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THDrummer1
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A tweet from Golcar Utd saying that planning permission for new floodlights has been granted, also appealing for sponsorship so not sure if finances are in place as yet.


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With rumours circulating that Notts County could go into administration very soon and with points deduction be relegated for certain.

Does the National League accept clubs in Admin or do they have to start in NL North like Boston did about 15 years ago.

If Notts Co do get put in NL North then it surely would save one of them South East clubs being transferred to NL North.

And they are just rumours and nothing more. The financial problems at Paragon Interiors have nothing to do with Notts and anyway an overseas takeover of the club is expected to go through in the next few days.


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Bitton do look out of place there.

I see most of the Step 5 champions are either ex-Step 4, or from sizeable towns….Sholing, Chertsey, Chichester, Wantage, Ilkeston, Penistone, Daventry etc etc

Then there’s Bitton.

Would they be better throwing the title….if it looked likely that they might actually get it, rather than take promotion to Step 4?
Would they contemplate that or are Bitton eager to step up?

Despite their good season, they average just 67 at home games so far this season. Arguably clubs of this size should see Step 5 as their limit. But it is of course up to the individual clubs.

Then again, I’m not sure if fellow small village side Willand Rovers will look much better in the Step 4 projections.


At least Bitton have the comfort of knowing that there are several established Step 4 clubs right on their doorstep which has the potential to increase the gate (Mangotsfield, BMF, Paulton, Larkhall and, dare I say it, Melksham). Plus their ground is much further developed toward Grade D than Willand's.

I'd like to see Willand go up but with only a derby against Biddy (as Barum look like they're down) being the nearest, it is undoubtedly an increase in travelling. However they pulled in 800 for their last two Vase games...



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At step 5 would swapping Loughborough Uni & Long Eaton Utd for Lutterworth Town & Rugby Town be a better fit? Especially for the MFL Prem!


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Could be little Bitton at Step 4 then.

I’d like it to be Bridgwater Town but not sure they can bridge the gap


Bitton do look out of place there.

I see most of the Step 5 champions are either ex-Step 4, or from sizeable towns….Sholing, Chertsey, Chichester, Wantage, Ilkeston, Penistone, Daventry etc etc

Then there’s Bitton.


After winning 8 on the spin, Worksop Town have gone 2nd & are on the same points as Penistone. Their average gates are twice the size as the next club & it’s starting to look like the season of ‘return of the golden oldies’.


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With rumours circulating that Notts County could go into administration very soon and with points deduction be relegated for certain.

Does the National League accept clubs in Admin or do they have to start in NL North like Boston did about 15 years ago.

If Notts Co do get put in NL North then it surely would save one of them South East clubs being transferred to NL North.

And they are just rumours and nothing more. The financial problems at Paragon Interiors have nothing to do with Notts and anyway an overseas takeover of the club is expected to go through in the next few days.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Are these still just rumours?
I've just read that Notts County have been issued with a winding up order. Would this not affect membership of the NL?



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With rumours circulating that Notts County could go into administration very soon and with points deduction be relegated for certain.

Does the National League accept clubs in Admin or do they have to start in NL North like Boston did about 15 years ago.

If Notts Co do get put in NL North then it surely would save one of them South East clubs being transferred to NL North.

And they are just rumours and nothing more. The financial problems at Paragon Interiors have nothing to do with Notts and anyway an overseas takeover of the club is expected to go through in the next few days.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Are these still just rumours?
I've just read that Notts County have been issued with a winding up order. Would this not affect membership of the NL?


This is to do with HMRC and the "extremely aggressive approach" they are taking to an unpaid 200k bill and rejecting an offer to sort it within four weeks. Normally a route they take with clubs that have form for such things


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With rumours circulating that Notts County could go into administration very soon and with points deduction be relegated for certain.

Does the National League accept clubs in Admin or do they have to start in NL North like Boston did about 15 years ago.

If Notts Co do get put in NL North then it surely would save one of them South East clubs being transferred to NL North.

And they are just rumours and nothing more. The financial problems at Paragon Interiors have nothing to do with Notts and anyway an overseas takeover of the club is expected to go through in the next few days.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Are these still just rumours?
I've just read that Notts County have been issued with a winding up order. Would this not affect membership of the NL?


This is to do with HMRC and the "extremely aggressive approach" they are taking to an unpaid 200k bill and rejecting an offer to sort it within four weeks. Normally a route they take with clubs that have form for such things

I think this is the third (or 4th?) time in recent years they've had an unpaid tax bill. Both times it was paid off at the last minute, last time by Hardy I think



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THDrummer1
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In respect of step 6 relegations and step 7 promotions on the spreadsheet:


It is that projected that 11 step 6 sides will be relegated, all of which are bottom placed clubs; it is also shown that 7 new clubs could be placed at step 6 (alongside 25 promoted step 7 clubs) - I was under them impression that new clubs would only be placed in step 6 if vacancies arose.


Therefore; what I'm asking is - wouldn't more step 6 clubs be reprieved and lateral transfer take place rather than new clubs being 'promoted'?


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Shirehampton is reported to be pulling out of the Somerset County League Premier Division at the end of season 2018-19 and dropping into the Bristol Premier Combination.


leohoenig
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Shirehampton already have a team in the Bristol Premier Comb, (not top division).Would this be a case of folding the Somerset League side?



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pitch 63
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No - they would have a team in both divisions of the Bristol Prem Combination - assuming that the the reserve XI is not relegated to the Bristol & District League through finishing in the bottom two.

Thornbury Town is also believed to be looking at moving their reserve XI into a Bristol league from the Stroud & District League.


leohoenig
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AS far as I can see, no club has a team in both divisions of the Bristol Premier - so it is possible Shirehampton would be forced to drop a level.
I am no longer clear on the Glos Pyramid in the Bristol area, as it is a long time since I followed it.

Is the Bristol Premier the only Step 8/9 divisions?
I assume the Bristol & District sits below it, does the Suburban League still run?
The Downs, as ever, I assume sits to one side as a team wanting promotion from it has to move away



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pitch 63
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In answer to your questions -

- Shirehampton can have two sides in the Premier Comb, so the reserves would not be relegated to the District League; but the interesting things is that Shirehampton [like Mangotsfield Utd] is a Gloucestershire FA club that has been playing in the Somerset FA structure until now.

- The Premier Comb and Suburban Leagues stand on a par with one another and both can promote to the Gloucestershire County League, as can the Gloucestershire Northern Senior League

- The Downs League clubs seeking promotion have the option of joining the Premier Comb/District League or the Suburban League . What division they would join is dependent on their GFA Cup grading, ie a team at the top of the Downs League that is in the Senior Amateur Cup could join the Premier Comb or the Premier Divisions of the Suburban League.

For all its faults the Gloucestershire FA does have a fixed structure below Step 7 which normally functions very well, but Cribbs Reserves, currently sitting top of the Premier Division of the Premier Combination cannot get promoted to the Gloucestershire County League because of the rule introduced several years ago, thus blocking other clubs from going up lower down the structure.


leohoenig
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Thanks, so little change over the years
I am of the belief that Gloucestershire has one of the best developed structures below step 7 and other counties would do well to follow suit.
Having said that, I also believe the structures at this level should not be laid down by the FA, but should be decided by each county FA as suits the number of clubs and their geography



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Thanks, so little change over the years
I am of the belief that Gloucestershire has one of the best developed structures below step 7 and other counties would do well to follow suit.
Having said that, I also believe the structures at this level should not be laid down by the FA, but should be decided by each county FA as suits the number of clubs and their geography


I ENTIRELY AGREE


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Are you currently updating your projections? There’s a few blanks at step 5.


THDrummer1
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Just looking through the step 7 leagues where there is only 1 applicant and the following clubs may be struggling to obtain a top 5 place:

Whittlesey
Stafford
Ashville

Stockport Georgians from the Manchester Leagues appear to have very little chance.

As we know though "football is a funny old game"


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Just looking through the step 7 leagues where there is only 1 applicant and the following clubs may be struggling to obtain a top 5 place:

Whittlesey
Stafford
Ashville

Stockport Georgians from the Manchester Leagues appear to have very little chance.

As we know though "football is a funny old game"



I’m hopeful that the top two teams you mentioned will sneak in. The other two have little or no chance of making it.


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Apologies all. Yes I'm still in the process of changing things. I've been on holiday this week and I've attempted to edit stuff on my Google sheets app which has saved some stuff and unsaved others. I'll properly sort out both the spreadsheet & maps when I return home tonight.



Non League Projections - 2018/19: http://goo.gl/5UvkvE

Step 1: http://goo.gl/9QipfY
Step 2: http://goo.gl/VoE1oY
Step 3: http://goo.gl/Ru3jUk
Step 4: http://goo.gl/QHVmDA
Step 5: http://goo.gl/VrnrYg
Step 6: http://goo.gl/Mk86of


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Any ideas what happens if the number of leagues with clubs from level 7 available for promotion falls below 19? It is supposed to be no more than club up per league AND no reprieves for last placed level 6 clubs?


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Any ideas what happens if the number of leagues with clubs from level 7 available for promotion falls below 19? It is supposed to be no more than club up per league AND no reprieves for last placed level 6 clubs?



Only 1 club can be promoted per step 7 league. As for the last placed side being automatically relegated. I think it’ll be at the League Committees discretion.


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That scenario would allow for a few teams from teams not recognised as Step 7 to enter Step 6
The much vaunted Jersey side being one of these, while any Hellenic-2 teams would also have to wait for vacancies



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That scenario would allow for a few teams from teams not recognised as Step 7 to enter Step 6
The much vaunted Jersey side being one of these, while any Hellenic-2 teams would also have to wait for vacancies


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Although I think that too many reprieves have been handed out historically, I do think that step 6 clubs should be reprieved before new clubs are admitted. Why should they be able to 'short cut' step 7? Is it the case that reprieves are carried out before new non-step 7 clubs are accepted?

Thanks


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Any ideas what happens if the number of leagues with clubs from level 7 available for promotion falls below 19? It is supposed to be no more than club up per league AND no reprieves for last placed level 6 clubs?



Only 1 club can be promoted per step 7 league. As for the last placed side being automatically relegated. I think it’ll be at the League Committees discretion.


There are already 27 vacacies at step 6 with, possibly, more to come by the end of the season. As others have said there is no need for any relegation at all with pleny of room for the promotees from step 7.

But will the idiots on the LMC see it that way? After last years affair, where the LMC did not even follow their own declared policy, I very much doubt it.

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