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windydcfc
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Jul 11, 2018, 12:03 PM

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Div1:
1) Ashington
2) Bishop Auckland
3) Blyth AFC
4) Consett
5) Dunston UTS
6) Guisborough Town
7) Hebburn Town
8) Newcastle Benfield
9) Newton Aycliffe
10) North Shields
11) Penrith
12) Ryhope CW
13) Seaham Red Star
14) Shildon
15) Stockton Town
16) Sunderland RCA
17) West Auckland Town
18) Whickham
19) Whitley Bay

Div2:
1) Bedlington Terriers
2) Billingham Synthonia
3) Billingham Town
4) Birtley Town
5) Brandon United
6) Chester-Le-Street
7) Crook Town
8) Durham City
9) Easington Colliery
10) Esh Winning
11) Heaton Stannington
12) Jarrow
13) Northallerton Town
14) Redcar Athletic
15) Ryton & Crawcrook Albion
16) Thornaby
17) Tow Law Town
18) Washington
19) West Allotment Celtic
20) Willington



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


leohoenig
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Jul 11, 2018, 5:03 PM

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For my counting, am I right in thinking one groundsharer in each division (Blyth and Durham)



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Mello Yello
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Jul 11, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Yes, in terms of groundshares within the Northern League anyway (Ponteland United share with West Allotment Celtic, Sunderland West End with Washington for example). Team North's departure was a shock to their players, let alone everyone else.


leohoenig
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Jul 11, 2018, 5:37 PM

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Yes, and two more of the clubs are on grounds that I have visited, but not for that club's home games.(Washington at Nissan, Billingham Synthonia at Norton & Stockton).



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Dazzla84
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Jul 19, 2018, 1:42 PM

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Im guessing this will likely mean only one relegation spot in Division One



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windydcfc
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Jul 19, 2018, 2:15 PM

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Im guessing this will likely mean only one relegation spot in Division One



I asked Matt Edkins at the FA & he said that it’ll be a League Committee decision. So again, clubs will probably find out their fate after the end of the season. That’ll be the same for step 6.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Dazzla84
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Jul 19, 2018, 2:29 PM

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Im guessing this will likely mean only one relegation spot in Division One



I asked Matt Edkins at the FA & he said that it’ll be a League Committee decision. So again, clubs will probably find out their fate after the end of the season. That’ll be the same for step 6.


So whoever finishes 18th is going to have to play the waiting game



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windydcfc
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Jul 19, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Im guessing this will likely mean only one relegation spot in Division One



I asked Matt Edkins at the FA & he said that it’ll be a League Committee decision. So again, clubs will probably find out their fate after the end of the season. That’ll be the same for step 6.


So whoever finishes 18th is going to have to play the waiting game



The standardised rules, states that the bottom 2 teams will be relegated. But unless the FA clarifies the relegation criteria, then the 18th placed clubs in the NL & HL will have no idea if they are relegated or not. There could be a situation, whereby the clubs end up being relegated & have no idea that they were in any danger of going down. I hope the leagues ask the question & this isn’t the case!



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Unicorn
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Jul 20, 2018, 11:02 AM

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I think once the season has started the LC might make it clear what will happen at the bottom of NL and HL step 5.
Surely both leagues will press for an answer.


shimtoan
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Jul 20, 2018, 8:12 PM

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The FA's idea of "2 down 3 up" between Steps 5 & 6 always seemed illogical to me. It'll only work where you've got 2 Step 5s with 3 Step 6s feeding solely into to 2 of them.
Anybody know of a place where this is the case?



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windydcfc
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Jul 20, 2018, 9:40 PM

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The FA's idea of "2 down 3 up" between Steps 5 & 6 always seemed illogical to me. It'll only work where you've got 2 Step 5s with 3 Step 6s feeding solely into to 2 of them.
Anybody know of a place where this is the case?



3rd placed step 6 teams aren’t going to be promoted under the new standardised rules. The FA are either going to relegate 26 or 28 step 5 teams. Replace them with the 19 step 6 champions & either the 9 or 11 best runners up on a ppg basis. If the FA relegates the bottom 2 NL1 sides & only the NL2 champions are promoted(not the runners up). Also, no northeastern clubs are relegated or demoted from step 4. Then the NL1 will have only 17 clubs & the FA will laterally transfer 3 step 5 league clubs. So teams like Knaresborough, Harrogate RA will be playing NL next seasonShocked



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


shimtoan
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Jul 20, 2018, 10:32 PM

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Could drag the Northern League southwards again. They won't like that, not would the teams sent north



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paulh66
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Jul 26, 2018, 10:18 PM

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This evening the league has tweeted official confirmation that division 1 will run with 19 clubs. From that, I assume attempts were made to get it back up to 20.


oftenscore6
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Jul 26, 2018, 11:58 PM

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The FA's idea of "2 down 3 up" between Steps 5 & 6 always seemed illogical to me. It'll only work where you've got 2 Step 5s with 3 Step 6s feeding solely into to 2 of them.
Anybody know of a place where this is the case?



3rd placed step 6 teams aren’t going to be promoted under the new standardised rules. The FA are either going to relegate 26 or 28 step 5 teams. Replace them with the 19 step 6 champions & either the 9 or 11 best runners up on a ppg basis. If the FA relegates the bottom 2 NL1 sides & only the NL2 champions are promoted(not the runners up). Also, no northeastern clubs are relegated or demoted from step 4. Then the NL1 will have only 17 clubs & the FA will laterally transfer 3 step 5 league clubs. So teams like Knaresborough, Harrogate RA will be playing NL next seasonShocked

The imbalance of step 5/6 divisions is most acute in the North West and Midlands - if the top 2 are promoted in the NW1's, East Mids, WMRL and Midland League, there'll be some big transfers required. Unless the 2nd NL2 is promoted, NL1 will be expanding and this will continue in future years, however silly it is. It's the folly of implementing pooling on a lopsided setup. If they're very lucky, Cleator Moor or Carlisle City will come up from NWC1N.



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Unicorn
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Jul 27, 2018, 7:17 AM

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This evening the league has tweeted official confirmation that division 1 will run with 19 clubs. From that, I assume attempts were made to get it back up to 20.


Very strange. If there was a will to do it i would have thought it was a very simple thing to do.


paulh66
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Jul 27, 2018, 10:45 AM

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FA permission needed, clubs impacted would need to change their preparations for the new season, fixtures to be re-done, etc etc. Team Northumbria did leave it rather late..

Speaking of preparations, champions Marske haven't registered enough players with the NPL in time to play tomorrow's traditional NL curtain raiser, the Cleator Cup, meaning the match with cup winners Dunston has been cancelled.


royboy
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Jul 27, 2018, 6:20 PM

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FA permission needed, clubs impacted would need to change their preparations for the new season, fixtures to be re-done, etc etc. Team Northumbria did leave it rather late..

Speaking of preparations, champions Marske haven't registered enough players with the NPL in time to play tomorrow's traditional NL curtain raiser, the Cleator Cup, meaning the match with cup winners Dunston has been cancelled.


As I understood it the only changes allowed after the AGM relate to internal movements. Therefore moving a club from the lower division to the higher would only need the correct grading for it to take place.


Unicorn
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Jul 28, 2018, 7:13 AM

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FA permission needed, clubs impacted would need to change their preparations for the new season, fixtures to be re-done, etc etc. Team Northumbria did leave it rather late..

Speaking of preparations, champions Marske haven't registered enough players with the NPL in time to play tomorrow's traditional NL curtain raiser, the Cleator Cup, meaning the match with cup winners Dunston has been cancelled.


As I understood it the only changes allowed after the AGM relate to internal movements. Therefore moving a club from the lower division to the higher would only need the correct grading for it to take place.


There are always changes after AGMs.
If the FA want it and it does not cause too much trouble to do it then the change occurs.


windydcfc
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Jul 28, 2018, 9:47 AM

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FA permission needed, clubs impacted would need to change their preparations for the new season, fixtures to be re-done, etc etc. Team Northumbria did leave it rather late..

Speaking of preparations, champions Marske haven't registered enough players with the NPL in time to play tomorrow's traditional NL curtain raiser, the Cleator Cup, meaning the match with cup winners Dunston has been cancelled.


As I understood it the only changes allowed after the AGM relate to internal movements. Therefore moving a club from the lower division to the higher would only need the correct grading for it to take place.


There are always changes after AGMs.
If the FA want it and it does not cause too much trouble to do it then the change occurs.



The way I see it, is that the LC controls the promotion & relegation process between steps 5 & 6. It wouldn’t surprise me if the EBAC NL approached the FA & asked if Washington could be reprieved. It wouldn’t surprise me if they also asked if Darlington RA could also be reprieved. I bet the FA’s response was ‘no, it’s too late’!



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Unicorn
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Jul 28, 2018, 11:21 AM

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I think you are probably correct.
However given the LC obsession with uniformity i would have expected the NL and HL running their step 5 with 19 teams teams to be a major source of disappointment to them.


windydcfc
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Aug 21, 2018, 10:40 PM

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Strong rumours circulating the northeast, are that Barry Elliott has pulled his money from Blyth AFC & they are just about to resign from the NL. Allegedly he’s been turned down for planning permission for a new ground. Also Ashington turned down a takeover from him.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


windydcfc
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Aug 24, 2018, 11:07 AM

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Strong rumours circulating the northeast, are that Barry Elliott has pulled his money from Blyth AFC & they are just about to resign from the NL. Allegedly he’s been turned down for planning permission for a new ground. Also Ashington turned down a takeover from him.



https://www.newspostleader.co.uk/...ustainable-1-9318135



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


aicwhu
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Aug 24, 2018, 12:03 PM

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What a surprise

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oftenscore6
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Aug 24, 2018, 12:54 PM

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The article says:
“The club has been on an incredible journey since we were founded in 2015,” said Elliott.“We have a team that won the Northern Alliance twice, finished eighth in our first season in Division Two of the Northern League and then won it in our second season.

Read more at: https://www.newspostleader.co.uk/...ustainable-1-9318135
It is an incredible journey to have fitted 4 playing seasons into 3 years.



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genesimmons
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Aug 24, 2018, 12:54 PM

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If blyth whoever resign from the league i think the league will come under serious scrutiny for letting them start the season.



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windydcfc
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Aug 24, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Mike Amos has had a go on his blog https://mikeamosblog.wordpress.com



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Dazzla84
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Aug 24, 2018, 3:52 PM

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If blyth whoever resign from the league i think the league will come under serious scrutiny for letting them start the season.


For all we know, the league themselves could be just as surprised by this move by Blyth as we are, too early IMO to point the finger at anyone other than the club



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Aug 24, 2018, 4:06 PM

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The article says:
“The club has been on an incredible journey since we were founded in 2015,” said Elliott.“We have a team that won the Northern Alliance twice, finished eighth in our first season in Division Two of the Northern League and then won it in our second season.

Read more at: https://www.newspostleader.co.uk/...ustainable-1-9318135
It is an incredible journey to have fitted 4 playing seasons into 3 years.



Can anybody explain that Carlisle reference to me?


windydcfc
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Aug 24, 2018, 4:19 PM

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If blyth whoever resign from the league i think the league will come under serious scrutiny for letting them start the season.


For all we know, the league themselves could be just as surprised by this move by Blyth as we are, too early IMO to point the finger at anyone other than the club



I think this has all kicked off since the council knocked back his planning application for a new ground at Meggies Burn. Barry Elliott has been used to people saying yes, whenever he flashes his cash. He’s upset so many people in the local area, that no one wants him or his club! They won’t be missed.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


paulh66
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Aug 24, 2018, 4:47 PM

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If blyth whoever resign from the league i think the league will come under serious scrutiny for letting them start the season.


For all we know, the league themselves could be just as surprised by this move by Blyth as we are, too early IMO to point the finger at anyone other than the club


Having only discovered through the media that Team Northumbria were resigning, let's hope the league are being proactive about Blyth and getting the necessary assurances in place.

TN ended up being fined and, from the league's press release, the club's (or should I say university's) handling of it looks very poor: http://www.northernfootballleague.org/...nation-notification/


windydcfc
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Aug 28, 2018, 6:16 PM

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Blyth’s game against Whitley Bay has just been called off! Strong rumours that they’ve gone! Mark Carruthers has just retweeted that Blyth have gone!



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Now confirmed in Blyth’s Twitter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BlythAFC



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The EBAC NL’s response http://www.northernfootballleague.org/...-resign-from-league/
The speculation surrounding Blyth’s promotion & ground share agreement with Ashington. Has to come under the spotlight! Barry Elliott was interviewed a few days ago & said that he only had a 10 game agreement with Ashington. Yet the NL are stating that it was for a full season. Blyth were allowed to be promoted on Barry Elliott’s word that they were going back to South Newsham. Yet the county council had expelled them! After they morphed away from Blyth Town, they were only sub-tenants to them at South Newsham. But left owing thousands, also leaving South Newsham half built & bodged jobs by Barry Elliott’s contractors. Northallerton have been robbed promotion, Darlington RA were relegated & Blyth Town are at nominal step 8 because of Barry Elliott! The EBAC NL needs a serious overhaul, because those at the very top allowed this to happen & a lot of people knew what was going on!



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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God knows how they got evicted from a ground they built, wonder if that will go to rot. Name change also very puzzling. So every week 2 teams could have a free weekend due to these and team Northumbria going



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God knows how they got evicted from a ground they built, wonder if that will go to rot. Name change also very puzzling. So every week 2 teams could have a free weekend due to these and team Northumbria going



Barry Elliott fell out with the people at Blyth Town. That’s why he upped sticks & created Blyth AFC. Blyth Town still play at South Newsham & get very healthy crowds. As for the problems with the ground, they were created by the contractors that Barry Elliott got in. Things half built, drainage cut when the hard standing went down & flux too low on floodlights. Plus money went missing, for a 3G training pitch that was never built. Hopefully those at ‘the real club’(Blyth Town) will get things sorted! With help from the county council, football foundation etc



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Mike Amos has had a go on his blog https://mikeamosblog.wordpress.com


Really good read from Mike Amos. However, on his entry dated 27th August he states “Among them is John Dawson, King of the Ground Hoppers”. Surely he must know that Tony Incenzo is the king of ALL groundhoppers? Incenzo told me so himself, on a rare occasion he lowered himself to talk to a lesser mortal.....


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Mike Amos skates over a couple of NL issues in his blog. One is the serious incident that happened last night at Seaham Red Stars ground. The goalkeeping coach was attacked by masked men with golf clubs & this delayed the start of the game. https://mikeamosblog.wordpress.com/...-fight-on-its-hands/



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Mike Amos skates over a couple of NL issues in his blog. One is the serious incident that happened last night at Seaham Red Stars ground. The goalkeeping coach was attacked by masked men with golf clubs & this delayed the start of the game. https://mikeamosblog.wordpress.com/...-fight-on-its-hands/


Probably not the only one but he also gets the name wrong. It’s Blyth AFC that have resigned from the Northern League. Blyth F.C. are a completely separate club and are currently top of the Northern Football Alliance Division 2.
Both Blyth Town and Blyth F.C. are ‘proper clubs’ with junior teams, volunteers, committees etc whereas Blyth AFC appear to have been one man’s vanity project.


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Dont blame Mike for getting things wrong about this club very confuseing goings on. One thing thats strikes me is in the non league paper article the chairman moans about low attendaces been around 80ish. Ive been to a few games at that level with 80 fans in the ground or less and teams still keep on going. Did he expect 3 figure crowds playing out of town? i guess theres also the issue of who pays the big fine and the grant money used to build the ground which they left



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The EBAC NL’s response http://www.northernfootballleague.org/...-resign-from-league/
The speculation surrounding Blyth’s promotion & ground share agreement with Ashington. Has to come under the spotlight! Barry Elliott was interviewed a few days ago & said that he only had a 10 game agreement with Ashington. Yet the NL are stating that it was for a full season. Blyth were allowed to be promoted on Barry Elliott’s word that they were going back to South Newsham. Yet the county council had expelled them! After they morphed away from Blyth Town, they were only sub-tenants to them at South Newsham. But left owing thousands, also leaving South Newsham half built & bodged jobs by Barry Elliott’s contractors. Northallerton have been robbed promotion, Darlington RA were relegated & Blyth Town are at nominal step 8 because of Barry Elliott! The EBAC NL needs a serious overhaul, because those at the very top allowed this to happen & a lot of people knew what was going on!

Surely it was the Leagues Committee which promoted Blyth AFC, not the Northern League, they just happened to get them allocated (albeit obviously on geographic terms). Since the Leagues Committee seem to apply a pooling policy, it seems doubtful that Darlington RA would have benefitted had the resiognation been submitted before the AGM even. The Northern league being down to 18, they might well apply a pooling principle in the extra promotion from step 6, so the 2 extra clubs needed may well not be from the North East area, forcing nonsensical lateral transfers eg. Harriogate Railway, unless Cumbrian sides happen to top the NWC1N...



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The EBAC NL’s response http://www.northernfootballleague.org/...-resign-from-league/
The speculation surrounding Blyth’s promotion & ground share agreement with Ashington. Has to come under the spotlight! Barry Elliott was interviewed a few days ago & said that he only had a 10 game agreement with Ashington. Yet the NL are stating that it was for a full season. Blyth were allowed to be promoted on Barry Elliott’s word that they were going back to South Newsham. Yet the county council had expelled them! After they morphed away from Blyth Town, they were only sub-tenants to them at South Newsham. But left owing thousands, also leaving South Newsham half built & bodged jobs by Barry Elliott’s contractors. Northallerton have been robbed promotion, Darlington RA were relegated & Blyth Town are at nominal step 8 because of Barry Elliott! The EBAC NL needs a serious overhaul, because those at the very top allowed this to happen & a lot of people knew what was going on!

Surely it was the Leagues Committee which promoted Blyth AFC, not the Northern League, they just happened to get them allocated (albeit obviously on geographic terms). Since the Leagues Committee seem to apply a pooling policy, it seems doubtful that Darlington RA would have benefitted had the resiognation been submitted before the AGM even. The Northern league being down to 18, they might well apply a pooling principle in the extra promotion from step 6, so the 2 extra clubs needed may well not be from the North East area, forcing nonsensical lateral transfers eg. Harriogate Railway, unless Cumbrian sides happen to top the NWC1N...

It looks likely that 2 NWCL bound clubs will be relegated from NPL1 West and there wont be a NL relegate from the East so If Carlisle continue their good form in NWCL 1N it will likely be them that get the lateral transfer (and promotion) at the end of the season. Of course early season at moment so things may change for Carlisle.


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The worst scenario would be that the LC still relegates the bottom 2 from NL1, no northeastern clubs come down from step 4 & the NL2 runners up miss out on promotion on a ppg basis. That would mean 4 clubs would have to be laterally transferred into the NL1.
I personally think that the LC will only relegate the bottom placed NL1 side & the odds of the runners up not being promoted are slim. So the LC would still have to find 2 extra clubs. So Knareborough, Harrogate RA & Carlisle City would be favourites.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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The worst scenario would be that the LC still relegates the bottom 2 from NL1, no northeastern clubs come down from step 4 & the NL2 runners up miss out on promotion on a ppg basis. That would mean 4 clubs would have to be laterally transferred into the NL1.
I personally think that the LC will only relegate the bottom placed NL1 side & the odds of the runners up not being promoted are slim. So the LC would still have to find 2 extra clubs. So Knareborough, Harrogate RA & Carlisle City would be favourites.


Surely they'll find a way to promote London clubs Sly


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The worst scenario would be that the LC still relegates the bottom 2 from NL1, no northeastern clubs come down from step 4 & the NL2 runners up miss out on promotion on a ppg basis. That would mean 4 clubs would have to be laterally transferred into the NL1.
I personally think that the LC will only relegate the bottom placed NL1 side & the odds of the runners up not being promoted are slim. So the LC would still have to find 2 extra clubs. So Knareborough, Harrogate RA & Carlisle City would be favourites.


Surely they'll find a way to promote London clubs Sly

into the Northern League? Wouldn't put it past them sometimes



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Mike Amos has had a go on his blog https://mikeamosblog.wordpress.com


Really good read from Mike Amos. However, on his entry dated 27th August he states “Among them is John Dawson, King of the Ground Hoppers”. Surely he must know that Tony Incenzo is the king of ALL groundhoppers? Incenzo told me so himself, on a rare occasion he lowered himself to talk to a lesser mortal.....

I chanced on listening to Talksport this morning, and TI was presenting his non-league review, and he was introduced as the Minister of Non-League Football.
To be fair the content of his report was very good, albeit with the usual caveat that he mentioned this week he had visited his 2242nd ground



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As I say, all about him . He seems to out himself on a pedestal re non league and ground hopping in general but I have found him a fairly bland and arrogant individual.


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I would think Blyth, having started the season, will be deemed to have finished bottom leaving a maximum of 1 relegation place. But with the FA, who can tell?

As they are now pooling at Step 6-5 as well as 5-4, the NL geographic area at Step 5 will anyway expand slowly (with 2 relegated and an average of 1.6 promoted - in addition few NL promoted clubs are likely to be relegated from Step 4, other than voluntarily).


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I would think Blyth, having started the season, will be deemed to have finished bottom leaving a maximum of 1 relegation place. But with the FA, who can tell?

As they are now pooling at Step 6-5 as well as 5-4, the NL geographic area at Step 5 will anyway expand slowly (with 2 relegated and an average of 1.6 promoted - in addition few NL promoted clubs are likely to be relegated from Step 4, other than voluntarily).



Morpeth were the most likely northeastern club, that would seek a quick return to the NL. They are now developing their ground & are happy to stay in the NPL. I doubt we’ll see any teams relegated into the NL, for the next 2 seasons. With the new step 4 league due then.
I was told by someone from a NL club, that the FA were looking at reducing the NL1 & NL2 to 16 clubs apiece. Whenever the new step 4 league is created!



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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I would think Blyth, having started the season, will be deemed to have finished bottom leaving a maximum of 1 relegation place. But with the FA, who can tell?

As they are now pooling at Step 6-5 as well as 5-4, the NL geographic area at Step 5 will anyway expand slowly (with 2 relegated and an average of 1.6 promoted - in addition few NL promoted clubs are likely to be relegated from Step 4, other than voluntarily).



Morpeth were the most likely northeastern club, that would seek a quick return to the NL. They are now developing their ground & are happy to stay in the NPL. I doubt we’ll see any teams relegated into the NL, for the next 2 seasons. With the new step 4 league due then.
I was told by someone from a NL club, that the FA were looking at reducing the NL1 & NL2 to 16 clubs apiece. Whenever the new step 4 league is created!


But that is ludicrous!

Blyth and Team Northumbria's demises aren't coincidental. They are indicative of the North East's recent track record and the plight of Saturday Football in the entire region.

They won't be the last two to go by the way side - how many have we lost in the past 7-8 years. Shilbottle, Cl;etic Nation, Norton & Stockton Ancients, Murton, Ashbrooke Belford House, Chopwell, Prudhoe Town, Heddon, Northbank, Peterlee Town, Wallsend Town. The entire Durham Alliance, the entire Wearside Combination, the North Northumberland League down to a single division, the Tyneside Amateur League down to one division.

Promoting a block of Step 5 NL clubs to Step 4 now will cause chaos to an area that is struggling for football clubs to populate the now few number of divisions the area has left!

There just aren't enough CLUBS!


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I agree a two division structure of 16 teams each would be ludicrous but, whatever's going on in grass roots in the north east, the demise of Blyth and Team Northumbria is, in both cases, very much outside the norm.


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As I say, all about him . He seems to out himself on a pedestal re non league and ground hopping in general but I have found him a fairly bland and arrogant individual.

His "problem" is he wants his blog to be edgy enough to make his blog worth reading without pissing too many people off. It's a thin line


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I agree a two division structure of 16 teams each would be ludicrous but, whatever's going on in grass roots in the north east, the demise of Blyth and Team Northumbria is, in both cases, very much outside the norm.


Totally agree. Blyth AFC and Team Northumbria have no connection with grass roots football. Blyth AFC is just one man’s vanity project and university teams always sit a bit uneasily with the local community.

Also grass roots football in Northumberland/Tyneside isn’t doing too bad at the moment. The national trend seems to be losing sides and reducing league numbers but for 2018/19 the ‘far north’ has bucked the trend. The Northern Football Alliance has a full complement of 3 16 divisions. Below the Alliance the Newcastle Corinthians League has had a net gain of 5 sides compared to last season, The Tyneside Amateur League has a drop of 1 (mainly due to 3 promotions from last season) and the North Northumberland has held steady at 11 sides.
The Border Amateur League now has 4 Northumbrian sides, up from 3, and the East of Scotland League still has 1 too.
So overall below Step 6 there are more sides and players taking part in Saturday 11 aside football compared to last season.


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can someone point me in the direction of where I would be able to find out who had the free weeks in the northern league due to staring with only 19 teams in the northern league (as at start of season before demise of Blyth) thank you


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It would have been whoever were due to play Team North (as the fixtures were already out by the time they withdrew), so other than 2 weekends (when Team North and Blyth AFC were due to play each other), there will be 2 teams not playing.

The groundhopper app still has the Team North fixtures on it (till the end of this month visible at the moment, 8th home to Stockton Town, 15th away to Ryhope CW, 22nd home to Newcastle Benfield and 29th away to Seaham Red Star), but already been a number of fixture changes in the Northern League, so not sure if they are still free.


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It would have been whoever were due to play Team North (as the fixtures were already out by the time they withdrew), so other than 2 weekends (when Team North and Blyth AFC were due to play each other), there will be 2 teams not playing.

The groundhopper app still has the Team North fixtures on it (till the end of this month visible at the moment, 8th home to Stockton Town, 15th away to Ryhope CW, 22nd home to Newcastle Benfield and 29th away to Seaham Red Star), but already been a number of fixture changes in the Northern League, so not sure if they are still free.

yes thankyou I realised it was whoever was to play team Northumbria and that is what im trying to ascertain. Do you have a link to the app you mention please?


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It would have been whoever were due to play Team North (as the fixtures were already out by the time they withdrew), so other than 2 weekends (when Team North and Blyth AFC were due to play each other), there will be 2 teams not playing.

The groundhopper app still has the Team North fixtures on it (till the end of this month visible at the moment, 8th home to Stockton Town, 15th away to Ryhope CW, 22nd home to Newcastle Benfield and 29th away to Seaham Red Star), but already been a number of fixture changes in the Northern League, so not sure if they are still free.

yes thankyou I realised it was whoever was to play team Northumbria and that is what im trying to ascertain. Do you have a link to the app you mention please?

On a smartphone, look in AppStore for 'groundhopper'



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The worst scenario would be that the LC still relegates the bottom 2 from NL1, no northeastern clubs come down from step 4 & the NL2 runners up miss out on promotion on a ppg basis. That would mean 4 clubs would have to be laterally transferred into the NL1.
I personally think that the LC will only relegate the bottom placed NL1 side & the odds of the runners up not being promoted are slim. So the LC would still have to find 2 extra clubs. So Knareborough, Harrogate RA & Carlisle City would be favourites.

Presumptuous to include a side that need to be promoted to be considered... Worst case is the LC still demand 2 relegatees from NL1 and the 2nd isn't in the top group by ppg. The latter is certainly not just a slim chance and it's unlikely a NL suitable side will come down from step 4 so we could need 2-4 teams transferred in. This isn't just for this year, it will continue whilst pooling is in place because NL will lose 3 teams per season (2 relegatees plus 1 promoted, but only get 1.6 back) - so even at full complement, NL1 will expand in most seasons. It's an inevitable consequence of putting pooling in place without first having an even structure below it to provide the same number of clubs.

Sarumio - the Northern league has enough quality teams to elevate 6-8 to step 4 and backfill from Northern Alliance and Wearside league. There's plenty of southern areas struggling to fill a single step 6 division, and having 2 Hellenic step 6 divisions of 14 with teams that barely win a game for years is hardly a sign of quality there. What should happen though is the step 5 and 6 boundaries should be ringfenced and aligned. Regions do have uneven numbers of step 5 and 6 divisions but if it makes sense for there to be a 1:1 ratio within a region, that should be allowed without forcing the step 5 division to expand to cover half another region



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Pickering Town could easily be counted as a potential northern league side if relegated & they've had a poor start.



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The worst scenario would be that the LC still relegates the bottom 2 from NL1, no northeastern clubs come down from step 4 & the NL2 runners up miss out on promotion on a ppg basis. That would mean 4 clubs would have to be laterally transferred into the NL1.
I personally think that the LC will only relegate the bottom placed NL1 side & the odds of the runners up not being promoted are slim. So the LC would still have to find 2 extra clubs. So Knareborough, Harrogate RA & Carlisle City would be favourites.


I can't see them moving Carlisle over. With the gentle persuasion that went on with the Evostik D1's East/West and the North/South split of the NWC D1's over the summer it seems the LC want the Pennines to be a hard boundary. I can even see Penrith going the opposite way eventually too.


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I don't see the Pennines as being a hard boundary. Remember the NWC has three teams from the 'east' of the Pennines - Silsden, Steeton & Shelley.



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I don't see the Pennines as being a hard boundary. Remember the NWC has three teams from the 'east' of the Pennines - Silsden, Steeton but with the northern league boundry moving southwards over the next few years they could end up in the north east counties league.


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A quick look at an atlas suggests to me that Carlisle/Penrith are better off in the NWCL at Step 6 but the NL in Step 5. I've never travelled directly from Carlisle to Newcastle though - what's the A69 like, especially in midweek?


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A quick look at an atlas suggests to me that Carlisle/Penrith are better off in the NWCL at Step 6 but the NL in Step 5. I've never travelled directly from Carlisle to Newcastle though - what's the A69 like, especially in midweek?


It always takes about an hour (slightly less if you’re lucky). It’s single carriageway from Carlisle to just before Hexham and not too easy to overtake. It’s dual carriageway from Hexham to Newcastle which is very good.


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A quick look at an atlas suggests to me that Carlisle/Penrith are better off in the NWCL at Step 6 but the NL in Step 5. I've never travelled directly from Carlisle to Newcastle though - what's the A69 like, especially in midweek?


It always takes about an hour (slightly less if you’re lucky). It’s single carriageway from Carlisle to just before Hexham and not too easy to overtake. It’s dual carriageway from Hexham to Newcastle which is very good.



It must surely be quicker to travel from Carlisle to Northallerton. Than it would be to travel from Carlisle to Whitchurch? So I agree that the NWCL step 5, isn't the same as the NWCL step 6. With 2 teams likely to be relegated from the NPL1W into the NWCL Prem. Then teams like Silsden, Whitchurch & Carlisle(if promoted) will be the teams most likely laterally transferred. As for Carlisle, the LC has a track record for moving promoted teams first off all.



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I hope for Silsden's sake (& Steeton's) they they don't get moved across to the NCE. Yes, the distances might be less but actual travelling time will increase massively. On a good day you can be over half way to Staffordshire or Carlisle (to the 'west') from there by the time you've waded through the Bradford district en route to Notts, Derbys et al to the 'east'.



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The worst scenario would be that the LC still relegates the bottom 2 from NL1, no northeastern clubs come down from step 4 & the NL2 runners up miss out on promotion on a ppg basis. That would mean 4 clubs would have to be laterally transferred into the NL1.
I personally think that the LC will only relegate the bottom placed NL1 side & the odds of the runners up not being promoted are slim. So the LC would still have to find 2 extra clubs. So Knareborough, Harrogate RA & Carlisle City would be favourites.


I can't see them moving Carlisle over. With the gentle persuasion that went on with the Evostik D1's East/West and the North/South split of the NWC D1's over the summer it seems the LC want the Pennines to be a hard boundary. I can even see Penrith going the opposite way eventually too.







Even if they were thinking of such boundaries, my point is because the number of divisions are uneven, and promotion is via a pooling pot rather than a logical area, the NL1 is set to expand into the North west and/or NCEL territory every year until it's covering an area which produces enough teams from NWC1N and NCE1 naturally. There is virtually no chance of Penrith going the other way at step 5 because there's more step 6 divisions in the North West, plus NP1W covers almost vthe same area as NWCP. So NWCP will lose 1 up and 2 down, but receive 4-6 (depending on ppg). Those excess clubs have to go somewhere - and the West Midlands also has 2 step 6 feeders so that's unlikely. At least one team will have to move from NWCP to either NL or NCEL, and possibly up to 3..

If Penrith were to be relegated, if the Northern League had a full complement, they would likely shift across to NWC1N but would undoubtedly be back in NL1 at step 5.

Robgrillo - Silsden's best chance of remaining playing in the North West next year is to get promoted to NP1W!



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