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bd
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Well yesterday's email from the league is taking some digesting!
It would have been far easier to get anybody other than a betting company to sponsor the league it would seem!


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It does seem strange for BV to want to be the sponsors when they won't have their logo on the shirts and no signage around the ground. It is the right thing to do though given that most clubs have youth/junior sections.

Interesting to know what the rules are re matchday programme content and other artefacts such as teamsheets etc. I suspect for the latter we just drop the BV so it becomes Isthmian League ...


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https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/people/leeds-football-club-raises-awareness-about-dangers-of-gambling-addiction-1-9872394
A Leeds amateur football club is spreading the word about the dangers of gambling addiction, after losing one of their own players in a tragic gambling-related death.
Headingley AFC is keeping alive the name of their former team mate Lewis Keogh, who died in 2013, after he kept his habit a secret from everyone who knew him, until he suddenly and shockingly took his own life at the age of 34.

Heartbreakingly, his suicide note included the words ‘addiction is cruel’.


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The shirts are apparently going to get Isthmian League logos where the usual sponsor would go on the sleeves. This will come as a relief to some clubs who had already produced the shirts for the new season with Bostik logos attached, before June's announcement of a new sponsor.


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There's an Isthmian League meeting today where clubs will be preached at and told what they are and aren't allowed to put on their own websites, and what they must put on them.
There is an eight page document listing what we must and mustn't do. This includes adding age verification software that must be uploaded to websites, with the usual suggestion that we all convert to the abortion they call pitchero. Stortford are aware that I would rather gouge my own eyes out with a ballpoint pen that use pitchero.
Somewhere along the line, the people who run the Isthmian League (and probably the Southern and NPL if my experience with the former is typical) seem to have lost sight of the fact that they are employed to work for the clubs. The vast majority of website managers at step 3 & 4 are volunteers, this is a massive ballsache. I don't do it to mess around promoting betting companies, I don't need to spend my life checking that we haven't inadvertently broken regulations regarding under-25s and gambling. I doubt that I'm abnormal (something of a rarity) in that respect. I do it to help BSFC (it's the only journalism I do for free) and I'll put up with normal, boring, website maintenance, but this is getting to the point and when I get the first stroppy complaint from the Isthmian League I'll probably feel like chucking it in. As we're top of the alphabetical list of premier clubs (though the league don't seem to know that Hornchurch have dropped the AFC) and we're launching a new website this week, I imagine that's be pretty soon. Because there's a long list of do's and don'ts, along with things we may do but certainly won't be bothering with.
I'd like to know how much extra BetVictor (and we mustn't call them Bet Victor or the planet will implode) are putting in. Their sponsorship covers 228 clubs, how much extra per club can this really be worth?. A grand would be a drop in the ocean at most (all?) step 3 clubs, especially when it's driving everyone mad. My understanding is that Bostik/Evo-Stik were willing to continue, and as Ryman (arguably the most loyal major sponsor football has ever had) dumped the Isthmian shortly after Robinson succeeded Alan Turvey, that's entirely believable.
The whole thing has been a shambles from the word go. And the word go was delayed a week while they faffed around. The Isthmian have had to pay their bench-wear supplier compensation because they told them in February to proceed with getting Bostik logos printed up. The new kit logos were only sent to manufacturers on Thursday - nine days before some of the clubs kick off. They didn't even provide jpegs for clubs to use on their websites when the (delayed) initial announcement was made, and then had the cheek to moan at clubs who'd found logos online and used the wrong one.
A sizable chunk of the eight page instructions is a justification of why they've decided to go with a betting company despite all of the problems it's generated, so clearly they're taking some flack for this. And that flack is more than justified, because this is a complete mess.


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Riverside64
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Indeed, an absolute shambles. What it does show is how little the retards that run leagues like the Isthmian actually care for the clubs that they are supposed to be supporting.

Are they really that naive to think that the volunteers that run the clubs' websites and social media accounts will be referencing that 8 page document every time they publish any game related artefact - whether this is a website page, a new post, an academy update, youth update, new signing, teamsheet, fixture list, matchday programme, facebook post, Twitter post, Instagram update etc etc etc.

And are they equally that naive to think that those that run the non-Pitchero websites will all have the wherewithall and knowledge to install this Age gating software .. software that everytime the website is launched will serve some sort of pop-up asking the user to confirm their age before entering. And if they don't confirm their age somehow suppress everything BetVictor related ! In the Isthmian Premier only 6 clubs use Pitchero so there's 16 clubs that use different platforms, have different hosting requirements, operate under different hosting rules, have different levels of access to their servers or run different php versions.

But then again any club falling foul of the rules is subject to warnings, fines of increasing severity and possible expulsion from the league for repeated "breaches". All for the sake of getting a poxy betting company on board.


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I've also seen the document, which I think has gone to every club in all three Leagues.

There are a lot of very onerous requirements for website administrators, particularly those not on Pitchero. In recent seasons, a number of NPL clubs who were using the platform have come off it, including Prescot Cables. Quite apart from the issues with actually using their systems, the costs became utterly eye-watering. I have heard a rumour that NPL clubs could access a sponsorship that would meet those costs but I know that Cables are happer managing their own website.

We have to get on with it and we will but it is already proving to be a difficult task.


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I'm not involved with any step 3/4 club in an official capacity, but was wondering if there is a requirement for clubs to actually have a website? I get all the club news for the local clubs I have an interest in via twitter.


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I'm not involved with any step 3/4 club in an official capacity, but was wondering if there is a requirement for clubs to actually have a website? I get all the club news for the local clubs I have an interest in via twitter.

I don't know about it being a requirement as such but the website is about more than just latest news and gives a structure to finding that information quickly and hopefully up to date. Twitter doesn't replace that, only complement it.

Unless it's changed in recent years, the EvoStik sponsorship income we got did not cover the extra cost of printing their substantial number of adverts in our match programme. It may be primarily covering central league administration costs though, which otherwise the clubs would be funding.



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bd
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I've also seen the document, which I think has gone to every club in all three Leagues.

There are a lot of very onerous requirements for website administrators, particularly those not on Pitchero. In recent seasons, a number of NPL clubs who were using the platform have come off it, including Prescot Cables. Quite apart from the issues with actually using their systems, the costs became utterly eye-watering. I have heard a rumour that NPL clubs could access a sponsorship that would meet those costs but I know that Cables are happer managing their own website.

We have to get on with it and we will but it is already proving to be a difficult task.


It has. I received a copy and what started as a bit of a hobby and a bit of fun for something extra to do AS A VOLUNTEER for Supermarine, has become something which I can see, quickly becoming, a real pain in the backside to do and the fun side has already sapped before even being subject to them properly this season.

I thought too that the justification on the document was response to the many social media and email requests to the league about this and it's up to us VOLUNTEERS to like it or lump it was how I read it.


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Betting company 32Red seem to have been involved with Wayne Rooney's move to Derby County, so much so that he will wear squad number 32 on his shirt.

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It has. I received a copy and what started as a bit of a hobby and a bit of fun for something extra to do AS A VOLUNTEER for Supermarine, has become something which I can see, quickly becoming, a real pain in the backside to do and the fun side has already sapped before even being subject to them properly this season.

I thought too that the justification on the document was response to the many social media and email requests to the league about this and it's up to us VOLUNTEERS to like it or lump it was how I read it.


We might not have read the thing in quite the same way, but I make you right; the directives (and the potential penalties for non-compliance) are more akin to holding paid professionals to account as opposed to volunteer hobbyists.

One of the things that jumped off the page at me was that it now appears to be mandatory for clubs at Step 3 to film their home matches. This was astonishing to me; can there be any other nation within the football world where every fixture from Level 1 to Level 7 is recorded? Who is going to pay for the equipment required, or ensure that every club has volunteers who, between them, can be present for all their home games?

I really don't feel like I've had a summer break and for the first time in my life I'm not excited by the start of the new season. This worries me. It is entirely possible that, by this time next year, my only involvement in football will be the Life Vice-Presidency bestowed on me by Ashford Town (Middlesex), of which I am immensely proud.

After almost 30 years in non-league football, I'm starting to feel like I'm ready to walk away. That's not the fault of the new sponsor per se; it is a reflection of the pressures on volunteers within the game, the increasing difficulty in balancing what is supposed to be a hobby against work and family life and the relentless pace of change within the game.

I'm going to plough on for 2019-20; I'm not going to drop friends and colleagues in the clag so close to the start of the campaign. However, I've already flagged up to those friends and colleagues that it could well be my last season.


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One of the things that jumped off the page at me was that it now appears to be mandatory for clubs at Step 3 to film their home matches. This was astonishing to me; can there be any other nation within the football world where every fixture from Level 1 to Level 7 is recorded? Who is going to pay for the equipment required, or ensure that every club has volunteers who, between them, can be present for all their home games?

Loathe as I am to side with authority, I think I'm with them on this occasion however. Aside from whether it's something worth insiting on (which is certainly debatable), if the leagues or FA or whoever want to insist that clubs to film games, if you're playing at Step 3 then unless you've just hit some recent financial hardship, it's surely easily affordable? A separate issue is whether many clubs at step 3 have a sensible balance between the percentage of income spent on players' wages versus other stuff, and on that score I'd say the majority are very much out of sync with reality. But if they can afford step 3 wages, then I reckon they can easily afford a small buget for the media side of things if it makes the league or FA happy.



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That's a desperately sad post Beano...

I am currently 'attached' to a step 5 club which is pretty much on its knees. They are playing in a league they have no real wish to play in, (lateral movement), and their reserves are playing in a division they have no wish to play in, (unapplied-for promotion).

All of the committee are in their seventies, (a couple of them seriously ill), and apart from putting their hands in their pockets on an almost daily basis, all of the physical work at the club is down to them as well.

I have spent a large chunk of the summer painting the place; stands, posts, railings, dugouts --- almost everything that you can see currently gleams. Why ? Because there isn't anyone else.

We are, of course, not subject to the demands and strictures that you are, but if we were, we would fold tomorrow.

I hope the season provides you with enough to make you want to think again come May.


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Seconded Beano , it's people like you that keep things going , hope the enthusiasm returns despite the challenges.



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Loathe as I am to side with authority, I think I'm with them on this occasion however. Aside from whether it's something worth insiting on (which is certainly debatable), if the leagues or FA or whoever want to insist that clubs to film games, if you're playing at Step 3 then unless you've just hit some recent financial hardship, it's surely easily affordable? A separate issue is whether many clubs at step 3 have a sensible balance between the percentage of income spent on players' wages versus other stuff, and on that score I'd say the majority are very much out of sync with reality. But if they can afford step 3 wages, then I reckon they can easily afford a small buget for the media side of things if it makes the league or FA happy.


I'll take your point about 'Step 3 wages' as I have no idea what the going rate is at Step 3 these days; both Ashford and Prescot are at Step 4. For me though, it is about more than the money aspect. It is about the fact that yet another mandatory task has been added to the matchday burden largely borne by volunteers.

Why has videoing matches become compulsory now and are there any restrictions on how and when clubs can use the footage they are producing? There certainly are in the National League, where volunteers are being threatened with sanctions for publishing their own work before Pitchero have finished playing with it.

I don't volunteer to "keep the league and FA happy" as you put it, although there's obviously an element of that involved. I do it because I enjoy being part of something bigger. At the moment, it is hard to derive that enjoyment. I'm ten days away from my first competitive programme of the season going to print and I don't have the high resolution artwork for the five pages of compulsory adverts. I've spent hours going through compliance documents and tweaking how websites work to meet the new regulations. Plus there's new restrictions on how clubs can publish photos on their websites.

This is supposed to be my hobby!


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Agreed, it's not just about the money. Someone needs to film the game and do some post-game editing. And realistically you need a gantry to do it properly.
We have someone who's filmed our games for a while. We built him a gantry, he's spent a lot of money on kit. He put a lot of time on it, and his reward is a rude email (and I'm not known for being easily offended) from Pitchero demanding the footage because (apparently) the Isthmian League own the rights and have given/sold them. Oh, and he has to do it in a certain of there will be trouble. He has his own U-Tube page, he doesn't want other people getting the hits from his work. Whether they are really worth anything is open to question, but it's his work and he's being bossed around by a company who exist to make its owners a profit.
Did the clubs agree to this? The Isthmian AGM was apparently over in a flash

It seems that once leagues are run by "professionals" they forget that the rest of us have day jobs. A lot of this is a trickle down from the Conference who are completely incapable of understanding that beneath their trop division club administrators are volunteers. Telling a club who ae appealing against being shunted into a completely unsuitable league that they need to attend a meeting 100 miles away on a Thursday lunchtime with two days notice is a great example.

I keep hoping that we'll reach a tipping point where clubs finally get bored with being bossed around by unelected administators that they are paying. But there's no sign it will happen.


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Very powerful, if depressing, posts here by several members - Thanks for it though as the pressures are articulated so well.

I have made the point for several years now that the FA, swellled by staff paid for by TV money, now find work to justify themselves and invariably that involves volunteers (be it club or league) being "told" what to do.

Regulation is inevitable to a degree, but the balance has gone too far and now volunteers are expected to act and be at the beck and call as if they were full time paid people. I'm lucky that I get some money to act as a league secretary, but even that would equate to barely 2 days a week at national min wage.

The staff at FA, County FA's and Senior Leagues need a strong dose of reality that they are there to HELP the game - Not to put pressure that HINDERS it !



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Is it compulsory to video games? We're step 3 and I haven't seen anything that states we have to film matches. We have a document from the league (back in February) but this just states what our obligations are re videoing games if we do video them. It doesn't state we have to video them. To quote "Clubs can record any matches they wish for their own internal use but if Clubs want to use footage for use on any social media .. then they must provide a copy to Pitchero. I hope you will pass on to the relevant personnel in you Clubs that it will be an offence to use any footage on your social media channels'. I assume the last sentence should have "unless previously shared with Pitchero..." appended.

Whether or not all this has been superseded by something else, I don't know.

Our video guy has just stepped down after 10 years of filming but the club hasn't looked to appoint a replacement. Through the Supporters Association we do have someone to video our first few home games but as it's all voluntary it'll be done on a best efforts basis.


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Very powerful, if depressing, posts here by several members - Thanks for it though as the pressures are articulated so well.

I have made the point for several years now that the FA, swellled by staff paid for by TV money, now find work to justify themselves and invariably that involves volunteers (be it club or league) being "told" what to do.

Regulation is inevitable to a degree, but the balance has gone too far and now volunteers are expected to act and be at the beck and call as if they were full time paid people. I'm lucky that I get some money to act as a league secretary, but even that would equate to barely 2 days a week at national min wage.

The staff at FA, County FA's and Senior Leagues need a strong dose of reality that they are there to HELP the game - Not to put pressure that HINDERS it !


Well said, Phil.

Between 2010-16, I worked for a County FA alongside my volunteer duties. We did a lot of work to try to support clubs, especially when the half-built Whole Game System was foisted upon us halfway through a season.

When I left due to moving, it felt like a relief. By then, it was becoming harder and harder to alieviate the pressures on the 'real' grassroots clubs (by that I mean sides outside the NLS, Sunday teams and youth clubs) because of the way The FA expected Counties to operate, especially when it came to discipline matters. I don't know what it is like now, but I suspect I can guess. Your post speaks volumes in that respect.


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I keep hoping that we'll reach a tipping point where clubs finally get bored with being bossed around by unelected administators that they are paying. But there's no sign it will happen.


People only tend to rebel against things that directly concern them.
The allocations for example. Maybe 15/20 maybe appeal each year against their placing. But hundreds do not as they are content with where they are put.
They maybe do not care about any other club or more likely are blissfully unaware of their plight.
So the appeals are heard and in the main rejected and football goes on as before.
They will need to do something that collectively upsets about 150 clubs before they take any notice.


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Is it compulsory to video games? We're step 3 and I haven't seen anything that states we have to film matches.


Yes, it is now compulsory at Step 3. The following is taken from the eight page document that has gone to all Step 3 & 4 clubs:


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From this season, all Premier Division clubs are mandated to film all home matches. First division clubs may also do so. Clubs must not use the BV logo on the video highlights although this will appear at the start of highlights featured on the league website.



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Not sure if this "must video" business affects the Southern League as they no longer have a Pitchero website.

We no longer have a video man as such. I film snippets on my phone when we attack as I always stand down behind our attacking end. I then cobble them together and upload it to my YouTube account and link it to our website.

If we score a goal I upload it to our social media accounts right away.

If I get told it has to be done this way and that way, then I won't bother.


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Beano, as someone who has been involved 2 clubs at Step 5 (A few years ago) I am saddened to read the posts of you and others. I had a blast when I was involved, yes there was the occasional bit of grief but tat was usually of our own making (The first team kit being washed and it shrinking - Not great 2 days prior to a game).
As has been alluded, this is a hobby for you guys and having recently semi retired, I was looking to potentially get involved with a Senior club. Now, however, having read these posts, I won’t bother.

One thing that is bugging me however is Pitchero; Why is it everything has to be run via them? Stinks of backhanders taking place.


Riverside64
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Aug 9, 2019, 10:13 AM

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Hmmm, the 8 page document I have just states this:

What’s the position with match highlights?
Clubs must not use the BV logo on the video highlights although this will appear at the start of highlights featured on the league website.


This is from the Bet Victor FAQ document. Presumably we are talking about 2 different 8 page documents.

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