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THDrummer1
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In respect of the 1-2-4-8-16-16 aim:


By my calculations steps 4, 5 and 6 currently have 770 teams between them.


When the new 8-16-16 pyramid comes in at steps 4, 5 and 6 they would need 800 teams between them (working on a 20 clubs per division scenario) – I realise that this is the season after next.


Therefore 30 teams are needed to achieve this objective.


27 x step 7 teams have applied and 3 x non step 7 teams have applied = 30 teams


Just the right amount to achieve the FALC’s dream.


Please excuse me if my calculations are wrong, it has to be said that maths is not my strong point.


Additionally this is not considering any failed step 7 applications or whether any clubs fold or merge.


If I’ve gone totally off piste with this please tell me, it’s a public forum after all.
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I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Ollerton Town have asked for a lateral transfer to the EMCL.
Shirebrook 1st team players have all left the club & they’re playing the Reserve lads. So they may get dragged into a relegation battle.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


(This post was edited by windydcfc on Feb 15, 2019, 5:09 PM)


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With the Wessex 1 presumably looking to gain a team to take them up to 20, can anyone suggest where this team might come from given the lack of applicants from the Wiltshire or Dorset leagues? Would it be a lateral transfer from elsewhere or perhaps a relaxation of the top 5 rule for Stockbridge (assuming of course the other two fail grading)?


The top 5 rule is drafted in a way that leaves no further room for manoeuvre so I'd be very surprised if they relaxed that.


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West Bridgford have tweeted that the FA has confirmed that any teams at step 6 that turn down promotion to step 5 will be demoted to step 7.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


THDrummer1
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I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Ollerton Town have asked for a lateral transfer to the EMCL.
Shirebrook 1st team players have all left the club & they’re playing the Reserve lads. So they may get dragged into a relegation battle.


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To be honest, if I was involved in either of these two club's I'd want transferring into the EMCL, same level, loads less travelling, easier to attract players, nearly every match is a local Derby. What's not to like?


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I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Ollerton Town have asked for a lateral transfer to the EMCL.
Shirebrook 1st team players have all left the club & they’re playing the Reserve lads. So they may get dragged into a relegation battle.



To be honest, if I was involved in either of these two club's I'd want transferring into the EMCL, same level, loads less travelling, easier to attract players, nearly every match is a local Derby. What's not to like?



If Ilkley, Golcar, Retford & Brigg are all promoted. Then I can’t see any reasons why the FA can’t place the Ollerton & Shirebrook into the EMCL. I’ve got a feeling that Bolsover will be relegated anyway. The only issue is, will this perfect scenario only last a single season? If the FA wants to create a new step 5 league in the Midlands & reduces the step 6 league’s from 20 next season to 16 the season after. Then surely the current step 6 situation, across the Midlands(EMCL, UCL1, MFL1 & WMRL Prem) will change drastically.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


(This post was edited by windydcfc on Feb 15, 2019, 7:01 PM)


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I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Ollerton Town have asked for a lateral transfer to the EMCL.
Shirebrook 1st team players have all left the club & they’re playing the Reserve lads. So they may get dragged into a relegation battle.



To be honest, if I was involved in either of these two club's I'd want transferring into the EMCL, same level, loads less travelling, easier to attract players, nearly every match is a local Derby. What's not to like?



If Ilkley, Golcar, Retford & Brigg are all promoted. Then I can’t see any reasons why the FA can’t place the Ollerton & Shirebrook into the EMCL. I’ve got a feeling that Bolsover will be relegated anyway. The only issue is, will this perfect scenario only last a single season? If the FA wants to create a new step 5 league in the Midlands & reduces the step 6 league’s from 20 next season to 16 the season after. Then surely the current step 6 situation, across the Midlands(EMCL, UCL1, MFL1 & WMRL Prem) will change drastically.


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I'd agree with Wazza that Retford and Brigg would go into the NCEL1 and Ilkley and Golcar (Manchester side of Huddersfield, further west than Shelley) would go into the NWCL1N


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I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Ollerton Town have asked for a lateral transfer to the EMCL.
Shirebrook 1st team players have all left the club & they’re playing the Reserve lads. So they may get dragged into a relegation battle.



To be honest, if I was involved in either of these two club's I'd want transferring into the EMCL, same level, loads less travelling, easier to attract players, nearly every match is a local Derby. What's not to like?



If Ilkley, Golcar, Retford & Brigg are all promoted. Then I can’t see any reasons why the FA can’t place the Ollerton & Shirebrook into the EMCL. I’ve got a feeling that Bolsover will be relegated anyway. The only issue is, will this perfect scenario only last a single season? If the FA wants to create a new step 5 league in the Midlands & reduces the step 6 league’s from 20 next season to 16 the season after. Then surely the current step 6 situation, across the Midlands(EMCL, UCL1, MFL1 & WMRL Prem) will change drastically.


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I'd agree with Wazza that Retford and Brigg would go into the NCEL1 and Ilkley and Golcar (Manchester side of Huddersfield, further west than Shelley) would go into the NWCL1N



But Rob’s reprieves almost every club at step 6. I personally think more clubs will be relegated than he thinks. But neither of us know what the FALC will decide to do. As for Shelley, I always thought they’d ask for a lateral transfer to the NCEL1. They were always keen to get promoted & their freebie promotion to the NWCL1N got them what they wanted. Now they’re at step 6 they can get into the league that suits them best.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


THDrummer1
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I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Ollerton Town have asked for a lateral transfer to the EMCL.
Shirebrook 1st team players have all left the club & they’re playing the Reserve lads. So they may get dragged into a relegation battle.



To be honest, if I was involved in either of these two club's I'd want transferring into the EMCL, same level, loads less travelling, easier to attract players, nearly every match is a local Derby. What's not to like?



If Ilkley, Golcar, Retford & Brigg are all promoted. Then I can’t see any reasons why the FA can’t place the Ollerton & Shirebrook into the EMCL. I’ve got a feeling that Bolsover will be relegated anyway. The only issue is, will this perfect scenario only last a single season? If the FA wants to create a new step 5 league in the Midlands & reduces the step 6 league’s from 20 next season to 16 the season after. Then surely the current step 6 situation, across the Midlands(EMCL, UCL1, MFL1 & WMRL Prem) will change drastically.


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I'd agree with Wazza that Retford and Brigg would go into the NCEL1 and Ilkley and Golcar (Manchester side of Huddersfield, further west than Shelley) would go into the NWCL1N



But Rob’s reprieves almost every club at step 6. I personally think more clubs will be relegated than he thinks. But neither of us know what the FALC will decide to do. As for Shelley, I always thought they’d ask for a lateral transfer to the NCEL1. They were always keen to get promoted & their freebie promotion to the NWCL1N got them what they wanted. Now they’re at step 6 they can get into the league that suits them best.


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I agree that the spreadsheet shows too few relegations from step 6, I would have thought that about one per league would be about right, allowing some scope for lateral transfers, and subsequent reorganisation.


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I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Ollerton Town have asked for a lateral transfer to the EMCL.
Shirebrook 1st team players have all left the club & they’re playing the Reserve lads. So they may get dragged into a relegation battle.



Whats the story with Shirebrook mate?



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If I’ve gone totally off piste with this please tell me, it’s a public forum after all.
Discuss!



A public forum requires interesting content if it's to stimulate discussion. Good luck trying to do so with some kind of gap analysis between the needs of a hypothetical future pyramid and the current pyramid in trying to second guess how the LC might exercise their discretion in the coming summer! Tongue

Joking aside, I can only go back to what I said earlier, that I'd expect the LC to exercise their discretion in a way that's at least compatible with achieving their overall vision of the so-called 'perfect pyramid, whether it's 1-2-4-8-16-16 or whatever their current thinking is for the future. Not sure I'll have any firmer views on that until we see exactly how they do grant any discretional reprieves this summer.


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With addition of another South West Peninsula division at Step 6 next season there should be 7 x Step 4 Divisions, 14 x Step 5 Divisions and 20 x Step 6 Divisions with a maximum of 820 teams in total (although likely will be at least 10 or so short of that as not all leagues will run with 20). Moving to 8+16+16 will reduce the number of divisions by 1 and therefore maximum number of teams to 800 so assume bottom 20 Step 6 teams will be relegated at end of next season to achieve the reduction with new applicants making up the 10 or so shortfall (plus filling any gaps caused by withdrawals/ground grading demotions etc.).


Assuming 7 clubs come down from Step 4 to 5 then 27 would go the other way. With 14 clubs coming down from Step 5 to 6 then 74 would go the other way, however would be significant differences between footprint of Step 5 and 6 divisions if this was the case (for instance in the far south west the Step 5 division would still probably run from Cornwall up to Bristol whereas at step 6 the comparable division would only stretch into West Devon. Alternative would be to group all Step 5 and Step 6 teams together and divide into 16 groups of 40 with top 20 teams going to step 5 and bottom 20 to step 6 so that the footprints of the Step 5 leagues would match with the Step 6. As 252 of those teams would be qualified for the 320 Step 5 places under existing promotion/relegation rules (Top 18 in each of the 14 Step 5 leagues + 7 teams relegated from Step 4 + champions of 20 x Step 6 leagues less the 27 clubs promoted to Step 4) then in event that more than 20 of the teams in any group would be part of the 252 then some lateral swapping could occur with Step 6 teams from nearest regions to ensure none of the 252 step 5 team is demoted to step 6 as a result of the grouping. Would mean significant numbers of step 6 teams in south west and Midlands/North West (where there are twice as many step 6 divisions to step 5) would be lifted to step 5, with relatively fewer movements in south east leagues etc. (likely net loss in SCEFL would be 2-3 teams with 2 rising to step 4, 1 demoted to step 7 and possibly 1 coming down from step 4 so only 2-3 teams would be moved across from Southern Combination or Combined Counties). This would, however, possibly reduce some of the geographical imbalances with South West Peninsula and West Midlands being the 2 leagues raised from Step 6 to Step 5 to make up the increase from 14 to 16 and the footprint of the South Midlands and the United Counties leagues moving northwards as their more southerly teams would fill the small number of vacancies in the south east leagues.


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If all 27 step 7 applicants are successful in gaining promotion (unlikely) my best guess would be that the FALC would relegate between 12 and 17 step 6 teams; therefore, there would be a net gain of between 10 and 15 teams at step 6 - we've ascertained previously that the relegations would be determined on a ppg basis.

I appreciate that this would still leave some step 6 leagues short next season but it would give the FALC some 'wriggle room' for the following season when the proposed 1-2-4-8-16-16 system is due to be in place.

Just my thoughts


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Re Hellenic, don't know if this is already being tracked but it'll be interesting to see if the clutch of Herefordshire clubs that applied last season to be laterally transferred from Mid/West Mids into the Hellenic do so again. Iirc they were knocked back only because they applied too late.


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Amongst all the uncertainty in this restructure one thing is clear and that's the fact the the Hellenic East & West need increasing to 16 if not 18 teams each, the bulk must surely come from lateral transfers.


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Re Hellenic, don't know if this is already being tracked but it'll be interesting to see if the clutch of Herefordshire clubs that applied last season to be laterally transferred from Mid/West Mids into the Hellenic do so again. Iirc they were knocked back only because they applied too late.



One of those Herefordshire clubs have told me that they’ve definitely applied to be laterally transferred. I assume they all have.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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A number of posters have mentioned the possibility of Step 6 being reduced to 16 leagues.

Is there anything anywhere to suggest this is even vaguely possible? We do know next season 19 is to rise to 20 and, as far as I know, the Step 6 review group have yet to produce their findings.

I have seen a figure of 24 being mentioned and , assuming 18 per league, this would require 32 from step 7 which is way lower than the number of applicants this year.


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A number of posters have mentioned the possibility of Step 6 being reduced to 16 leagues.

Is there anything anywhere to suggest this is even vaguely possible? We do know next season 19 is to rise to 20 and, as far as I know, the Step 6 review group have yet to produce their findings.

I have seen a figure of 24 being mentioned and , assuming 18 per league, this would require 32 from step 7 which is way lower than the number of applicants this year.



The FA have already stated that this is their intention. The 24 leagues idea was knocked on its head, because the leagues didn’t want to reduce the ground grading requirements at step 6. So there just isn’t enough clubs to create 24 leagues. Plus they’ve got to fill a new step 4 & 2 new step 5 leagues. I heard a rumour(no more than this) from a couple of sources. That the WMRL will be one of the step 6 leagues that we will lose. Whether this coincides with the creation of the new step 5 league being created in the Midlands is open to speculation.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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A number of posters have mentioned the possibility of Step 6 being reduced to 16 leagues.

Is there anything anywhere to suggest this is even vaguely possible? We do know next season 19 is to rise to 20 and, as far as I know, the Step 6 review group have yet to produce their findings.

I have seen a figure of 24 being mentioned and , assuming 18 per league, this would require 32 from step 7 which is way lower than the number of applicants this year.



The FA have already stated that this is their intention. The 24 leagues idea was knocked on its head, because the leagues didn’t want to reduce the ground grading requirements at step 6. So there just isn’t enough clubs to create 24 leagues. Plus they’ve got to fill a new step 4 & 2 new step 5 leagues. I heard a rumour(no more than this) from a couple of sources. That the WMRL will be one of the step 6 leagues that we will lose. Whether this coincides with the creation of the new step 5 league being created in the Midlands is open to speculation.


Can you provide any official source for your claim the FA, or LMC for that matter, intend to scrap four Step 6 leagues? I know they do some crazy things but to create an additional league for next season then scrap 4 the year after takes idiocy to a whole new level.


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A number of posters have mentioned the possibility of Step 6 being reduced to 16 leagues.

Is there anything anywhere to suggest this is even vaguely possible? We do know next season 19 is to rise to 20 and, as far as I know, the Step 6 review group have yet to produce their findings.

I have seen a figure of 24 being mentioned and , assuming 18 per league, this would require 32 from step 7 which is way lower than the number of applicants this year.



The FA have already stated that this is their intention. The 24 leagues idea was knocked on its head, because the leagues didn’t want to reduce the ground grading requirements at step 6. So there just isn’t enough clubs to create 24 leagues. Plus they’ve got to fill a new step 4 & 2 new step 5 leagues. I heard a rumour(no more than this) from a couple of sources. That the WMRL will be one of the step 6 leagues that we will lose. Whether this coincides with the creation of the new step 5 league being created in the Midlands is open to speculation.


Can you provide any official source for your claim the FA, or LMC for that matter, intend to scrap four Step 6 leagues? I know they do some crazy things but to create an additional league for next season then scrap 4 the year after takes idiocy to a whole new level.



There was a full page spread in the Nonleague Paper, with a interview with Laurence Jones. SWPL Phil is the step 5/6 representative on the FA & I’m sure he can confirm that this is the FA’s intention. There’s been several exchanges with him from fellow members, on why the SWPL should have 2 new leagues whilst the FA are going to reduce the amount of leagues elsewhere.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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All updated. I'm in favour of a 1-2-4-8-16-16 pyramid. I'd rather 24 leagues or even 32 at step 6 but if leagues have voted against this then that's that. My issue is surely there has to be transparency across both Step 5 & 6 with regards both leagues have a Premier and Division One.

The SWPL and EMCL having there Step 5 divisions (The Midland League renamed the West Midland League if required).

The NWCFL, SWPL and Hellenic reverting back to one division at step 6 (you may as well do the Hellenic this season!) The Eastern Counties South becoming connected to the Essex Senior League and renamed the ESL Division One. The WRCL or ML1 would be the other league removed or merged together at Step 6.

If this requires Step 4. 5 & 6 leagues to be 22 teams each again it'll happen.



Non League Projections - 2018/19: http://goo.gl/5UvkvE

Step 1: http://goo.gl/9QipfY
Step 2: http://goo.gl/VoE1oY
Step 3: http://goo.gl/Ru3jUk
Step 4: http://goo.gl/QHVmDA
Step 5: http://goo.gl/VrnrYg
Step 6: http://goo.gl/Mk86of


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I believe that the SWPL & NWCL have had assurances that the changes that have/will occur(ed) to their leagues, will stay the same. I did hear that the Hellenic will lose one league. So god knows where the other chops will occur.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


pokal02
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16 at steps 5 & 6 simply cannot work, if only because of the adjustments made to the SWPL. iIi's effectively 3 Step 6's going into the Western leaving 13 to go into the other 15 Step 5's, so the Step 6 footprints would have to be bigger than the Step 5's. The Step 6 clubs in the ECL and NWCL would (rightly) be up in arms. Would think it would have to be at least 20, even if means reducing Step 6 league size to 18.


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16 at steps 5 & 6 simply cannot work, if only because of the adjustments made to the SWPL. iIi's effectively 3 Step 6's going into the Western leaving 13 to go into the other 15 Step 5's, so the Step 6 footprints would have to be bigger than the Step 5's. The Step 6 clubs in the ECL and NWCL would (rightly) be up in arms. Would think it would have to be at least 20, even if means reducing Step 6 league size to 18.


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I agree with this; why can't the FA see this? They really aren't fit for purpose.


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Lateral transfers should then be carried out. As someone stated previously there is a 'pinch point' around the NCEL and EMCL but there is absolutely no doubt that the southernmost clubs in the NCEL should be transferred to the EMCL (this now promotes into the NCELP) as the footprint of the NCEL is way too large; Skegness should remain as their location isn't close to anywhere Smile.

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This isn't an official club view, and we've not heard a thing from anyone, but personally I've always thought we'd be moved at the end of this season no matter what.

Geographically, just seems to make sense when you've got the likes of Clipstone and Sherwood on our door step and they're in the EMCL.


To be honest, Liam, that is likely to depend on how many NCEL Div One clubs are needed to transfer to the EMCL. If one then Town would be the obvious candidates, but if two it’s more likely to be Shirebrook and Bolsover (assuming Boza aren’t relegated) because of the ground share.

I’ve not yet looked at the updated projections but the last lot I saw had our longest journey being to Borrowash and Prims who have separate grounds within the same site, about 23 miles. Right now that suits us down to the ground.
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Hi Gord.

I know it's guess work at the moment but if Bolsover get relegated do you think Ollerton and Shirebrook would be moved to the EMCL, and if so do you think it would be a good move for them?

Who would be the candidates to be laterally moved out of the EMCL to accommodate them?

Thanks



I would say that is a distinct possibility. The remaining Leicestershire clubs in the EMCL would be the first to be transferred as has already happened to some. Ironically the EMCL was formed with the best Central Midlands and Leicestershire Senior clubs, but it’s becoming a Notts and East Derbyshire league as things stand.

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