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gresleyfcfan
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Mar 17, 2019, 1:11 PM

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With North Ferriby Utd being liquidated. As things stand, Stocksbridge PS will be reprieved at step 4. A 12th step 6 runner up will now be promoted & that currently is Thornaby.


No doubt Stocksbridge will now find a way to finish bottom Frown



They’ve got a bit of an advantage over the next reprievable club Greenwich Boro.The ppg are as follows: Stocksbridge PS 0.897 Greenwich Boro 0.828.
So unless Gresley can go on a run, it’s looking pretty good for you atm.


We're hoping to, travelling to Steels Tuesday is a huge match.


Rebel Yeller
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Having seen quite a bit of Middlesex League this season, yes they have 3 good teams and yes the rest aren't up to that much.


windydcfc
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Mar 17, 2019, 5:58 PM

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As has been discussed on the North Ferriby United thread. The headlines in the Nonleague Paper are that an application has been lodged with the FA for a new club to enter at step 5(the NCEL). This is the rule that allows this to happen:
found the rule:
6.3 (i) If a Club (whether a Members’ Club or a Company) is wound up, liquidated, or is removed from its League or withdraws from football competition (‘the Former Club’), and a new Club (‘the New Club’) is established which wishes to be placed within the NLS, it will be allowed to make an application only to join a League/ division at Step 5 of the NLS unless the Former Club was in either Step 4 or Step 5 when the event which caused it to cease its membership occurred in which case it must re-join the NLS at a minimum of two Steps below the level at which it was at the time the event occurred, or withdrew from football competition, whichever is lower. Where the Former Club was a member of Premier League or EFL then the Committee shall at its absolute discretion determine in which League the New Club shall be placed for the following Playing Season and will set out at its complete discretion the requirements to be met by the New Club.

In order for consideration to be given to the placement in the NLS of the New Club in the following Playing Season, an initial application must be received by the Committee by 1st March or within twenty-one days of the Former Club being wound up, liquidated, resigning or being removed from its League or withdrawing from football competition, if such date is later than 1st March.

The full application accompanied by all necessary documents including evidence of security of tenure having been granted to the New Club and affiliation to a County Football Association must be received by 31st March or within twenty-one days of the Former Club being wound up, liquidated, resigning or being removed from its League or withdrawing from football competition, if such date is later than 1st March. The application shall be copied to the League of which membership is being requested. The application will be determined by the Committee.

In considering any application, the Committee will set out at its sole discretion the requirements to be met by the New Club.

In the event of more than one application being received within twenty-one days of the Former Club being wound up, liquidated, resigning or being removed from its League or withdrawing from football competition, the Committee will consider at its discretion which application will be considered in accordance with this Regulation.

(ii) If a Club is removed from its League and wishes to remain in the NLS it shall apply to the Committee within five working days of it receiving written notification of its removal from its League. The Committee will consider such application and will place the Club in what it considers at its sole discretion to be the most appropriate League/division for the following Playing Season.

6.4 If a Club (whether a Members’ Club or a Company) ceases to be a member of its league and that Club (that is not a New Club as defined at 6.3 above) wishes to be placed within the NLS for the immediately following Playing Season, then unless otherwise determined by the Committee, it may be allowed to make an application to join a League/division below the most recent League/division of which the Club was a member.

In order for consideration to be given to the placement in the NLS by the Club in the immediately following Playing Season, an initial application must be received by the Committee in accordance with the procedures set out at 6.3 above. The application shall be copied to the League of which membership is being requested. The application will be determined by the Committee at its absolute discretion.

In considering any application, the Committee will set out at its sole discretion the requirements to be met by the Club in determining whether to approve the application.


Unicorn
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Mar 18, 2019, 6:31 AM

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Yes they can start again at step 5.
But it up to the FALC if they let them.


pokal02
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Mar 18, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Seems a bit unfair - yes they were at Step 3, but 100% certain to be relegated to Step 4 - so I would have them restarting 2 steps below that, ie Step 6 (NCEL1).


windydcfc
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Mar 18, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Unless Brandon Utd can get more people onboard(Committee members), then they will not be able to continue in the Northern League. They are fully aware of the 31st March deadline.


wazzafan
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Mar 19, 2019, 7:17 AM

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Finally all updated from the weekend.

I've now decided to just completely remove the prospect of Step 6 relegations at this time, & all step 6 divisions are at the 20 club limit. I realise this will be unlikely to happen & clubs will likely be relegated whilst new clubs will be promoted to replace them based on geography. But where and how is too much of a guessing game. With vacancies available at Step 6, even after no relegations taking place at Step 6, I see no reason why anyone should go down unless of course that club has already resigned or folded. It'll also save me time working out the PPG for Step 6 relegation Crazy

I'll include the inevitable issue of the new North Ferriby club when it's officially announced. The questions are whether their application to Step 5 takes precedent over a 2nd placed Step 6 promotion candidate is something I don't know. There place at Step 6 should precede any other 'new club' applicant.



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Step 4: http://goo.gl/QHVmDA
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windydcfc
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Mar 19, 2019, 9:46 AM

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My reading of the rules are that if North Ferriby are able to have a team accepted by the FA. Then they will have priority over any of the step 6 runners, that aren’t one of the 9 clubs automatically promoted.


pokal02
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Alphington, Teignmouth & St Martins have withdrawn their Step 6 applications according to the SWP Forum. They could be replaced by Dobwalls, Dartmouth & Torrington. My understanding is that if any of these fail the ground grading the league will run short of 20 (assuming Exmouth & Tavistock take promotion and Chard are not moved west).


BDA_85
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Mar 19, 2019, 11:10 AM

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Unless Brandon Utd can get more people onboard(Committee members), then they will not be able to continue in the Northern League. They are fully aware of the 31st March deadline.


What is the minimum number of committee members required? Can someone wear multiple hats? If not, they could put any family member as a committee member just to appease the FA.


kirby knitters
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Mar 19, 2019, 11:15 AM

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Unless Brandon Utd can get more people onboard(Committee members), then they will not be able to continue in the Northern League. They are fully aware of the 31st March deadline.


What is the minimum number of committee members required? Can someone wear multiple hats? If not, they could put any family member as a committee member just to appease the FA.

No committee is required to run a football club.


Sarumio
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Mar 19, 2019, 11:21 AM

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Alphington, Teignmouth & St Martins have withdrawn their Step 6 applications according to the SWP Forum. They could be replaced by Dobwalls, Dartmouth & Torrington. My understanding is that if any of these fail the ground grading the league will run short of 20 (assuming Exmouth & Tavistock take promotion and Chard are not moved west).


Dartmouth and Torrington?

So they will completely leapfrog/bypass Step 7?

This whole SWPL restructure is a joke. An unnecessary joke at that. I fear it will become even more of a joke/circus as the next few months pass by.


windydcfc
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Mar 19, 2019, 12:31 PM

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Unless Brandon Utd can get more people onboard(Committee members), then they will not be able to continue in the Northern League. They are fully aware of the 31st March deadline.


What is the minimum number of committee members required? Can someone wear multiple hats? If not, they could put any family member as a committee member just to appease the FA.



I believe that they’ve got an aging committee & the guy that used to finance them has left. They need fresh people to get involved with the club. They’re debt free & have their own ground. It’s a shame for a team that not many years ago won the EBAC NL1.


Mister TwoU
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Mar 19, 2019, 2:52 PM

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*NB* RG St. George & Lebeq United to merge in the summer and play as Bristol United in RGSG's Step5 place next season.



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Richard Rundle
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Mar 19, 2019, 3:13 PM

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*NB* RG St. George & Lebeq United to merge in the summer and play as Bristol United in RGSG's Step5 place next season.


Maybe. Maybe not. See pitch53's post in another thread - it's very early days yet.


Dazzla84
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Mar 19, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Sunderland West End are now mathematically guaranteed a top 5 finish in the Wearside League.

Due to Hebburn Town not being promoted out of NL1, their reserve sides (favourites to win the WL) cannot be promoted, leaving Sunderland West End as the next promotion applicant in line.



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petermiller36
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Alphington, Teignmouth & St Martins have withdrawn their Step 6 applications according to the SWP Forum. They could be replaced by Dobwalls, Dartmouth & Torrington. My understanding is that if any of these fail the ground grading the league will run short of 20 (assuming Exmouth & Tavistock take promotion and Chard are not moved west).


Dartmouth and Torrington?

So they will completely leapfrog/bypass Step 7?

This whole SWPL restructure is a joke. An unnecessary joke at that. I fear it will become even more of a joke/circus as the next few months pass by.


I've got it showing on a new tab on my document if want to take a look. Currently, if Exmouth and Tavistock go up, then there will be a space at Step 6 if Brixham, Torridgeside, St Dennis and Dobwalls do what is required to be accepted. If they don't then the two divisions will run short.

http://bit.ly/PPG1819



Steps 4-7 Relegation and Promotion document:
http://bit.ly/PPG1819


Richard Rundle
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I've got it showing on a new tab on my document if want to take a look. Currently, if Exmouth and Tavistock go up, then there will be a space at Step 6 if Brixham, Torridgeside, St Dennis and Dobwalls do what is required to be accepted. If they don't then the two divisions will run short.


That second "if" is a huge if. I reckon there's not a gnat in hell's chance both Exmouth Town and Tavistock will go up.


THDrummer1
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Mar 20, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Yes they can start again at step 5.
But it up to the FALC if they let them.


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I have total sympathy with North Ferriby supporters and the fact that their last couple of owners appear to be less than trustworthy, shall we say. From what I hear the monies owed by the club are far in excess of the circa £8,000 which forced them to be liquidated.

However, it seems wrong that they could 'reform' and take what would be essentially a one division relegation (they were certain to be at step 4 next season) and write off any liabilities; after all there is someone who should have received this money and will lose out.

If they reform this should be at step 7 in my humble opinion - why should a potential step 6 promotion winning club miss out?


Unicorn
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Mar 20, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Yes i agree but the rules state that the FALC can start them at Step 5 not that they will.
Also they would in effect just be treated as a relegated club so would not impact on any team that could be promoted.


Sarumio
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Yes i agree but the rules state that the FALC can start them at Step 5 not that they will.
Also they would in effect just be treated as a relegated club so would not impact on any team that could be promoted.


disagree - their placement at Step 5 would prevent an extra Step 6 club from being promoted.

You make it sound like they are taking a vacancy in a division that absolutely nobody else in the country wants to fill....


Unicorn
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Mar 20, 2019, 10:08 AM

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Yes i agree but the rules state that the FALC can start them at Step 5 not that they will.
Also they would in effect just be treated as a relegated club so would not impact on any team that could be promoted.


disagree - their placement at Step 5 would prevent an extra Step 6 club from being promoted.

You make it sound like they are taking a vacancy in a division that absolutely nobody else in the country wants to fill....


No i realise that other clubs will want it but if the FA decide to place them at step 5 that's the way they will see it.
But as i said there is no certainty that they will start them at step 5. Far from it.


shimtoan
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Mar 20, 2019, 11:06 AM

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Yes i agree but the rules state that the FALC can start them at Step 5 not that they will.
Also they would in effect just be treated as a relegated club so would not impact on any team that could be promoted.


disagree - their placement at Step 5 would prevent an extra Step 6 club from being promoted.

You make it sound like they are taking a vacancy in a division that absolutely nobody else in the country wants to fill....


No i realise that other clubs will want it but if the FA decide to place them at step 5 that's the way they will see it.
But as i said there is no certainty that they will start them at step 5. Far from it.

whether they'd start at Step 5 or Step 6, no FA Cup for them



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Deaf Leopard
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Mar 22, 2019, 12:55 AM

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At the League meeting the other day; we were told White Ensign are planning to groundshare at Great Wakering next season.

AFC Sudbury Res also said they have requested being transferred to the Eastern Senior League South.


footylover
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Mar 22, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Brandon Utd will not be folding from what i was told when speaking to a club official last week. They have a couple of options they are exploring at the min which hopefully will see them get sorted. He was as positive as he is enthusiastic that Brandon are going nowhere



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