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paulh66
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....having recently come out of transfer embargo and signed a player for £1m. Crazy
Details at: https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/...ration-within-hours/, but even if they do stave off admin and the 12 point penalty there are surely questions to be asked about the EFL's oversight of the situation.


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Looks like good news at the last minute, a local journalist reporting that an offer to BluMarble has been accepted in principle but needs to go through by midday today to stave off administration.

Possibly a case of rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic rather than longer term financial security, though...


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The financial equivalent of Aaron Wilbraham securing safety in injury time last season. Not the first time we've been in such a situation. If I was putting it kindly then I'd say the owners have nerves of steel to be able to take such things to the last minute, but if you keep playing with fire and all that...


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The row between the Bolton chairman and FGR's Dale Vince goes on
https://www.theguardian.com/...P=Share_iOSApp_Other



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The FSF is reporting the situation as follows.....

Bolton Wanderers supporters are uniting in protest against owner Ken Anderson’s running of the football club, as its financial rollercoaster ride took another nosedive this week.

The latest fallout sees Bolton, an FA founding member in 1888, yet again owing significant debts that also affect at least two other English clubs. Norwich City have claimed they are owed a “six-figure fee” over unpaid payments for the loan of Yanic Wildschut and a loan-to-buy deal for Remi Matthews, who has now left the club after Bolton failed to pay an agreed transfer fee in January.

The same goes for League Two side Forest Green Rovers, whose chairman Dale Vince launched a scathing attack on Anderson earlier this week over the agreed loan-to-buy deal for Christian Doidge, who has also returned to his former club.

This follows years of financial uncertainty at Bolton, ever since the club was relegated from the Premier League in 2012. A failure to regain top-flight status saw the club’s frivolous spending land it in £172.9 million-worth of debt, which former owner Eddie Davies wrote off when Ken Anderson, a man banned from being a company director for eight years in 2005, took control of the club.

Since then, several winding-up petitions from HMRC have come and gone, as well as a two-year-long transfer embargo, during which we got relegated to League One and somehow managed to immediately get promoted.

But the financial situation remains unclear at best. In the summer, Bolton’s players went on strike and refused to play a pre-season friendly against St Mirren over unpaid bonuses. The club then very nearly went into administration in September - only saved from the brink when Davies bailed Anderson out with a £5 million loan four days before his death. The club is due to repay that debt by March, but the prospect of that happening remains questionable given claims earlier this week that the PFA had to step in to fund players’ wages for November and December, on top of the alleged unpaid fees to Norwich and Forest Green.

On top of all of that, last week it emerged that a winding-up petition has been lodged against Bolton Whites Hotel, a subsidiary of the club of which Anderson is the sole director. Then on Wednesday, two further winding-up petitions were issued against the club, one from HMRC and another from football agents firm Stellar Football Ltd.

Despite the wide-ranging media coverage of the situation - which the Chairman consistently dismisses as ‘factually incorrect’ - Anderson has staunchly denied that there’s a problem. His actions only serve to infuriate fans, to whom he even repeatedly attributes blame for not buying tickets to matches. He’s also banned local paper the Bolton News’ club reporter from attending home matches.

To top things off, on Wednesday Anderson issued a club statement ‘firing back’ at Forest Green, - whose chairman has since threatened legal action - only days after stating “l won’t lower myself to respond to his disrespectful and misleading comments.” This backfired catastrophically, only serving to gain support from rival supporters on Twitter and accruing national media coverage of the Chairman’s activity from some of the most respected football journalists in the country.

Time for action

Bolton fans have finally decided that enough is enough, and will protest against how Anderson is running the club at the home league match against West Bromwich Albion - which will be televised live on Sky Sports on Monday 21st January.

In a little under a decade, Bolton Wanderers has deteriorated from a club fielding World Cup winners, former Real Madrid players and one of the world’s most exciting players in Jay-Jay Okocha in Europe to being ravaged by debt and nearly run into the ground by a man clearly unfit to run a football club.

We will do everything we can to preserve our club’s 145-year history. We call on all Bolton Wanderers supporters to unite and welcome the support of football fans in general to ensure this happens.


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In a little under a decade, Bolton Wanderers has deteriorated from a club fielding World Cup winners, former Real Madrid players and one of the world’s most exciting players in Jay-Jay Okocha in Europe to being ravaged by debt....


I can't pretend I've even tried unravelling how the club has got into this mess but I've often wondered if the root of it all lies in the words above. At the time Allardyce seemed to be running it prudently - short term contracts for proven internationals, financed by the PL monies, with the idea being they wouldn't be saddled with a massive payroll if they did get relegated. Were they actually overstretching themselves in the first place, leading to a snowball effect once they did get relegated?


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Bolton Wanderers were not an' FA founding member ' in 1888, they were founder members of the Football League.



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The financial equivalent of Aaron Wilbraham securing safety in injury time last season. Not the first time we've been in such a situation. If I was putting it kindly then I'd say the owners have nerves of steel to be able to take such things to the last minute, but if you keep playing with fire and all that...
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How are the finances at Hibs and Colls because you have a horrible knack of being involved with disasters. The dreadful situation at RMI/Genesis and how all that ended then we have the financial problems encountered by Leigh Centurions RL on top of the mess at Bolton. Can't be many black cats left in your area to run over!!



Leyther_Matt
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How are the finances at Hibs and Colls because you have a horrible knack of being involved with disasters. The dreadful situation at RMI/Genesis and how all that ended then we have the financial problems encountered by Leigh Centurions RL on top of the mess at Bolton. Can't be many black cats left in your area to run over!!

I won't pretend that this hasn't been mentioned to me previously (although in fairness there's a probably 1,000 or so BWFC & Leigh RL dual supporters in the same boat!)


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Financial troubles has forced Bolton Wanderers to close their training ground https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...cial-problems-mount/



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Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Bolton have been given until 13:00 Wednesday to assure the local council that adequate safety provision will be in place for Saturday's home game against Millwall

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47457750



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Bolton Wanderers' winding-up petition adjourned until April 3.

The Sky Bet Championship club have been given two weeks to settle their debts and avoid a winding-up order, a High Court hearing in London has ruled.

https://www.skysports.com/...ourned-until-april-3

I really can't see a scenario where the courts will allow such a big, historic club to go bust. Maybe I'm being too naive.


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The courts let Glasgow Rangers to go bust and were liquidated.

I know that was Scotland and not England, but surely Rangers were bigger than Bolton.


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The staff of Bolton have been informed by email from the owner Ken Anderson a deal to buy the club has been agreed, subject to contract, according to Sky sources.

It is understood the deal could be wrapped up within the next 48 hours.


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The staff of Bolton have been informed by email from the owner Ken Anderson a deal to buy the club has been agreed, subject to contract, according to Sky sources.

It is understood the deal could be wrapped up within the next 48 hours.

I won't hold my breath.


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Club not yet sold and players are refusing to train for 48 hours after staff were not paid their salaries on time for the second month in a row

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47775158



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Any fears that they'll fail to complete their 2018/19 fixtures?

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EFL statement on Bolton Wanderers https://www.itfc.co.uk/...---bolton-wanderers/



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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The club has been given until May 8 to settle debts. However, can anyone throw anymore light on this:
"On Tuesday, Wanderers' next two home matches were put in doubt after they were issued with an order preventing fans entering the ground."


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Local safety panel (police, fire, ambulance, council) wouldn't agree on a safety certificate. Assuming it would be because the club couldn't pay for policing, stewarding etc.


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Bolton v Ipswich on Saturday will go ahead providing adequate staffing numbers are met

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47500131



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Now confirmed that the new owner is Laurence Bassini, who's twice been declared bankrupt and was banned by the EFL for three years in 2013 for misconduct and dishonesty over financial dealings during his brief spell as owner of Watford. His defence to which was to plead naivety and inexperience! https://www.theguardian.com/...r-banned-three-years

So that's Bolton saved..


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The man is a fraud. I feel for Bolton fans having to put up with this bell end.


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The man is a fraud. I feel for Bolton fans having to put up with this bell end.


As someone that grew up watching Watford and seeing that you are a Watford fan I am surprised you managed to restrain yourself to just using that phrase. Not only will he prove to be a terrible owner again, he is also a terrible person. BWFC don't deserve this.


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What was the alternative for Bolton? Administration followed by god no's what. There were hardly a queue of people waiting to go in and save them. Any port in a storm.


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What was the alternative for Bolton? Administration followed by god no's what. There were hardly a queue of people waiting to go in and save them. Any port in a storm.

HMRC made it clear last time around (when Ken Anderson and Dean Holdsworth bought the club with half an hour to spare) that they would be pushing for liquidation rather than administration, so it was essentially Bassini or bust. We’ll see how it goes.


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What was the alternative for Bolton? Administration followed by god no's what. There were hardly a queue of people waiting to go in and save them. Any port in a storm.

HMRC made it clear last time around (when Ken Anderson and Dean Holdsworth bought the club with half an hour to spare) that they would be pushing for liquidation rather than administration, so it was essentially Bassini or bust. We’ll see how it goes.



He still hasn’t paid the wages & until he does this he won’t get approval from the EFL. The monies are in an account & you have to wonder why he hasn’t paid the staff.
Alan Nixon has been exchanging a lot of tweets with BWFC fans. He’s been explaining the situation & issues to them.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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What was the alternative for Bolton? Administration followed by god no's what. There were hardly a queue of people waiting to go in and save them. Any port in a storm.

HMRC made it clear last time around (when Ken Anderson and Dean Holdsworth bought the club with half an hour to spare) that they would be pushing for liquidation rather than administration, so it was essentially Bassini or bust. We’ll see how it goes.



He still hasn’t paid the wages & until he does this he won’t get approval from the EFL. The monies are in an account & you have to wonder why he hasn’t paid the staff.
Alan Nixon has been exchanging a lot of tweets with BWFC fans. He’s been explaining the situation & issues to them.

Club accounts are frozen according to Ken Anderson. Nixon has been playing guesswork for months so I’d take everything he says with a massive dose of salt.


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What was the alternative for Bolton? Administration followed by god no's what. There were hardly a queue of people waiting to go in and save them. Any port in a storm.

HMRC made it clear last time around (when Ken Anderson and Dean Holdsworth bought the club with half an hour to spare) that they would be pushing for liquidation rather than administration, so it was essentially Bassini or bust. We’ll see how it goes.



He still hasn’t paid the wages & until he does this he won’t get approval from the EFL. The monies are in an account & you have to wonder why he hasn’t paid the staff.
Alan Nixon has been exchanging a lot of tweets with BWFC fans. He’s been explaining the situation & issues to them.

Club accounts are frozen according to Ken Anderson. Nixon has been playing guesswork for months so I’d take everything he says with a massive dose of salt.



According to Alan Nixon Bassini has shown he has the monies available to clear the debt. All he has to do is transfer the monies & the EFL will sanction his takeover of the club. The money still hasn’t been transferred & Bolton Wanderers are still heading to court.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Bolton's players to boycott last two games if their overdue March wages aren't paid.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48067603


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Tomorrow's match against Brentford has been postponed.

Breaking news on Sky Sports!


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Also on Sky in the last hour, prospective new owner Bassini 'insists he'll get the game back on': https://www.skysports.com/...efore-brentford-game.

Sorted!

(EDIT: apparently the interview was earlier in the day, before the official announcement the game's off. One hell of an interview though).


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Bolton have bee told they must finish this season's fixtures even if they use Academy players to do so.

https://twitter.com/.../1122073032481300480


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In their statement on Saturday morning, the EFL said it was "satisfied that a team can be selected from the players they have registered and available to them" for their remaining two league fixtures, even if first-team players do not make themselves available for selection.

The EFL would have forced Bolton to play Saturday's fixture had their under-18 team not been involved in a match on Thursday, bringing concerns about "potential player welfare issues".

The EFL statement read: "This same issue will not reoccur as the club is able to plan the players' preparation and recovery time accordingly."






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So the EFL are encouraging Under 18s to take the place of workers taking industrial action because they haven't been paid?


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EFL have released a further statement this morning:

"The EFL has this morning confirmed that Bolton Wanderers’ suspended Sky Bet Championship fixture with Brentford will not be played this week."

Full article here: https://www.efl.com/...t-bolton-wanderers4/


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The EFL has announced tonight that the Bolton Wanderers v Brentford Sky Bet Championship fixture called off last week will be played on Tuesday 7 May.

The EFL is also aware that the Club’s Safety Advisory Group (SAG) is due to meet tomorrow and we would advise all supporters to wait until the details for the game are confirmed by the Club before making any travel arrangements.


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Meanwhile, it appears the white knight and his charger have ridden past without stopping

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/.../may/club-statement/

At one level this may be a lucky escape. On the other hand, BWFC could be the missing team that allows a sixth play-off winner to progress at Step 3



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I would be surprised if Bolton weren't a FL team for 2019/20 season and I wouldn't be surpsisedd if the EFL punish Bolton if the outstanding isn't played by demoting them to League 2.



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Brentford have now been awarded a 1-0 win after the Safety Advisory Group refused to allow permission for the game to be played on Tuesday.

It would be interesting to know who this bunch are and the whys and wherefores of them having this amount of power.


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The group would be local council, police and other services advisors. Every club at a designated football ground has a similar group to issue a safety certificate.


I wonder when the last occasion when a game in the top four divisions was unplayed and awarded to the opposition. I am betting someone on here knows



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I don't know if it's happened subsequently but in 87/88 Tranmere had a two point deduction for failing to fulfil....against Bolton! Down to a dispute over the amount of policing needed: https://www.footballsite.co.uk/...m#Hard-up%20Tranmere


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I think Paul, that the game was eventually played, leaving this one on the same web pages

Back in March 1974 Halifax Town and Exeter City asked the Football League to postpone matches because their respective playing squads had been decimated by injury and illness. In Exeter's case they had medical certificates for 9 unfit players which left them with just 9 fit players, two of them goalkeepers. Halifax were given permission to postpone their Division 3 match at Bournemouth on Saturday March 30th 1974 but Exeter were refused permission to call of their matches against Peterborough the same day and Scunthorpe 3 days later. They played, and lost, their home match against Peterborough but refused to travel to Scunthorpe to fulfil their Division 4 fixture at the Old Showground scheduled for Tuesday April 2nd. There was speculation that Exeter's punishment might be expulsion from the Football League but later in April it was announced that the Devon side had been fined £5000 for not fulfilling the fixture and in addition were ordered to compensate Scunthorpe £1094 for the lost gate receipts and expenses. It was a massive sum for a Division 4 side to pay. Uniquely the two points were awarded to Scunthorpe and the match was not ordered to be played. It is the only fixture in Football League history that was never played.



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From, a reputable source!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48151016



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The group would be local council, police and other services advisors. Every club at a designated football ground has a similar group to issue a safety certificate.


I wonder when the last occasion when a game in the top four divisions was unplayed and awarded to the opposition. I am betting someone on here knows


I wouldn't mind betting that this only applies to football clubs. Can't see rugby or cricket having to put up with it.


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The group would be local council, police and other services advisors. Every club at a designated football ground has a similar group to issue a safety certificate.


I wonder when the last occasion when a game in the top four divisions was unplayed and awarded to the opposition. I am betting someone on here knows


I wouldn't mind betting that this only applies to football clubs. Can't see rugby or cricket having to put up with it.


Why not? They have to deal with big crowds - have to liaise with various authorities to co-ordinate crowd control, transport etc. Do you really believe that venues such as Twickenham or Lords don't have safety meetings with various authorities? I'd be surprised if they didn't.


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I think Paul, that the game was eventually played, leaving this one on the same web pages


Ah yes, you're quite right. So Bolton v Brentford is only the second time a FL fixture stays unplayed. I did like the tweet which showed Bolton 0-1 Brentford (Bassini OG, 89) Laugh

Re Safety Advisory Group, it's just that, an advisory group. It has no powers as such but its does work with local authorities as its they who ultimately decide whether or not to issue a safety certificate. Once the local authority decided not to issue a safety certificate for the Bolton game then it'd have been the league (or is it the club?) who called the game off.


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Ever since Thatcher's day, football has had to jump through hoops whereas rugby, being a posh lads' sport, has no specific laws of the land directed at it.


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Ever since Thatcher's day, football has had to jump through hoops whereas rugby, being a posh lads' sport, has no specific laws of the land directed at it.


Yes, rugby is well known for crowd trouble. My word, when Saints and Tigers play they’re brawling in the streets, invading the pitch, racist, the works.

Or not.

Behave like children and you’ll be treated like them.


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Not to mention 250 dead in decrepit and badly managed stadia.


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The group would be local council, police and other services advisors. Every club at a designated football ground has a similar group to issue a safety certificate.


I wonder when the last occasion when a game in the top four divisions was unplayed and awarded to the opposition. I am betting someone on here knows


I wouldn't mind betting that this only applies to football clubs. Can't see rugby or cricket having to put up with it.


I think we have to go along with the safety advice on this one. And there are reasons why the authorities in Bolton should be especially cautious.

A friend of mine was stood on the terraces at Burnden Park, Bolton's previous home ground, at an FA Cup 6th round tie on 6 March 1946 when Wanderers hosted Stoke City, including Stanley Matthews. The actual size of the crowd can only be estimated as many fans managed to get into the ground even after the turnstiles were closed. Over 85,000 spectators are thought to have attended.

The enormous crush resulted in 33 deaths and hundreds of injuries.

Shortly after kick off the police informed the referee that there had been fatalities, the game stopped and the players left the field. However, those in charge decided the best course was to play out the game and then let the crowd disperse.

I suppose just after the end of a world war in which many lives had been lost, attitudes to death and injuries were different to the present day.

My friend remembers seeing the bodies laid out at the side of the pitch covered by overcoats, whilst the teams played the game just yards away. Matthews wrote in his autobiography how none of the players had wanted to return to the field once they'd heard the news of deaths, and numbly went through the motions in a 0-0 draw.

I don't suppose there'd have been a large attendance for the game cancelled this week, but maybe we should go along with the advice of those responsible for safety.

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The EFL could have ordered the Bolton - Brentford game to be played behind closed doors, I think that gets round the SAG issue and the game could kick off on Tuesday afternoon



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that's a good idea but far too logical for the EFL.

I'm wondering if they'll now change the fit and proper rule too?


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The EFL could have ordered the Bolton - Brentford game to be played behind closed doors, I think that gets round the SAG issue and the game could kick off on Tuesday afternoon


That might have been considered if either club were able to affect promotion/relegation.


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Ever since Thatcher's day, football has had to jump through hoops whereas rugby, being a posh lads' sport, has no specific laws of the land directed at it.


Where is your proof that rugby has no specific laws of the land directed at it? Indeed, does football have specific laws directed at it, and if so what are they?

I admit I do come at this without a great deal of knowledge, or where to look, so may have been incorrect in what I said earlier in the thread.


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Ever since Thatcher's day, football has had to jump through hoops whereas rugby, being a posh lads' sport, has no specific laws of the land directed at it.


Where is your proof that rugby has no specific laws of the land directed at it? Indeed, does football have specific laws directed at it, and if so what are they?

I admit I do come at this without a great deal of knowledge, or where to look, so may have been incorrect in what I said earlier in the thread.


The Football Spectators Act 1989. Note that it specifically applies to Football.


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Ever since Thatcher's day, football has had to jump through hoops whereas rugby, being a posh lads' sport, has no specific laws of the land directed at it.


Hm.

Alternatively…

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/...ring-stadium-safety/


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Ever since Thatcher's day, football has had to jump through hoops whereas rugby, being a posh lads' sport, has no specific laws of the land directed at it.


Where is your proof that rugby has no specific laws of the land directed at it? Indeed, does football have specific laws directed at it, and if so what are they?

I admit I do come at this without a great deal of knowledge, or where to look, so may have been incorrect in what I said earlier in the thread.


The Football Spectators Act 1989. Note that it specifically applies to Football.

Do you regard this as an act of governmental spite?


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I think Paul, that the game was eventually played, leaving this one on the same web pages


Ah yes, you're quite right. So Bolton v Brentford is only the second time a FL fixture stays unplayed. I did like the tweet which showed Bolton 0-1 Brentford (Bassini OG, 89) Laugh

Re Safety Advisory Group, it's just that, an advisory group. It has no powers as such but its does work with local authorities as its they who ultimately decide whether or not to issue a safety certificate. Once the local authority decided not to issue a safety certificate for the Bolton game then it'd have been the league (or is it the club?) who called the game off.



The Safety of Sports Grounds Act 1975 and the Fire Safety and Safety of Places of Sport Act 1987 are the relevant legislation, in Scotland, England and Wales. They require certain sports grounds to apply to the local authority for a 'safety certificate'. Generally this means sports grounds with a capacity for more than 10,000 spectators (designated stadium), or stands in sports grounds providing covered accommodation for more than 500 spectators (regulated stand). Different Local Councils award safety certificates in different ways - usually the Police, Fire, Ambulance, Building Control and Health & Safety will be involved in issuing a certificate at the start of the season. This will be "re-confirmed" before each home game, usually by Police and Health & Safety along with the club.


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Thank you Prorege for that information - very helpful. I knew there'd be legislation for all stadia above a certain capacity regardless of the sport it is hosting.


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Statement from the chairman says he's "left with no alternative" but to place the club in administration: https://www.bwfc.co.uk/...m-from-the-chairman/

So they'll start next season with a 12 point deduction, apparently. Can't help feeling this is still a better outcome for all parties, even the creditors, than jumping into bed with the likes of Bassini. And it must be doubtful whether, with his record of bankruptcy and a previous ban from football, he'd have passed the fit and proper test anyway.


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Statement from the chairman says he's "left with no alternative" but to place the club in administration: https://www.bwfc.co.uk/...m-from-the-chairman/

So they'll start next season with a 12 point deduction, apparently. Can't help feeling this is still a better outcome for all parties, even the creditors, than jumping into bed with the likes of Bassini. And it must be doubtful whether, with his record of bankruptcy and a previous ban from football, he'd have passed the fit and proper test anyway.

The deduction is likely to be more than that with the punishment for failing to fulfill the Brentford game. As we haven't actually entered administration as yet, and with only a fortnight to sort the mess out, I think the whole thing is sadly far from over.


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Statement from the chairman says he's "left with no alternative" but to place the club in administration: https://www.bwfc.co.uk/...m-from-the-chairman/

So they'll start next season with a 12 point deduction, apparently. Can't help feeling this is still a better outcome for all parties, even the creditors, than jumping into bed with the likes of Bassini. And it must be doubtful whether, with his record of bankruptcy and a previous ban from football, he'd have passed the fit and proper test anyway.

The deduction is likely to be more than that with the punishment for failing to fulfill the Brentford game. As we haven't actually entered administration as yet, and with only a fortnight to sort the mess out, I think the whole thing is sadly far from over.



I don’t feel at all sorry for the club. I feel sorry for the local businesses & authority that will not see a penny. The club will get away with paying a fraction of its debts. If ever a club was a basket case, then Bolton Wanderers are at the top. No doubt they’ll be bought out of administration & in a couple of years time they’ll be on the up again. I’d throw them out the league & not allow them back until every penny was paid back.



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Until someone discovers how to extract blood out of a stone then, assuming a buyer is not forthcoming, administration then potentially liquidation are the only remaining steps available. Bad debts are an inevitable part of business and business people understand that and try to mitigate against it. Once in administration, any new owner that brings the club back out of it will likely want/need to re-establish both goodwill amongst the community and trading relationship with at least some of the creditors - relationships which will likely be far more beneficial to those creditors in the long run than expelling the club from the league in the vain hope they'd ever generate enough funds to pay back even a fraction of the original debt. Same principle would apply if it ever reached the liquidation stage and we were talking about a phoenix club.

Saying all that, I wouldn't be averse to seeing them have a taste of non-league football, but that's purely because of past rivalries! Cool


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Until someone discovers how to extract blood out of a stone then, assuming a buyer is not forthcoming, administration then potentially liquidation are the only remaining steps available. Bad debts are an inevitable part of business and business people understand that and try to mitigate against it. Once in administration, any new owner that brings the club back out of it will likely want/need to re-establish both goodwill amongst the community and trading relationship with at least some of the creditors - relationships which will likely be far more beneficial to those creditors in the long run than expelling the club from the league in the vain hope they'd ever generate enough funds to pay back even a fraction of the original debt. Same principle would apply if it ever reached the liquidation stage and we were talking about a phoenix club.

Saying all that, I wouldn't be averse to seeing them have a taste of non-league football, but that's purely because of past rivalries! Cool



I believe they owe £46million or £56 million(I forget exactly which one). Those involved in trying to rescue them, are really interested in the Hotel & not paying back the debt. They owe the local authorities £1.2 million. These are astronomical figures for a Div1 club. How they were allowed to finance a promotion winning team only 2 seasons ago is a joke. When they should’ve been trying to service the debt. Those involved in trying to rescue them, are now arguing as to who should finance the administration. The Hotel should be sold & then last see who’s interested in saving the club.



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12-point deduction confirmed for next season for going into administration.

https://www.efl.com/...t-bolton-wanderers3/


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Possibly more coming when the EFL discuss sanction to be imposed for failing to fulfil the Brentford game? Middlesbrough lost points for the same thing albeit slightly different circumstances and it was the PL who dealt with that one.


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Possibly more coming when the EFL discuss sanction to be imposed for failing to fulfil the Brentford game? Middlesbrough lost points for the same thing albeit slightly different circumstances and it was the PL who dealt with that one.

There has been half a suggestion that any deduction for the Brentford game would be deducted from the 2018/19 total given that the offence took place during that season. Not sure of the accuracy of that, but that was certainly the case with Middlesbrough, albeit they committed their offence earlier in the season and the deduction had a marked effect on the league table.


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Desperate times. Apparently, Bolton staff have had to turn to a Food Bank.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48268140

One bright spot is that it seems there has been a helping hand from another Championship outfit.

It's a tough environment outside the Premier League.

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It's a tough environment outside the Premier League.


It's a tough environment anywhere if you allow it to be.


007Dale
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It's a tough environment outside the Premier League.


It's a tough environment anywhere if you allow it to be.


As if things couldn’t get any worse for Bolton, Basinni has declared he’s going to try and buy them from the administrator.

Given he couldn’t find the money a few weeks ago, not sure where it’s going to come from now.


windydcfc
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According to an article in the Independent, any prospective buyer must have proof that they have £25mil to take control of the club https://www.independent.co.uk/...ership-a8926406.html



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
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Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


paulh66
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Preferred bidder now identified by the administrators. All being well, terms should be signed off tomorrow, at which point the identity of the new owners should be made public. More at https://www.bwfc.co.uk/....XQIyXB5wqVA.twitter


paulh66
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I'd assumed this was all playing out to plan, despite the delays. But I see Bolton players have gone on strike again over unpaid wages, forcing the cancellation of the upcoming friendly with Chester.


windydcfc
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Having two different administrators hasn’t helped matters(one for the hotel & the other for the club). I understand that this had to happen because one of the clubs creditors is the hotel.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Swindon Addick
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I'd assumed this was all playing out to plan, despite the delays. But I see Bolton players have gone on strike again over unpaid wages, forcing the cancellation of the upcoming friendly with Chester.

Another friendly cancelled due to the players being on strike. Various media sources saying that the administrators are not paying the players and the prospective new owners seem to be suggesting some form of phasing of repayment once the takeover happens. Given that the players are one of the groups who have to be paid in full if the club isn't to be kicked out of the league, things are sounding ominous.

The local paper is reporting that, allowing for players who are still there but have handed in their notice, the club currently only have 7 players.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49057652
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windydcfc
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The proposed takeover of Bolton Wanderers is on the verge of completion https://www.skysports.com/...by-football-ventures



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


(This post was edited by windydcfc on Jul 22, 2019, 7:06 PM)


Karen Browne
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Another friendly cancelled

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49072909



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jon b
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Interesting League One League Table already with both Bolton and Bury on -12 points.

Of course, in current circumstances, even if either or both are relegated, if they're still in existence at the end of the campaign, it'll count as a successful season.

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windydcfc
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EFL has significant concerns about the ongoing situation at Bolton https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49098808



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Massive twist here. Just as the sale was about to go through this afternoon Bassini has obtained a court order preventing it! https://www.bwfc.co.uk/...or-bolton-wanderers/


windydcfc
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EFL Statement https://www.efl.com/...019/august/new-page/



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


paulh66
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Bolton's game with Doncaster tomorrow is postponed due to the club's concerns over their young players' welfare: https://www.bwfc.co.uk/...r-bolton-wanderers3/

Their management and medical staff tried to do likewise to last Saturday's game but, this time, the administrators are on board with it.

I assume another points deduction is on the way.


(This post was edited by paulh66 on Aug 19, 2019, 4:02 PM)


windydcfc
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EFL official statement https://www.efl.com/...nt-bolton-wanderers/



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Going by previous (i.e. Middlesbrough, 1996-97), it should be a 3 point deduction for FTF. I don't think it'll make much difference to their predicament.


Leyther_Matt
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Bolton's game with Doncaster tomorrow is postponed due to the club's concerns over their young players' welfare: https://www.bwfc.co.uk/...r-bolton-wanderers3/

Their management and medical staff tried to do likewise to last Saturday's game but, this time, the administrators are on board with it.

I assume another points deduction is on the way.

I don't think it is a coincidence that this is a home game with the costs that it entails rather than fulfilling an away fixture.

Don't know what to think any more. The whole thing has just been toying with our emotions for months on end with no end - positive or otherwise - in sight.


Tykeoldboy
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If young players are unable to play twice a week how are they going to play at a higher level, if that is there ambion, or for that matter how would these youngsters cope at say step 3 and lower where teams can play 3 to 4 times a week towards the end of a season. If these kids aren't capable then they should find other jobs.



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windydcfc
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If young players are unable to play twice a week how are they going to play at a higher level, if that is there ambion, or for that matter how would these youngsters cope at say step 3 and lower where teams can play 3 to 4 times a week towards the end of a season. If these kids aren't capable then they should find other jobs.



Are we 100% sure that this isn’t being used as an excuse? With the real reason being that they don’t want to get tanked every week until the takeover is completed. Hoping that the EFL won’t throw the book at them!



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


007Dale
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If young players are unable to play twice a week how are they going to play at a higher level, if that is there ambion, or for that matter how would these youngsters cope at say step 3 and lower where teams can play 3 to 4 times a week towards the end of a season. If these kids aren't capable then they should find other jobs.



Are we 100% sure that this isn’t being used as an excuse? With the real reason being that they don’t want to get tanked every week until the takeover is completed. Hoping that the EFL won’t throw the book at them!


I don’t think this can be the case, they’ll get a 3 point deduction for this. They only benefit if they subsequently beat Doncaster in the rearranged fixture (ie net zero points), but just don’t take a hit on the goal difference.

It’s simply not worth the risk.

My assumption is that it’s aimed more at the potential new owners, giving them a kick to get on with it. Let’s face it, they are going down, it’s all about next season now.


windydcfc
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If young players are unable to play twice a week how are they going to play at a higher level, if that is there ambion, or for that matter how would these youngsters cope at say step 3 and lower where teams can play 3 to 4 times a week towards the end of a season. If these kids aren't capable then they should find other jobs.



Are we 100% sure that this isn’t being used as an excuse? With the real reason being that they don’t want to get tanked every week until the takeover is completed. Hoping that the EFL won’t throw the book at them!


I don’t think this can be the case, they’ll get a 3 point deduction for this. They only benefit if they subsequently beat Doncaster in the rearranged fixture (ie net zero points), but just don’t take a hit on the goal difference.

It’s simply not worth the risk.

My assumption is that it’s aimed more at the potential new owners, giving them a kick to get on with it. Let’s face it, they are going down, it’s all about next season now.



What are the EFL going to do if this isn’t all sorted in the next month?



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


TroubleAtMill
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It could be more than 3 points as the game at the end of last season they also didn't play has still has to have a punishment adjudicated.


Leyther_Matt
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If young players are unable to play twice a week how are they going to play at a higher level, if that is there ambion, or for that matter how would these youngsters cope at say step 3 and lower where teams can play 3 to 4 times a week towards the end of a season. If these kids aren't capable then they should find other jobs.

There are EFL rules that prevent players aged under 18 years (which covers a significant number of the current squad) playing more than x number of games during a week. This was quoted by the EFL when preventing Bolton using youth players to fulfil the Brentford game last season so has essentially been thrown back at them in suspending the game last night.




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What are the EFL going to do if this isn’t all sorted in the next month?

Personally I feel a lot will come down to the Bury situation - if Bury are indeed thrown out of the league then we won't be far behind them, especially if our game at home to Ipswich on Saturday is another to be suspended.


blackdouglas
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Phil Parkinson and his assistant quit as management team.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49428721



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Leyther_Matt
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Phil Parkinson and his assistant quit as management team.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49428721

Not a good sign. At all.


Spennyfan_chris
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"Kevin Nolan interested in managerial job at crisis club"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49447095



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Spennyfan_chris
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EFL Statement - https://www.efl.com/...t-bolton-wanderers2/

First line from the statement "The EFL Board remains concerned at the ongoing delays at Bolton Wanderers that have prevented the conclusion of the various sale agreements and documents that would result in the Club’s exit from administration."



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windydcfc
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Grave news coming out of Bolton https://www.bwfc.co.uk/...r-bolton-wanderers4/



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


PaulC
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Nwew statement from Joint administrator

"In just over 24 hours, the club will have its membership of the EFL revoked. Over and above that, the club is currently not in a position to carry on trading and, as such, the process of closing down the company will commence on Wednesday.

This will ultimately lead to its liquidation, the expulsion of the club from the EFL and the inevitable loss of over 150 jobs. More than that, it will devastate a community for whom the football club is a beacon of hope and expectation"

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/....XWOrWR4Wo6g.twitter


(This post was edited by PaulC on Aug 26, 2019, 11:56 AM)


007Dale
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Nwew statement from Joint administrator

"In just over 24 hours, the club will have its membership of the EFL revoked. Over and above that, the club is currently not in a position to carry on trading and, as such, the process of closing down the company will commence on Wednesday.

This will ultimately lead to its liquidation, the expulsion of the club from the EFL and the inevitable loss of over 150 jobs. More than that, it will devastate a community for whom the football club is a beacon of hope and expectation"

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/august/statement-on-behalf-of-paul-appleton-joint-administrator-for-bolton-wanderers4/#.XWOrWR4Wo6g.twitter


Very sad.


Spennyfan_chris
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"Bolton Wanderers: EFL gives club 14-day expulsion threat"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49491632



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Leyther_Matt
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"Bolton Wanderers: EFL gives club 14-day expulsion threat"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49491632

It will come to a conclusion much sooner than that as there is no money left in the pot and wages are due this week.


paulh66
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All done and dusted: https://www.bwfc.co.uk/...r-bolton-wanderers3/

Thanks goodness for that - we had a 5-0 win riding on it and we want to beat them at their place too. Wink

Damning comments about Anderson in that statement.


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Doncaster's game against Bolton's kids was postponed, I hope that doesn't come back to bite us at the end of the season.



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If I understand right, they now have a few days to recruit a new squad before the transfer deadline kicks in. If there's any residual reluctance among players to go to Bolton, this could be a long hard season for them.

Still massively better than going out of business, of course.



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If I understand right, they now have a few days to recruit a new squad before the transfer deadline kicks in. If there's any residual reluctance among players to go to Bolton, this could be a long hard season for them.

Still massively better than going out of business, of course.

We will still be able to sign free agents after the deadline. Need a manager first though...


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We will still be able to sign free agents after the deadline. Need a manager first though...


Are clubs allowed to sign players from the national league after the transfer deadline?


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We will still be able to sign free agents after the deadline. Need a manager first though...


Are clubs allowed to sign players from the national league after the transfer deadline?

Not if they're under contract, no.


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I did wonder if they would go and sign the entire Chorley squad!


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The EFL are expected to hand out Bolton’s punishment this Friday. Over the postponed games against Doncaster https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/...punishment-decision/



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
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The EFL are expected to hand out Bolton’s punishment this Friday. Over the postponed games against Doncaster https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/...punishment-decision/

My hunch is that we get a three point deduction for the Brentford game that is deemed to be suspended. The Doncaster game then activates these three, plus a further three and a fine. At this stage, I can't imagine the Brentford punishment coming off last season's points total even though that was when the offence occurred.


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The EFL are expected to hand out Bolton’s punishment this Friday. Over the postponed games against Doncaster https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/...punishment-decision/

My hunch is that we get a three point deduction for the Brentford game that is deemed to be suspended. The Doncaster game then activates these three, plus a further three and a fine. At this stage, I can't imagine the Brentford punishment coming off last season's points total even though that was when the offence occurred.



The decision by the EFL has been delayed https://www.boltonwanderers.news/...erers-delayed-again/



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Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
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The EFL are expected to hand out Bolton’s punishment this Friday. Over the postponed games against Doncaster https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/...punishment-decision/

My hunch is that we get a three point deduction for the Brentford game that is deemed to be suspended. The Doncaster game then activates these three, plus a further three and a fine. At this stage, I can't imagine the Brentford punishment coming off last season's points total even though that was when the offence occurred.



The decision by the EFL has been delayed https://www.boltonwanderers.news/...erers-delayed-again/



Bolton given 5 points suspended sentence https://www.efl.com/...nt-bolton-wanderers/



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Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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The punishment handed down to Bolton for failing to fulfill 2 fixtures means that when a team doesn't want to play a game, i.e. too many first team players out with injury, then all they will get is a slap on the wrist and a fine. Neither Doncaster Rovers or the EFL were informed of what was happening until after the game was cancelled by Bolton.



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A decision that's subject to appeal from the EFL itself. That could be an interesting dilemma for the league - on the one hand some reports are saying other League 1 clubs are not at all happy about today's verdict, on the other hand, its leniency might suggest strong mitigating circumstances, of which the EFL's complicity in allowing Bolton's situation to happen and then deteriorate would surely be one. So the EFL may have to choose between acting on its members wishes or in its own self-interest. A political fudge will doubtless be the end result if it comes to that.


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A decision that's subject to appeal from the EFL itself. That could be an interesting dilemma for the league - on the one hand some reports are saying other League 1 clubs are not at all happy about today's verdict, on the other hand, its leniency might suggest strong mitigating circumstances, of which the EFL's complicity in allowing Bolton's situation to happen and then deteriorate would surely be one. So the EFL may have to choose between acting on its members wishes or in its own self-interest. A political fudge will doubtless be the end result if it comes to that.


I’m keen to understand how the EFL is culpable for the collapse of Bolton Wanderers. Please explain.

Personally I am astonished the club have had a points deduction suspended. This sets a prescient that you don’t have to play a game if you have a few absent players or don’t feel like it. Disgraceful.


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We do not yet know the basis of the independent disciplinary panel's verdict so can only speculate on what they have accepted as mitigation. However, it's pretty obvious that the following factors contributed to the situation that the panel were asked to adjudicate on:

- the design and/or implementation of the EFL's directors/owners test that allowed Anderson to acquire the club;
- the design and/or implementation of the EFL's financial sustainability regulations and procedures that were clearly ineffective in helping prevent the club reaching the precipice;
- the EFL's transfer ban which meant the club was reliant on fielding kids which, in turn, created a situation whereby the welfare of those kids would have arguably been compromised (citing EPL academy guidelines, so I'm guessing no equivalent guidelines exist in the EFL) had the Doncaster game gone ahead.

The EFL has a decision to make. If the feeling amongst member clubs is that the verdict is too lenient then the EFL should appeal it imho, regardless of any possible self interest. If it's found there are no grounds for a successful appeal, then any lessons learned should probably filter into the EFL's financial sustainability review that's currently ongoing.


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The EFL is appealing against the decision on grounds of it being too lenient.


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- the design and/or implementation of the EFL's directors/owners test that allowed Anderson to acquire the club;
- the design and/or implementation of the EFL's financial sustainability regulations and procedures that were clearly ineffective in helping prevent the club reaching the precipice;
- the EFL's transfer ban which meant the club was reliant on fielding kids which, in turn, created a situation whereby the welfare of those kids would have arguably been compromised (citing EPL academy guidelines, so I'm guessing no equivalent guidelines exist in the EFL) had the Doncaster game gone ahead.


The first two points I don’t think are relevant. The EFL can’t be held accountable if someone runs a football club badly. We seem to live in a world where we can’t be accountable for our own actions and must blame others.

However, I do think the third point you make has some validity. To an extent the imposition of a transfer ban did impact the welfare of the young players.

To this extent, you could argue the points deduction for the Doncaster game is the only one to be queried. However, the way they went about postponing it, without discussion with the EFL or Doncaster was reprehensible.

Glad to see the EFL is appealing.


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Regulators and regulation are accountable too, in all walks of life. Otherwise why have them. The effectiveness of EFL regulation is, to say the least, open to question.


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The punishment handed down to Bolton for failing to fulfill 2 fixtures means that when a team doesn't want to play a game, i.e. too many first team players out with injury, then all they will get is a slap on the wrist and a fine. Neither Doncaster Rovers or the EFL were informed of what was happening until after the game was cancelled by Bolton.

Except it wasn't because there were too many first team players injured, it was because there wasn't a first team. The postponement simply went along with the EFL rules of how many games can be played by players of a certain age within a certain period of time.

The biggest scandal of all this is how long it has taken to make a decision.

In my opinion, the EFL appeal is simply paying lip service to the faux outrage from the clubs who feel like they've missed out on a 'free hit'. Not sure how Coventry fit in to that rhetoric given they play a team of kids but drew 0-0.


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The punishment handed down to Bolton for failing to fulfill 2 fixtures means that when a team doesn't want to play a game, i.e. too many first team players out with injury, then all they will get is a slap on the wrist and a fine. Neither Doncaster Rovers or the EFL were informed of what was happening until after the game was cancelled by Bolton.

Except it wasn't because there were too many first team players injured, it was because there wasn't a first team. The postponement simply went along with the EFL rules of how many games can be played by players of a certain age within a certain period of time.

The biggest scandal of all this is how long it has taken to make a decision.

In my opinion, the EFL appeal is simply paying lip service to the faux outrage from the clubs who feel like they've missed out on a 'free hit'. Not sure how Coventry fit in to that rhetoric given they play a team of kids but drew 0-0.


Come the end of the this season and after Bolton had taken points off Doncaster in their rearranged game, Doncaster miss out on automatic promotion or the play offs by the same amount of points lost to Bolton in said game. I realise that in the original game, with Bolton playing a youth side that Bolton could have got a draw or win, despite losing their previous games by large margins. This could mean Doncaster missing out on the financial rewards of playing in the Championship in 2020/21. The same applies if Bolton escape relegation by points gained in the same rearranged fixture. The EDL have already set it's precedent with a game not being played with Brentford v Bolton game last season where they awarded the game to Brentford 1-0

Are the EFL heading for a summer of legal disruption?



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. This sets a prescient that you don’t have to play a game if you have a few absent players or don’t feel like it. Disgraceful.


I knew you were going to say that. 😊


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The punishment handed down to Bolton for failing to fulfill 2 fixtures means that when a team doesn't want to play a game, i.e. too many first team players out with injury, then all they will get is a slap on the wrist and a fine. Neither Doncaster Rovers or the EFL were informed of what was happening until after the game was cancelled by Bolton.

Except it wasn't because there were too many first team players injured, it was because there wasn't a first team. The postponement simply went along with the EFL rules of how many games can be played by players of a certain age within a certain period of time.

The biggest scandal of all this is how long it has taken to make a decision.

In my opinion, the EFL appeal is simply paying lip service to the faux outrage from the clubs who feel like they've missed out on a 'free hit'. Not sure how Coventry fit in to that rhetoric given they play a team of kids but drew 0-0.


Come the end of the this season and after Bolton had taken points off Doncaster in their rearranged game, Doncaster miss out on automatic promotion or the play offs by the same amount of points lost to Bolton in said game. I realise that in the original game, with Bolton playing a youth side that Bolton could have got a draw or win, despite losing their previous games by large margins. This could mean Doncaster missing out on the financial rewards of playing in the Championship in 2020/21. The same applies if Bolton escape relegation by points gained in the same rearranged fixture. The EDL have already set it's precedent with a game not being played with Brentford v Bolton game last season where they awarded the game to Brentford 1-0

Are the EFL heading for a summer of legal disruption?

Our team of kids drew 0-0 with Coventry, a side currently nine points clear of Doncaster, so there's no saying that Doncaster would have had a win.

The Brentford game last season is entirely different because it was the EFL who refused the offer to replay the game after the final day of the season, whereas the Doncaster game had adequate time to be rearranged.

Lincoln vs Bolton was called off the other week because Lincoln hadn't adequately protected their pitch against the rain. Should Lincoln significantly strengthen their side during January, do Bolton have grounds to appeal because we should have faced a weaker side on the original fixture date?

As I posted previously, the postponement was entirely in line with the EFL's own rules on player welfare when it comes to a significant number of younger players.


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As I posted previously, the postponement was entirely in line with the EFL's own rules on player welfare when it comes to a significant number of younger players.


This isn't quite correct.

Bolton unilaterally postponed the Doncaster game, citing Premier League academy guidelines (not EFL rules) in support of their actions. Note these are guidelines not rules, and they don't explicitly prohibit more than one game a week.

Bolton also said they'd tried to get the previous Saturday's match postponed because of similar concerns, but that the EFL told them to play it. So it was by no means a given that the EFL would have agreed to the Doncaster game being postponed. Which is presumably why the club took it upon itself to postpone the game.

Leaving aside the self-interest of the other L1 clubs, it's no wonder the EFL is appealing what's little more than a slap on the wrist for a display of outright contempt.


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As I posted previously, the postponement was entirely in line with the EFL's own rules on player welfare when it comes to a significant number of younger players.


Yes, but the protocol is to discuss it with the EFL rather than unilaterally postponing it.

Going back a few years in the PL, can’t remember exactly, but didn’t Middlesbrough get a 3 point deduction for doing exactly that?

I have no skin in the game as far as league one is concerned, so being objective, I’d certainly apply the points deduction from the Brentford game.

The mitigating circumstances would have to be spectacular not to apply it to the Doncaster game on the grounds of not discussing it with the EFL.

Also don’t think the manager did the club any favours with his statement yesterday.


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The punishment handed down to Bolton for failing to fulfill 2 fixtures means that when a team doesn't want to play a game, i.e. too many first team players out with injury, then all they will get is a slap on the wrist and a fine. Neither Doncaster Rovers or the EFL were informed of what was happening until after the game was cancelled by Bolton.

Except it wasn't because there were too many first team players injured, it was because there wasn't a first team. The postponement simply went along with the EFL rules of how many games can be played by players of a certain age within a certain period of time.

The biggest scandal of all this is how long it has taken to make a decision.

In my opinion, the EFL appeal is simply paying lip service to the faux outrage from the clubs who feel like they've missed out on a 'free hit'. Not sure how Coventry fit in to that rhetoric given they play a team of kids but drew 0-0.


Come the end of the this season and after Bolton had taken points off Doncaster in their rearranged game, Doncaster miss out on automatic promotion or the play offs by the same amount of points lost to Bolton in said game. I realise that in the original game, with Bolton playing a youth side that Bolton could have got a draw or win, despite losing their previous games by large margins. This could mean Doncaster missing out on the financial rewards of playing in the Championship in 2020/21. The same applies if Bolton escape relegation by points gained in the same rearranged fixture. The EDL have already set it's precedent with a game not being played with Brentford v Bolton game last season where they awarded the game to Brentford 1-0

Are the EFL heading for a summer of legal disruption?

Our team of kids drew 0-0 with Coventry, a side currently nine points clear of Doncaster, so there's no saying that Doncaster would have had a win.

The Brentford game last season is entirely different because it was the EFL who refused the offer to replay the game after the final day of the season, whereas the Doncaster game had adequate time to be rearranged.

Lincoln vs Bolton was called off the other week because Lincoln hadn't adequately protected their pitch against the rain. Should Lincoln significantly strengthen their side during January, do Bolton have grounds to appeal because we should have faced a weaker side on the original fixture date?

As I posted previously, the postponement was entirely in line with the EFL's own rules on player welfare when it comes to a significant number of younger players.

I said that in my comment because I was expecting the comment you made.

I don't see how a game that is postponed because of the weather is relevant. We are coming into Winter and there is a possibility that there will be postponements to league games on the day of the actual fixture due to the weather.



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The punishment handed down to Bolton for failing to fulfill 2 fixtures means that when a team doesn't want to play a game, i.e. too many first team players out with injury, then all they will get is a slap on the wrist and a fine. Neither Doncaster Rovers or the EFL were informed of what was happening until after the game was cancelled by Bolton.


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Except it wasn't because there were too many first team players injured, it was because there wasn't a first team. The postponement simply went along with the EFL rules of how many games can be played by players of a certain age within a certain period of time.


No.

Because of catastrophic mismanagement of the club they put themselves in a position where they were unable to put a team out and fulfil a fixture.

Doncaster shouldn't be awarded the points and the fixture should be re-arranged but obviously Bolton should suffer a points deduction, not the nonsense of a suspended points deduction.

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As I posted previously, the postponement was entirely in line with the EFL's own rules on player welfare when it comes to a significant number of younger players.


Yes, but the protocol is to discuss it with the EFL rather than unilaterally postponing it.

Going back a few years in the PL, can’t remember exactly, but didn’t Middlesbrough get a 3 point deduction for doing exactly that?

I have no skin in the game as far as league one is concerned, so being objective, I’d certainly apply the points deduction from the Brentford game.

The mitigating circumstances would have to be spectacular not to apply it to the Doncaster game on the grounds of not discussing it with the EFL.

Also don’t think the manager did the club any favours with his statement yesterday.

If nothing else, the Middlesbrough precedent probably indicates how ridiculous it is that the EFL don’t actually have any hard and fast rules with regards to ‘unauthorised postponements’. Not too dissimilar to the 12 point insolvency penalty being introduced after Leicester’s mid-administration promotion. I don’t see how the EFL can punish a club if you’re only writing the rules after the event.


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As I posted previously, the postponement was entirely in line with the EFL's own rules on player welfare when it comes to a significant number of younger players.


Yes, but the protocol is to discuss it with the EFL rather than unilaterally postponing it.

Going back a few years in the PL, can’t remember exactly, but didn’t Middlesbrough get a 3 point deduction for doing exactly that?

I have no skin in the game as far as league one is concerned, so being objective, I’d certainly apply the points deduction from the Brentford game.

The mitigating circumstances would have to be spectacular not to apply it to the Doncaster game on the grounds of not discussing it with the EFL.

Also don’t think the manager did the club any favours with his statement yesterday.

If nothing else, the Middlesbrough precedent probably indicates how ridiculous it is that the EFL don’t actually have any hard and fast rules with regards to ‘unauthorised postponements’. Not too dissimilar to the 12 point insolvency penalty being introduced after Leicester’s mid-administration promotion. I don’t see how the EFL can punish a club if you’re only writing the rules after the event.

Off track of the Bolton situation but the reason for the 12 point penalty being introduced was because of what happened at Leicester, strange thing is had it been applied during the 2002 season against them they would still have been promoted.


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If nothing else, the Middlesbrough precedent probably indicates how ridiculous it is that the EFL don’t actually have any hard and fast rules with regards to ‘unauthorised postponements’.


There is sound logic behind that, in that a failure to fulfil could be caused by a whole range of factors and there could be a whole range of mitigating circumstances. Either way, the existing rule is what's been agreed by the EFL members.

In the light of this latest farce, though, it may well be that the idea of recategorising failure to fulfil to a 'fixed penalty' offence will gather support. Wonder which way Bolton would vote on that.. Tongue

 
 


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