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Ronsdog
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It's been over a year since I was last in the chair so let's see if I can remember how this works.....another tangible please.

Good luck all !!


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A product of a sponsor of a club/competition?


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A product of a sponsor of a club/competition?


NO, something completely different this time


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A metallic tangible?


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A metallic tangible?


NO metal involved in this thingy.


Karb
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Does more than one of our item exist?



"People do not have moments of truth in station waiting rooms"


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Does more than one of our item exist?


YES, there are plenty of these around.


Ropemaker
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A UK thingy?



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A UK thingy?


YES indeed, from the UK


Karb
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Initially produced to be sold/given to the general public?



"People do not have moments of truth in station waiting rooms"


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Could you hold it with one hand?


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Initially produced to be sold/given to the general public?


NO , not really


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Could you hold it with one hand?


NO, cannot be held with one hand


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Does it have a roof?


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Does it have a roof?


NO it doesn't have a roof


villan
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Is item regularly seen/used at a sporting event?



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Is item regularly seen/used at a sporting event?


NO, not seen/used at sporting event


Ropemaker
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Has writing on?



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Has writing on?


YES, there is writing on it.


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Used for advertising?


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Used for advertising?


NO, not to my knowledge.


Oxford Stone
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Is it a flat object?


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Is it made of wood?



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Is it a flat object?

h

YES, it is flat.


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Is it made of wood?


NO, not made of wood.


Karb
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Specific to one club or team?



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Specific to one club or team?


NO, not specific to one club/team.


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Has writing on?

YES, there is writing on it.

Club or player name?



Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.


Ronsdog
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Has writing on?

YES, there is writing on it.

Club or player name?


NO, neither of those.


Oxford Stone
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Do they move?


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Do they move?


NO. Item/items do not move.


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Would they considered to be a sign?


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Would they considered to be a sign?


NO, not a sign.


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Is it art?



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Is it art?


YES, it is a piece of art.


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Q: A picture?

G: L S Lowry's painting, Going to the Match.


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G: L S Lowry's painting, Going to the Match.


YES, a picture.

Guess sails high and wide.


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Painted on a wall/pavement etc?



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Ronsdog
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Painted on a wall/pavement etc?


That's a NO, not on a wall/pavement etc


villan
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Are these plentiful items all identical in shape & content?



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Are these plentiful items all identical in shape & content?


Probably NO.

The item in question is a painting.
Plenty of copies are available from various sources to purchase.
I would imagine that they vary from postcard size to original size but I can't be sure.


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Does the painting depict a match in progress?

G: Thomas Hemy's painting of the Sunderland v Aston Villa game at Newcastle Road in 1895, believed to be the oldest association football painting in the world?



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Does the painting depict a match in progress?

G: Thomas Hemy's painting of the Sunderland v Aston Villa game at Newcastle Road in 1895, believed to be the oldest association football painting in the world?


YES, there is a game in progress in the picture.

But NO it is not Hemys iconic painting Karb.


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Peter Watson painting of Fellows Park before it closed



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YES, there is a game in progress in the picture.


A game that actually took place?


Ronsdog
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Peter Watson painting of Fellows Park before it closed



NOT that Ropey.


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YES, there is a game in progress in the picture.


A game that actually took place?


There is no documentary evidence to suggest that it did or didn't take place.

Have another question if you wish Paul...


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Cheers RD, I'm too late now but I can still take some information out of your answer. Soooo, Saturday's question.... is the game in the picture supposed to be an adults 11 a side?


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Cheers RD, I'm too late now but I can still take some information out of your answer. Soooo, Saturday's question.... is the game in the picture supposed to be an adults 11 a side?


I will take that as Fridays question.

Again as before I would have to hazard a guess, but if pressed then the answer would be probably YES.


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G. A painting by Beaton 1955 Footballers. It depicts a goalkeeper diving to his left facing away with various images of players also shown + faded posters at top of canvas saying dogs love vims & journey into hell.



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G. A painting by Beaton 1955 Footballers. It depicts a goalkeeper diving to his left facing away with various images of players also shown + faded posters at top of canvas saying dogs love vims & journey into hell.


Not Cecil Beatons action packed image Villan.

https://www.nationalfootballmuseum.com/...l-beaton-circa-1955/


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Q: Painted since 01/01/1940?

G: LS Lowry's "The Football Match"?



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Are players the main subject rather than spectators or something else?



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Q: Painted since 01/01/1940?

G: LS Lowry's "The Football Match"?


NO, painted prior to 1940

Guess flies past the past.
https://www.kingandmcgaw.com/..._BwE#422520::media:0


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Are players the main subject rather than spectators or something else?


NO, the players are not the main subject.


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Has this painting risen to prominence because of a particular occurrence in the last ten years?


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Has this painting risen to prominence because of a particular occurrence in the last ten years?


NO not really.


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Painted 1909-40?


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Is it on public display?


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Painted 1909-40?


YES, within that time frame.


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Is it on public display?


YES, it can be viewed publicly.


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Elford's Portsmouth 1924 but probably later as shirts are numbered?


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Elford's Portsmouth 1924 but probably later as shirts are numbered?


https://artuk.org/...ton-park-1924-228857

NO Fratton Park involvement, so not that one John.


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Is the original in a gallery?


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I'll guess Football Game by Karol Hiller.


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Is the original in a gallery?


YES it currently hangs in a room designed for the display of works of art.


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I'll guess Football Game by Karol Hiller.


https://culture.pl/...ll-game-karol-hiller

Not Hillers painting Paul which is Polish in origin. Remember you are seeking a piece of British art; but youre thinking along the right lines in that the artist was conveying a social message.....


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Is the original in a gallery?

YES it currently hangs in a room designed for the display of works of art.

In UK?



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YES it currently hangs in a room designed for the display of works of art.

In UK?


YES, in UK.


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Painted 1925-40?


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At the Match - Alfred Lambert?


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At Chris Beetles Gallery in London?


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NO, prior to 1925.


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NO John, not the 1920s advertising image. So another flies past the post.

https://www.nationalfootballmuseum.com/...-lambert-circa-1925/


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NO, the painting in question is not exhibited at the famed Ryder Street gallery.


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Is the painting connected to the First World War?

G: Gassed by John Singer Sargent, with a match being played in the background



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G: Gassed by John Singer Sargent, with a match being played in the background


GOAL !!!


I saw this iconic WW1 picture Gassed, close up only a couple of weeks ago and was intrigued by the game being played in the background. I didn't appreciate its significance until I did a little research and turned this up from When Saturday Comes......

“What the fuck is art? A picture of a bottle of sour milk lying next to a smelly old jumper? To me it’s a load of shit. I’d say football is art” – the thoughts of then Aston Villa manager John Gregory, as recorded in Loaded magazine in 1999. In fact Gregory is wrong. Football is not art; it’s an 11-a-side team sport. However, the game has been depicted in pictorial form by various British artists over the last 200 years.

Thomas Webster’s The Football, painted in 1839, shows a group of boys engaged in a boisterous game of rural village football, a full 25 years before the Football Association would codify the game with its first set of official laws and regulations. Previously sketchy cartoons of village football had been fairly common, a style that found an echo in the anecdotal pen-and-ink drawings which sometimes accompanied match reports around the turn of the century.

Football was largely ignored by the art establishment during the first half of the 20th century. Bloomsbury aesthete Duncan Grant produced Football in 1911, a panel painting currently hanging in the Tate Gallery in London, which shows a group of lithe young men in athletic suits engaged in a kind of bucolic gamble, seeming to pay more attention to one another’s muscular physiques than the ball one of them holds casually beneath an arm.

John Singer Sargent’s World War One painting Gassed features a train of walking wounded approaching a trench field hospital, while in the background a football match is taking place with players in full kit and boots. Some critics have claimed that the artist is making an analogy between the horrors of modern warfare and organised sport, in which case Gassed could be the first ever anti-football painting.......

Great strike Karb and over to you.....

https://www.theguardian.com/...inger-sargent-gassed


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Very well done both Karb & Ronsdog. The clearest image I have been able to find online is this one: https://biblioklept.files.wordpress.com/...ogle_art_project.jpg
In hindsight, you can appreciate the difficulty Ronsdog had with answering some of the questions.

 
 


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