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windydcfc
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Retford FC from the CMLN have tweeted that they have passed the ground grading inspection


Is it now a case of them finishing in the top 5 to be assured of playing step 6 next season? Mathematically the lowest they can finish is 3rd so is it a foregone conclusion (barring points deductions!!!)?



Clay Cross Town also applied & have an outside chance of winning the league.


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Retford FC from the CMLN have tweeted that they have passed the ground grading inspection


Is it now a case of them finishing in the top 5 to be assured of playing step 6 next season? Mathematically the lowest they can finish is 3rd so is it a foregone conclusion (barring points deductions!!!)?


No. Clay Cross Town and Retford United both applied and have the ground grading. Clay Cross can still finish above Retford, although it's unlikely. FA regulations state only one side from each division can go up.



Steps 4-7 Relegation and Promotion document:
http://bit.ly/PPG1819


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Retford FC from the CMLN have tweeted that they have passed the ground grading inspection


Is it now a case of them finishing in the top 5 to be assured of playing step 6 next season? Mathematically the lowest they can finish is 3rd so is it a foregone conclusion (barring points deductions!!!)?


No. Clay Cross Town and Retford United both applied and have the ground grading. Clay Cross can still finish above Retford, although it's unlikely. FA regulations state only one side from each division can go up.



Buckhurst Hill will not pass the ground grading. They can’t finish the developments until the end of June. They need to move the pitch around, rail it off & then erect the stand. But the question has got to be asked, if those clubs promoted into the ECL1S last season were given 3 years grace. Can Buckhurst be allowed 2 months(especially for that league)?


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Berkhamsted (SL1C) confirmed on BBC 3CR last night that they passed a ground grading last week and are now graded D.

Should they make it into the play-offs, win the play-offs AND have a good enough PPG then they have the ground grading to be promoted without any further improvements required.


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Retford FC from the CMLN have tweeted that they have passed the ground grading inspection


Is it now a case of them finishing in the top 5 to be assured of playing step 6 next season? Mathematically the lowest they can finish is 3rd so is it a foregone conclusion (barring points deductions!!!)?


No. Clay Cross Town and Retford United both applied and have the ground grading. Clay Cross can still finish above Retford, although it's unlikely. FA regulations state only one side from each division can go up.


Going off piste here but what is the point of Retford FC? Why were they formed and why do they exist? Why does the small town of Retford need two clubs at this level?

I know they emerged as some kind of split from Retford United? They were the reserves that then separated and became their own club with their own ground?

But I don’t just don’t see the point in them. Retford United were extremely unlucky to be relegated to Step 7 last season, and have been very competitive this season, and their promotion application shows they have the ambition and desire to move back up to the NCEL as soon as possible.

So again, what is the point in Retford, other than to divide the small footballing fanbase in this small market town.


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Hi everyone.

I'm attempting to progress this project I'm doing at uni and just need to gauge opinion. I appreciate this is guess work but..........

How many clubs do we predict will be relegated from step 6 across the system?

Thanks in advance.


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Retford FC from the CMLN have tweeted that they have passed the ground grading inspection


Is it now a case of them finishing in the top 5 to be assured of playing step 6 next season? Mathematically the lowest they can finish is 3rd so is it a foregone conclusion (barring points deductions!!!)?


No. Clay Cross Town and Retford United both applied and have the ground grading. Clay Cross can still finish above Retford, although it's unlikely. FA regulations state only one side from each division can go up.


Going off piste here but what is the point of Retford FC? Why were they formed and why do they exist? Why does the small town of Retford need two clubs at this level?

I know they emerged as some kind of split from Retford United? They were the reserves that then separated and became their own club with their own ground?

But I don’t just don’t see the point in them. Retford United were extremely unlucky to be relegated to Step 7 last season, and have been very competitive this season, and their promotion application shows they have the ambition and desire to move back up to the NCEL as soon as possible.

So again, what is the point in Retford, other than to divide the small footballing fanbase in this small market town.



I think that's very harsh on Retford FC to be honest. I think the attendances at the derbies this season has shown that there's an appetite for two teams and the rivalry has been fierce at times.


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Infinity have failed the ground grading


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Retford FC from the CMLN have tweeted that they have passed the ground grading inspection


Is it now a case of them finishing in the top 5 to be assured of playing step 6 next season? Mathematically the lowest they can finish is 3rd so is it a foregone conclusion (barring points deductions!!!)?


No. Clay Cross Town and Retford United both applied and have the ground grading. Clay Cross can still finish above Retford, although it's unlikely. FA regulations state only one side from each division can go up.


Going off piste here but what is the point of Retford FC? Why were they formed and why do they exist? Why does the small town of Retford need two clubs at this level?

I know they emerged as some kind of split from Retford United? They were the reserves that then separated and became their own club with their own ground?

But I don’t just don’t see the point in them. Retford United were extremely unlucky to be relegated to Step 7 last season, and have been very competitive this season, and their promotion application shows they have the ambition and desire to move back up to the NCEL as soon as possible.

So again, what is the point in Retford, other than to divide the small footballing fanbase in this small market town.



I think that's very harsh on Retford FC to be honest. I think the attendances at the derbies this season has shown that there's an appetite for two teams and the rivalry has been fierce at times.


And their ground is right alongside the East Coast Main Line so next season the new Asumas will be a sight to behold as they fly by. Not footballing reason I know but I’m sure there are many on this board who have an interest in both.


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Been told by someone 'in the know' (a bloke at uni) that the FALC have started the restructure meetings today. A lot of stuff to go through so will be a lengthy process.


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Hi everyone.

I'm attempting to progress this project I'm doing at uni and just need to gauge opinion. I appreciate this is guess work but..........

How many clubs do we predict will be relegated from step 6 across the system?

Thanks in advance.


I'll give my answer in two:

Morally, fairly, logically, sensibly, appropriately and justifiably there should be NO relegations from Step 6 this season*

The ONLY reason there should be relegations this season is if the Hellenic League scrap one of their two Step 6 divisions which looks highly unlikely.

But the FA and the leagues committee, as they showed last year, aren't any of the above, nor are they run by the brightest of sparks and so expect relegations!

In summary, if the FALC do what Wazza is predicting - that is filling up the Hellenic League with the most southerly WMRL sides, thus opening up huge numbers of vacancies in the West Midlands area for all the league geographically north of it to overspiil into then there should be no relegations as there's room for all.

If they leave the Hellenic twins threadbare yet again with 14-16 sides and move no one laterally into them then relegations will happen in any league north of the West Midlands Regional League's territory, where applicants from below oust Step 6 sides in relegation places that aren't being saved by "The WMRL Mass Transfer".

I do not expect any club below the WMRL's territory to be relegated from Step 6.


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Hi everyone.

I'm attempting to progress this project I'm doing at uni and just need to gauge opinion. I appreciate this is guess work but..........

How many clubs do we predict will be relegated from step 6 across the system?

Thanks in advance.


I'll give my answer in two:

Morally, fairly, logically, sensibly, appropriately and justifiably there should be NO relegations from Step 6 this season*

The ONLY reason there should be relegations this season is if the Hellenic League scrap one of their two Step 6 divisions which looks highly unlikely.

But the FA and the leagues committee, as they showed last year, aren't any of the above, nor are they run by the brightest of sparks and so expect relegations!

In summary, if the FALC do what Wazza is predicting - that is filling up the Hellenic League with the most southerly WMRL sides, thus opening up huge numbers of vacancies in the West Midlands area for all the league geographically north of it to overspiil into then there should be no relegations as there's room for all.

If they leave the Hellenic twins threadbare yet again with 14-16 sides and move no one laterally into them then relegations will happen in any league north of the West Midlands Regional League's territory, where applicants from below oust Step 6 sides in relegation places that aren't being saved by "The WMRL Mass Transfer".

I do not expect any club below the WMRL's territory to be relegated from Step 6.


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Thank's for the response, much appreciated.


The bit I'm still confused about is where you state "relegations will happen in any league north of the West Midlands Regional League's territory" - how can this happen when the FALC regulations state that step 6 reprieves will be on a PPG basis; they don't mention geography - isn't this on a nationwide basis with lateral transfers happening to 'even up' leagues and reduce travelling? How can one club survive with a PPG of 0.15 but one could be relegated with a PPG of 0.9 due to geography.


Cheers


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Hi everyone.

I'm attempting to progress this project I'm doing at uni and just need to gauge opinion. I appreciate this is guess work but..........

How many clubs do we predict will be relegated from step 6 across the system?

Thanks in advance.


I'll give my answer in two:

Morally, fairly, logically, sensibly, appropriately and justifiably there should be NO relegations from Step 6 this season*

The ONLY reason there should be relegations this season is if the Hellenic League scrap one of their two Step 6 divisions which looks highly unlikely.

But the FA and the leagues committee, as they showed last year, aren't any of the above, nor are they run by the brightest of sparks and so expect relegations!

In summary, if the FALC do what Wazza is predicting - that is filling up the Hellenic League with the most southerly WMRL sides, thus opening up huge numbers of vacancies in the West Midlands area for all the league geographically north of it to overspiil into then there should be no relegations as there's room for all.

If they leave the Hellenic twins threadbare yet again with 14-16 sides and move no one laterally into them then relegations will happen in any league north of the West Midlands Regional League's territory, where applicants from below oust Step 6 sides in relegation places that aren't being saved by "The WMRL Mass Transfer".

I do not expect any club below the WMRL's territory to be relegated from Step 6.


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Thank's for the response, much appreciated.


The bit I'm still confused about is where you state "relegations will happen in any league north of the West Midlands Regional League's territory" - how can this happen when the FALC regulations state that step 6 reprieves will be on a PPG basis; they don't mention geography - isn't this on a nationwide basis with lateral transfers happening to 'even up' leagues and reduce travelling? How can one club survive with a PPG of 0.15 but one could be relegated with a PPG of 0.9 due to geography.


Cheers


The FA's so called rules mean as much to me as they do themselves.

Tytherington Rocks survived at Step 6 last season, despite not winning a game. Stafford Town gained over 40 points, and finished 3rd from bottom of their Step 6 division and were sent down to Step 7, despite believing they'd finished outside of the relegation zone!!

This was a clear case of geographical bias.

As I said - everything hinges on the Herefordshire & Worcestershire club en masse being allowed (the Herefordshire clubs want it) and pushed (the Worcs clubs may be persuaded if the former are allowed their way) into the Hellenic League.

IF that doesn't happen then there is absolutely no point to relegate the bottom clubs in the Hellenic, regardless of what their own written down words instruct them to do - they simply won't do it!

The Wessex is one short, the CoCo is one short, the SCEL two short, the Southern Combo 3 short (no one is currently in any danger of dropping down from Step 4 in the latter either!)

There's no applicants to the Wessex or Western that can go up. The Southern Combo has just 1, the SCEL just 1.

As mentioned before, the barrier between north and south is the WMRL. The gates were locked last year, despite the Herefordshire clubs applying en masse to switch to the Hellenic. The Southern half is thin on the ground to replace lost clubs or to get Step 7 clubs to apply, with the correct grading. The northern half is bursting at the seems and needs the Herefordshire and Worcestershire clubs to be allowed to move into the Hellenic. That would free up about 8 places, allowing a domino affect lateral transfer scenario to unfold amongst all the leagues above the WMRL (the ML, EMCL, NWCL N&S divisions, NCEL, EMCL and lastly Northern).

The Hellenic has lost its battle to retain its current footprint, and the FA need to come to terms with that fact! The key for the clubs in the bottom 2 in the northern step 6 divisions lies with the FA's views on the Herefordshire and Worcestershire clubs this summer!


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Because that's the point of the quote function - if you copied and pasted then added your own words it'd just all merge into one and you'd lose track of whose words are whose. I agree, though, there's often no need to re-quote whole swathes of text time after time.


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Hi everyone.

I'm attempting to progress this project I'm doing at uni and just need to gauge opinion. I appreciate this is guess work but..........

How many clubs do we predict will be relegated from step 6 across the system?

Thanks in advance.


I'll give my answer in two:

Morally, fairly, logically, sensibly, appropriately and justifiably there should be NO relegations from Step 6 this season*

The ONLY reason there should be relegations this season is if the Hellenic League scrap one of their two Step 6 divisions which looks highly unlikely.

But the FA and the leagues committee, as they showed last year, aren't any of the above, nor are they run by the brightest of sparks and so expect relegations!

In summary, if the FALC do what Wazza is predicting - that is filling up the Hellenic League with the most southerly WMRL sides, thus opening up huge numbers of vacancies in the West Midlands area for all the league geographically north of it to overspiil into then there should be no relegations as there's room for all.

If they leave the Hellenic twins threadbare yet again with 14-16 sides and move no one laterally into them then relegations will happen in any league north of the West Midlands Regional League's territory, where applicants from below oust Step 6 sides in relegation places that aren't being saved by "The WMRL Mass Transfer".

I do not expect any club below the WMRL's territory to be relegated from Step 6.


_________


Thank's for the response, much appreciated.


The bit I'm still confused about is where you state "relegations will happen in any league north of the West Midlands Regional League's territory" - how can this happen when the FALC regulations state that step 6 reprieves will be on a PPG basis; they don't mention geography - isn't this on a nationwide basis with lateral transfers happening to 'even up' leagues and reduce travelling? How can one club survive with a PPG of 0.15 but one could be relegated with a PPG of 0.9 due to geography.


Cheers


The FA's so called rules mean as much to me as they do themselves.

Tytherington Rocks survived at Step 6 last season, despite not winning a game. Stafford Town gained over 40 points, and finished 3rd from bottom of their Step 6 division and were sent down to Step 7, despite believing they'd finished outside of the relegation zone!!

This was a clear case of geographical bias.

As I said - everything hinges on the Herefordshire & Worcestershire club en masse being allowed (the Herefordshire clubs want it) and pushed (the Worcs clubs may be persuaded if the former are allowed their way) into the Hellenic League.

IF that doesn't happen then there is absolutely no point to relegate the bottom clubs in the Hellenic, regardless of what their own written down words instruct them to do - they simply won't do it!

The Wessex is one short, the CoCo is one short, the SCEL two short, the Southern Combo 3 short (no one is currently in any danger of dropping down from Step 4 in the latter either!)

There's no applicants to the Wessex or Western that can go up. The Southern Combo has just 1, the SCEL just 1.

As mentioned before, the barrier between north and south is the WMRL. The gates were locked last year, despite the Herefordshire clubs applying en masse to switch to the Hellenic. The Southern half is thin on the ground to replace lost clubs or to get Step 7 clubs to apply, with the correct grading. The northern half is bursting at the seems and needs the Herefordshire and Worcestershire clubs to be allowed to move into the Hellenic. That would free up about 8 places, allowing a domino affect lateral transfer scenario to unfold amongst all the leagues above the WMRL (the ML, EMCL, NWCL N&S divisions, NCEL, EMCL and lastly Northern).

The Hellenic has lost its battle to retain its current footprint, and the FA need to come to terms with that fact! The key for the clubs in the bottom 2 in the northern step 6 divisions lies with the FA's views on the Herefordshire and Worcestershire clubs this summer!
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Thanks for that. I totally understand the logic re the Hellenic League and the WMRL.

With regard to step 6 relegations last season – were the PPG regulations in place then at this level? I recall that there was a reduction in clubs in a lot of divisions at this level and that prior to the season starting anywhere up to 6 clubs could be relegated (certainly the NCEL and EMCL communicated this).

The FA’s own regulations state "At the end of the Regular Playing Season the Clubs in the bottom two positions of each of the nineteen Step 6 divisions will be liable to relegation" and "No more than 38 Clubs will be promoted from Step 7." "Where the eligible Clubs count does not reach 38 in number, reprieves of Step 6 Clubs shall come into effect on a points per match basis."

How could the FA go against their own regulations? For example how could they relegate perhaps 2 NCEL1 clubs with a PPG of over 0.75 but retain clubs in other leagues with a PPG of say 0.35 – wouldn’t this be a clear breach of their own regulations?

Finally – I wish I’d chosen “sort Brexit out” as my project!!!



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The FA are a law unto themselves, they’ll find a clever way to re-interpret their own rules to facilitate their end goal.

But as I said – the “WMRL/Hellenic transfer dilemma” and the “We will relegate the worst clubs at Step 6 based on their PPG” mandate are intrinsically linked….

If the best PPGs are amongst the Step 6 northern relegation candidates, then the WMRL Mass Transfer to the Hellenic, simply has to happen. They can’t keep the Herefordshire and Worcestershire clubs in the WMRL…AND….reprieve the likes of Harworth and Bolsover. There simply isn’t enough room for them all.

So as described previously the FA have two choices.

  1. Abide by their own rules….reprieve the best PPG relegates (or all of them if they want to fill all divisions asap) - which will necessitate them moving all Herefordshire clubs and possibly Malvern and Pershore too, to the Hellenic.

  2. Flout their own rules, stick their heads in the sand again, over the “Hellenic Issue”, refuse to move the southern WM clubs to the Hellenic, and relegate clubs in the northern half of the country with much better PPGs than that in the South, just like they did last year!


They cannot, in any scenario, stick to their own rules, without transferring en-masse the southern West Midlands clubs to the Hellenic.


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On 18th January windydcfc said this:

The following leagues/clubs look unlikely to achieve a top 5 position or are struggling too:
Manchester League
Stockport Georgians(currently 9th)
Peterborough & District League
Whittlesey Athletic(currently 7th)
Staffordshire County Senior League
Stafford Town(currently 5th, but the 6th placed team has games in hand)
West Cheshire League
Ashville(currently 9th & have played more games than than all their rivals)

I have updated this for matches played since:

Manchester League
Stockport Georgians - currently 8th, highest finish possible is 6th

Peterborough & District League
Whittlesey Athletic - currently 7th, top 5 finish is more than possible (unlikely to finish in top 4)

Staffordshire County Senior League
Stafford Town - currently 6th, 2 points behind 5th with 2 games in hand

West Cheshire League
Ashville - currently 6th & have 2 games to play themselves whilst others around them have 4 or 5.


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Can't be bothered unpicking and correcting all this, other than to say the Herefordshire clubs who applied to be transferred to Hellenic last summer did so after the requisite deadline, hence the applications were rejected. If, however, they've already applied again for next season then it's hard to see a reason why it won't happen.


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Can't be bothered unpicking and correcting all this, other than to say the Herefordshire clubs who applied to be transferred to Hellenic last summer did so after the requisite deadline, hence the applications were rejected. If, however, they've already applied again for next season then it's hard to see a reason why it won't happen.


Don't think it needs unpicking really. Its fairly straight-forward.

And the point is - the Herefordshire clubs shouldn't have had to apply last summer - the FA should have moved them without any need for formal applications to be made.


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It's incredibly straightforward - the NLS Regs govern what happens. Yet when they're implemented you keep complaining that they're not, and now you're actually advocating that they should've been overridden.


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Can't be bothered unpicking and correcting all this, other than to say the Herefordshire clubs who applied to be transferred to Hellenic last summer did so after the requisite deadline, hence the applications were rejected. If, however, they've already applied again for next season then it's hard to see a reason why it won't happen.


Don't think it needs unpicking really. Its fairly straight-forward.

And the point is - the Herefordshire clubs shouldn't have had to apply last summer - the FA should have moved them without any need for formal applications to be made.



One of the clubs, told me that they understood that they were all moving(aka the Leicestershire clubs to the UCL1) & were surprised when they weren’t moved. They appealed & were told that they should’ve formally asked for lateral transfers. Which the club I’m in contact with have done this season & as far as he’s aware the other clubs have followed suit.
I have been told by a NWCL official that they are expecting to expand their NWCL1S in a southeasterly direction. We’ll have to wait & see if this happens. I’m wondering if Uttoxeter & Rocester have asked for lateral transfers?


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It's incredibly straightforward - the NLS Regs govern what happens. Yet when they're implemented you keep complaining that they're not, and now you're actually advocating that they should've been overridden.


I really have no idea what you're bleating on about now to be honest, I am certainly not 'advocating' anything be overridden.

All I have 'alluded to' is that the FA should have moved the Herefordshire clubs last summer, much like they moved Almondsbury, Holmer Green etc. Those clubs did not need to apply to join new divisions.

I think you just like being combative and confrontational for the sake of it.


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Don't get personal. You're still wedded to the notion that the FA "are a law unto themselves", "flout their own rules" etc etc, yet others appreciate a better understanding of the facts behind what goes on. Where I can help with that, I'll continue to do so. Too bad if you regard that as bleating, combative or confrontational for the sake of it.

As we saw last summer with the reconstruction, the LC had rather a full workload, in some cases even having to apply regulations that weren't entirely fit for purpose (and have since become obsolete) e.g. the Tividale/Ilkeston promotion scenario. As such, discretionary lateral movements appear to have been kept to the bare minimum. Mindful too that discretionary lateral movements need to be considered on a national scale if they're to be done fairly across the board, it'd be entirely understandable if the LC didn't attempt that last summer.

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