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PaulC
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Ian Blackford calling out racist Johnson at PMQs

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Irrespective of the accuracy or otherwise of the accusation, I was surprised John Bercow didn't require Ian Blackford to withdraw the word. Bercow suggested that he withdraw it but as far as I could tell, Blackford didn't do so.

There are various words that are deemed too provocative or too great a slur on the honour of an "honourable" member to be allowed to stand. Among the words ruled over the years to constitute unparliamentary language are coward, idiot, hypocrite, traitor, swine and drunk.

Maybe Bercow thinks soon to be PM Johnson through his deliberately controversial polemics in his newspaper columns has set himself up for some rough treatment in the HofC. A worrying omen for how much of a bear pit the HofC may become in the autumn.

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Irrespective of the accuracy or otherwise of the accusation, I was surprised John Bercow didn't require Ian Blackford to withdraw the word. Bercow suggested that he withdraw it but as far as I could tell, Blackford didn't do so.

There are various words that are deemed too provocative or too great a slur on the honour of an "honourable" member to be allowed to stand. Among the words ruled over the years to constitute unparliamentary language are coward, idiot, hypocrite, traitor, swine and drunk.

Maybe Bercow thinks soon to be PM Johnson through his deliberately controversial polemics in his newspaper columns has set himself up for some rough treatment in the HofC. A worrying omen for how much of a bear pit the HofC may become in the autumn.

PMQ's might become prime time viewing, but at midday instead of the evening.



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Ian Blackford calling out racist Johnson at PMQs

https://twitter.com/...314577591877634?s=21


One of the least edifying aspects of this current Parliament is having to suffer the slittering ( Scots word!), slobbering Intellectual desert that is Ian Blackford continualy wallow in his cringeworthy Scottish Victim Persona or see him hollering smugly from his High Moral Pedestal with his zombie psychophants gurning around him.

Their pathetic attempts to disrupt proceedings by introducing Scottish swearwords in to Hansard and calling Tories rude names has been probably the most pointless political campaign ever undertaken in the history of Westminster.

Theresa May has had some of her best moments slapping down the bloated Tick.


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The disgraceful charade the BBC put on has been further shamed as a second questioner is suspended from their job. Biased, left-wing propaganda machine.

Revenge is a dish best served cold. Expect Boris to come back with a credible plan to save every household in the country £154.50 a year.

Maybe not this year, but certainly whilst he’s PM.


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I think, for the first time ever, I am to some extent in agreement with Yatesman. Ian Blackford has been distinctly underwhelming at PMQs at least for the last several months.

Of course, I'm not his target audience (being based in Cornwall), but he's no Alex Salmond in the chamber.


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I think, for the first time ever, I am to some extent in agreement with Yatesman. Ian Blackford has been distinctly underwhelming at PMQs at least for the last several months.

Of course, I'm not his target audience (being based in Cornwall), but he's no Alex Salmond in the chamber.


Maybe it reflects the change in priorities for Scottish politicians. Holyrood is where the first teamers are to be found. The reserves perform at Westminster.

Westminster for the Scots is similar in that sense to Europe for Brits.

We elect second raters as MEPs. I believe one current MEP has unsuccessfully stood no less than seven times for election as an MP.

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Ian Blackford calling out racist Johnson at PMQs

https://twitter.com/...314577591877634?s=21


One of the least edifying aspects of this current Parliament is having to suffer the slittering ( Scots word!), slobbering Intellectual desert that is Ian Blackford continualy wallow in his cringeworthy Scottish Victim Persona or see him hollering smugly from his High Moral Pedestal with his zombie psychophants gurning around him.

Their pathetic attempts to disrupt proceedings by introducing Scottish swearwords in to Hansard and calling Tories rude names has been probably the most pointless political campaign ever undertaken in the history of Westminster.

Theresa May has had some of her best moments slapping down the bloated Tick.


I'm not sure what you understand by the word slitter.

A slitter is a person who is a messy eater / drinker. Oh, ya slitter. You've spilt Buckie doon yer shirt.

Slittering is the act of being a slitter. Careful mate, you are slittering. Dinnie want to see any Buckie getting wasted.

I am unclear why you think this applies to Ian Blackford unless you share meals with him.

Perhaps the word you are looking for is slavering. In proper usage slaver is the involuntary secretion of liquids from the mouth. In Scottish usage, usually when combined with term "pish", slavering means talking poorly thought-out nonsense.

I agree that it does apply to Mr Blackford at times but I would suggest it also applies to some of the recent postings on here about Scotland. "The SNP hate the British Army" and "The SNP hate Rangers" are two of the more spectacular examples of slavering.

Your comments about Scottish dialect and vernacular being used in the House of Commons mystify me. We are, after all, a Union of 4 nations and the language and culture of each are surely all equally valid? Or should Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland simply be colonies of England?


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The disgraceful charade the BBC put on has been further shamed as a second questioner is suspended from their job. Biased, left-wing propaganda machine.

Revenge is a dish best served cold. Expect Boris to come back with a credible plan to save every household in the country £154.50 a year.

Maybe not this year, but certainly whilst he’s PM.


Worse than biased, it was amateurish and boring.

Individual lengthy interviews with each candidate by Andrew Neil would be more useful, and he's certainly no left winger.

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Recently added words to the OED.

– baff,– baffie, – bam, - bampot, – bamstick, – bauchle, – bawbag, - bealach, - bide-in, - bidie-in, - bigsie, – black-affronted, - bosie, – bowf, - bowfing, – coorie, – coupon, – dab, – eeksie-peeksie, – fantoosh, – geggie, – grass, – hee-haw, – jotter, – roaster, – rooked, – side, – sitooterie, – sitten, – sprag, – spret, – sprit, – spruggie, – sprunt, – sprunting, – title, v.– titter, – tittie, – tittie-billie, adv. – titulation, – titup, – tube, – Weegie.

I'm sorely tempted to follow prorege's example and offer examples of the usage of words such as bam, bampot, bamstick, bawbag and roaster ... but I won't.


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Recently added words to the OED.

– baff,– baffie, – bam, - bampot, – bamstick, – bauchle, – bawbag, - bealach, - bide-in, - bidie-in, - bigsie, – black-affronted, - bosie, – bowf, - bowfing, – coorie, – coupon, – dab, – eeksie-peeksie, – fantoosh, – geggie, – grass, – hee-haw, – jotter, – roaster, – rooked, – side, – sitooterie, – sitten, – sprag, – spret, – sprit, – spruggie, – sprunt, – sprunting, – title, v.– titter, – tittie, – tittie-billie, adv. – titulation, – titup, – tube, – Weegie.

I'm sorely tempted to follow prorege's example and offer examples of the usage of words such as bam, bampot, bamstick, bawbag and roaster ... but I won't.


Why are Scottish words listed in the Oxford English Dictionary?


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Next Conservative Leader will be Male

All 313 Tory MPs voted,
Boris Johnson - 114
Jeremy Hunt - 43
Michael Gove - 37
Dominic Raab - 27
Sajid Javid - 23
Matt Hancock - 20
Rory Stewart - 19
----------------------- Elimination line

Andrea Leadsom - 11
Mark Harper - 10
Esther McVey - 9


Boris Johnson - 126 (+12)
Jeremy Hunt - 46 (+3)
Michael Gove - 41 (+4)
Rory Stewart - 37 (+18)
Sajid Javid - 33 (+10)
Dominic Raab - 30 (+3) Eliminated.

Interesting that enough people voted to get Sajid and Rory across the line, wouldn’t be surprised to see that change tomorrow.

One assumes a large chunk of Raab supporters will head to Boris.


Boris Johnson - 143 (up 17)
Jeremy Hunt - 54 (up 8)
Michael Gove - 51 (up 10)
Sajid Javid - 38 (up 5)
Rory Stewart - 27 (down 10) - Eliminated

After a very poor showing at the debate yesterday, Rory Stewart loses 10 votes. Hopes of a cabinet position fade.


To no ones great surprise, Sajid Javid departs;
Boris Johnson 157 (+ 13)
Michael Gove 61 (+ 10)
Jeremy Hunt 59 (+ 5 )
Sajid Javid 34 (- 4)
2 spoilt ballets


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Ian Blackford calling out racist Johnson at PMQs

https://twitter.com/...314577591877634?s=21


One of the least edifying aspects of this current Parliament is having to suffer the slittering ( Scots word!), slobbering Intellectual desert that is Ian Blackford continualy wallow in his cringeworthy Scottish Victim Persona or see him hollering smugly from his High Moral Pedestal with his zombie psychophants gurning around him.

Their pathetic attempts to disrupt proceedings by introducing Scottish swearwords in to Hansard and calling Tories rude names has been probably the most pointless political campaign ever undertaken in the history of Westminster.

Theresa May has had some of her best moments slapping down the bloated Tick.


I'm not sure what you understand by the word slitter.

A slitter is a person who is a messy eater / drinker. Oh, ya slitter. You've spilt Buckie doon yer shirt.

Slittering is the act of being a slitter. Careful mate, you are slittering. Dinnie want to see any Buckie getting wasted.

I am unclear why you think this applies to Ian Blackford unless you share meals with him.

Perhaps the word you are looking for is slavering. In proper usage slaver is the involuntary secretion of liquids from the mouth. In Scottish usage, usually when combined with term "pish", slavering means talking poorly thought-out nonsense.

I agree that it does apply to Mr Blackford at times but I would suggest it also applies to some of the recent postings on here about Scotland. "The SNP hate the British Army" and "The SNP hate Rangers" are two of the more spectacular examples of slavering.

Your comments about Scottish dialect and vernacular being used in the House of Commons mystify me. We are, after all, a Union of 4 nations and the language and culture of each are surely all equally valid? Or should Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland simply be colonies of England?


Yes that's exactly why I used slitter because every time he speaks his dribbles his food down his shirt, but slaver will do because he talks a lot of slavering pish.


And yes, I love Scots dialect and language and it should be used naturally but every time a Scots word is used in Parliament by a SNP mp they all run around patting themselves o the back afterwards on Twitter as though they've plunged a Dirk in to the heart of the enemy.....pathetic tbh.

And yes, I firmly believe the SNP hates the British Armed forces and Rangers FC....Its not even as if it's a dirty little secret. It's quite blatant to see when you live here.


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To no ones great surprise, Sajid Javid departs;
Boris Johnson 157 (+ 13)
Michael Gove 61 (+ 10)
Jeremy Hunt 59 (+ 5 )
Sajid Javid 34 (- 4)
2 spoilt ballets

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And yes, I firmly believe the SNP hates the British Armed forces and Rangers FC....Its not even as if it's a dirty little secret. It's quite blatant to see when you live here.


If it were blatant you would have evidence. All you have is belief.

Belief is for the unproven - like fairies, Santa Claus and God.


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And yes, I firmly believe the SNP hates the British Armed forces and Rangers FC....Its not even as if it's a dirty little secret. It's quite blatant to see when you live here.


If it were blatant you would have evidence. All you have is belief.

Belief is for the unproven - like fairies, Santa Claus and God.


I believe The Children are the Future...........

I suppose you're going to tell me that's wrong!!!


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Recently added words to the OED.

– baff,– baffie, – bam, - bampot, – bamstick, – bauchle, – bawbag, - bealach, - bide-in, - bidie-in, - bigsie, – black-affronted, - bosie, – bowf, - bowfing, – coorie, – coupon, – dab, – eeksie-peeksie, – fantoosh, – geggie, – grass, – hee-haw, – jotter, – roaster, – rooked, – side, – sitooterie, – sitten, – sprag, – spret, – sprit, – spruggie, – sprunt, – sprunting, – title, v.– titter, – tittie, – tittie-billie, adv. – titulation, – titup, – tube, – Weegie.

I'm sorely tempted to follow prorege's example and offer examples of the usage of words such as bam, bampot, bamstick, bawbag and roaster ... but I won't.




Why are Scottish words listed in the Oxford English Dictionary?


A lot of Scots ( the language/dialect) is derived from Olde English and has surviived until today.

Scottish Slang is essentially a derivative of modern English .


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Next Conservative Leader will be Male

All 313 Tory MPs voted,
Boris Johnson - 114
Jeremy Hunt - 43
Michael Gove - 37
Dominic Raab - 27
Sajid Javid - 23
Matt Hancock - 20
Rory Stewart - 19
----------------------- Elimination line

Andrea Leadsom - 11
Mark Harper - 10
Esther McVey - 9


Boris Johnson - 126 (+12)
Jeremy Hunt - 46 (+3)
Michael Gove - 41 (+4)
Rory Stewart - 37 (+18)
Sajid Javid - 33 (+10)
Dominic Raab - 30 (+3) Eliminated.

Interesting that enough people voted to get Sajid and Rory across the line, wouldn’t be surprised to see that change tomorrow.

One assumes a large chunk of Raab supporters will head to Boris.


Boris Johnson - 143 (up 17)
Jeremy Hunt - 54 (up 8)
Michael Gove - 51 (up 10)
Sajid Javid - 38 (up 5)
Rory Stewart - 27 (down 10) - Eliminated

After a very poor showing at the debate yesterday, Rory Stewart loses 10 votes. Hopes of a cabinet position fade.


To no ones great surprise, Sajid Javid departs;
Boris Johnson 157 (+ 13)
Michael Gove 61 (+ 10)
Jeremy Hunt 59 (+ 5 )
Sajid Javid 34 (- 4)
2 spoilt ballots


Possibly some skullduggery from Johnson supporters to oust Gove (sweet revenge after being knifed last time):
Boris Johnson 160 (+3)
Jeremy Hunt 77 (+18)
Michael Gove 75 (+ 14)
1 rejected vote

This next month is going to drag as we wait for the inevitable Johnson victory.


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This next month is going to drag as we wait for the inevitable Johnson victory.


It's going to seem like an eternity for Johnson's team as they try to keep him to script. Cool

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Scottish Slang is essentially a derivative of modern English .


Is it?


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Scottish Slang is essentially a derivative of modern English .


Is it?


I'd always assumed it was old Norse influence ...


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The origin of dialect / language is fascinating.

There is a distinction to be drawn between genuine dialects such as Shetland, Lallans and Doric which can be almost unrecognisable to Anglicised ears, and slang. The origins of these are often old Norse, Celtic, Gaelic or Brittonic.

Modern Scots slang, as opposed to dialect, does have many bastardisations of English terms. However, it also includes elements of older influences and other influences such as Scottish Travelling People and recent migrants to Scotland.

This list includes examples of all of these, but also includes terms which are certainly not unique to Scotland.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary_of_Scottish_slang_and_jargon


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Yes language and it's origins, usage and continuing change is fascinating.

For instance there are individuals who for some reason seem to want to shoehorn Latin phrases unnecessarily into their speech.

Maybe they think these phrases fall naturally into the context in which they're being used. Or maybe it's because they want to display their "learning" (generally acquired expensively at public school).

As someone who many moons ago studied Latin (not at Eton or suchlike Cool), I understand the phrases being used but not why any normal human being would want to use them rather than the equally appropriate modern English equivalents.

It is amusing to see some prominent Little Englanders readily use Latin phrases when that is the language of the first European wide empire.

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I watched a program a few years back about the roots of English accents in England. There are 3 variants: Norse, Saxon & Norman. In the north (Danelaw) the reason we pronounce Path, Grass, Glass instead of how it is pronounced in the south(Saxon) Parth, Grrazz, Glarzz. The reason upper class people speak the way they do isn’t because they are speaking posh, it’s because it has historical roots in Norman.

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