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Part-Timer
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Jul 10, 2019, 9:31 AM

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Wink

There'll be a rise in gambling, the sponsorship deal isn't philanthropy!

I suspect the sponsors will argue that the sponsorship is about brand awareness with the aim increasing their share of the existing pot rather than increasing the size of the pot; just as the tobacco companies did.


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....and I bet none of us believe it. (If it was true, the sponsorship would probably disappear in a puff of smoke)



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andymac
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Jul 10, 2019, 10:14 PM

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When I started smoking at the age of 12 (Nearly 50 years ago) it was NOT because of advertising on TV, at football stadia, F1 cars et al. The good news is I gave up 6 years ago for health reasons although I still use an E Cig. Likewise when I started drinking a few years later it was NOT as a result of advertising. The football Club I have supported from boyhood is financed by what is probably the largest on-line betting company in the world and I am eternally grateful for this. (They are also probably the largest employer in my city). Despite this I have never had the urge to gamble on any sport. My gambling has been restricted to occasional lottery tickets and 1 day out at Haydock Park (sons Stag Do) where I lost the almighty sum of 20.
What worries me is that the Sports Ground that my County League side use is also used by Market Drayton Town FC. In recent months, the Sports Association that operate the site have imposed a blanket ban on smoking and vaping over the entire 15 plus acre site. Whilst this ban is totally un-enforceable they could take a dim view and impose a ban on any signage advertising a gambling company. I wonder what impact such a ban would have on our friends at Market Drayton Town FC.

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Jul 11, 2019, 1:58 AM

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For those who seem to think that marketing and advertising doesn't influence them. Are you really suggesting that advertising doesn't influence anyone, or is it just you that are immune to it?

Why do you think Bet365 spend over 100 million per year on advertising and marketing. Is it just a convenient way of getting rid of a bit of spare cash? A company spending 27% of their total revenue on something that has no impact year after year? Are they crazy? That's nothing Ladbrokes spent 40% of their income on advertising. Between 2014 and 2018 Gambling operators spent 1.5 billion on marketing.
It might be worth dropping them a line telling them that they are wasting their money. They'll be really grateful.


andymac
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Jul 11, 2019, 9:19 AM

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Yes I probably am immune to advertising. I'm also one of those that moves channel or puts the kettle on during an ad break on TV. Just to play devils advocate here but on the other side of the argument, one of the biggest problems we face in this country is peoples addiction to drugs but I don't see any advertising for these anywhere.

andymac


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Yes I probably am immune to advertising. I'm also one of those that moves channel or puts the kettle on during an ad break on TV.


Me too. I'd go as far to say I'm an advertiser's nightmare! Even so, the car insurance is now due and I find myself searching the likes of Go Compare and Money Supermarket, or when booking a trip I now sometimes end up checking Trivago after referring to my usual sources, and so on. I'd never have heard of these things but for their advertising. It works on so many levels and touches us all in different ways and to varying degrees, whether we realise it or not.



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Just to play devils advocate here but on the other side of the argument, one of the biggest problems we face in this country is peoples addiction to drugs but I don't see any advertising for these anywhere.


Obviously addictions are not exclusively a consequence of advertising but advertising does increase product uptake. The greater the uptake of products with addictive qualities, the greater the numbers addicted.


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For those who seem to think that marketing and advertising doesn't influence them. Are you really suggesting that advertising doesn't influence anyone, or is it just you that are immune to it?

Why do you think Bet365 spend over 100 million per year on advertising and marketing. Is it just a convenient way of getting rid of a bit of spare cash? A company spending 27% of their total revenue on something that has no impact year after year? Are they crazy? That's nothing Ladbrokes spent 40% of their income on advertising. Between 2014 and 2018 Gambling operators spent 1.5 billion on marketing.
It might be worth dropping them a line telling them that they are wasting their money. They'll be really grateful.


Companies do spend millions on advertising but some of that would be money given to the HMRC so spending it for advertising is probably see as a better use of their money. I am also advert immune and I don't use any online/high street betting companies.



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Jul 11, 2019, 8:10 PM

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I wonder if the new sponsor will sink any cash into the website?
Usual errors up - check out the coloured markers for Premier South and One South on the location tab...they are reversed...



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bd
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Jul 12, 2019, 10:49 AM

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Now unable to access the Southern League website at work due to the new sponsor! Unsure


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Just been informed of this edict re social media from the new Isthmian sponsors...


Clubs and Leagues to NEVER include images of players under 25 in tweets or articles where BetVictor is mentioned or linked to.




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DonQuixote
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...and just to really fan the flames

Leagues and clubs to NEVER tag BetVictor in tweets or FB/IG posts or link directly to
http://betvictor.com . Apparently the repercussions are severe

they cite a case with Spurs and WilliamHill

This ain't gonna end well methinks




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Repoman
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Jul 13, 2019, 12:24 PM

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These restrictions are going to place a huge burden on the website administrators and those who run clubs' social media accounts. The simple answer is to never mention the sponsor in any way, however they will probably take a dim view of that too. What would interest me is how clubs can manage websites where Pitchero in particular are their provider, as the templates will presumably include various references to the sponsors and where the page relates to an under aage team some content may be beyond the club's control. And what happens about team pictures for instance, which would appear on the home page - there will be players of all age groups, including under 25's, and the league sponsor's name - including a link to their website - will be prominent on that page.

Additionally, presumably under 25 players will be permitted to wear shirts with the sponsor's logo. if not it will be a nightmare for kit managers!


(This post was edited by Repoman on Jul 13, 2019, 12:29 PM)


Riverside64
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Jul 13, 2019, 1:00 PM

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It is all a bit of a mess. Prior to this morning we had only received a couple of contradicting emails from BV and the Isthmian admins on what we were to do with the website etc. As of last night, 9 of the clubs in the Prem had added the BV logo but all added the logo in either the header, footer or a sidebar which essentially means the logo will appear on every page (sitewide). Buried in the emails was a reference to no sitewide links but it was very easy to miss and you can understand the clubs' approach as areas like the header etc are much easier to amend than internal pages.

This morning's communication better clarifies the requirements.

It's still going to be difficult managing the content especially where academy/youth teams are part of the club website but we are taking a very simplistic approach.

We have changed 2 pages:
- the BV logo has been added to the home page (links through to the Isthmian site)
- the BV logo (not clickable) has been added to each league fixture on the 1st team fixtures page
That's it. Any other reference to the league e.g. on our Tables page will be to the "Isthmian Premier League" as opposed to the "BetVictor Isthmian Premier League".

The only social media account changed is Twitter - with BetVictor being added in our profile.


(This post was edited by Riverside64 on Jul 13, 2019, 1:01 PM)


Repoman
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Jul 13, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Do you know how this applies to programmes? I presume that the restrictions don't apply to print programmes, but do they apply to digital programmes where there are links to external websites?


marinersteve
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Jul 13, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Total mess - presumably clubs are bound by league rules to mention sponsors in certain ways, so they are stuck. Bu I'd suggest all fans, tweeters and FB posters omit all reference to BV and refer to the leagues only by their proper names.....



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Repoman
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Jul 13, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Clubs will undoubtedly be expected to promote the sponsors, not just on websites and social media, but in grounds and programmes. I hope that, just as the Isthmian League's Twitter account does, equal prominence is given to begambleaware.org.

Since all eleven Step 3 and 4 divisions' names now start the same - with the sponsor's name - using it is redundant, and I will certainly refer only to the Southern, Isthmian and Northern Premier Leagues.


Repoman
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This is the Spurs/William Hill story https://www.prweek.com/...a-william-hill-tweet


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Cheers Mick but did Google it earlier...the potential
ramifications are somewhat disturbing methinks.




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DonQuixote
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Also, how does @BitVector deal with the situation when an
innocent fan adds a young player's pic to a Tweet that has
over 1,000 notifications, with the original containing the
sponsor's name in the original Tweet?




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ladderman
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Jul 14, 2019, 9:50 AM

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Our team-sheet yesterday would have to published like this if it was a league game
A Player
A Player
A Player
S Robbins
A Player
A Player
A Player
A Player
J Cureton
A Player
A Player

Subs
A Player
A Player
A Player
A Player
A Player
A Player
A Player

So we'll be playing in the Isthmian League this season. Screw BetVictor.


Riverside64
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Jul 15, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Ladders - is it really that restrictive? Or is it more of an issue mentioning an U25 player whilst linking through to a gambling site which would appear to be the issue with Spurs and William Hill.
This was the Rotherham teamsheet as they posted it in their final game of last season. I haven't checked but I'd suspect at least 1 of their players is U25 yet they mention Sky Bet.
https://twitter.com/.../1124984633714774016


(This post was edited by Riverside64 on Jul 15, 2019, 3:18 PM)


DonQuixote
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I think it is that restrictive....

Check the link in Repo's post above and what
Spurs caught panned for.

They cannot make different rules for on-line info
as opposed to hard copy - can they?




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I'm not sure. It's clear we can't use pictures of under-25s if we mention BetVictor. As I don't know the age of everyone we play against I'll be covering my arse by referring to the Isthmian League.

We have at least one under-18 year-old in the team, I don't see how he can wear a shirt with the BV logo on it, or how we can sell replica kit to kids. None of which is my problem, fortunately.


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I'm not sure. It's clear we can't use pictures of under-25s if we mention BetVictor. As I don't know the age of everyone we play against I'll be covering my arse by referring to the Isthmian League.

We have at least one under-18 year-old in the team, I don't see how he can wear a shirt with the BV logo on it, or how we can sell replica kit to kids. None of which is my problem, fortunately.


Under FA rules a club cannot sell kits to kids with a betting company on their replica shirts!


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Jul 15, 2019, 10:45 PM

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All the EFL web site pages I have seen have a SKY Bet clickable logo on their web pages which takes you to the SKY BET website.

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