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LoyalRed
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Jan 17, 2019, 9:27 AM

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Morning All,

Apologies if I have missed this, but do we know when the FA will release the Step 6 applicants?

Thanks


miswell
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Jan 17, 2019, 10:55 AM

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Aylesbury FC are taking relegation from Southern League Div 1 Central.

http://www.pitchero.com/...atement-2386347.html


windydcfc
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Jan 17, 2019, 11:45 AM

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Aylesbury FC are taking relegation from Southern League Div 1 Central.

http://www.pitchero.com/...atement-2386347.html



As it stands, there place will be filled by an extra step 6 runner up. Unless they finish in the bottom 2 places.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


windydcfc
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Morning All,

Apologies if I have missed this, but do we know when the FA will release the Step 6 applicants?

Thanks



Probably on Friday



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


Sarumio
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Jan 17, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Aylesbury FC are taking relegation from Southern League Div 1 Central.

http://www.pitchero.com/...atement-2386347.html



As it stands, there place will be filled by an extra step 6 runner up. Unless they finish in the bottom 2 places.


But Aylesbury are at Step 4 - so how does Step 6 come into this?

Surely its just a straight-forward situation of placing Aylesbury bottom at the end of the season, resulting in either Kidlington or North Leigh staying up.


windydcfc
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Jan 17, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Aylesbury FC are taking relegation from Southern League Div 1 Central.

http://www.pitchero.com/...atement-2386347.html



As it stands, there place will be filled by an extra step 6 runner up. Unless they finish in the bottom 2 places.


But Aylesbury are at Step 4 - so how does Step 6 come into this?

Surely its just a straight-forward situation of placing Aylesbury bottom at the end of the season, resulting in either Kidlington or North Leigh staying up.



Yeah, you’re right. I think it was lack of sleep.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


(This post was edited by windydcfc on Jan 17, 2019, 1:03 PM)


oftenscore6
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Jan 17, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Spreadsheet & Maps updated. Apologies for the delay I've had Work, Family & Holiday commitments.


Why do Stourbridge miss out on promotion when according to your own projection charts they have better ppg than taunton?



Unless I’m mistaken, has Rob regionalised the playoffs(NPL+SLC & SLS+ILP)? It probably makes sense that this will occur, but I don’t think it’s actually been determined.


From the NLS regulations for 2018-19 as per June 2018
"The Step 3 Divisional Play Off Winners will play a further match against each other. . The ties will be decided by the Committee pairing Clubs on the most suitable geographical basis. The ties will be played on a single match basis with the home Club being the Club with the best points per match ratio in the Regular Season."

From the FA handbook November 2018
"The Step 3 Divisional Play Off Winners will play a further match against each other. The ties will be played on a single match basis with the home Club being the Club with the best points per match ratio in the Regular Season."

No idea why the difference, when it occurred, or what it means (decision by FALC? random draw? automatic by PPG? mini-league of 4?)


so stiurbridge is worse off than warrington so lose out despite being better than taunton on PPG because they are better than dorking so warrington go up as 'northern' and taunton as 'Southern' this is rather unfair and strange and if they did just on PPG there would likely be no need to move a southern club (oxford) to national north next season as Stourbridge could fill that vacancy.

This way, there's 3 'Northern' promotees from step 3 and 3 Southern. If they leave it to ppg, it could be a 4-2 split. So in this year's situation, if Taunton and Dorking improved to be the top 2ppg step 3 runners up and won their home playoff finals, they'd be needing to find an extra Southern team beyond Oxford City to move into the North division. Nothing you can do about the split of those coming down but at least those going up are evenly split this way.



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Richard Rundle
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Jan 17, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Morning All,

Apologies if I have missed this, but do we know when the FA will release the Step 6 applicants?

Thanks


I expect it will be given to the "Non-League Paper" as an exclusive, but may well be leaked by one or more leagues beforehand.


Atavistic
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Jan 18, 2019, 12:33 PM

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The list of applicants has been revealed, and is as follows:

Anglian Combination League
Sheringham

Bedfordshire County League
Cranfield United
Shefford Town & Campton

Central Midlands League North
Clay Cross Town
Retford
Retford United

Central Midlands League South
Hucknall Town
Matlock Town Reserves
Pinxton

Cheshire League
Billinge
Egerton
Pilkington

Essex Olympian League
Buckhurst Hill

Gloucestershire County League
Lebeq United
Stonehouse Town

Hampshire Premier League
Fleetlands
Infinity
Stockbridge

Herts Senior County League
Letchworth Garden City Eagles
New Salamis

Kent County League
Peckham Town
Staplehurst Monarchs United

Leicestershire Senior League
FC GNG
FC Khalsa GAD
Rugby Borough
Saffron Dynamo

Lincolnshire League
Brigg Town

Manchester League
Stockport Georgians

Middlesex County League
Cricklewood Wanderers
PFC Victoria London
Pitshanger Dynamo
St Panteleimon

Midland League
GNP Sports
Moors Academy

Northern Football Alliance League
Newcastle University

Peterborough & District League
Whittlesey Athletic

Southern Combination League
Roffey

Spartan South Midlands League
Berkhamsted Raiders
Bovingdon

Staffordshire County Senior League
Stafford Town

Surrey Elite Intermediate League
Westside

Thames Valley Premier League
Marlow United

Wearside League
Hebburn Town Reserves
Sunderland West End

West Cheshire League
Ashville

West Midlands (Regional) League
Darlaston Town (1874)
Droitwich Spa
Sikh Hunters
Worcester Raiders

West Riding County Amateur League
Golcar United
Route One Rovers

West Yorkshire League
Ilkley Town



2019/20 stats (including Pre-Season):

New Grounds: 11 (Most Recent: Carshalton Athletic)
Games: 21
Goals: 68
Goals Per Game (to 2 dp): 3.24
0-0s: 1

My Blog: https://thetortoisetravels.blogspot.co.uk/


genesimmons
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Jan 18, 2019, 12:38 PM

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interesting applicants from the north east. Both Sunderland and Newcastle uni have essentially moved out of town to play at facilities geared up for step 6, which going of whats happened before has never seemed to end well. Never known a reserve team play in the northern league and may not happen again, all hinging on hebburn 1st team



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Sarumio
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Jan 18, 2019, 12:46 PM

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And so therefore no Applicants from;

Cambridgeshire County League
Dorset Premier League
Essex & Suffolk Border League
Liverpool Premier League
Mid-Sussex League
North Riding League
Northamptonshire Combination League
Nottinghamshire Senior League
Oxfordshire Senior League
Sheffield & Hallamshire County Senior League
Suffolk & Ipswich League
West Lancashire League
Wiltshire Senior League
York League


Tim
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Jan 18, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Or Somerset County League.


Richard Rundle
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Jan 18, 2019, 1:45 PM

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No-one from West of Bristol at all.


Sarumio
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Jan 18, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Oops forgot my home county's league! Yes none from Zummerzet either!

Does anyone know the criteria when it comes to finishing position this season?

Most appropriate for at least three teams on that list - Ilkley, Whittlesey and Stockbridge who might not / are unlikely to finish in the top 4 (maybe not top 5).

Maybe there should be a two-tier criteria adopted.

If you're promotion (whilst finishing outside the top 5) would result in the relegation of an existing Step 6 club - then No promotion.

If you're promotion (whilst finishing outside the top 5) does not result in a Step 6 relegation, and you are merely filling a vacancy that would otherwise cause a division to run 1 short - then up you go!

Would like to think that clubs like Ilkley and Whittlesey will be allowed up (and not be denied by (unintentional) blocking by clubs above them not wanting to go up!

Anyway anyone know?


Sarumio
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Jan 18, 2019, 1:55 PM

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No-one from West of Bristol at all.


In fact No one from the entire South West (Somerset, Dorset, Wilts). In fact the south in general has VERY FEW applicants

3 in Hampshire (2 of which look rather "over-ambitious")
2 from Gloucestershire
1 from West Sussex
1 from Kent
1 from Buckinghamshire

And that's it for the area south and west of London!

But then again - we do have a plethora of applicants from the SWPL Step 7s to make up for it with their completely unnecessary brand spankingly new Step 6 division!


(This post was edited by Sarumio on Jan 18, 2019, 1:56 PM)


petermiller36
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No-one from Humber Premier either.



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LoyalRed
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Jan 18, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Only two applicants across Oxfordshire, Wiltshire, Gloucestershire and Somerset, however only one can go up if according to the Non-League Paper.

'27 possible promotions (1 promotion per league)'

More issues for the Hellenic League...


The Major
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Jan 18, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Any news on The Jersey Bulls,is it still on course or thrown in the dustbin


Richard Rundle
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But then again - we do have a plethora of applicants from the SWPL Step 7s to make up for it with their completely unnecessary brand spankingly new Step 6 division!


Do we? I haven't seen a list yet. Have you seen one published? Nothing of the swpleague twitter or web forum, nor Cornish Football Forum


SWP-Phil
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I can confirm a batch of clubs have expressed an interest in stepping from 7 to 6 and from local leagues to 7 in the South West but these were not included as not strictly "applicants" at present.



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Atavistic
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As Jersey Bulls aren't currently a Step 7 club, I assume they aren't included on the list for that reason as they have very clearly applied. I believe the same applies for the Hellenic Division 2s, so chances are teams from those have applied (at the very least I'd imagine Long Crendon have after moving in with Oxford City) but just aren't on this list.

Do we ever actually find out who applies from outside of Step 7 normally, or is that something we won't know until teams in that position (such as City of Liverpool a couple of years back) enter the pyramid?



2019/20 stats (including Pre-Season):

New Grounds: 11 (Most Recent: Carshalton Athletic)
Games: 21
Goals: 68
Goals Per Game (to 2 dp): 3.24
0-0s: 1

My Blog: https://thetortoisetravels.blogspot.co.uk/

(This post was edited by Atavistic on Jan 18, 2019, 2:50 PM)


Sarumio
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Jan 18, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Only two applicants across Oxfordshire, Wiltshire, Gloucestershire and Somerset, however only one can go up if according to the Non-League Paper.

'27 possible promotions (1 promotion per league)'

More issues for the Hellenic League...


The Hellenic, at least covering its traditional hinterland, is doomed.

Wazza's predictions show 6 WMRL clubs moving across next season (Malvern, Littleton, Pegasus, Pershore, Hereford Lads Club and Wellington). Who’s next on the list – Bewdley, Studley…..the Dudley duo!!!

By stealth – the Hellenic League Division One West is “on the move” – and I feel will become annexed by the West Midlands Regional League in a few seasons time. The Hellenic simply cannot fill it with “Hellenic Area clubs” anymore. As I say – it is doomed in its current state!

I think the Hellenic has two option, either:

Cut adrift its eastern contingent (and send them to the CoCo and SSML) and become a Glos/Oxon/Worcs/Herefs/Warks League
OR
Cut Division One West adrift altogether and let the West Midlands Regional League run it.


Atavistic
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Perhaps your suggestions at the end could explain why the FA are thinking of introducing a new Step 5 league in the Home Counties: that way, they can move the Hellenic's territory more westward and place the eastern contingent (and some outliers from the likes of the SSML or CCL) into the new league. This seems logical to me at least as it's by no means guaranteed that there would be room in those two leagues for the eastern Hellenic sides (the two Division 1s and 2s could then be adjusted to reflect this, with East taking the name of this hypothetical new league and West just becoming the Hellenic Division 1/2).

That of course still leaves the question of where to find enough teams to fill it, but I'd like to think the FA would at least have some ideas for it (or is that expecting too much of the FA, I wonder?).



2019/20 stats (including Pre-Season):

New Grounds: 11 (Most Recent: Carshalton Athletic)
Games: 21
Goals: 68
Goals Per Game (to 2 dp): 3.24
0-0s: 1

My Blog: https://thetortoisetravels.blogspot.co.uk/

(This post was edited by Atavistic on Jan 18, 2019, 3:49 PM)


windydcfc
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Jan 18, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Perhaps your suggestions at the end could explain why the FA are thinking of introducing a new Step 5 league in the Home Counties: that way, they can move the Hellenic's territory more westward and place the eastern contingent (and some outliers from the likes of the SSML or CCL) into the new league. This seems logical to me at least as it's by no means guaranteed that there would be room in those two leagues for the eastern Hellenic sides (the two Division 1s and 2s could then be adjusted to reflect this, with East taking the name of this hypothetical new league and West just becoming the Hellenic Division 1/2).

That of course still leaves the question of where to find enough teams to fill it, but I'd like to think the FA would at least have some ideas for it (or is that expecting too much of the FA, I wonder?).



I worked it out that the FA won’t need to find that many more clubs, if they’re going for a 1-2-4-8-16-16 pyramid. But the SWPL & the NWCL are both expecting to keep their newly created step 6 leagues. That’s where the FA are going to struggle.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


windydcfc
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Jan 18, 2019, 5:35 PM

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The list of applicants has been revealed, and is as follows:

Anglian Combination League
Sheringham

Bedfordshire County League
Cranfield United
Shefford Town & Campton

Central Midlands League North
Clay Cross Town
Retford
Retford United

Central Midlands League South
Hucknall Town
Matlock Town Reserves
Pinxton

Cheshire League
Billinge
Egerton
Pilkington

Essex Olympian League
Buckhurst Hill

Gloucestershire County League
Lebeq United
Stonehouse Town

Hampshire Premier League
Fleetlands
Infinity
Stockbridge

Herts Senior County League
Letchworth Garden City Eagles
New Salamis

Kent County League
Peckham Town
Staplehurst Monarchs United

Leicestershire Senior League
FC GNG
FC Khalsa GAD
Rugby Borough
Saffron Dynamo

Lincolnshire League
Brigg Town

Manchester League
Stockport Georgians

Middlesex County League
Cricklewood Wanderers
PFC Victoria London
Pitshanger Dynamo
St Panteleimon

Midland League
GNP Sports
Moors Academy

Northern Football Alliance League
Newcastle University

Peterborough & District League
Whittlesey Athletic

Southern Combination League
Roffey

Spartan South Midlands League
Berkhamsted Raiders
Bovingdon

Staffordshire County Senior League
Stafford Town

Surrey Elite Intermediate League
Westside

Thames Valley Premier League
Marlow United

Wearside League
Hebburn Town Reserves
Sunderland West End

West Cheshire League
Ashville

West Midlands (Regional) League
Darlaston Town (1874)
Droitwich Spa
Sikh Hunters
Worcester Raiders

West Riding County Amateur League
Golcar United
Route One Rovers

West Yorkshire League
Ilkley Town



The following leagues/clubs look unlikely to achieve a top 5 position or are struggling too:
Manchester League
Stockport Georgians(currently 9th)
Peterborough & District League
Whittlesey Athletic(currently 7th)
Staffordshire County Senior League
Stafford Town(currently 5th, but the 6th placed team has games in hand)
West Cheshire League
Ashville(currently 9th & have played more games than than all their rivals)



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9

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