tournament you're not competitive in, but that applies to all PL teams at the moment.


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Well said Paddy. As a Spurs fan I'd rather have won some silverware.



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Spurs' goal difference of +60 is the best for a team finishing second in the top flight, at least since 1946. I haven't checked before WWII yet, but I doubt there's any better.

And I know, goal average was used up to 1976.



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I suspect most gooners would swap yesterday for a Champions League place though?

Not the case from those I know. There's nothing like winning a trophy. Nobody remembers who qualified for Europe or finished fourth etc. after a year or so.
Even moreso if comparing an FA Cup win as opposed to qualifying for a tournament you're not competitive in, but that applies to all PL teams at the moment.


Once again Arsenal have come nowhere near winning the two prizes that really matter and whilst the FA Cup is better than nothing it does rather paper over what has been another poor season.


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Spurs' goal difference of +60 is the best for a team finishing second in the top flight, at least since 1946. I haven't checked before WWII yet, but I doubt there's any better.

And I know, goal average was used up to 1976.


Obviously their last two games helped but an impressive achievement none the less although with home games at Wembley next season I suspect their best chance of winning the league has been and gone?


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Once again Arsenal have come nowhere near winning the two prizes that really matter and whilst the FA Cup is better than nothing it does rather paper over what has been another poor season.


Yep, quite a lot better than nothing. Cool

I assume Ref Anthony Taylor's back in Arsene's good books after Saturday's game. Cool No desire to shove him again and get another touch line ban.


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Well said Paddy. As a Spurs fan I'd rather have won some silverware.



Absolutely. Finishing in our highest position for years was good, finishing above the other lot was sweet (but said as much about them as much as about us) but Pochettino, for all his good points, still doesn't seem to 'get' the glory side of the game, which is the Tottenham tradition.
The way we went out of Europe, especially the Europa League, was pathetic.
I suppose the club gets more money for finishing second and getting into the CL rather than winning a cup, but I see the season as one of steady progress rather than a great one, because we didn't win any silverware.
I also agree with Isaac's statement that our best chance may have gone because we are playing at Wembley next season, and I'm sure there will be attempts to buy our players in the summer, which may unsettle them...




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Spurs' goal difference of +60 is the best for a team finishing second in the top flight, at least since 1946. I haven't checked before WWII yet, but I doubt there's any better.

And I know, goal average was used up to 1976.


Mightily impressive stat, reflecting a great attack minded attitude.

But for me the most astonishing goal differences are those of today's Wembley Championship play off teams. Reading at a paltry +4 but put in the shade by Huddersfield Town's -2. Shocked


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I also agree with Isaac's statement that our best chance may have gone because we are playing at Wembley next season, and I'm sure there will be attempts to buy our players in the summer, which may unsettle them...


All those Premier League clubs who generally flirt with relegation or who feel like it's been a good season if they finish in the top half, for example Burnley, Watford and West Ham, will go the extra mile for their big day out at Wembley and that will make things extra difficult for us. I'll be surprised if we finish in the top four.



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Once again Arsenal have come nowhere near winning the two prizes that really matter and whilst the FA Cup is better than nothing it does rather paper over what has been another poor season.

By that token, it's been a poor season for everyone other than Chelsea


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Once again Arsenal have come nowhere near winning the two prizes that really matter and whilst the FA Cup is better than nothing it does rather paper over what has been another poor season.

By that token, it's been a poor season for everyone other than Chelsea


Surely that depends on expectations? I'm sure Bournemouth fans are delighted with their 9th place finish but Arsenal fans obviously expect a lot more for their top dollar season tickets.


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Do you know any Arsenal fans who expected to win the league or CL?
I don't, including my bruv who's been a season ticket holder for the best part of 30 years for his sins. Happy with another trophy, more so because Spurs won zip again.
History remembers who won what, not who qualified for whatever but was an also-ran in reality.


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Do you know any Arsenal fans who expected to win the league or CL?
I don't, including my bruv who's been a season ticket holder for the best part of 30 years for his sins. Happy with another trophy, more so because Spurs won zip again.
History remembers who won what, not who qualified for whatever but was an also-ran in reality.


Yes I know a few Arsenal fans who expect that and are not content with the FA Cup, and of course St Totteringhams day had to be cancelled this year, a sign of things to come perhaps?

On that theme I don't suppose many Man Utd fans where that excited with the 'double' that they did this year although obviously it's Jose Mourinho's first season.


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Doesn't your heart just bleed for these "fans" who, between them, aren't content with a combined haul of the Europa League, the FA Cup and League Cup. They deserve all the misery they feel from such perceived failure.


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I'm sure Leicester fans are very delighted with their season. No cups but a CL run that will live long in their memories and a mid table finish that didn't look likely at one stage.



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I'm sure Leicester fans are very delighted with their season. No cups but a CL run that will live long in their memories and a mid table finish that didn't look likely at one stage.

But many are saying Europa League place is a must come next May. Bar has been set very high with the recent exploits at the KPS.


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I'm sure Leicester fans are very delighted with their season. No cups but a CL run that will live long in their memories and a mid table finish that didn't look likely at one stage.

But many are saying Europa League place is a must come next May. Bar has been set very high with the recent exploits at the KPS.


I'd rather see a team like Leicester City win the FA Cup because I think it would really mean something to them, the last 'magical' final was when Wigan Athletic beat Manchester City.


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Doesn't your heart just bleed for these "fans" who, between them, aren't content with a combined haul of the Europa League, the FA Cup and League Cup. They deserve all the misery they feel from such perceived failure.


Can you imagine the reaction if one of them actually had a poor season and got relegated. Or did a Leeds/Coventry? They might have to have a separate 606 just for Arsenal fans.


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I'm sure Leicester fans are very delighted with their season. No cups but a CL run that will live long in their memories and a mid table finish that didn't look likely at one stage.

But many are saying Europa League place is a must come next May. Bar has been set very high with the recent exploits at the KPS.


They're deluded. The top 7 are streets ahead and the team is a busted flush which needs a rebuild just to remain competitive in the PL. If they give the job to Shakespeare - a caretaker who just about squeezed the last drop of magic out of them but is utterly unproven at building and shaping a team of his own - they'll struggle badly.


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I'm sure Leicester fans are very delighted with their season. No cups but a CL run that will live long in their memories and a mid table finish that didn't look likely at one stage.

But many are saying Europa League place is a must come next May. Bar has been set very high with the recent exploits at the KPS.


I'd rather see a team like Leicester City win the FA Cup because I think it would really mean something to them, the last 'magical' final was when Wigan Athletic beat Manchester City.

After getting done in all four finals participated in you would get no arguments from any in these parts.


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I'm sure Leicester fans are very delighted with their season. No cups but a CL run that will live long in their memories and a mid table finish that didn't look likely at one stage.

But many are saying Europa League place is a must come next May. Bar has been set very high with the recent exploits at the KPS.


They're deluded. The top 7 are streets ahead and the team is a busted flush which needs a rebuild just to remain competitive in the PL. If they give the job to Shakespeare - a caretaker who just about squeezed the last drop of magic out of them but is utterly unproven at building and shaping a team of his own - they'll struggle badly.


Possibly a bit over optimistic but hardly deluded, there's no reason why Leicester City can't get a Europa League place next season, whether they do or not remains to be seen.


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Wenger is staying, the gooner I work with is fumingMad


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Wenger is staying, the gooner I work with is fumingMad


Good and good. Funnily enough, he might well have left by now if it wasn't for the baying mob, but it seems there was no way he or the club was ever prepared to give in to that. Must be even more frustrating for those 'fans' after hearing of Tuchel's sudden availability this morning.

Of course, Wenger now needs to deliver improvement. With City and
United likely to be seriously challenging the current top two next season, that won't be easy. For any manager.


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Wenger is staying, the gooner I work with is fumingMad


Good and good. Funnily enough, he might well have left by now if it wasn't for the baying mob, but it seems there was no way he or the club was ever prepared to give in to that. Must be even more frustrating for those 'fans' after hearing of Tuchel's sudden availability this morning.

Of course, Wenger now needs to deliver improvement. With City and
United likely to be seriously challenging the current top two next season, that won't be easy. For any manager.


Good and good? What a strange thing to say!

And let's not exaggerate, there is no baying mob. Just fans who have become increasingly frustrated after years of under achievement.


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Only the blinkered could find anything remotely strange about an opinion that it's good a manager hasn't been hounded out of his job by a vocal, unappreciative minority after all he's done for a club. Makes a nice change to see loyalty and class prevailing at the top level of the game. Now, of course, he has to repay the faith placed in him by once again challenging clubs with greater resources and pulling power.


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Only the blinkered could find anything remotely strange about an opinion that it's good a manager hasn't been hounded out of his job by a vocal, unappreciative minority after all he's done for a club. Makes a nice change to see loyalty and class prevailing at the top level of the game. Now, of course, he has to repay the faith placed in him by once again challenging clubs with greater resources and pulling power.

Only the blinkered would think Wenger was a good manager, I think Jose Mourinho's 'specialist in failure' jibe was very apt. All he's done for the club? Like what exactly?


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. All he's done for the club? Like what exactly?


Isaac, you are not very knowledgeable about anything, are you?



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If you're so much in disagreement with the informed actions of the club's board and the support given by the majority of its fans, why not sound off on their forum or write a letter to them? I've already posted why I agree with the merits of today's decision so I'm not going to carry on spelling them out. Nobody needs to agree with them but to suggest they don't even exist when they're pretty obvious to anyone who cares to look is a bit OTT.


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. All he's done for the club? Like what exactly?


Isaac, you are not very knowledgeable about anything, are you?

And this is the best you can offer is it? Oh the irony!Crazy


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If you're so much in disagreement with the informed actions of the club's board and the support given by the majority of its fans, why not sound off on their forum or write a letter to them? I've already posted why I agree with the merits of today's decision so I'm not going to carry on spelling them out. Nobody needs to agree with them but to suggest they don't even exist when they're pretty obvious to anyone who cares to look is a bit OTT.

This is a football forum in case you hadn't noticed?


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Conte on Wenger: "When you stay for a long time, for sure he is a good manager. We must consider him to be one of the best managers in history."

Guardiola on Wenger: "He's been there a long time because he's good. If not, it could not happen."

Klopp on Wenger: "He is a pioneer. He is someone who turned a vision into success, built a club for long-term sustainable success.  And he continues to pit a team on the field which competes at the very top of one of the most competitive leagues in the world, playing attacking, successful football.”

Ancelotti on Wenger: “He built a strong identity in this club, he built a really good style of football. I have a lot of respect for the job he has done at Arsenal."

Ferguson on Wenger: "With the ridiculous situation of the pressure Arsene is under, I just wonder if they realise the job he's done."

Isaac on Wenger: "Only the blinkered would think Wenger was a good manager, I think Jose Mourinho's 'specialist in failure' jibe was very apt. All he's done for the club? Like what?"

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Conte on Wenger: "When you stay for a long time, for sure he is a good manager. We must consider him to be one of the best managers in history."

Guardiola on Wenger: "He's been there a long time because he's good. If not, it could not happen."

Klopp on Wenger: "He is a pioneer. He is someone who turned a vision into success, built a club for long-term sustainable success. And he continues to pit a team on the field which competes at the very top of one of the most competitive leagues in the world, playing attacking, successful football.”

Ancelotti on Wenger: “He built a strong identity in this club, he built a really good style of football. I have a lot of respect for the job he has done at Arsenal."

Ferguson on Wenger: "With the ridiculous situation of the pressure Arsene is under, I just wonder if they realise the job he's done."

Isaac on Wenger: "Only the blinkered would think Wenger was a good manager, I think Jose Mourinho's 'specialist in failure' jibe was very apt. All he's done for the club? Like what?"

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And of course you missed out Jose Mourinho's view on Wenger, or doesn't he count?

The opinion that does count is the fans, you know the ones who pay Wengers wages?Crazy


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In addition to the "rubbish" (a word you've since deleted) spouted by that stellar cast of managers we can add the views of the people who employ and pay Wenger's wages, and the majority of the club's fans who back him.

But keep on digging. And, by your definition, Mourinho too has been a failure this season.


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In addition to the "rubbish" spouted by that stellar cast of managers we can add the views of the people who employ and pay Wenger's wages, and the majority of the club's fans who back him.

But keep on digging. And, by your definition, Mourinho too has been a failure this season.


You're the one who keeps digging up irrelevant rubbish!

But anyway heres Gary Lineker's twopenneth

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40094402?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=sport


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What is irrelevant about any of that? It answers perfectly the questions you raised about Wenger's ability and achievements. Or are you still baffled about what the guy brings to the party?


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What is irrelevant about any of that? It answers perfectly the questions you raised about Wenger's ability and achievements. Or are you still baffled about what the guy brings to the party?


Are you still going on?Shocked

Well here is what Tony Adams thinks:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/arsenal-arsene-wenger-contract-future-tony-adams-cant-let-go-has-addiction-a7761676.html


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Are you still going on?Shocked


Only because you suggested so in #118.

Not sure what you're trying to achieve with your links, especially as Lineker hasn't said Wenger should go and Tony Adams is hardly an authority on football management. You'll be giving us links to Piers Morgan's blinding insights next...

To sum up, I believe Wenger staying is the right decision but can understand why some may have an opposite view. On the other hand, you, Piers and a minority of fans think he should go, but you in particular still seem utterly incapable of understanding the opposite view despite having it presented to you on a plate.


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Are you still going on?Shocked


Only because you suggested so in #118.

Not sure what you're trying to achieve with your links, especially as Lineker hasn't said Wenger should go and Tony Adams is hardly an authority on football management. You'll be giving us links to Piers Morgan's blinding insights next...

To sum up, I believe Wenger staying is the right decision but can understand why some may have an opposite view. On the other hand, you, Piers and a minority of fans think he should go, but you in particular still seem utterly incapable of understanding the opposite view despite having it presented to you on a plate.


There is no rational opposite view!


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It certainly does



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There is no rational opposite view!


As you are very certain of your viewpoint could you please share with me who you have in mind to take over the task of bringing success to the club.



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There is no rational opposite view!


As you are very certain of your viewpoint could you please share with me who you have in mind to take over the task of bringing success to the club.


That is a totally separate issue.

Do you ever actually speak to any Arsenal fans and hear their opinion? They don't want to hound Wenger out, they would rather he bowed out gracefully of his own volition but clearly that's not going to happen. Wenger has become bigger than the club.


(This post was edited by Isaac on May 30, 2017, 8:16 PM)


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That is a totally separate issue.

Do you ever actually speak to any Arsenal fans and hear their opinion? They don't want to hound Wenger out, they would rather he bowed out gracefully of his own volition but clearly that's not going to happen. Wenger has become bigger than the club.


No I haven't spoken to any Arsenal fans although I have read your views. I wonder if the ones I haven't spoken to also have no views on who the replacement should be.



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Think i owe that Izuk fella an apology...Wengers record is appalling!

Manager (July 1984 -present)
Arsenal FC

Winner:
FA Premier League (3): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04
FA Cup (7): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05, 2013–14, 2014-15, 2016-17
FA Community Shield (5): 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2014, 2015

AS Monaco FC
Winner:
Ligue 1: 1987–88
Coupe de France: 1990–91

Nagoya Grampus
Winner:
Emperor's Cup: 1995
J-League Super Cup: 1996

Player (1969-70 - 1980-81)
Strasbourg
Winner:
Ligue 1: 1978–79

Individual
Manager
Arsenal
French Manager of the Year: 2008
Onze d'Or Coach of The Year (4): 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004
Premier League Manager of the Season (3): 1998, 2002, 2004
LMA Manager of the Year (2): 2001–02, 2003–04
IFFHS World Coach of the Decade: 2001–2010
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award (2): 2002, 2004
FWA Tribute Award: 2005
English Football Hall of Fame: 2006
Premier League Manager of the Month (14): March 1998, April 1998, October 2000, April 2002, September 2002, August 2003, February 2004, August 2004, September 2007, December 2007, February 2011, February 2012, September 2013, March 2015

Nagoya Grampus
J. League Manager of the Year: 1995

Decorations:
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Officer of the British Empire: 2003



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You'd have thought anyone who's so adamant that Wenger isn't the best man for the job - to the extent of dismissing any other view as irrational - would have at least some idea of who'd be a better man for the job. Not to would be the very definition of irrational!


(This post was edited by paulh66 on May 30, 2017, 9:12 PM)


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Think i owe that Izuk fella an apology...Wengers record is appalling!

Manager (July 1984 -present)
Arsenal FC

Winner:
FA Premier League (3): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04
FA Cup (7): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05, 2013–14, 2014-15, 2016-17
FA Community Shield (5): 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2014, 2015

AS Monaco FC
Winner:
Ligue 1: 1987–88
Coupe de France: 1990–91

Nagoya Grampus
Winner:
Emperor's Cup: 1995
J-League Super Cup: 1996

Player (1969-70 - 1980-81)
Strasbourg
Winner:
Ligue 1: 1978–79

Individual
Manager
Arsenal
French Manager of the Year: 2008
Onze d'Or Coach of The Year (4): 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004
Premier League Manager of the Season (3): 1998, 2002, 2004
LMA Manager of the Year (2): 2001–02, 2003–04
IFFHS World Coach of the Decade: 2001–2010
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award (2): 2002, 2004
FWA Tribute Award: 2005
English Football Hall of Fame: 2006
Premier League Manager of the Month (14): March 1998, April 1998, October 2000, April 2002, September 2002, August 2003, February 2004, August 2004, September 2007, December 2007, February 2011, February 2012, September 2013, March 2015

Nagoya Grampus
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Decorations:
Freedom of Islington: 2004
Officer of the British Empire: 2003


Exactly, he last one the league 13 YEARS AGO!

During the same period Chelsea have won five titles, four FA Cups, three League Cups, the Champions League and the Europa League.

I really can't see what gooners are moaning about can you?Crazy


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Only the blinkered would think Wenger was a good manager, I think Jose Mourinho's 'specialist in failure' jibe was very apt. All he's done for the club? Like what exactly?


Personally, I think Wenger would be advised to step down and take things easy, however he obviously still has the burning desire to be involved and try for glory.

But the idea that he's not a good manager?! That's a bit far fetched isn't it?


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Only the blinkered would think Wenger was a good manager, I think Jose Mourinho's 'specialist in failure' jibe was very apt. All he's done for the club? Like what exactly?


Personally, I think Wenger would be advised to step down and take things easy, however he obviously still has the burning desire to be involved and try for glory.

But the idea that he's not a good manager?! That's a bit far fetched isn't it?


Well that's obviously subjective but his record over the last 13 years hasn't been great compared to Chelsea and Man Utd.


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to the extent of dismissing any other view as irrational - !


Bit like that political fella on the general forum Wink



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to the extent of dismissing any other view as irrational - !


Bit like that political fella on the general forum Wink


In Reply To

And what have you come up with that is of any significance?


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The opinion that does count is the fans, you know the ones who pay Wengers wages?


The fans don't pay the manager's wages any more than they pay the players wages. Sky and the board pay the wages, far more so than any money coming in through the turnstiles.

If finishing fifth and winning the FA Cup is as much as a disaster as you seem to think it is, (and being in the top four for twenty consecutive years before that) join the real world where teams struggle both on the pitch and financially, occasionally get relegated and even go out of business.

What would be your realistic expectations for A.N.Other manager, in say year two (to give him/her a few transfer windows to build a squad of their own choice)?


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And what have you come up with that is of any significance?


I've come to the conclusion you are deluded.......if that's of any significance



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And what have you come up with that is of any significance?


I've come to the conclusion you are deluded.......if that's of any significance


Go and troll somewhere else Mad


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The opinion that does count is the fans, you know the ones who pay Wengers wages?


The fans don't pay the manager's wages any more than they pay the players wages. Sky and the board pay the wages, far more so than any money coming in through the turnstiles.

If finishing fifth and winning the FA Cup is as much as a disaster as you seem to think it is, (and being in the top four for twenty consecutive years before that) join the real world where teams struggle both on the pitch and financially, occasionally get relegated and even go out of business.

What would be your realistic expectations for A.N.Other manager, in say year two (to give him/her a few transfer windows to build a squad of their own choice)?


The barometer is Chelsea not Leyton Orient!

It's not my expectations but that of fans, who aren't fooled by Saturdays win.


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The barometer is Chelsea not Leyton Orient!
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By your barometer, Chelsea, compared to Bayern, Barca or Real are pretty poor then........



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So wenger is staying this will be interesting to say the least



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Gareth, you are absolutely spot on. Unimpressed

And one story has it that an ancient Chinese curse is "May you live in interesting times". Shocked Probably a Chinese Spurs fan.


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In Reply To

In Reply To

In Reply To

And what have you come up with that is of any significance?


I've come to the conclusion you are deluded.......if that's of any significance


Go and troll somewhere else Mad




Agree with you completely, Issac. Funny how Temps Works Co never seems to attend football matches? I'm sure there are other forums he would be better suited to.


(This post was edited by Chris1963 on Jun 1, 2017, 11:23 PM)


Isaac
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In Reply To

In Reply To

In Reply To

In Reply To

And what have you come up with that is of any significance?


I've come to the conclusion you are deluded.......if that's of any significance


Go and troll somewhere else Mad




Agree with you completely, Issac. Funny how Temps Works Co never seems to attend football matches? I'm sure there are other forums he would be better suited to.


Indeed and as for his bizzare nameMad!


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Funny how Temps Works Co never seems to attend football matches? I'm sure there are other forums he would be better suited to.


Indeed and as for his bizzare nameMad!


To be fair, if you choose "Isaac Hunt" as a nom de plume you can't really take the high ground over other user names!


Isaac
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Funny how Temps Works Co never seems to attend football matches? I'm sure there are other forums he would be better suited to.


Indeed and as for his bizzare nameMad!


To be fair, if you choose "Isaac Hunt" as a nom de plume you can't really take the high ground over other user names!


That does happen to be my real nameCrazy!


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Thanks



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garethwrexy
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Anyone think gunners win the europa league



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Anyone think gunners win the europa league


No.


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Anyone think gunners win the europa league


You. As well as announcing they'll also win the league, FA Cup and League Cup before calling for the manager to go in March. Again.


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I think they will win it



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I don't.



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I think they will win it



Have you stuck a monkey on a Gunners/Wrexham double, again?



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Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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No



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I don't.

I hope they don't!



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No



A pony then?



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Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
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Anyone think gunners win the europa league


Probably the only way they'll qualify for the champions league the following season.


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Or maybe they will win the titleSmile



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No.



July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 127 / 107 / 20 / 5 x 0-0's. (You know my rules) @ 07 / 12 / 2019 . Belgium top 5 tiers 0-0-0-(0-1-0)-(0-1-1-2) / Holland top 4 tiers - 0-0-0-(0-0) / Lux top 2 tiers 0 -2. England top 10 tiers - 0. Now blogging at https://eccentricity.video.blog/



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Well let's see



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Maybe


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Perhaps.



July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 127 / 107 / 20 / 5 x 0-0's. (You know my rules) @ 07 / 12 / 2019 . Belgium top 5 tiers 0-0-0-(0-1-0)-(0-1-1-2) / Holland top 4 tiers - 0-0-0-(0-0) / Lux top 2 tiers 0 -2. England top 10 tiers - 0. Now blogging at https://eccentricity.video.blog/



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Or perhaps not



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Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
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jrev61
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Whatever!



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or whenever?



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garethwrexy
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Well it's never dull with arsenal



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kirby knitters
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Well it's never dull with arsenal

Remember the days of 1-0 to the Arsenal? Dull as dishwater.


garethwrexy
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Long gone are those days for arsenal



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blackdouglas
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I'd welcome them back with vigour if it meant guaranteeing the title.



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buncranaboy
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I'd welcome them back with vigour if it meant guaranteeing the title.


You'd exchange Wenger for vigour ?


blackdouglas
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I'd welcome them back with vigour if it meant guaranteeing the title.


You'd exchange Wenger for vigour ?

No, the dull as dishwater 1-0 wins every week.



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kirby knitters
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I bet you would and who could blame you. The last Chelsea title win under JM was hardly played with the stuff that football dreams are made of, more like playing big numbers at the back and winning especially away with late goals.


garethwrexy
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Win with style I say



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blackdouglas
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A win is a win, you don't get bonus points for being pretty about it.



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jon b
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True. And for the club's fans that's probably enough.

But the rest of us remember the glory boys not the borey boys.


garethwrexy
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Arsenal win 3-1 on sunday



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dottirofhod
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Perhaps.



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blackdouglas
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True. And for the club's fans that's probably enough.

But the rest of us remember the glory boys not the borey boys.


I was born the month after winning the '71 Double & don't remember any of the early 70s stuff, I barely remember the family moving from Dalbeattie to Castle Douglas in the summer of '74. I do remember the dire years of the late 70s & early 80s under Terry Neill & then Don Howe (the only highlights being the '79 Cup Final win and the run to the Cup Winners Cup Final the following year), the FA Cup loses to Ipswich & Wet Sham were particularly disappointing. So the emergence of George Graham as manager was a revelation for me, especially as most of my schoolmates were on the Liverpool bandwagon those days. He said it would take three years to build a squad to win the title, and he delivered right on time.



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windydcfc
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Maybe



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


ladderman
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Aug 6, 2017, 7:55 PM

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John Beck's Cambridge United won with steach. Not a style that was widely appreciated, but style nonetheless. And it was bloody fantastic


Climate Change
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John Beck's Cambridge United won with steach. Not a style that was widely appreciated, but style nonetheless. And it was bloody fantastic


What is steach?



I don't need Google. I have a Hoddy.


ladderman
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Aug 6, 2017, 9:35 PM

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It's similar to style but on a shit phoneSmile


garethwrexy
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Your great talker aren't you really grasp the mood



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windydcfc
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Your great talker aren't you really grasp the mood



Sometimes



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


garethwrexy
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Aug 11, 2017, 10:36 PM

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Arsenal won 4-3 tonightSmile



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dottirofhod
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Aug 11, 2017, 10:54 PM

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They did.



July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 127 / 107 / 20 / 5 x 0-0's. (You know my rules) @ 07 / 12 / 2019 . Belgium top 5 tiers 0-0-0-(0-1-0)-(0-1-1-2) / Holland top 4 tiers - 0-0-0-(0-0) / Lux top 2 tiers 0 -2. England top 10 tiers - 0. Now blogging at https://eccentricity.video.blog/



TOPCAT
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ARSENQAL are now top

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jon b
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Arsenal won 4-3 tonightSmile


Obviously, a great spectacle and an encouraging start for Arsenal but not so great for a team that scores three times and loses.

Maybe putting Huth and Maguire together at centre defence will steady things for the Foxes. But neither are the speediest defenders around.


yorkieexile
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So Arsenal top the PL table.

At this stage last season, Hull City topped the table, and ended up being relegated.

Could Arsenal repeat that achievement?Smile


kirby knitters
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Seven minutes from the boo boys and the expense of ordering more banner flying planes over the PL grounds of England and the master tactician strikes again!!Sly


jon b
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Seven minutes from the boo boys and the expense of ordering more banner flying planes over the PL grounds of England and the master tactician strikes again!!Sly


Biggles on stand-by?


kirby knitters
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Seven minutes from the boo boys and the expense of ordering more banner flying planes over the PL grounds of England and the master tactician strikes again!!Sly


Biggles on stand-by?
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Certainly is now.
I have often read on here about the fudging of crowd figures at NL football, well clubs that participate in such a dastardly pastime are certainly in good company. 58,426 at Arsenal last night? Yeah right!!



dottirofhod
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Mar 2, 2018, 10:32 AM

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No fudge, as we ALL (?) know Arsenal include season ticket holders in attendances.



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kirby knitters
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Of course they doBlush There was talk last season of the club stripping season tickets from holders who were not attending games.


Tykeoldboy
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Of course they doBlush There was talk last season of the club stripping season tickets from holders who were not attending games.


Arsenal think having a season ticket means compulsory attendance? I can't see that standing up in court but I wouldn't put it past a club to treat it's supporters in this way.



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kirby knitters
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Of course they doBlush There was talk last season of the club stripping season tickets from holders who were not attending games.


Arsenal think having a season ticket means compulsory attendance? I can't see that standing up in court but I wouldn't put it past a club to treat it's supporters in this way.

I'm sure it was discussed on here but i can't find it.

They claimed other fans could have purchased the seats for games that were being left vacant by people that were boycotting them. I heard no more about it so assume they realise they woulnd't have a leg to stand on if it reached court. Doubtless in the back of their minds was also the lost revenue on other things by the absent fans.


garethwrexy
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Wenger time is up



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jrev61
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Of course they doBlush There was talk last season of the club stripping season tickets from holders who were not attending games.


Arsenal think having a season ticket means compulsory attendance? I can't see that standing up in court but I wouldn't put it past a club to treat it's supporters in this way.

I'm sure it was discussed on here but i can't find it.

They claimed other fans could have purchased the seats for games that were being left vacant by people that were boycotting them. I heard no more about it so assume they realise they woulnd't have a leg to stand on if it reached court. Doubtless in the back of their minds was also the lost revenue on other things by the absent fans.


Surely last night it was more the case that fans couldn't get to or from the ground by public transport rather than a boycott. Despite being a North London club Arsenal have a fair bit of support from Kent, Surrey etc and if trains were stopping at 8pm getting anywhere, apart from on the underground would be a problem.



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kirby knitters
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Of course they doBlush There was talk last season of the club stripping season tickets from holders who were not attending games.


Arsenal think having a season ticket means compulsory attendance? I can't see that standing up in court but I wouldn't put it past a club to treat it's supporters in this way.

I'm sure it was discussed on here but i can't find it.

They claimed other fans could have purchased the seats for games that were being left vacant by people that were boycotting them. I heard no more about it so assume they realise they woulnd't have a leg to stand on if it reached court. Doubtless in the back of their minds was also the lost revenue on other things by the absent fans.


Surely last night it was more the case that fans couldn't get to or from the ground by public transport rather than a boycott. Despite being a North London club Arsenal have a fair bit of support from Kent, Surrey etc and if trains were stopping at 8pm getting anywhere, apart from on the underground would be a problem.

Certainly and that would explain the poor Tottenham gate the night before but will we be seeing loads of empty seats for the remainder of the season at Arsenal? I would not be at all surprised.


Tykeoldboy
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If season ticket holders stay away then where is the problem. OK there are empty seats but the season ticket has already been paid for it. Would Arsenal allow fans to resell tickets for games they can't/won't attend, probably not, but the club themselves would be prepared to resell a seat if they could to make a few extra quid.



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Wheelbarrow
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but the club themselves would be prepared to resell a seat if they could to make a few extra quid.


It's part and parcel of the ticket sames scheme now, called the ticket exchange or something similar. It's marketed as an additional way for more lowly level members to get tickets for games beyond the allowance for that level.


kirby knitters
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Very much looking like St Totteringham day will be celebrated early this season.Sly


UKPunk
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Very much looking like St Totteringham day will be celebrated early this season.Sly

No, that's been cancelled (again).

It's St. Arsening day that we'll be celebrating. Sly



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garethwrexy
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Who do you think next arsenal boss will be



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Tykeoldboy
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Who do you think next arsenal boss will be


Whoever it is, English won't e there native language. Eddie Howe will be mentioned because his name always seem to come up when their are vacancies.



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kirby knitters
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Some quotes attributed to Wenger today more than give the impression that he has no intention of walking away and will be seeing his contract out.


cope1
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He'll never walk away, he needs to be pushed. I have no idea who would be a good candidate to replace him and I don't bother speculating, but if you look at the paucity of performances from a group of players who aren't as bad as they make out, it should be an attractive option for many, even if it's a stepping stone to the likes of Real, Barça et al. I think most Arsenal fans just want to see the players be the sum of their parts, and if they pick up the odd cup here or there all the better.


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Isaac
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He'll never walk away, he needs to be pushed. I have no idea who would be a good candidate to replace him and I don't bother speculating, but if you look at the paucity of performances from a group of players who aren't as bad as they make out, it should be an attractive option for many, even if it's a stepping stone to the likes of Real, Barça et al. I think most Arsenal fans just want to see the players be the sum of their parts, and if they pick up the odd cup here or there all the better.


Indeed and quite honestly I think Wenger should have been sacked years go, he's lived on past glories for far too long. He's in a comfort zone and so are many of the players.


garethwrexy
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I go with Tony Adams Smile



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buncranaboy
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I go with Tony Adams Smile


Yes, he did very well in Spain didn't he - on a par with Gary Neville probably


blackdouglas
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I go with Tony Adams Smile

Well when he was in charge of Wycombe it is said that the players didn't have a clue about what he was going on about 3/4s of the time, I'm sure he'll go down a storm at London Colney.



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I go with Tony Adams Smile


Yes, he did very well in Spain didn't he - on a par with Gary Neville probably


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With Arsenal into the last 8 of the Europa League they could end up qualifying for the 2018-19 Champions League and win a major trophy which is what Arsenal fans want, iss't it?



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With Arsenal into the last 8 of the Europa League they could end up qualifying for the 2018-19 Champions League and win a major trophy which is what Arsenal fans want, iss't it?


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Maybe



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Maybe


I have got no idea what you are replying "Maybe" to...


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There should be a good few happy Gunners fans around as Wenger has confirmed he is off at the seasons end.


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Gunners fans will never be happy


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Gunners fans will never be happy


Need a good relegation scrap, they do.


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Massive shoes to fill and it'll surely take time for any new man to impose his identity on the club, not just on the team. Probably the right time to go, though, and I'm glad he's been able to leave on his own terms with his head held high.


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Almost 22 years in post and never less than a sixth placed finish in the top flight.

49 games unbeaten in one season......Seven FA Cups, 3 Championships and a European Final is quite a haul.

Will Arsenal replace him with an ex-Gunner?
Viera looks like everybody's favourite.


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Would Viera be a risk? Probably not as he knows the club inside out and i remember the paper headlines with 'Arsene Who' the Wenger was appointed and that didn't turn out bad.


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Massive shoes to fill and it'll surely take time for any new man to impose his identity on the club, not just on the team. Probably the right time to go, though, and I'm glad he's been able to leave on his own terms with his head held high.


Hardly, he should have gone a decade ago!


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They could still just as easily go backwards as well as forwards with this change. In some ways - not quite the same but similar to Ferguson's departure - succeeding a legend might be far more difficult than succeeding his successor.

Either way, the new man will have his work cut out with City, Liverpool, United and arguably Spurs improving a lot this season, and Chelsea presumably rebuilding in the coming months.


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In five years time, when Arsenal are regular mid-table dwellers, their fans will be pining for the sort of finishes Wenger regularly achieved for them.


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In five years time, when Arsenal are regular mid-table dwellers, their fans will be pining for the sort of finishes Wenger regularly achieved for them.


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In five years time, when Arsenal are regular mid-table dwellers, their fans will be pining for the sort of finishes Wenger regularly achieved for them.

Arsenal would be in mid-table if Wenger stayed five more years.

Yes, it will be tricky replacing him, but his time came many years ago. It is good that he has made the choice himself and I, like most other fans, will miss him, but that cannot hide the fact that the team has been declining for some time. To stick with him - as some think Arsenal should - would be sticking their heads in the sand, afraid of change.


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I thought I'd write a bit more about my feelings on Arsene's reign coming to an end:

I have been a member of the 'Wenger Out!' for many years now, and I fully believe it was clear a decade ago that he was not a match for the top managers around him. If it wasn't for his prior achievements and his evident love of the club I don't think he would have been given nearly so much leeway.

However, I want to be clear about how I feel about M. Wenger, and why I think he should go, not least because I think many Arsenal fans feel the same, and it is not mean or selfish, despite what so many outsiders like to think. We love Arsene, and we revere him. But that is harder and harder to do the longer the obvious decline of the team continues.

The club is, by some estimates, the 5th richest in the world, yet it is not even 5th in the Premier League. More worryingly to someone like me is the evidence when watching matches that there is not a winning culture at the club anymore. Where once Wenger inspired players to victory he clearly no longer has that influence. It's all well and good to point to the fact that the team are still in the top six, but that's no aspiration for a club with such resources. That's the very definition of resting on your laurels.

The many of us who feel so strongly about Arsene do not want to see his star fade further and further. Of course we want Arsenal to win, but more than anything, we don't want to see him sink in stature by carrying on when times have moved on, and he has clearly been left behind.

I will miss seeing him prowling the touchline and, as he is probably the last Arsenal-related link I have to my dad who died in 2004, I don't know how I will feel about Arsenal with a new manager in charge. But time moves forward and the club needs to pull up its socks, stop trying to live in the 90s and start achieving its potential for a new generation.


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I thought I'd write a bit more about my feelings on Arsene's reign coming to an end:

I have been a member of the 'Wenger Out!' for many years now, and I fully believe it was clear a decade ago that he was not a match for the top managers around him. If it wasn't for his prior achievements and his evident love of the club I don't think he would have been given nearly so much leeway.

However, I want to be clear about how I feel about M. Wenger, and why I think he should go, not least because I think many Arsenal fans feel the same, and it is not mean or selfish, despite what so many outsiders like to think. We love Arsene, and we revere him. But that is harder and harder to do the longer the obvious decline of the team continues.

The club is, by some estimates, the 5th richest in the world, yet it is not even 5th in the Premier League. More worryingly to someone like me is the evidence when watching matches that there is not a winning culture at the club anymore. Where once Wenger inspired players to victory he clearly no longer has that influence. It's all well and good to point to the fact that the team are still in the top six, but that's no aspiration for a club with such resources. That's the very definition of resting on your laurels.

The many of us who feel so strongly about Arsene do not want to see his star fade further and further. Of course we want Arsenal to win, but more than anything, we don't want to see him sink in stature by carrying on when times have moved on, and he has clearly been left behind.

I will miss seeing him prowling the touchline and, as he is probably the last Arsenal-related link I have to my dad who died in 2004, I don't know how I will feel about Arsenal with a new manager in charge. But time moves forward and the club needs to pull up its socks, stop trying to live in the 90s and start achieving its potential for a new generation.


I think you've summed it up very well and gooners that I know have expressed similar sentiments, Wengers achievement in his early days are now a distant memory and the lasting memory is a decade of under achievement.

I suspect the club made the decision and quite honestly I think it's one that they should taken years ago, presumably they already have a replacement lined up? I have to say that I don't get the comparisons with Fergie leaving Man Utd, the circumstances are completely different.


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The club is, by some estimates, the 5th richest in the world, yet it is not even 5th in the Premier League.


They are some way behind the resources available to the top 3 financial behemoths in the Premier League, 4th richest at best (maybe alongside Liverpool) and last season was the first time in over 20 years that they finished below 4th in the league. To me that implies they have been over achieving in recent years with Wenger, and it is unlikely that a new manager will be able to improve on that consistently. They've had a couple of down years, but even then 5th and presumably 6th in the country, along with perhaps a European trophy, good luck on doing better than that with a new manager.


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The club is, by some estimates, the 5th richest in the world, yet it is not even 5th in the Premier League.


They are some way behind the resources available to the top 3 financial behemoths in the Premier League, 4th richest at best (maybe alongside Liverpool) and last season was the first time in over 20 years that they finished below 4th in the league. To me that implies they have been over achieving in recent years with Wenger, and it is unlikely that a new manager will be able to improve on that consistently. They've had a couple of down years, but even then 5th and presumably 6th in the country, along with perhaps a European trophy, good luck on doing better than that with a new manager.


Hmm, try telling their disgruntled fans that they have been over achieving. They pay top dollar for season tickets and the club have been stagnating in recent years. I would expect a considerable improvement if they make the right appointment.


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Big Sam might be available soon.


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When Curbishley left Charlton, there was at least a logical possibility that the new manager would achieve more. What actually happened was that we reverted not just to our natural position based on crowd sizes, but rather lower than that. Oops.
I agree that it was time for Wenger to move on, and probably a year or so beyond time, but nothing's guaranteed in this life.



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They are some way behind the resources available to the top 3 financial behemoths in the Premier League, 4th richest at best (maybe alongside Liverpool) and last season was the first time in over 20 years that they finished below 4th in the league. To me that implies they have been over achieving in recent years with Wenger, and it is unlikely that a new manager will be able to improve on that consistently. They've had a couple of down years, but even then 5th and presumably 6th in the country, along with perhaps a European trophy, good luck on doing better than that with a new manager.

Whether they will do worse with the successor or not is always going to be subjective and that chance will have to be taken sooner or later, but wherever you think Arsenal rank in the top echelons of world football they have underachieved for some time, and the club need to have the courage to find a new manager to take them forward.

What is frustrating for me, as an Arsenal fan, is all those who wish we could turn back the clock defending Wenger - and criticising the Arsenal fans who protest against him - because they think they can somehow save the past by doing so. There are many Arsenal fans who would love to turn back the clock, myself included, to a 'better' time in football, but the game has moved on, no matter what any of us think, and Arsenal Football Club need to be pushing forward. This year's team wouldn't qualify for Europe if it weren't for the fact that the two cup winners have already done so. In five years' time they could be mid-table. You can't let these things slide, and it's ridiculous that so many pundits think that Arsenal fans should accept that kind of mediocrity.

If Arsenal are a mid-table team in five years' time Arsene Wenger will be sad about it. I want to see them get it together and make him proud by pushing on and exceeding expectations.


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Quite remarkably Arsenal are the only team in all four divisions not to have picked up a single point away from home in 2018, that'll look good on Wenger's CV unless they can get something at Huddersfield.


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Quite remarkably Arsenal are the only team in all four divisions not to have picked up a single point away from home in 2018, that'll look good on Wenger's CV unless they can get something at Huddersfield.


I'm sure Wenger will be putting to the top of his CV the fact that he achieved a top 4 place in the Premier League for 20 successive seasons whilst not having the financial resources of other big clubs who couldnt match that feat.



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Why would he want another management job?

He can surely afford to just put his feet up now.


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Why would he want another management job?

He can surely afford to just put his feet up now.


It's not about money. He doesn't want to give up the day to day involvement in football.


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Quite remarkably Arsenal are the only team in all four divisions not to have picked up a single point away from home in 2018, that'll look good on Wenger's CV unless they can get something at Huddersfield.


I'm sure Wenger will be putting to the top of his CV the fact that he achieved a top 4 place in the Premier League for 20 successive seasons whilst not having the financial resources of other big clubs who couldnt match that feat.


Funny but fans who are paying top dollar for season tickets expect a bit more than a top four finish.


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Quite remarkably Arsenal are the only team in all four divisions not to have picked up a single point away from home in 2018, that'll look good on Wenger's CV unless they can get something at Huddersfield.


I'm sure Wenger will be putting to the top of his CV the fact that he achieved a top 4 place in the Premier League for 20 successive seasons whilst not having the financial resources of other big clubs who couldnt match that feat.


Funny but fans who are paying top dollar for season tickets expect a bit more than a top four finish.


Wengers record at Arsenal is quite remarkable. Arsenal fans need to take their frustrations out on Kroenke and Gazidis who want to look after their shareholders rather than attract bigger named players. They know new signings will always get more money going to Man U, Man City and Chelsea hence Why van Persie Left for Man U. If the next Manager promised the board the minimum he would achieved for the club in the next 20 years would be a top 4 finish every season,they would bite his hand off.



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Quite remarkably Arsenal are the only team in all four divisions not to have picked up a single point away from home in 2018, that'll look good on Wenger's CV unless they can get something at Huddersfield.


I'm sure Wenger will be putting to the top of his CV the fact that he achieved a top 4 place in the Premier League for 20 successive seasons whilst not having the financial resources of other big clubs who couldnt match that feat.


Funny but fans who are paying top dollar for season tickets expect a bit more than a top four finish.


That applies to fans of many clubs, not just Arsenal.


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Quite remarkably Arsenal are the only team in all four divisions not to have picked up a single point away from home in 2018, that'll look good on Wenger's CV unless they can get something at Huddersfield.


I'm sure Wenger will be putting to the top of his CV the fact that he achieved a top 4 place in the Premier League for 20 successive seasons whilst not having the financial resources of other big clubs who couldnt match that feat.


Funny but fans who are paying top dollar for season tickets expect a bit more than a top four finish.


How much is top dollar?


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Quite remarkably Arsenal are the only team in all four divisions not to have picked up a single point away from home in 2018, that'll look good on Wenger's CV unless they can get something at Huddersfield.


I'm sure Wenger will be putting to the top of his CV the fact that he achieved a top 4 place in the Premier League for 20 successive seasons whilst not having the financial resources of other big clubs who couldnt match that feat.


Funny but fans who are paying top dollar for season tickets expect a bit more than a top four finish.


Wengers record at Arsenal is quite remarkable. Arsenal fans need to take their frustrations out on Kroenke and Gazidis who want to look after their shareholders rather than attract bigger named players. They know new signings will always get more money going to Man U, Man City and Chelsea hence Why van Persie Left for Man U. If the next Manager promised the board the minimum he would achieved for the club in the next 20 years would be a top 4 finish every season,they would bite his hand off.


I don't think remarkable is quite the world I'd use.

Let's have a reality check, in the final reckoning Arsenal have finished a whopping 37 points behind Manchester City and 12 points behind Liverpool in fourth place. Prior to todays win at Huddersfield in a game that was apparently played at testimonial pace they were the only club in the football league not to have picked up a single point away from home in 2018, are the fans really supposed to be happy with that?

Last season they finished 18 points behind Chelsea and the season before when they did actually manage second place in what was generally regarded as the poorest premier league for quite a while they were still 10 points behind Leicester City.

And what's the big deal about champions league qualification? They never come anywhere near winning it apart from when they reached the final 12 years ago. Their last CL game finished in a humiliating 10-2 aggregate annihilation at the hands of Bayern Munich.

They had a decent run in the Europa League this season until they came up against a half decent Atletico Madrid side and even from the stands Diego Simeone totally outsmarted the hapless Wenger in the tactical department.

Yes Wenger did well initially but the last major trophy he won was 14 years ago.

Jose Mourinho's specialist in failure jibe seems highly appropriate!


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Is the FA Cup not a major trophy? Media Darlings Liverpool & Tottenham would love to win a ‘minor’ trophy such as this.



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Is the FA Cup not a major trophy? Media Darlings Liverpool & Tottenham would love to win a ‘minor’ trophy such as this.


No it isn't nowadays, whoever wins it this year it won't detract from the fact that they've had a pretty poor season.


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Does that mean that everyone bar the League Winners have had a pretty poor season ? Oh, and Liverpool should they pull it off in Kiev.


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Does that mean that everyone bar the League Winners have had a pretty poor season ? Oh, and Liverpool should they pull it off in Kiev.


I'm sure Huddersfield Town fans are delighted with their achievements this season and I don't suppose Burnley fans are too unhappy either, different clubs have different expectations.


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I'm not sure what you're argument is Isaac.If its Wenger isn't a good Manager then that had already been disproved by previously stated winning 3 League titles7 Fa cups and a top 4 finish for 20 successive seasons. As for not winning the League title for 12 years I have covered that. Ask yourself again Why did Van Persie and Sanchez Leave for Rivals Man U. Not to enjoy the Manchester nighlife and scenery I assume.



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Does that mean that everyone bar the League Winners have had a pretty poor season ? Oh, and Liverpool should they pull it off in Kiev.


You fail if you don't qualify for the European 'runners up' league. Qualifying for the European 'runners up, runners league' is a failure. (Unless your Burnley).

Cups? Baubles, nice to hang on the tree but only decoration after all they're not the Premier League.

Anything outside of that is worthless, football league, non-league all a waste of time and space not worth an iota of consideration.

Unimpressed


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I'm sure Huddersfield Town fans are delighted with their achievements this season and I don't suppose Burnley fans are too unhappy either, different clubs have different expectations.


Only deluded Arsenal fans would have expected a title challenge this season so I would say the season has panned out much as most expected. And if you think the current crop will challenge under a new manager next season, then you too are deluded.
Speaking of next season then, do you think finishing in the top four will be deemed a successful season ?


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Arsenal are still regularly out performing similar sized clubs such as Tottenham Hotspur, Everton, Aston Villa and Newcastle United. So they've ended up behind Spurs the last two seasons. Wenger must be really rubbish.


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I'm not sure what you're argument is Isaac.If its Wenger isn't a good Manager then that had already been disproved by previously stated winning 3 League titles7 Fa cups and a top 4 finish for 20 successive seasons. As for not winning the League title for 12 years I have covered that. Ask yourself again Why did Van Persie and Sanchez Leave for Rivals Man U. Not to enjoy the Manchester nighlife and scenery I assume.


The last title win was 14 years ago and fans expect a bit more than a top four finish, Wenger has been in a comfort zone for years and so have many of the players.


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Managing a top 4 club with one hand tied behind your back because of the financial constraints after the move cannot have been an easy thing to do. Yes there have been some big money signings but they have not been able to compete with the other big clubs. All things considered Wenger has done a fantastic job at Arsenal when others may well have walked away and he had many opportunities to do so.


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Managing a top 4 club with one hand tied behind your back because of the financial constraints after the move cannot have been an easy thing to do. Yes there have been some big money signings but they have not been able to compete with the other big clubs. All things considered Wenger has done a fantastic job at Arsenal when others may well have walked away and he had many opportunities to do so.



That's beginning to sound like an excuse, many of the failings have been totally down to Wenger, the Atletico Madrid game for example. Fans, well certainly the ones I know, have been begging him to walk away for years, it's only because of his own arrogance and stubbornness that he hasn't done so. I suspect the only reason he's going now is because the club have realised that the situation just cannot continue.


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Managing a top 4 club with one hand tied behind your back because of the financial constraints after the move cannot have been an easy thing to do. Yes there have been some big money signings but they have not been able to compete with the other big clubs. All things considered Wenger has done a fantastic job at Arsenal when others may well have walked away and he had many opportunities to do so.



That's beginning to sound like an excuse, many of the failings have been totally down to Wenger, the Atletico Madrid game for example. Fans, well certainly the ones I know, have been begging him to walk away for years, it's only because of his own arrogance and stubbornness that he hasn't done so. I suspect the only reason he's going now is because the club have realised that the situation just cannot continue.


Arsenal fans are deluded. What did they expect this season, to win the title surely not as it was won by perhaps the best club side since the premier league began. Manchester City were a mile ahead of everyone else. Maybe the FA cup or Europa league. Oh wait a minute that wouldn't have been regarded as a success. Love the way you always avoid the questions. Maybe you are a politician under all that disguise.



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Managing a top 4 club with one hand tied behind your back because of the financial constraints after the move cannot have been an easy thing to do. Yes there have been some big money signings but they have not been able to compete with the other big clubs. All things considered Wenger has done a fantastic job at Arsenal when others may well have walked away and he had many opportunities to do so.



That's beginning to sound like an excuse, many of the failings have been totally down to Wenger, the Atletico Madrid game for example. Fans, well certainly the ones I know, have been begging him to walk away for years, it's only because of his own arrogance and stubbornness that he hasn't done so. I suspect the only reason he's going now is because the club have realised that the situation just cannot continue.


Arsenal fans are deluded. What did they expect this season, to win the title surely not as it was won by perhaps the best club side since the premier league began. Manchester City were a mile ahead of everyone else. Maybe the FA cup or Europa league. Oh wait a minute that wouldn't have been regarded as a success. Love the way you always avoid the questions. Maybe you are a politician under all that disguise.


What question have I avoided?

Perhaps you'd like to explain to Arsenal fans why they are deluded, I mean how dare they expect their team to challenge for the title or the champions league?


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You avoided my question.


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You avoided my question.


How remiss of me, top four would obviously be an improvement but for most gooners winning the title or the champions league will be success.


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Managing a top 4 club with one hand tied behind your back because of the financial constraints after the move cannot have been an easy thing to do. Yes there have been some big money signings but they have not been able to compete with the other big clubs. All things considered Wenger has done a fantastic job at Arsenal when others may well have walked away and he had many opportunities to do so.



That's beginning to sound like an excuse, many of the failings have been totally down to Wenger, the Atletico Madrid game for example. Fans, well certainly the ones I know, have been begging him to walk away for years, it's only because of his own arrogance and stubbornness that he hasn't done so. I suspect the only reason he's going now is because the club have realised that the situation just cannot continue.


Arsenal fans are deluded. What did they expect this season, to win the title surely not as it was won by perhaps the best club side since the premier league began. Manchester City were a mile ahead of everyone else. Maybe the FA cup or Europa league. Oh wait a minute that wouldn't have been regarded as a success. Love the way you always avoid the questions. Maybe you are a politician under all that disguise.


What question have I avoided?

Perhaps you'd like to explain to Arsenal fans why they are deluded, I mean how dare they expect their team to challenge for the title or the champions league?


Deluded because they think they have a divine right to win the league title. When they stop selling players to rival clubs and can match the salaries of what other clubs are paying their players they might have a case.

Ironic they would have won the league 2 years ago if hadnt have been for those 5000-1 no hopers.



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Managing a top 4 club with one hand tied behind your back because of the financial constraints after the move cannot have been an easy thing to do. Yes there have been some big money signings but they have not been able to compete with the other big clubs. All things considered Wenger has done a fantastic job at Arsenal when others may well have walked away and he had many opportunities to do so.



That's beginning to sound like an excuse, many of the failings have been totally down to Wenger, the Atletico Madrid game for example. Fans, well certainly the ones I know, have been begging him to walk away for years, it's only because of his own arrogance and stubbornness that he hasn't done so. I suspect the only reason he's going now is because the club have realised that the situation just cannot continue.


Arsenal fans are deluded. What did they expect this season, to win the title surely not as it was won by perhaps the best club side since the premier league began. Manchester City were a mile ahead of everyone else. Maybe the FA cup or Europa league. Oh wait a minute that wouldn't have been regarded as a success. Love the way you always avoid the questions. Maybe you are a politician under all that disguise.


What question have I avoided?

Perhaps you'd like to explain to Arsenal fans why they are deluded, I mean how dare they expect their team to challenge for the title or the champions league?


Deluded because they think they have a divine right to win the league title. When they stop selling players to rival clubs and can match the salaries of what other clubs are paying their players they might have a case.

Ironic they would have won the league 2 years ago if hadnt have been for those 5000-1 no hopers.


I think it's you that is deluded, nobody thinks they have a divine right to win the league.


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What is the minimum that you'd regard as an acceptable season for Arsenal?


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Managing a top 4 club with one hand tied behind your back because of the financial constraints after the move cannot have been an easy thing to do. Yes there have been some big money signings but they have not been able to compete with the other big clubs. All things considered Wenger has done a fantastic job at Arsenal when others may well have walked away and he had many opportunities to do so.



That's beginning to sound like an excuse, many of the failings have been totally down to Wenger, the Atletico Madrid game for example. Fans, well certainly the ones I know, have been begging him to walk away for years, it's only because of his own arrogance and stubbornness that he hasn't done so. I suspect the only reason he's going now is because the club have realised that the situation just cannot continue.


Arsenal fans are deluded. What did they expect this season, to win the title surely not as it was won by perhaps the best club side since the premier league began. Manchester City were a mile ahead of everyone else. Maybe the FA cup or Europa league. Oh wait a minute that wouldn't have been regarded as a success. Love the way you always avoid the questions. Maybe you are a politician under all that disguise.


What question have I avoided?

Perhaps you'd like to explain to Arsenal fans why they are deluded, I mean how dare they expect their team to challenge for the title or the champions league?


Deluded because they think they have a divine right to win the league title. When they stop selling players to rival clubs and can match the salaries of what other clubs are paying their players they might have a case.

Ironic they would have won the league 2 years ago if hadnt have been for those 5000-1 no hopers.


I think it's you that is deluded, nobody thinks they have a divine right to win the league.


Well winning a shed loàd of cups and 3 League titles during his reign is obviously not regarded as a success, Do reminder me Why Arsenal fans were calling for Wenger's head based on your above reply?



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They go on about that Chapman bloke way back but his European record was even worse then Wengers Tongue


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Managing a top 4 club with one hand tied behind your back because of the financial constraints after the move cannot have been an easy thing to do. Yes there have been some big money signings but they have not been able to compete with the other big clubs. All things considered Wenger has done a fantastic job at Arsenal when others may well have walked away and he had many opportunities to do so.



That's beginning to sound like an excuse, many of the failings have been totally down to Wenger, the Atletico Madrid game for example. Fans, well certainly the ones I know, have been begging him to walk away for years, it's only because of his own arrogance and stubbornness that he hasn't done so. I suspect the only reason he's going now is because the club have realised that the situation just cannot continue.


Arsenal fans are deluded. What did they expect this season, to win the title surely not as it was won by perhaps the best club side since the premier league began. Manchester City were a mile ahead of everyone else. Maybe the FA cup or Europa league. Oh wait a minute that wouldn't have been regarded as a success. Love the way you always avoid the questions. Maybe you are a politician under all that disguise.


What question have I avoided?

Perhaps you'd like to explain to Arsenal fans why they are deluded, I mean how dare they expect their team to challenge for the title or the champions league?


Deluded because they think they have a divine right to win the league title. When they stop selling players to rival clubs and can match the salaries of what other clubs are paying their players they might have a case.

Ironic they would have won the league 2 years ago if hadnt have been for those 5000-1 no hopers.


I think it's you that is deluded, nobody thinks they have a divine right to win the league.


Well winning a shed loàd of cups and 3 League titles during his reign is obviously not regarded as a success, Do reminder me Why Arsenal fans were calling for Wenger's head based on your above reply?


The last title win was 14 years ago!


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What is the minimum that you'd regard as an acceptable season for Arsenal?


That's a question for an Arsenal season ticket holder.


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What is the minimum that you'd regard as an acceptable season for Arsenal?


That's a question for an Arsenal season ticket holder.


You've had plenty to say about what you consider to be the club's underachievement but you don't want to share your opinion on what would be acceptable for the club?


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What is the minimum that you'd regard as an acceptable season for Arsenal?


That's a question for an Arsenal season ticket holder.


You've had plenty to say about what you consider to be the club's underachievement but you don't want to share your opinion on what would be acceptable for the club?


I'm just echoing the sentiments I hear from Arsenal fans which are totally at odds with the Wenger love in on here.

Personally I couldn't care less where they finish but I would imagine for most Arsenal fans a top four finish would be a minimum expectation, wouldn't you?


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I'm just echoing the sentiments I hear from Arsenal fans which are totally at odds with the Wenger love in on here.

Personally I couldn't care less where they finish but I would imagine for most Arsenal fans a top four finish would be a minimum expectation, wouldn't you?


Yet top 4 was never good enough for the fans whose sentiments you claim to echo.

Top 4 is a realistic target for them but, other than City, none of the others in the current top 6 can just "expect" a top 4 finish these days.


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I'm just echoing the sentiments I hear from Arsenal fans which are totally at odds with the Wenger love in on here.

Personally I couldn't care less where they finish but I would imagine for most Arsenal fans a top four finish would be a minimum expectation, wouldn't you?


Yet top 4 was never good enough for the fans whose sentiments you claim to echo.

Top 4 is a realistic target for them but, other than City, none of the others in the current top 6 can just "expect" a top 4 finish these days.


In case you haven't noticed this is the second year in a row that Arsenal haven't made the top four. Chelsea fans aren't particularly happy with 5th place even though they won the title last season and may win the FA Cup this season.

Certain clubs have certain expectations!


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Yes I'd spotted that. But, in case you hadn't noticed, six into four doesn't go. So the arrogance of expectation or entitlement that still lingers amongst certain fans from the years when the top of the EPL was a three or four club cartel needs to be replaced by an acceptance that there are now six clubs at the table. Expectation needs to be replaced by aspiration. Though expecting a certain breed of EPL 'fan' to shed a sense of entitlement is rather a stretch, I grant you.


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They go on about that Chapman bloke way back but his European record was even worse then Wengers Tongue


But Chapman only won 2 league titles with Arsenal, one less than Wenger, although Chapman did win another 2 with Huddersfield



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Yes I'd spotted that. But, in case you hadn't noticed, six into four doesn't go. So the arrogance of expectation or entitlement that still lingers amongst certain fans from the years when the top of the EPL was a three or four club cartel needs to be replaced by an acceptance that there are now six clubs at the table. Expectation needs to be replaced by aspiration. Though expecting a certain breed of EPL 'fan' to shed a sense of entitlement is rather a stretch, I grant you.


It's nothing to do with arrogance, with certain clubs come certain expectations.


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Which two teams out the current top 5 would you expect Arsenal to finish above next season?

Any Gooner who simply turns up expecting Arsenal to finish in top 4 next season is, if not arrogant, then deluded. There is no basis to justify such an expectation given the relative size and standard of opposition. Top 4 is a reasonable aim, but that's all it is.


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Which two teams out the current top 5 would you expect Arsenal to finish above next season?

Any Gooner who simply turns up expecting Arsenal to finish in top 4 next season is, if not arrogant, then deluded. There is no basis to justify such an expectation given the relative size and standard of opposition. Top 4 is a reasonable aim, but that's all it is.


Are you just trolling or what?


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No. Simply discussing the changing expectations around a football club. If you don't want to debate the points you've raised about it on a discussion forum then fair enough.


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I see Arsenal have lost their first two league games of the season. When did this last happen to them? And will the fans soon be demanding the return of Wenger?


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I see Arsenal have lost their first two league games of the season. When did this last happen to them? And will the fans soon be demanding the return of Wenger?


Football fans always seem to think the grass is always greener and things will be better with a new manager and in most cases it isn't. With the playing talent Arsenal have you would expect a quick turnaround and pushing for a CL place at the of the season, but I think they could end up top half of the table but outside the European places.



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Contrary to popular and lazy misconception they didn't want Wenger out because they thought they'd win the league as soon as a new boss came in, they wanted Wenger to avoid slipping further away from the top sides and to actually get some ambition back at the club. A decade of slowly rolling back down the hill, living off big wins against the weaker sides and celebrating endless Champions League qualification (yay, we can go out meakly in the last 16) will not be undone in a couple of months.

The only reason the City game would have been worthy of discussion is if City hadn't won while the Chelsea game wasn't terrible and, if anything, give Chelsea fans more cause for concern given their starting position.

I expect the team will finish in the Europe League places once more this season but they have more chance of bettering that than they would have had under Wenger when they'd have succumbed, meakly to any real challenge. I'd like to see Leno and Torreira start but have been impressed by Guendouzi. Hopefully we can get a cup win to sweeten the season,. Either way, it's far too early to judge the team now and even if Emery does not turn out to be the answer, Wenger had ceased to be that long ago.


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Come back Wenger !



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Emery out, I'd grant you, but please don't bring Wenger back!
Mourinho would've been a reasonable appointment as he might have got the frigging defence sorted, something no one else has managed since Patrick Vieira left :(


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Emery out, I'd grant you, but please don't bring Wenger back!
Mourinho would've been a reasonable appointment as he might have got the frigging defence sorted, something no one else has managed since Patrick Vieira left :(


I think defeat at Norwich could be the final straw for Emery but bringing Wenger back even until the end of the season would be ridiculous. They should have snapped Jose up before their local rivals did, I don't know whether Poch would be interested?
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Just heard on the radio that an announcement could be imminent about Emery.


(This post was edited by Isaac on Nov 29, 2019, 10:09 AM)


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Emery has gone.


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Come back Wenger !


I doubt that he would come b ack now he has his feet under the table at F.I.F.A.

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