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I saw Martin Keown on Marylebone station at 10.15 this morning. Have the BBC stopped using courtesy cars at the expense of the licence payer?


He lives very near to the Oxford - Marylebone route so I presume he had used the train. Think he is quite down to earth you see him about, also he does quite a lot of things for local football, presenting cups and awards. As far as I know his family are all still around here, certainly his brothers business is about half a mile from my house.


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There will be an announcement this week about Wenger's future, had he announced his retirement he could have had the perfect send off yesterday. I suspect most gooners would swap yesterday for a Champions League place though?


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I saw Martin Keown on Marylebone station at 10.15 this morning. Have the BBC stopped using courtesy cars at the expense of the licence payer?


He lives very near to the Oxford - Marylebone route so I presume he had used the train. Think he is quite down to earth you see him about, also he does quite a lot of things for local football, presenting cups and awards. As far as I know his family are all still around here, certainly his brothers business is about half a mile from my house.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't realise he was from that area and just presumed he was heading to Wembley early to beat the crowds. None of this wearing shades so not to be hassled and it wasn't until later in the day that I remembered that he played for Leicester for a spell.



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I saw Martin Keown on Marylebone station at 10.15 this morning. Have the BBC stopped using courtesy cars at the expense of the licence payer?


He lives very near to the Oxford - Marylebone route so I presume he had used the train. Think he is quite down to earth you see him about, also he does quite a lot of things for local football, presenting cups and awards. As far as I know his family are all still around here, certainly his brothers business is about half a mile from my house.


Martin Keown is no stranger to using the new Chiltern Trains service from Oxford to Marylebone. A mate of mine saw him catching the train from Oxford Parkway to Wembley last month to watch Oxford United in the Checkatrade Trophy final.


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I suspect most gooners would swap yesterday for a Champions League place though?


Enough of then have been telling anyone who cares to listen that fourth place isn't good enough because Arsenal is all about winning things. Apparently.

Wonder if Spurs fans might prefer to win something rather than finishing top 4? Their inability to do so (..yet) was certainly a popular choice of song amongst many gooners on the Tube last night.


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I suspect most gooners would swap yesterday for a Champions League place though?


Enough of then have been telling anyone who cares to listen that fourth place isn't good enough because Arsenal is all about winning things. Apparently.

Wonder if Spurs fans might prefer to win something rather than finishing top 4? Their inability to do so (..yet) was certainly a popular choice of song amongst many gooners on the Tube last night.


I still think Tottenham fans will be the happier of the two looking back at the season.


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None of this wearing shades so not to be hassled


That reminds me of the guy who said the worst thing he'd feel brave enough to call Sonny Liston was "a very nice man" and that over the telephone long distance.

You could probably make a list a mile or two long of opposition forwards from a few years back who would fervently advise against hassling Martin Keown. Shocked


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There's a more subtle reason why that may be the case. Now that the Champions League has been with us for more than 20 years, the clubs who traditionally 'belong' there, such as Arsenal, Chelsea, United and perhaps even City, can easily cope with missing out for a season or two (so long as it is only a season or two). They've established themselves as being an elite, and that won't change overnight. On the other hand, for teams who are trying to catch them up, such as Spurs and Liverpool, qualification for the CL is an essential next step in doing so.

In other words, finishing top 4 is only a means to an end....the end being winning trophies. In that sense, right now being in next season's CL is more important to the likes of Spurs than it is to the likes of Arsenal.

So it may well be that Spurs fans are happy with no trophies and CL qualification, but that Arsenal fans are no less happy with silverware and a season outside the CL. But vice versa might be very different.


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I saw Martin Keown on Marylebone station at 10.15 this morning. Have the BBC stopped using courtesy cars at the expense of the licence payer?


He lives very near to the Oxford - Marylebone route so I presume he had used the train. Think he is quite down to earth you see him about, also he does quite a lot of things for local football, presenting cups and awards. As far as I know his family are all still around here, certainly his brothers business is about half a mile from my house.


Martin Keown is no stranger to using the new Chiltern Trains service from Oxford to Marylebone. A mate of mine saw him catching the train from Oxford Parkway to Wembley last month to watch Oxford United in the Checkatrade Trophy final.


I saw Martin Keown in Oxford last year, he was happily chatting to people and seemed very sociable.


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There's a more subtle reason why that may be the case. Now that the Champions League has been with us for more than 20 years, the clubs who traditionally 'belong' there, such as Arsenal, Chelsea, United and perhaps even City, can easily cope with missing out for a season or two (so long as it is only a season or two). They've established themselves as being an elite, and that won't change overnight. On the other hand, for teams who are trying to catch them up, such as Spurs and Liverpool, qualification for the CL is an essential next step in doing so.

In other words, finishing top 4 is only a means to an end....the end being winning trophies. In that sense, right now being in next season's CL is more important to the likes of Spurs than it is to the likes of Arsenal.

So it may well be that Spurs fans are happy with no trophies and CL qualification, but that Arsenal fans are no less happy with silverware and a season outside the CL. But vice versa might be very different.


As a neutral I'd say Tottenham's prospects look a lot brighter although that could change if Arsenal do part company with Wenger.


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A year ago Arsenal achieved exactly the same as Spurs - no trophies and second in the league. The vastly differing response of each set of fans to that 'achievement' tells you all you need to know about the gulf between the two clubs.

Spurs certainly do look to have a bright future but, because of that gulf, Arsenal are still less vulnerable than Spurs in their ability to attract and retain/replace talent. That might change, possibly even in the next year or two, but I don't think that tipping point has yet been crossed.


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None of this wearing shades so not to be hassled


That reminds me of the guy who said the worst thing he'd feel brave enough to call Sonny Liston was "a very nice man" and that over the telephone long distance.

You could probably make a list a mile or two long of opposition forwards from a few years back who would fervently advise against hassling Martin Keown. Shocked


Is this the same Martin Keown who was poleaxed by Francesco Totti's finger?Mad


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I was nearly right, wenger did well, arsenal record 13 time cup winners



wrexham fc fa trophy winners 2013 !


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I suspect most gooners would swap yesterday for a Champions League place though?

Not the case from those I know. There's nothing like winning a trophy. Nobody remembers who qualified for Europe or finished fourth etc. after a year or so.
Even moreso if comparing an FA Cup win as opposed to qualifying for a tournament you're not competitive in, but that applies to all PL teams at the moment.


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Well said Paddy. As a Spurs fan I'd rather have won some silverware.



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Spurs' goal difference of +60 is the best for a team finishing second in the top flight, at least since 1946. I haven't checked before WWII yet, but I doubt there's any better.

And I know, goal average was used up to 1976.



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I suspect most gooners would swap yesterday for a Champions League place though?

Not the case from those I know. There's nothing like winning a trophy. Nobody remembers who qualified for Europe or finished fourth etc. after a year or so.
Even moreso if comparing an FA Cup win as opposed to qualifying for a tournament you're not competitive in, but that applies to all PL teams at the moment.


Once again Arsenal have come nowhere near winning the two prizes that really matter and whilst the FA Cup is better than nothing it does rather paper over what has been another poor season.


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Spurs' goal difference of +60 is the best for a team finishing second in the top flight, at least since 1946. I haven't checked before WWII yet, but I doubt there's any better.

And I know, goal average was used up to 1976.


Obviously their last two games helped but an impressive achievement none the less although with home games at Wembley next season I suspect their best chance of winning the league has been and gone?


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Once again Arsenal have come nowhere near winning the two prizes that really matter and whilst the FA Cup is better than nothing it does rather paper over what has been another poor season.


Yep, quite a lot better than nothing. Cool

I assume Ref Anthony Taylor's back in Arsene's good books after Saturday's game. Cool No desire to shove him again and get another touch line ban.


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Well said Paddy. As a Spurs fan I'd rather have won some silverware.



Absolutely. Finishing in our highest position for years was good, finishing above the other lot was sweet (but said as much about them as much as about us) but Pochettino, for all his good points, still doesn't seem to 'get' the glory side of the game, which is the Tottenham tradition.
The way we went out of Europe, especially the Europa League, was pathetic.
I suppose the club gets more money for finishing second and getting into the CL rather than winning a cup, but I see the season as one of steady progress rather than a great one, because we didn't win any silverware.
I also agree with Isaac's statement that our best chance may have gone because we are playing at Wembley next season, and I'm sure there will be attempts to buy our players in the summer, which may unsettle them...




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Spurs' goal difference of +60 is the best for a team finishing second in the top flight, at least since 1946. I haven't checked before WWII yet, but I doubt there's any better.

And I know, goal average was used up to 1976.


Mightily impressive stat, reflecting a great attack minded attitude.

But for me the most astonishing goal differences are those of today's Wembley Championship play off teams. Reading at a paltry +4 but put in the shade by Huddersfield Town's -2. Shocked


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I also agree with Isaac's statement that our best chance may have gone because we are playing at Wembley next season, and I'm sure there will be attempts to buy our players in the summer, which may unsettle them...


All those Premier League clubs who generally flirt with relegation or who feel like it's been a good season if they finish in the top half, for example Burnley, Watford and West Ham, will go the extra mile for their big day out at Wembley and that will make things extra difficult for us. I'll be surprised if we finish in the top four.



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Once again Arsenal have come nowhere near winning the two prizes that really matter and whilst the FA Cup is better than nothing it does rather paper over what has been another poor season.

By that token, it's been a poor season for everyone other than Chelsea


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Once again Arsenal have come nowhere near winning the two prizes that really matter and whilst the FA Cup is better than nothing it does rather paper over what has been another poor season.

By that token, it's been a poor season for everyone other than Chelsea


Surely that depends on expectations? I'm sure Bournemouth fans are delighted with their 9th place finish but Arsenal fans obviously expect a lot more for their top dollar season tickets.


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Do you know any Arsenal fans who expected to win the league or CL?
I don't, including my bruv who's been a season ticket holder for the best part of 30 years for his sins. Happy with another trophy, more so because Spurs won zip again.
History remembers who won what, not who qualified for whatever but was an also-ran in reality.

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