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TonyD
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Jul 30, 2019, 9:36 AM

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Can someone explain how that helps anyone?


leohoenig
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It saves their opponents from travelling to a game which will then get expunged from the results

And, for this season at least, Bury are still in the League



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TonyD
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It saves their opponents from travelling to a game which will then get expunged from the results

And, for this season at least, Bury are still in the League


So, because they owe money, the EFL will deprive them of revenue and possibly cause MKD and its supporters travelling expenses from bookings which they cannot recover. Brilliant.


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My rather superficial understanding is that the principles involved are similar to those of trading while insolvent, for example it can give rise to various liability issues and is potentially unlawful. The EFL's action may have deprived the club of some gate income but it's also prevented the club incurring further liabilities in respect of the costs of playing the match.


ladderman
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Jul 30, 2019, 12:40 PM

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Ah, a club who cheated their way into the league not being able to play against a club who cheated their way to promotion. Tragic.

But personal thoughts aside, Bury have had months to sort this out, and they haven't. Do they have insurance for the players and current public liability insurance? Should the police risk being left out of pocket in they attend the game and the club subsequently folds. Should Bury be allowed to sign players to replace the ones they haven't paid?

At some pont at line had to be drawn. Arguably it should've earlier. Any MK fan who booked non-refundable travel clearly wasn't paying any attention to the situation.


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Ah, a club who cheated their way into the league not being able to play against a club who cheated their way to promotion. Tragic.


Much as I would have liked to see Workington stay in the League, I would not say that their replacements cheated their way in.


northstandexile
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Surely Bury should have had points deducted last season when they weren’t paying players.

They were promoted with money they didn’t have.

A new rule should be introduced by the EFL where a club is deducted three points each time players are not paid on time.


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Jul 30, 2019, 6:27 PM

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All clubs should have their finances in place at the League AGM, as that is where the next seasons set-ups are sorted. Bury should not even have been allowed to be considered for this season, and instead of being just suspended, they should have been expelled. Apart from MK Dons fans being inconvenienced for this Saturday, they also face a mid-week trip should the game eventually go ahead.


dtr1989
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Jul 31, 2019, 10:59 PM

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We have been deducted 12 points for the forthcoming season and I imagine will be deducted more for the postponement of this game.

The EFL is a touchy subject. You say about cheating our way? Us fans didn't cheat. The issue lies initially with the EFL. Our previous Chairman Stewart Day was in tenure for nearly 5 years and the EFL never conducted a fit and proper persons test. The man was a maniac. Our current chairman Steve Dale who took over in December has also not had the fit and proper test. How can the EFL punish the club when they haven't fulfilled their obligation to safeguard the club from these maniacs?

Its not the first club either. Blackpool had it with Oysten, Bolton with Anderson, Notts County, Charlton, Macclesfield, there are plenty more.



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Bury’s second game against Accrington Stanley has been suspended. Threat of expulsion looms https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49213628



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Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
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dtr1989
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Aug 2, 2019, 11:22 PM

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I think this is the end for us.
The sad thing is that we found out via Accrington Stanley, not Bury FC or the EFL. The EFL released their statement after Accrington.

Our chairman is a sociopath. When he bought the club he said he was in remission from leukaemia. A month or two later he said he had the all clear. Now the press are all over him, he said on Talksport that he has terminal leukaemia. If this man can lie about a serious illness such as that, what else can he lie about.

There is a protest planned outside his home tomorrow. What is will achieve? Absolutely nothing but the fans have got no other hope.



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The worst thing when a club is in such a situation is the silence from the people that you want answers from (been there) and the thoughts of hopelessness multiply as time goes on.

Hope you weren't one of the fans trudging to Gigg Lane the other day to pick up season tickets whilst under the spotlight of the BBC on national news.


dtr1989
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Luckily I wasn’t!

This is the first time in 29 years I didn’t buy a season ticket. Something told me not to, I’m glad I didn’t! On the positive side, it’s the reason why I have joined this forum and started to hop around non league clubs!

I called the previous chairman out and was assaulted by other supporters for it. Everyone bought into his bull, look at us now!



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Statement from your chairman & guess what it’s not his fault it’s the EFL’s. https://www.buryfc.co.uk/...me-postponed-by-efl/
Also an article by Max Rushden that’s worth a read https://www.theguardian.com/...dom-pain-for-granted



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Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Luckily I wasn’t!

This is the first time in 29 years I didn’t buy a season ticket. Something told me not to, I’m glad I didn’t! On the positive side, it’s the reason why I have joined this forum and started to hop around non league clubs!

I called the previous chairman out and was assaulted by other supporters for it. Everyone bought into his bull, look at us now!


I do feel sorry for the fans but I don't feel sorry for the club. The game is littered with clubs who have financially doped (And continue to do so)

Bury paid out more than they could financially sustain last season. It's not as if the club hasn't been in financial trouble before y either.

On two previous occasions there has been a period of financial difficulty. Some fans of other clubs have suggested (Rather cruelly) your nickname should be the Bucket Shakers.

You are in an unenviable position geographically. Several club around you of similar size with a couple of giants who would have attracted the vast bulk of fans. Other clubs make it work. Perhaps the fact that there are too many playing this as a finite game. Perhaps the club needed to take a good long look at long term where they could survive.


windydcfc
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Great article from a Bury fan https://burymeinexile.com/...ng-the-unanswerable/



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


kirby knitters
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Seems to have been going on for ages have these cash problems at Bury, even when they had FCUM in paying rent. Some clubs struggle with such a loss of income but I doubt that plays much part in this one.


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After all their father did for Bury FC I wonder how the Neville brothers feel about this while helping bankroll the nouveau riche down the road. They can do what they like with their money, of course, but there must be more than a tinge of melancholy.


windydcfc
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Official statement from the EFL. Bury are on the brink now https://www.efl.com/...ent-bury-fc-update2/



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


windydcfc
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A petition has started asking for an independent regulator for football https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/268665



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


derekn
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And what would be the function of this person/body?


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And what would be the function of this person/body?


Presumably to develop, oversee and enforce the regulatory requirements and processes currently within the remit of the EFL. Problem with self-regulation is the rules are determined by those who are subjected to them - one reason why FFP and the fit and proper test, for example, have such limited effectiveness.

Flip side is who funds an independent regulator (presumably the EFL/clubs via some kind of levy) and to whom it'd ultimately be accountable (presumably government, perhaps in partnership with the FA).


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I won't be signing. It appears a lot more of "something needs to be done", than "this needs to be done"



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paulh66
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I won't be signing. It appears a lot more of "something needs to be done", than "this needs to be done"


It's clearly asking government for the creation of an independent regulator. The concept of such a body, created by and accountable to government, is well-established (though not entirely without criticism) in other industries. There won't be a petition to float ideas about the fine details of its remit.


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The Carabao Cup 1st Round tie with Sheffield Wednesday has been suspended now, they have 14 days to avoid being expelled from the EFL it says on the BBC Sport Website

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49280328



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