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Just read on the Mergers & Closures thread on General Discussion that Oadby Town have resigned from the UCL..................yet another vacancy at step 5/6



This means that 12 runners up at step 6 will now be promoted. The team currently in 12th is Thornaby & I’m sure this would be a relief for the FA, NL & any club that faced being laterally transferred from the NCEL Prem. I take it that Billingham Town, Thornaby & Pickering Town will be the 3 clubs added to the NL1. Obviously this could easily change though.

Dont take it that Thornaby will be runners up. They have the better run in of them and Billingham. I fully expect Thornaby to be crowned champions



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I think there’s going to be a link between any relegations from step 6 & the number of applicants from step 7. I could seriously see the only relegations happening in the NCEL & EMCL. This is just my gut feelings, looking at previous seasons & what Laurence Jones from the FA has said.
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This is what causes my continuing confusion. I appreciate that it is your gut feeling which is telling you that a maximum of 4 step 6 clubs will be relegated and these will be from the NCEL1 and EMCL1.

For arguments sake let’s pretend that the season has now finished:

The 2 teams in the NCEL1 relegation places (19th and 20th) each have ppg of approximately 0.75 & 0.70; the 2 teams in the relegation places in the EMCL1 (19th and 20th) each have ppg of approximately 0.35 and 0.30.

Numerous clubs in the relegation places throughout the various step 6 leagues have a lot worse ppg than those in the NCEL1.

IF only 4 step 6 clubs were to be relegated and considering the FALC regulations mentioned previously by Paul66 (PPG):

Would the 4 clubs with the worst ppg at step 6 no matter where they are located be relegated, or would the bottom 2 in the NCEL1 and the EMCL1 be relegated - just because they are located in a geographical ‘pinch point’?

Thanks in advance.



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I think there’s going to be a link between any relegations from step 6 & the number of applicants from step 7. I could seriously see the only relegations happening in the NCEL & EMCL. This is just my gut feelings, looking at previous seasons & what Laurence Jones from the FA has said.



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It's looking likely that the clubs finishing in the bottom 2 of the NCEL1 will have amongst the best PPG in the country.

We've ascertained previously that the regulations are "At the end of the Regular Playing Season the Clubs in the bottom two positions of each of the nineteen Step 6 divisions will be liable to relegation" and "No more than 38 Clubs will be promoted from Step 7." "Where the eligible Clubs count does not reach 38 in number, reprieves of Step 6 Clubs shall come into effect on a points per match basis."

Given this, it looks likely that the NCEL1 sides will be amongst the most likely to be reprieved if your "gut feeling" is right, due to the lack of applicants from step 7


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As I’ve mentioned on another thread that North Ferriby United haven’t officially told the NPL that they’ve been liquidated. The Nonleague Paper has another article about the situation & that Les Hare has held meetings with the FA & local leagues. He is motivated to bring the club back & things are progressing well.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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As I’ve mentioned on another thread that North Ferriby United haven’t officially told the NPL that they’ve been liquidated. The Nonleague Paper has another article about the situation & that Les Hare has held meetings with the FA & local leagues. He is motivated to bring the club back & things are progressing well.


They have now!

http://www.evostikleague.co.uk/...ferriby-united-56076



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I've spent a lot of today going through my non-league document to try and get it all correct for the run in.

*Steps 3-4 I'm happy that that's all correct (although of course ridiculous thanks to the FA).
*Steps 4-5 is the probably the easiest page so should be all be correct.
*Steps 5-6 I'm confident is correct but the area of potential error is the reprieves from Step 5 due to clubs dropping out during the season.
*Steps 6-7 is a chuffing nightmare. Any help with the details in this one would be appreciated. As I see it, there could potentially be no relegation from Step 6 due to the amount of spaces at that level next season. That would still leave spaces, hence why I'm showing a "second best PPG" table at Step 7, in case the FA break their own rules.
*Step 7 Applicants - as always, any ground grading news would be appreciated!

If you wonderfully knowledgeable people could have a look at point out any errors or thoughts on it then that would be great. The document is getting thousands of hits mostly through Twitter so it would be helpful for it to be as accurate as possible.

http://bit.ly/PPG1819


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Great work on the spreadsheet; especially re step 6 relegations as this is where my confusion sets in – some saying clubs will be relegated due to more step 7 applicants in their geographical area, some saying PPG will be the determining factor.
Re step 7 applicants; it looks like Stockport Georgians (Manchester Lge) won’t make top 5 and that Ashville (West Cheshire Lge) and Whittlesey (Peterborough Lge) may struggle to get top 5; therefore there may be a maximum of 24 teams promoted from step 7.


windydcfc
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I've spent a lot of today going through my non-league document to try and get it all correct for the run in.

*Steps 3-4 I'm happy that that's all correct (although of course ridiculous thanks to the FA).
*Steps 4-5 is the probably the easiest page so should be all be correct.
*Steps 5-6 I'm confident is correct but the area of potential error is the reprieves from Step 5 due to clubs dropping out during the season.
*Steps 6-7 is a chuffing nightmare. Any help with the details in this one would be appreciated. As I see it, there could potentially be no relegation from Step 6 due to the amount of spaces at that level next season. That would still leave spaces, hence why I'm showing a "second best PPG" table at Step 7, in case the FA break their own rules.
*Step 7 Applicants - as always, any ground grading news would be appreciated!

If you wonderfully knowledgeable people could have a look at point out any errors or thoughts on it then that would be great. The document is getting thousands of hits mostly through Twitter so it would be helpful for it to be as accurate as possible.

http://bit.ly/PPG1819


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Great work on the spreadsheet; especially re step 6 relegations as this is where my confusion sets in – some saying clubs will be relegated due to more step 7 applicants in their geographical area, some saying PPG will be the determining factor.
Re step 7 applicants; it looks like Stockport Georgians (Manchester Lge) won’t make top 5 and that Ashville (West Cheshire Lge) and Whittlesey (Peterborough Lge) may struggle to get top 5; therefore there may be a maximum of 24 teams promoted from step 7.



Whittlesey have done really well lately. Looking at their remaining games, the away game against Stamford looks crucial.
In the Hampshire Premier League, Infinity have told me that it’ll be touch & go as to whether they’ll pass the ground grading. Does anyone have any knowledge about Fleetlands ground grading situation?



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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windydcfc
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I have heard a rumour that Rugby Borough have withdrawn their application because their ground will fail the ground grading inspection. Can any of the Leicestershire lot confirm or otherwise this rumour?



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Can’t see how Infinity will pass ground-grading unless they are moving to a new facility because Knowle Village isn’t suitable. Believe Fleetlands withdrew their application and Stockbridge are likely to finish 8th/9th so would be surprised if any went up to Wessex from Hants Prem. Although it depends how desperate they are to make Div 1 up to 20 teams.


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I've spent a lot of today going through my non-league document to try and get it all correct for the run in.

*Steps 3-4 I'm happy that that's all correct (although of course ridiculous thanks to the FA).
*Steps 4-5 is the probably the easiest page so should be all be correct.
*Steps 5-6 I'm confident is correct but the area of potential error is the reprieves from Step 5 due to clubs dropping out during the season.
*Steps 6-7 is a chuffing nightmare. Any help with the details in this one would be appreciated. As I see it, there could potentially be no relegation from Step 6 due to the amount of spaces at that level next season. That would still leave spaces, hence why I'm showing a "second best PPG" table at Step 7, in case the FA break their own rules.
*Step 7 Applicants - as always, any ground grading news would be appreciated!

If you wonderfully knowledgeable people could have a look at point out any errors or thoughts on it then that would be great. The document is getting thousands of hits mostly through Twitter so it would be helpful for it to be as accurate as possible.

http://bit.ly/PPG1819


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Great work on the spreadsheet; especially re step 6 relegations as this is where my confusion sets in – some saying clubs will be relegated due to more step 7 applicants in their geographical area, some saying PPG will be the determining factor.
Re step 7 applicants; it looks like Stockport Georgians (Manchester Lge) won’t make top 5 and that Ashville (West Cheshire Lge) and Whittlesey (Peterborough Lge) may struggle to get top 5; therefore there may be a maximum of 24 teams promoted from step 7.


Thank you. The lack of clarity between steps 6 and 7 is worrying. But yes, I have it as 24 teams going up from Step 7, with the possibility of no clubs being relegated from Step 6.



Steps 4-7 Relegation and Promotion document:
http://bit.ly/PPG1819


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I've updated the sheets today and currently have the following as being guaranteed a top 5 promotion and will be promoted IF they have the ground grading:

* Sheringham
* Roffey
* Golcar United

Anyone know anything regarding their grounds?



Steps 4-7 Relegation and Promotion document:
http://bit.ly/PPG1819


windydcfc
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I've updated the sheets today and currently have the following as being guaranteed a top 5 promotion and will be promoted IF they have the ground grading:

* Sheringham
* Roffey
* Golcar United

Anyone know anything regarding their grounds?



Sunderland West End groundshare at a suitable ground & have guaranteed a top 5 place. They are the only team that can go up, because Hebburn Res were reliant on the 1st team also being promoted.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


petermiller36
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Indeed they are, but they could still finish outside the top 5. Hebburn Town Reserves, Wolviston, Harton & Westoe, Silksworth C W could all finish above then.



Steps 4-7 Relegation and Promotion document:
http://bit.ly/PPG1819


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I've updated the sheets today and currently have the following as being guaranteed a top 5 promotion and will be promoted IF they have the ground grading:

* Sheringham
* Roffey
* Golcar United

Anyone know anything regarding their grounds?


When I saw Jarvis Brook v Roffey in January the programme reported that Roffey had recently obtained planning permission for floodlights and a stand. Assuming the funding is in place to complete this work then, from what I recall of the ground when I visited a couple of years ago, they should comfortably make the grade.

Visited Sheringham a few years ago and would be surprised if it fell short though I've heard nothing contemporary on that.


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Indeed they are, but they could still finish outside the top 5. Hebburn Town Reserves, Wolviston, Harton & Westoe, Silksworth C W could all finish above then.



I believe 2 of those teams are playing each other & in doing so can’t both achieve maximum points which could overtake West End



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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I've spent a lot of today going through my non-league document to try and get it all correct for the run in.

*Steps 3-4 I'm happy that that's all correct (although of course ridiculous thanks to the FA).
*Steps 4-5 is the probably the easiest page so should be all be correct.
*Steps 5-6 I'm confident is correct but the area of potential error is the reprieves from Step 5 due to clubs dropping out during the season.
*Steps 6-7 is a chuffing nightmare. Any help with the details in this one would be appreciated. As I see it, there could potentially be no relegation from Step 6 due to the amount of spaces at that level next season. That would still leave spaces, hence why I'm showing a "second best PPG" table at Step 7, in case the FA break their own rules.
*Step 7 Applicants - as always, any ground grading news would be appreciated!

If you wonderfully knowledgeable people could have a look at point out any errors or thoughts on it then that would be great. The document is getting thousands of hits mostly through Twitter so it would be helpful for it to be as accurate as possible.

http://bit.ly/PPG1819


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Great work on the spreadsheet; especially re step 6 relegations as this is where my confusion sets in – some saying clubs will be relegated due to more step 7 applicants in their geographical area, some saying PPG will be the determining factor.
Re step 7 applicants; it looks like Stockport Georgians (Manchester Lge) won’t make top 5 and that Ashville (West Cheshire Lge) and Whittlesey (Peterborough Lge) may struggle to get top 5; therefore there may be a maximum of 24 teams promoted from step 7.


Thank you. The lack of clarity between steps 6 and 7 is worrying. But yes, I have it as 24 teams going up from Step 7, with the possibility of no clubs being relegated from Step 6.
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I'm attempting to put together my own predictions as part of a 'Sports Administration' module at uni and I've been lucky enough Crazy to have been allocated the step 6 relegation / step 7 promotion aspect (an impossible job).

We're in agreement that it looks likely that approximately 24 step 7 clubs will be promoted - what would be your best guess as to how many step 6 clubs will get relegated? I'm of the opinion that it'll be about 10-12 but this has been plucked out of thin air; your PPG section on this is a massive help.

Additionally It appears that there are 7 'non-step 7' applicants - how does this work? Can they only be accepted once step 6 reprieves have taken place to fill any shortfalls?

Any help would be greatly accepted - I do appreciate that it's the FALC so anything could happen.



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It appears that there are 7 'non-step 7' applicants - how does this work? Can they only be accepted once step 6 reprieves have taken place to fill any shortfalls?

Any help would be greatly accepted - I do appreciate that it's the FALC so anything could happen.



Believe it or not the FA has devised a set of regulations that govern what'll happen. They've even made them public. A brief look at them quickly answers your question, mainly this wording:
"a League may seek approval from the Committee to receive a club or team not currently in membership of a League within the NLS provided that there is: (a) exceptional circumstances, (b) a vacancy within its constitution, (c) the club meets the entry criteria and (d) promotion and relegation issues have been satisfied."
I don't know what constitutes "exceptional circumstances" but presumably both Jersey Bulls and Bracknell ressies satisfy them as, iirc, the Combined Counties have supported both their applications.


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Indeed they are, but they could still finish outside the top 5. Hebburn Town Reserves, Wolviston, Harton & Westoe, Silksworth C W could all finish above then.



I believe 2 of those teams are playing each other & in doing so can’t both achieve maximum points which could overtake West End


Not from what I can see. So until it's impossible for Sunderland to finish outside the top 5, I will continue to show them as not being promoted. Of course it's only a matter of time.



Steps 4-7 Relegation and Promotion document:
http://bit.ly/PPG1819


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I've spent a lot of today going through my non-league document to try and get it all correct for the run in.

*Steps 3-4 I'm happy that that's all correct (although of course ridiculous thanks to the FA).
*Steps 4-5 is the probably the easiest page so should be all be correct.
*Steps 5-6 I'm confident is correct but the area of potential error is the reprieves from Step 5 due to clubs dropping out during the season.
*Steps 6-7 is a chuffing nightmare. Any help with the details in this one would be appreciated. As I see it, there could potentially be no relegation from Step 6 due to the amount of spaces at that level next season. That would still leave spaces, hence why I'm showing a "second best PPG" table at Step 7, in case the FA break their own rules.
*Step 7 Applicants - as always, any ground grading news would be appreciated!

If you wonderfully knowledgeable people could have a look at point out any errors or thoughts on it then that would be great. The document is getting thousands of hits mostly through Twitter so it would be helpful for it to be as accurate as possible.

http://bit.ly/PPG1819


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Great work on the spreadsheet; especially re step 6 relegations as this is where my confusion sets in – some saying clubs will be relegated due to more step 7 applicants in their geographical area, some saying PPG will be the determining factor.
Re step 7 applicants; it looks like Stockport Georgians (Manchester Lge) won’t make top 5 and that Ashville (West Cheshire Lge) and Whittlesey (Peterborough Lge) may struggle to get top 5; therefore there may be a maximum of 24 teams promoted from step 7.


Thank you. The lack of clarity between steps 6 and 7 is worrying. But yes, I have it as 24 teams going up from Step 7, with the possibility of no clubs being relegated from Step 6.
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I'm attempting to put together my own predictions as part of a 'Sports Administration' module at uni and I've been lucky enough Crazy to have been allocated the step 6 relegation / step 7 promotion aspect (an impossible job).

We're in agreement that it looks likely that approximately 24 step 7 clubs will be promoted - what would be your best guess as to how many step 6 clubs will get relegated? I'm of the opinion that it'll be about 10-12 but this has been plucked out of thin air; your PPG section on this is a massive help.

Additionally It appears that there are 7 'non-step 7' applicants - how does this work? Can they only be accepted once step 6 reprieves have taken place to fill any shortfalls?

Any help would be greatly accepted - I do appreciate that it's the FALC so anything could happen.



Good luck with the module - not as easy one!

As Paulh66 has said, there are rules for new applicants. It seems to be me that there will be space, so if they tick the boxes then they'll be in. IF the FA want a full Step 6 then it's quite possible no sides will be relegated. The FA have left the door wide open to suit their own needs between steps 6 and 7, but the wording of the rules for promotion from Step 7 means that in theory only one side from each division can go up. That could well mean a team has an outstanding record and won't go up, but a side with just 3 points at Step 6 might stay up.



Steps 4-7 Relegation and Promotion document:
http://bit.ly/PPG1819


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I've spent a lot of today going through my non-league document to try and get it all correct for the run in.

*Steps 3-4 I'm happy that that's all correct (although of course ridiculous thanks to the FA).
*Steps 4-5 is the probably the easiest page so should be all be correct.
*Steps 5-6 I'm confident is correct but the area of potential error is the reprieves from Step 5 due to clubs dropping out during the season.
*Steps 6-7 is a chuffing nightmare. Any help with the details in this one would be appreciated. As I see it, there could potentially be no relegation from Step 6 due to the amount of spaces at that level next season. That would still leave spaces, hence why I'm showing a "second best PPG" table at Step 7, in case the FA break their own rules.
*Step 7 Applicants - as always, any ground grading news would be appreciated!

If you wonderfully knowledgeable people could have a look at point out any errors or thoughts on it then that would be great. The document is getting thousands of hits mostly through Twitter so it would be helpful for it to be as accurate as possible.

http://bit.ly/PPG1819


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Great work on the spreadsheet; especially re step 6 relegations as this is where my confusion sets in – some saying clubs will be relegated due to more step 7 applicants in their geographical area, some saying PPG will be the determining factor.
Re step 7 applicants; it looks like Stockport Georgians (Manchester Lge) won’t make top 5 and that Ashville (West Cheshire Lge) and Whittlesey (Peterborough Lge) may struggle to get top 5; therefore there may be a maximum of 24 teams promoted from step 7.


Thank you. The lack of clarity between steps 6 and 7 is worrying. But yes, I have it as 24 teams going up from Step 7, with the possibility of no clubs being relegated from Step 6.
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I'm attempting to put together my own predictions as part of a 'Sports Administration' module at uni and I've been lucky enough Crazy to have been allocated the step 6 relegation / step 7 promotion aspect (an impossible job).

We're in agreement that it looks likely that approximately 24 step 7 clubs will be promoted - what would be your best guess as to how many step 6 clubs will get relegated? I'm of the opinion that it'll be about 10-12 but this has been plucked out of thin air; your PPG section on this is a massive help.

Additionally It appears that there are 7 'non-step 7' applicants - how does this work? Can they only be accepted once step 6 reprieves have taken place to fill any shortfalls?

Any help would be greatly accepted - I do appreciate that it's the FALC so anything could happen.



Good luck with the module - not as easy one!

As Paulh66 has said, there are rules for new applicants. It seems to be me that there will be space, so if they tick the boxes then they'll be in. IF the FA want a full Step 6 then it's quite possible no sides will be relegated. The FA have left the door wide open to suit their own needs between steps 6 and 7, but the wording of the rules for promotion from Step 7 means that in theory only one side from each division can go up. That could well mean a team has an outstanding record and won't go up, but a side with just 3 points at Step 6 might stay up.
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I really appreciate your help with this, together with Paul66, Windy, Wazza etc. – who’d have thought that spreadsheets would be so vital in football.

The one positive with being landed with the step 6 relegations/step 7 promotions aspect is that no-one seems to know what’s going on, so how can I be wrong.

I think I’m going to work on the projection that between 5 and 10 step 6 clubs will be relegated on a “national pooling PPG” system; the reprieves table on the spreadsheet is a god send.

Cheers all.

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Indeed they are, but they could still finish outside the top 5. Hebburn Town Reserves, Wolviston, Harton & Westoe, Silksworth C W could all finish above then.


Hi, may I point out that the obvious, that is - that you have only mentioned 4 clubs that can overtake Sunderland West End!

Surely 5 teams would need to be able to overtake them in order for them not to have guaranteed a Top 5 place already....

Or am I missing something?


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Indeed they are, but they could still finish outside the top 5. Hebburn Town Reserves, Wolviston, Harton & Westoe, Silksworth C W could all finish above then.


Hi, may I point out that the obvious, that is - that you have only mentioned 4 clubs that can overtake Sunderland West End!

Surely 5 teams would need to be able to overtake them in order for them not to have guaranteed a Top 5 place already....

Or am I missing something?


You are absolutely right! Pirate What an idiot! Thanks.



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Indeed they are, but they could still finish outside the top 5. Hebburn Town Reserves, Wolviston, Harton & Westoe, Silksworth C W could all finish above then.


Hi, may I point out that the obvious, that is - that you have only mentioned 4 clubs that can overtake Sunderland West End!

Surely 5 teams would need to be able to overtake them in order for them not to have guaranteed a Top 5 place already....

Or am I missing something?


You are absolutely right! Pirate What an idiot! Thanks.



Marlow Utd, Buckhurst Hill & Newcastle Uni have all achieved a top 5 finish. Bovingdon have also achieved this & can’t be caught by the only other applicant.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Retford FC from the CMLN have tweeted that they have passed the ground grading inspection



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Retford FC from the CMLN have tweeted that they have passed the ground grading inspection


Is it now a case of them finishing in the top 5 to be assured of playing step 6 next season? Mathematically the lowest they can finish is 3rd so is it a foregone conclusion (barring points deductions!!!)?

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