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Riverside64
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Sep 10, 2019, 11:04 AM

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Re: [Beano] Evo Stik Unstuck [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

The Isthmian League admins have just sent through the code that we need to implement for the age-gating software on our non-Pitchero websites.

I've added it to the Hornchurch website - essentially it just asks the question "Are you over 18, Yes or No?". If you click Yes then the logo appears below the main slider. Clicking No, just removes the question and the page displays normally.

The issues (for us) with the code are:
- the Opt-in question appears on every single page, whether or not the logo code is on there or not. This is different to Pitchero websites.
- if we opt-in on the home page, the logo appears. If we then refresh the home page it asks the question again. It should remember the reply at least for the session. Again, this is different from the way it works on the Pitchero websites.
- the BV logo displayed on our website is different to the logo on Pitchero sites
- on our site, the logo links through to betvictor.com. On Pitchero websites it links through to betvictoristhmian.co.uk

I've fed this back to the Isthmian admins for comment.

Andy


(This post was edited by Riverside64 on Sep 10, 2019, 11:05 AM)


ladderman
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Sep 10, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Re: [Riverside64] Evo Stik Unstuck [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

Yep, same with ours. It's not a great piece of software, and pretty pointless seeing as it's relying on the honesty of the user.

The email pissed me off. Demanding changes are made within three days when the Isthmian League clearly had given the software to pitcchero in advance is indefensible. The way they constantly push clubs to use a piece of commercial software is totally unacceptable and raises obvious questions about kick-backs etc.

The people who run the league nered to remember that they are employees.


Riverside64
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Sep 10, 2019, 9:07 PM

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3 of the 4 issues are now sorted, though still see the opt-in on all pages which isn't ideal. I see this is one you've solved ladders which is good.

For my second point about remembering the user's selection I've spoken to their developers and they've provided updated code which creates a cookie to store the preference. I won't post the code here but you can get it from the Hornchurch website - go to the main page then on the browser (Firefox) click on Tools | Web Developer | Page Source. The script is around line 608.

Like the new BSFC website. Had a look at the Alchemists theme myself as it's popular (used by Welling, St Albans, Whitehawk, Walthamstow). Also makes good use of Sportspress.


(This post was edited by Riverside64 on Sep 10, 2019, 9:08 PM)


ladderman
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Sep 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

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I've solved nothing. The last time I programmed it was in Pascal. I do the content. If you pm you email I'll put you in touch and may e you can save the world together.
I so feel sorry for any bloke who's set up a basic site his club and is now lumbered with this crap.


Beano
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Sep 10, 2019, 11:23 PM

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I've been sent the code, but I'm finishing Saturday's programme before I try to implement it.

I've told our Secretary that the three-day deadline is completely unacceptable, but that we'll meet it regardless. It helps that I don't get much sleep...


shimtoan
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Sep 11, 2019, 12:14 AM

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I've been sent the code, but I'm finishing Saturday's programme before I try to implement it.

I've told our Secretary that the three-day deadline is completely unacceptable, but that we'll meet it regardless. It helps that I don't get much sleep...

surely the leagues should've got this organised before the season started



unless stated, all views are my own and are not the views of any other person, club, or organisation


ladderman
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Sep 11, 2019, 9:55 AM

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You'd think, eh?

Beano, my take on the deadline is that if you don't have clickable links you're not in breach of any regulations other those laid down by the league.

Questions need to be asked as to why it's taken so long to issue clubs with instructions if it's so important, and why pitcher were given the information before the clubs.


Hendonboy
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Sep 12, 2019, 10:45 AM

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For my second point about remembering the user's selection I've spoken to their developers and they've provided updated code which creates a cookie to store the preference. I won't post the code here but you can get it from the Hornchurch website - go to the main page then on the browser (Firefox) click on Tools | Web Developer | Page Source. The script is around line 608.


There's a possible issue around this. If I don't consent to your cookie banner, but click "yes" or "no", the cookie is still created and I'm not sure this usage qualifies as "basic" fundamental stuff that the website won't work without, nor that it does not store any personal information." - I've narrowed down my age into a bucket for you, and the website works fine without the cooke. I'm no expert in GDPR, but I suspect you'll need to update your cookie consent options so that I explicitly consent to this before storing that info.

On our site, it's not getting done this week and I told our secretary that as soon as the email came through. To make this usable I need to build an endpoint on our site that is called by the JS to set a session variable on the server side and ensure that there's no logging around it, because I'm not willing to take the risk of messing around with personal data in cookies and the script they've provided, as you rightly say, isn't really usable.


Beano
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Sep 12, 2019, 10:01 PM

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I've been sent the code, but I'm finishing Saturday's programme before I try to implement it.

I've told our Secretary that the three-day deadline is completely unacceptable, but that we'll meet it regardless. It helps that I don't get much sleep...


Well, I went back on this ever so slightly and tried to implement the code provided within the Prescot Cables website during my lunch break yesterday. It loaded the question perfectly, but did absoulutely nothing else. No banner running across the top of the homepage, no new logos in addition to those already implemented as adverts. Just a seemingly random question.

So, we fed this back to the Compliance & Commercial Manager at the NPL, who sent back a reply which was basically "contact the developers". Funnily enough, I'd already done that...

They eventually came back to me with an entirely new code snippet, plus what turned out to be some badly-worded instructions as to how to "age gate" the banners we had. This meant completely changing how those banners were loaded but was at least an effective solution.

We also have to add a clickable link to the BetVictor website on our homepage by next week, so I decided that I might as well get that done too.

We were provided a code snippet, but no instructions as to where on the page it should go so, stupidly, we asked the League who predictably enough wanted it in the spot where the club's main sponsor has a link. That was never going to happen but I did place the graphic in that part of the page, albeit lower down.

It looked ridiculous - completely out of sync with the other logos, because it was so much smaller. Fortunately, we'd also been given a link to the original logo, which was massive. I downloaded this, then used the "Image Size" routine in Photoshop to match the height of the sponsor's logo to the size of the container, then copied this and pasted it into the transparent image I use as a template for such things. I suppose that I could have used the colour matching tools to fill the space either side of the logo but by the stage I was getting quite fed up with the whole rigmarole, so I left it as it was.

I then had to upload the new image to the site and create a widget that not only complies with the Age Gating regulations but also only appears on three pages within the website. A fair bit of faffing about, but at least its done.

Then, earlier tonight, the Compliance & Commercial Manager emailed NPL clubs with yet more instructions, this time for social media posts promoting the Football Pools.

Starting from next week and running for three weeks, NPL clubs have to post specifically worded posts on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram, at three different points in the week. This is fine if you have the right tools to schedule these things in advance and across platforms, but less easy to achieve if you are combining matchday tweets with untold other jobs.

Oh, and the clubs have been told about this on a Thursday evening and are expected to roll out the first set of messages on Monday.

I am so very glad that I have nothing to do with the social media at Cables, because this latest idea is just gruntwork.


Forest Gump
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Sep 13, 2019, 10:06 AM

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I really feel for you Beano, and the rest of the webmasters using non-Pitchero sites.

It looks like the code they gave you loads the banner ad before the age checker, so when the site is loading on a slow connection, you see the banner briefly before it disappears.


Richard Rundle
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Sep 16, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Just seen on a tweet from Radcliffe FC that the NPL has hopped into bed with another gambling company as well. Quite how happy Beth Victoria will be with the league working with a competitor, who knows?


Beano
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Sep 16, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Just seen on a tweet from Radcliffe FC that the NPL has hopped into bed with another gambling company as well.


That'll be the first post of the three weeks' worth of messages about the Football Pools, then. These are supposed to go out on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram and there's a programme advert as well.

I'm not sure the Pools are in direct competition with the title sponsor, but I take your point. Clubs up here are being to do an awful lot of extra work with uncertain levels of reward.

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