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PaulC
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So among the candidates, we've got

One who's mantra about hard drugs seems to be "do as I say not do as I do"

Another who wants to restrict access to abortion for women

One who wants us to default on our sovereign debt to the EU, and then basically spend all the net saving on contributions from leaving the EU on tax cuts for the richest 8% of the population

Another two who want to suspend parliament for months to force the leaving of the EU with no deal

And that's to say nothing about some of the stupid statements that have come out in the last 48 hours about how they'd deal with the UK/EU border in Ireland.

What a lovely bunch the Conservative party members have to choose from!


Don't forget the conspiracy to assault a journalist:

https://www.youtube.com/...JRwk&app=desktop


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So, whoever our prime minister is next, I cannot see him/her being in a hurry to call a General Election



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So, whoever our prime minister is next, I cannot see him/her being in a hurry to call a General Election


If it's Johnson his ambition is just to be PM (and cut taxes for himself and his rich chums). Like all good Tory Etonians he'll scarper and let someone else pick up the pieces.


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So, whoever our prime minister is next, I cannot see him/her being in a hurry to call a General Election


If it's Johnson his ambition is just to be PM (and cut taxes for himself and his rich chums). Like all good Tory Etonians he'll scarper and let someone else pick up the pieces.


One assumes his tax cutting policy is designed to win him over the Tory members first.

He’ll get elected and then worry about populist policies to appeal to the wider electorate. Even if they turn out to be total garbage ideas, like the route master buses.

But he has a knack for finding the insignificant things people care about.

He has a tough ask though, he needs to be right-Wing enough to fight back The Brexit Party, but not too far so as not to lose the centre ground.

Life for any Tory leader becomes infinitely easier when Brexit is resolved.


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One assumes his tax cutting policy is designed to win him over the Tory members first.



I would guess the majority of Tory party members are pensioners. Not many will be on £50k+

Of those Tory members disclosing their income, only around 25% would be in line for the bribe.




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Let's hope Esther Mcvey becomes the next PM and then she can dismantle the NHS, and cut all DWP benefits. At least then every British citizen living in the UK can all suffer together while she, her party colleagues, can fill their pockets.



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PaulC
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She really did deliver her speech with a picture of Thatcher in front of her. She must think most Tory party members have zips up the back of their heads ... and who am I to disagree?




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Boris is being taken to court for lying during the referendum campaign and the election campaign.
Perhaps Yatesman could give evidence on his behalf as he is one of the few people in this country who didn't spot any liesSmile


It's a private prosecution.

If by few you mean 17.4 million I agree.

Boris didn't lie because the bus statement based on the gross amount we send to the EU before rebates ......whether or not £350 million is accurate to the nearest penny is not really important. The message was about the principle of us sending vast amounts to the EU that could be used domestically on projects of our choosing .
Anyway, I'm not sure his role in the Leave campaign was an aspect of his public office. He undertook that role as an individual, not in any official govt capacity.

The bus slogan was vigorously and emphatically challenged during the election so what's the problem?

Any half arsed law student could see this spurious and vindictive claim dismissed.


Looks like I was correct after all!!


Yatesman
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So, whoever our prime minister is next, I cannot see him/her being in a hurry to call a General Election


Why would they?

We had one year before last.

We'll end up Ballot Fatigue!


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Boris is being taken to court for lying during the referendum campaign and the election campaign.
Perhaps Yatesman could give evidence on his behalf as he is one of the few people in this country who didn't spot any liesSmile


It's a private prosecution.

If by few you mean 17.4 million I agree.

Boris didn't lie because the bus statement based on the gross amount we send to the EU before rebates ......whether or not £350 million is accurate to the nearest penny is not really important. The message was about the principle of us sending vast amounts to the EU that could be used domestically on projects of our choosing .
Anyway, I'm not sure his role in the Leave campaign was an aspect of his public office. He undertook that role as an individual, not in any official govt capacity.

The bus slogan was vigorously and emphatically challenged during the election so what's the problem?

Any half arsed law student could see this spurious and vindictive claim dismissed.


Mayor of London until 9th May 2016, a public office I believe, if that helps clear up your lack of certainty.

I have to smile at your predictable defence of your boy but I'm pleased that you aren't shouting Project Fear yet, as is normal when a Brexiter is confronted with facts. Anyway you should be commended for your loyalty and the way you are sticking to your principles. It provides hours of mirth in our house. Keep up the good work but prepare yourself, just in case......


Looks like my principles were on the money.


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“On Monday morning, Jeremy Hunt was asked at the launch of his campaign for the Conservative leadership whether he had ever broken the criminal law. “I’m just really racking my brain at the moment,” the foreign secretary replied, “but the answer is no.”

Just five hours later, however, Hunt was forced to clarify that response when he acknowledged to BuzzFeed News that he had in fact breached his own government’s anti-money laundering laws last year.”


PaulC
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Looks like Crimewatch must be returning.




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Suspect that Esther McVey, Mark Harper and Andrea Leadsom will drop out on Thursday.

Expect Leadsom and McVey to fall over themselves backing Boris for a cabinet role.

Mark Harper, may go toward Hunt.


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For those that like polls....

ComRes for the Telegraph today suggests Boris would lead the Tories to a 140 majority in a General Election.

Labour are currently on course for a minority government with May.


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For those that like polls....

ComRes for the Telegraph today suggests Boris would lead the Tories to a 140 majority in a General Election.

Labour are currently on course for a minority government with May.
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Whats the bet the Telegraph is backing Boris as they're shouting about extrapolated seats, based on unknown biases, from a small number random phone calls.

Accuracy = Null





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Esther McVey "Foreign aid has been mis-spent, including on an airport where the runway was built in the wrong direction facing the wind."

Iain Dale: "Where has that happened?"

McVey: "It's in... one of the continents... abroad."


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Runways are supposed the face into the prevailing wind.
And they can be used in the opposite direction as well



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I think it's fair to say McVey had no idea what she was talking about.

The consensus is that she was describing the airport at St Helena. It's not funded by foreign aid, since it is British.

If these people were job applicants for a normal job, I'd be re-advertising. Previous applicants need not apply.


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I think it's fair to say McVey had no idea what she was talking about.


And the shockometer registers zero.

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Results of the first round due after 1pm, in the meantime, the publicly declared numbers are;

Johnson - 83
Hunt - 34
Gove - 32
Raab - 21
Javid - 18
Hancock - 17
Stewart - 8
Harper - 7
McVey - 5
Leadsom - 4

Anyone with less than 16 is out. If they all get that, then the bottom person drops out.


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Next Conservative Leader will be Male

All 313 Tory MPs voted,
Boris Johnson - 114
Jeremy Hunt - 43
Michael Gove - 37
Dominic Raab - 27
Sajid Javid - 23
Matt Hancock - 20
Rory Stewart - 19
----------------------- Elimination line

Andrea Leadsom - 11
Mark Harper - 10
Esther McVey - 9


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Next Conservative Leader will be Male

All 313 Tory MPs voted,
Boris Johnson - 114
Jeremy Hunt - 43
Michael Gove - 37
Dominic Raab - 27
Sajid Javid - 23
Matt Hancock - 20
Rory Stewart - 19
----------------------- Elimination line

Andrea Leadsom - 11
Mark Harper - 10
Esther McVey - 9


Crucially, Boris can’t be overtaken by two candidates (unless he loses support), therefore guaranteed to be in the final 2.


007Dale
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Next Conservative Leader will be Male

All 313 Tory MPs voted,
Boris Johnson - 114
Jeremy Hunt - 43
Michael Gove - 37
Dominic Raab - 27
Sajid Javid - 23
Matt Hancock - 20
Rory Stewart - 19
----------------------- Elimination line

Andrea Leadsom - 11
Mark Harper - 10
Esther McVey - 9


Crucially, Boris can’t be overtaken by two candidates (unless he loses support), therefore guaranteed to be in the final 2.


Matt Hancock has withdrawn. Means a total of 50 votes are swilling around.


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Crucially, Boris can’t be overtaken by two candidates (unless he loses support), therefore guaranteed to be in the final 2.


Yes, looks like he's guaranteed to be one of the two candidates to be put before the Tory membership. Which presumably means its definitely going to be PM Bojo.

Last night's episode of "This Week" was fun and feisty on the subject. I recommend taking a look at it. Surprisingly, Portillo, who over the months has shown he clearly hates Boris, seemed in favour of him winning the contest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/...g/this-week-13062019

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Jonathan Pie did a great spoof news item on the Tory leadership race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hrTK-OWYIs

Contains bad language



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