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windydcfc
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The only consideration, is the fact that the FA wants to reduce the mileage for clubs. The league committee allowed a few leagues at step 6 to run short last season. I wonder if they’ll do that for step 5(I’m thinking specifically about the NL)?



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Come on - they look at a map and stick clubs in leagues based on that.

Rightly or wrong, but most understandably thats it. If clubs like Knaresborough want to continue playing at the level they do then they WILL go wherever the FA sends them at the end of the day! The NCEL cannot protect them, and whilst the club can appeal any movement its proven in the past to be a waste of time and money.

Step 5 and 6 allocations are no longer made up of individual applications made by the clubs themselves to a particular league they are interested in joining.

The application is now made to the FA, and the application is effectively for promotion to the next step, not a league.

So, whilst its important to a club where their players live, the FA don't care!


This is incorrect in a number of respects.

The language used in the NLS Regulations when talking about placement of laterally-moved (as well as promoted and relegated) clubs is that they will be "placed in the most geographically appropriate division." The Regs also go on to explain the appeals process.

The concept of "the most geographically appropriate division" is not defined further within the Regs BUT Reg 6.1 (which deals with lateral transfers) does give clear insight into the factors that are considered, both in making these allocations and in considering appeals against the allocation:
"In coming to its decision the Committee will have regard to any representations made by any party, the distance to be travelled by any Club to be moved compared to the distance travelled in the Playing Season prior to movement; the financial impact on the Club to be moved, the frequency with which the Club has been moved in the past; the number of Clubs both in the division to which the Club is to be moved and in the division from which the Club is moved, and any other matter that it considers to be relevant."

Clearly, therefore, any representations from the club's league and the financial impact, including from player recruitment, ARE taken into account by the FA - if not sufficiently within the initial placement of the club, then certainly on appeal. Furthermore, appeals have not "been proven in the past to be a waste of time and money", as illustrated by the successful appeals lodged by the likes of Didcot and Hashtag against their respective placements last summer.


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This is incorrect in a number of respects.


Maybe, if what is in the regulations is what happens in practice.

One example which suggests it sometimes isn't - Ashland Rvrs appealed against being placed in the Central Midlands rather than the Notts Senior. Eastwood Community appealed against being in the NSL rather than the CMFL. Yes, a map shows Eastwood is closer to Nottingham but both clubs obviously had reasons why they wanted to be switched and a straight swap would have been possible. Both appeals were rejected.


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We'd need to know why those appeals were rejected before drawing a conclusion about whether the FA is properly applying its own rules. Certainly in the few cases in the summer where I'm aware the reasons for rejecting an appeal were made public, in each case it can be seen the FA did follow its own rules....even when the particular rule itself was found to be flawed e.g. Tividale.


windydcfc
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This is incorrect in a number of respects.


Maybe, if what is in the regulations is what happens in practice.

One example which suggests it sometimes isn't - Ashland Rvrs appealed against being placed in the Central Midlands rather than the Notts Senior. Eastwood Community appealed against being in the NSL rather than the CMFL. Yes, a map shows Eastwood is closer to Nottingham but both clubs obviously had reasons why they wanted to be switched and a straight swap would have been possible. Both appeals were rejected.



I was told by an official from one of those step 7 leagues. That the decision was based on postcode & distance. With the NSL running with 18 clubs & Arnold likely to be relegated into that league. It wouldn’t surprise me if Eastwood Reserves are moved back into the CML next season.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Come on - they look at a map and stick clubs in leagues based on that.

Rightly or wrong, but most understandably thats it. If clubs like Knaresborough want to continue playing at the level they do then they WILL go wherever the FA sends them at the end of the day! The NCEL cannot protect them, and whilst the club can appeal any movement its proven in the past to be a waste of time and money.

Step 5 and 6 allocations are no longer made up of individual applications made by the clubs themselves to a particular league they are interested in joining.

The application is now made to the FA, and the application is effectively for promotion to the next step, not a league.

So, whilst its important to a club where their players live, the FA don't care!


This is incorrect in a number of respects.

The language used in the NLS Regulations when talking about placement of laterally-moved (as well as promoted and relegated) clubs is that they will be "placed in the most geographically appropriate division." The Regs also go on to explain the appeals process.

The concept of "the most geographically appropriate division" is not defined further within the Regs BUT Reg 6.1 (which deals with lateral transfers) does give clear insight into the factors that are considered, both in making these allocations and in considering appeals against the allocation:
"In coming to its decision the Committee will have regard to any representations made by any party, the distance to be travelled by any Club to be moved compared to the distance travelled in the Playing Season prior to movement; the financial impact on the Club to be moved, the frequency with which the Club has been moved in the past; the number of Clubs both in the division to which the Club is to be moved and in the division from which the Club is moved, and any other matter that it considers to be relevant."

Clearly, therefore, any representations from the club's league and the financial impact, including from player recruitment, ARE taken into account by the FA - if not sufficiently within the initial placement of the club, then certainly on appeal. Furthermore, appeals have not "been proven in the past to be a waste of time and money", as illustrated by the successful appeals lodged by the likes of Didcot and Hashtag against their respective placements last summer.


Fleet Town, Marlow and Ware may consider that the FALC pay little or no attention to how often a club has been moved in the recent past.


paulh66
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Who knows. But, at the very least, Fleet, Marlow and Ware ought to have been made aware of why their appeals failed, and which criteria outweighed that particular one.


borninchesham
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Which is fine, Windy if Knaresborough's players all live in Knaresborough and the vicinity - but if they recruit in the Leeds/Bradford conurbation, then this changes the logic


To the spreadsheet warriors all that matters is where a club is based. The fact that the local population cannot provide the number of players of the required standard for a particular level, hence they must recruit from larger conurbations, is of no relevance. Their spreadsheets tell them that as club x is xx miles from club y (the furthest away in an adjacent league) a transfer will cause no problems at all. The warriors, of course, are highly unlikely to have set foot in the places whose clubs they think should be reallocated, probably not even within 50 miles of them, but that won't matter.

Unfortunately, I am not talking about spreadsheet warriors on internet fora, who can safely be ignored, but those in positions where actual decisions are made which affect the wellbeing (or otherwise) of real football clubs.
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One reason that they can't take into account the area of rercruitment is that three months later, when the manager is dismissed, the new manager will recruit from a different area!
What I would agree with is that late transfers, after the constiturions have been announced, should take this into consideration as signings have been based upon the geography involved.



wazzafan
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You make some valid points. I can certainly get behind some of what you've said. I sadly believe as I'm sure you do as well, as I've not read any announcement on it, and if Stafford Town is anything to go by from last season. Your proposal isn't going to happen.

I can however get behind your reasoning about the the bottom placed club being relegated wherever, and I've made these changes on the spreadsheet. I've reprieved the 19th placed clubs in NL1, NWCFL and NCEL and relegated the 20th placed teams in the West Midlands, East Midlands, and Western Premier.

Step 6 does look a bit of a mess at the moment, It'll become clearer once we know the step 7 applicants.



Non League Projections - 2018/19: http://goo.gl/5UvkvE

Step 1: http://goo.gl/9QipfY
Step 2: http://goo.gl/VoE1oY
Step 3: http://goo.gl/Ru3jUk
Step 4: http://goo.gl/QHVmDA
Step 5: http://goo.gl/VrnrYg
Step 6: http://goo.gl/Mk86of


steveking
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Who knows. But, at the very least, Fleet, Marlow and Ware ought to have been made aware of why their appeals failed, and which criteria outweighed that particular one.

To be clear, Ware never appealed against their move to the Southern for 2015/6 nor their move back to the Isthmian the following season. I think we weighed it all up and didn't see much difference travel wise.


paulh66
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Who knows. But, at the very least, Fleet, Marlow and Ware ought to have been made aware of why their appeals failed, and which criteria outweighed that particular one.

To be clear, Ware never appealed against their move to the Southern for 2015/6 nor their move back to the Isthmian the following season. I think we weighed it all up and didn't see much difference travel wise.


Ok thanks, from hawkwind's post I just assumed these three clubs had but, for Ware at least, placement wasn't really much of an issue in the first place.


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It comes down to where you think the base of the "perfect pyramid" should be.

Above this, all decisions are national, points per game should rule the roost (as the fairest if not best way to do things, as inter-league play offs for relegation are not something under consideration). This means any club on any boundary can be shifted to a neighbouring league. Below this, it is regional - so in one region an abysmal club can be spared the drop, which a much better club in another area gets relegated.
My view is that a hybrid version is required. In most of the country, including the Hellenic League step 6 is pooled, but some (I think two) areas are ring fenced. The South West Peninsular league should not stretch outside Devon (at least by more than a few miles), while the Northern League requires a Southern limit. No current Northern League club should ever be considered as a potential member of the Northern Counties (East) and only Pickering are eligible to move the other way.



Pickering are at step 4 now. I checked Knaresborough’s mileage, if they are laterally transferred to the NL at the end of the season. It’s actually not too bad compared to this season in the NCEL. If Harrogate RA are relegated this season(which looks likely). Then Knaresborough closest clubs are Northallerton & Garforth(the southern most NL club & the projected next most northerly NCEL club)& they sit almost halfway between them. It’s only 94 miles to Ashington & 74 miles to Forest Town(AFC Mansfield, if they are relegated).

Knaresborough might be possible to move although if there's a step 5 East Midlands league coming, some of the southerly NCEL clubs might fall into that and reduce their distances in staying in NCEP. But they might themselves get promoted and then what are you left with to pool someone into NL1? The problem is the step 6 divisions are not spread evenly to start with, so NL1 has only a tiny of amount of step 5/6 teams outside the Northern league that it makes any sense to allocate to. Maybe the answer is to form 2 NL2 divisions of 14 like the Hellenic, that'd need another 10 teams or so. Maybe include new groundsharers, reserves and some derogation on not meeting the grade currently, as happened in the South East...



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windydcfc
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It comes down to where you think the base of the "perfect pyramid" should be.

Above this, all decisions are national, points per game should rule the roost (as the fairest if not best way to do things, as inter-league play offs for relegation are not something under consideration). This means any club on any boundary can be shifted to a neighbouring league. Below this, it is regional - so in one region an abysmal club can be spared the drop, which a much better club in another area gets relegated.
My view is that a hybrid version is required. In most of the country, including the Hellenic League step 6 is pooled, but some (I think two) areas are ring fenced. The South West Peninsular league should not stretch outside Devon (at least by more than a few miles), while the Northern League requires a Southern limit. No current Northern League club should ever be considered as a potential member of the Northern Counties (East) and only Pickering are eligible to move the other way.



Pickering are at step 4 now. I checked Knaresborough’s mileage, if they are laterally transferred to the NL at the end of the season. It’s actually not too bad compared to this season in the NCEL. If Harrogate RA are relegated this season(which looks likely). Then Knaresborough closest clubs are Northallerton & Garforth(the southern most NL club & the projected next most northerly NCEL club)& they sit almost halfway between them. It’s only 94 miles to Ashington & 74 miles to Forest Town(AFC Mansfield, if they are relegated).

Knaresborough might be possible to move although if there's a step 5 East Midlands league coming, some of the southerly NCEL clubs might fall into that and reduce their distances in staying in NCEP. But they might themselves get promoted and then what are you left with to pool someone into NL1? The problem is the step 6 divisions are not spread evenly to start with, so NL1 has only a tiny of amount of step 5/6 teams outside the Northern league that it makes any sense to allocate to. Maybe the answer is to form 2 NL2 divisions of 14 like the Hellenic, that'd need another 10 teams or so. Maybe include new groundsharers, reserves and some derogation on not meeting the grade currently, as happened in the South East...



I think the biggest issue for the Northern League, will be the creation of the new step 4 league. How many NL1 will be promoted into this league? If they promote 8 clubs(for example), will they then promote 8 clubs from the NL2? How many clubs will the FALC want in the NL2? If they want to run with 18 clubs for example. Will they then cherry pick 6 clubs from the 3 feeder leagues? What will then be left of those feeder leagues(because 2 of the 3 feeder leagues are struggling)?
For what its worth, I think the FA will create a new step 5 league in the West Midlands(part of the NWCL1S & the WMRL Prem area).



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


(This post was edited by windydcfc on Dec 20, 2018, 1:30 PM)


windydcfc
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Looking at the projection for step 5. I was wondering which SSML Prem club, would be closest to the ESL?
I was wondering if it’s more likely that Clacton will remain in the ECL, then an SSML side moved to the ESL, Newport Pagnell Town moved to the SSML & Eynesbury remains in the UCL. I just think the difference between an SSML club being moved & the distance they will have to travel. Has got to be less than what Eynesbury would have to face?
*I’ve had a look & I believe its Hadley FC & they’re 14miles from Enfield’s ground(I believe this is the closest ESL club). Which is a lot closer than anything that Eynesbury would have to face.
**If Cockfosters stay up, they’re less than 6 miles from Enfields ground



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


(This post was edited by windydcfc on Dec 20, 2018, 8:10 PM)


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I've been looking at your Step 4 in the North. Instead of switching Brighouse Town from East to West could it not be more prudent to move Wisbech from NPL1(E) to SL1(C) and place either the relegated Halesowen Town (who are moving divisions anyway) or Sutton Coldfield into NPL1(W), providing Chasetown with at least one half-decent local derby.



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windydcfc
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Rugby Borough & Saffron Dynamo from the LSL have both applied for promotion



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Rugby Borough & Saffron Dynamo from the LSL have both applied for promotion



I assume Rugby Borough will be groundsharing at Rugby Town as a 3G cage, with only one side for spectators and no seats and a small bit of cover will not be good enough for step 6 football.



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Rugby Borough & Saffron Dynamo from the LSL have both applied for promotion



I assume Rugby Borough will be groundsharing at Rugby Town as a 3G cage, with only one side for spectators and no seats and a small bit of cover will not be good enough for step 6 football.



I believe the application is for the 3G cage(I maybe wrong). I was told, that their ground isn’t too much different than Aylestone Parks ground & they play at step 6.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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AP have a proper ground with a stand and cover and have only used the 3G pitch on a couple of occasions for step 6 football.


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AP have a proper ground with a stand and cover and have only used the 3G pitch on a couple of occasions for step 6 football.


Even the 3G pitch at Aylestone Park is better than Rugby Borough as it has a seated stand.



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AP have a proper ground with a stand and cover and have only used the 3G pitch on a couple of occasions for step 6 football.



Thanks for clarifying that KK. If they do use the 3G cage & changes aren’t made to it. Then they’ll fail the ground grading.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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AP have a proper ground with a stand and cover and have only used the 3G pitch on a couple of occasions for step 6 football.


Even the 3G pitch at Aylestone Park is better than Rugby Borough as it has a seated stand.



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Rugby Borough would have played in the cage at AP when facing a couple of clubs in the LSL but when AP first team used it in the EMCL (main pitch was frozen) they needed permission from the opposition to play in it.



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Wootton Blue Cross have decided not to apply this season. But the ambitions is to do next season. I see Rob’s(wazzafan) has got Woodford Utd promoted from the Northants Comb. They told me that they had no intention of applying for promotion.
Redcar Town won’t be applying this season, but they have started the requisite improvements needed & will apply next season. I know Boro Rangers have been looking at lots of options(ground wise & I’m not sure whether they’ve been successful).



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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cornerflag
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Dec 23, 2018, 2:50 PM

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That's correct KK, AP have only used the 3G when the main pitch is been ruled out to adverse weather, permission from The EMCFL (last season) and the opposition agreeing to play on it required.
It doesn't grade for Step 6 football.


pottersbarbee
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Jan 1, 2019, 10:44 AM

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Looking at the projection for step 5. I was wondering which SSML Prem club, would be closest to the ESL?
I was wondering if it’s more likely that Clacton will remain in the ECL, then an SSML side moved to the ESL, Newport Pagnell Town moved to the SSML & Eynesbury remains in the UCL. I just think the difference between an SSML club being moved & the distance they will have to travel. Has got to be less than what Eynesbury would have to face?
*I’ve had a look & I believe its Hadley FC & they’re 14miles from Enfield’s ground(I believe this is the closest ESL club). Which is a lot closer than anything that Eynesbury would have to face.
**If Cockfosters stay up, they’re less than 6 miles from Enfields ground

Enfield play at Harlow which is 22 miles from Fosters and 26 from Hadley! Hoddesdon and ST Margs are nearer though!

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