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Yatesman
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Just a memory of something I read a few years ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...-former-adviser.html

I apologise to those who would rather bury their heads in the sand or walk around with their fingers in their ears!!!

That's how the grooming gangs got away with it for so long.....
middle cass whiteys not facing reality!

And there's this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...edom-movement-could/



I know I should ignore this but seriously... you want to quote articles in the Telegraph which is no more than a daily bulletin from Tory HQ? I thought you would do better than that.

As for Pritti Patel.... the most inappropriate Minister assigned to a portfolio since Chris Grayling. Whatever happened to him? He seems to have been shunted off into a siding and told to keep his mouth shut.

This Country needs immigration. It needs people. There is way more immigration from outside the EU that the Government DOES have control of than from within the EU. The idea that millions of people that have the right to come here will suddenly do so is as ludicrous as me winning the Lottery tomorrow.

We hear these stories about immigrants in lorries and crossing the channel in flip flops and we think the whole world wants to come here. They don't. The vast majority of people who could legally come here wouldn't want to in a million years. I've lived worked and travelled across most of Europe and I can assure you that they don't hold the UK up as some sort of Nirvana. Read the news and you can see why.


I agree the country needs immigration and I've always been an advoate for immigration.

I also believe we need a grown up conversation about the subject .

The trouble the country has is that those who self identify as lefty's are incapable of participating in that conversation.


Steveb
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Just a memory of something I read a few years ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...-former-adviser.html

I apologise to those who would rather bury their heads in the sand or walk around with their fingers in their ears!!!

That's how the grooming gangs got away with it for so long.....
middle cass whiteys not facing reality!

And there's this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...edom-movement-could/



I know I should ignore this but seriously... you want to quote articles in the Telegraph which is no more than a daily bulletin from Tory HQ? I thought you would do better than that.

As for Pritti Patel.... the most inappropriate Minister assigned to a portfolio since Chris Grayling. Whatever happened to him? He seems to have been shunted off into a siding and told to keep his mouth shut.

This Country needs immigration. It needs people. There is way more immigration from outside the EU that the Government DOES have control of than from within the EU. The idea that millions of people that have the right to come here will suddenly do so is as ludicrous as me winning the Lottery tomorrow.

We hear these stories about immigrants in lorries and crossing the channel in flip flops and we think the whole world wants to come here. They don't. The vast majority of people who could legally come here wouldn't want to in a million years. I've lived worked and travelled across most of Europe and I can assure you that they don't hold the UK up as some sort of Nirvana. Read the news and you can see why.


I agree the country needs immigration and I've always been an advoate for immigration.

I also believe we need a grown up conversation about the subject .

The trouble the country has is that those who self identify as lefty's are incapable of participating in that conversation.


I attempted to engage you in a conversation to learn what aspects of British culture you believe are being ‘swamped’ by Labour.

In reply you simply cut and pasted links to Telegraph stories (one of which is over 10 years old). What sort of ‘grown up conversation’ is that?




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I attempted to engage you in a conversation



Can you see my frustration at this thread now? Not sure if it deserves surviving unless the only purpose is to post entrenched views, over and over from the same people.


Yatesman
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I attempted to engage you in a conversation



Can you see my frustration at this thread now? Not sure if it deserves surviving unless the only purpose is to post entrenched views, over and over from the same people.


Yes I can.

I didn't realise a conversation involved only using the 'permitted' sources and bollocking ( permitted word now the lib-Dems have endorsed it) someone who deviates from them.

Unless I'm mistaken, the Telegraph is a legal and legitimate publication that is prepared to scrutinise the follies of the left.

The problem the lefty middle classes have is a complete detachment from anything other than their own embarrased and apologetic sense of Britishness and it pollutes their every perception and action .


Yatesman
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Just a memory of something I read a few years ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...-former-adviser.html

I apologise to those who would rather bury their heads in the sand or walk around with their fingers in their ears!!!

That's how the grooming gangs got away with it for so long.....
middle cass whiteys not facing reality!

And there's this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...edom-movement-could/



I know I should ignore this but seriously... you want to quote articles in the Telegraph which is no more than a daily bulletin from Tory HQ? I thought you would do better than that.

As for Pritti Patel.... the most inappropriate Minister assigned to a portfolio since Chris Grayling. Whatever happened to him? He seems to have been shunted off into a siding and told to keep his mouth shut.

This Country needs immigration. It needs people. There is way more immigration from outside the EU that the Government DOES have control of than from within the EU. The idea that millions of people that have the right to come here will suddenly do so is as ludicrous as me winning the Lottery tomorrow.

We hear these stories about immigrants in lorries and crossing the channel in flip flops and we think the whole world wants to come here. They don't. The vast majority of people who could legally come here wouldn't want to in a million years. I've lived worked and travelled across most of Europe and I can assure you that they don't hold the UK up as some sort of Nirvana. Read the news and you can see why.


I agree the country needs immigration and I've always been an advoate for immigration.

I also believe we need a grown up conversation about the subject .

The trouble the country has is that those who self identify as lefty's are incapable of participating in that conversation.


I attempted to engage you in a conversation to learn what aspects of British culture you believe are being ‘swamped’ by Labour.

In reply you simply cut and pasted links to Telegraph stories (one of which is over 10 years old). What sort of ‘grown up conversation’ is that?


One ten years old and one from this week to prove Labour are consistent.

Ten years old because that's about when Labour last had the chance to ruin this country..........which they did very well.

One from this week as a warning of one of the things they intend to do to ruin this country if they get the chance again.

It wasn't that hard to work out , surely!


Steveb
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Just a memory of something I read a few years ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...-former-adviser.html

I apologise to those who would rather bury their heads in the sand or walk around with their fingers in their ears!!!

That's how the grooming gangs got away with it for so long.....
middle cass whiteys not facing reality!

And there's this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...edom-movement-could/



I know I should ignore this but seriously... you want to quote articles in the Telegraph which is no more than a daily bulletin from Tory HQ? I thought you would do better than that.

As for Pritti Patel.... the most inappropriate Minister assigned to a portfolio since Chris Grayling. Whatever happened to him? He seems to have been shunted off into a siding and told to keep his mouth shut.

This Country needs immigration. It needs people. There is way more immigration from outside the EU that the Government DOES have control of than from within the EU. The idea that millions of people that have the right to come here will suddenly do so is as ludicrous as me winning the Lottery tomorrow.

We hear these stories about immigrants in lorries and crossing the channel in flip flops and we think the whole world wants to come here. They don't. The vast majority of people who could legally come here wouldn't want to in a million years. I've lived worked and travelled across most of Europe and I can assure you that they don't hold the UK up as some sort of Nirvana. Read the news and you can see why.


I agree the country needs immigration and I've always been an advoate for immigration.

I also believe we need a grown up conversation about the subject .

The trouble the country has is that those who self identify as lefty's are incapable of participating in that conversation.


I attempted to engage you in a conversation to learn what aspects of British culture you believe are being ‘swamped’ by Labour.

In reply you simply cut and pasted links to Telegraph stories (one of which is over 10 years old). What sort of ‘grown up conversation’ is that?


One ten years old and one from this week to prove Labour are consistent.

Ten years old because that's about when Labour last had the chance to ruin this country..........which they did very well.

One from this week as a warning of one of the things they intend to do to ruin this country if they get the chance again.

It wasn't that hard to work out , surely!


It proves the Telegraph is consistent I guess.

But I’d rather have heard your own opinions rather than you referring me to the Telegraph. I can read their editorials myself.




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Ronsdog
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I attempted to engage you in a conversation



Can you see my frustration at this thread now? Not sure if it deserves surviving unless the only purpose is to post entrenched views, over and over from the same people.


With the greatest of respect Steve you seem to be falling into a similar trap that you accuse both the exiles of.

To dismiss two of our more respected politicians views, simply because it was reported in a Tory organ is unworthy of you.
The article echoed much of the electorates views.....admitted three million immigrants for cynical political reasons concealed by dodgy economic camouflage."
The chairmen of the cross-party Group for Balanced Migration, MPs Frank Field and Nicholas Soames, said: "We welcome this statement by an ex-adviser, which the whole country knows to be true.
"It is the first beam of truth that has officially been shone on the immigration issue in Britain."

However, such is the partisan nature of the commentary on this thread that even the mods fall foul of itCrazy


(This post was edited by Ronsdog on Nov 18, 2019, 11:54 PM)


jon b
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Meanwhile, in other Brexit related news, Jo Swinson, leader of the Illiberal Undemocrats for those who didn't know, has said that the UK WILLHAVE TO ADOPT THE EURO if we stay in the EU.


When and where is she supposed to have said it?

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Yatesman
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Meanwhile, in other Brexit related news, Jo Swinson, leader of the Illiberal Undemocrats for those who didn't know, has said that the UK WILLHAVE TO ADOPT THE EURO if we stay in the EU.


When and where is she supposed to have said it?

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My Bad!!

She said that would be the case if we had to rejoin the EU.

Hard to concentrate on an article when it contains a picture of Swinson's sanctimonious mugshot!


Yatesman
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Just a memory of something I read a few years ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...-former-adviser.html

I apologise to those who would rather bury their heads in the sand or walk around with their fingers in their ears!!!

That's how the grooming gangs got away with it for so long.....
middle cass whiteys not facing reality!

And there's this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...edom-movement-could/



I know I should ignore this but seriously... you want to quote articles in the Telegraph which is no more than a daily bulletin from Tory HQ? I thought you would do better than that.

As for Pritti Patel.... the most inappropriate Minister assigned to a portfolio since Chris Grayling. Whatever happened to him? He seems to have been shunted off into a siding and told to keep his mouth shut.

This Country needs immigration. It needs people. There is way more immigration from outside the EU that the Government DOES have control of than from within the EU. The idea that millions of people that have the right to come here will suddenly do so is as ludicrous as me winning the Lottery tomorrow.

We hear these stories about immigrants in lorries and crossing the channel in flip flops and we think the whole world wants to come here. They don't. The vast majority of people who could legally come here wouldn't want to in a million years. I've lived worked and travelled across most of Europe and I can assure you that they don't hold the UK up as some sort of Nirvana. Read the news and you can see why.


I agree the country needs immigration and I've always been an advoate for immigration.

I also believe we need a grown up conversation about the subject .

The trouble the country has is that those who self identify as lefty's are incapable of participating in that conversation.


I attempted to engage you in a conversation to learn what aspects of British culture you believe are being ‘swamped’ by Labour.

In reply you simply cut and pasted links to Telegraph stories (one of which is over 10 years old). What sort of ‘grown up conversation’ is that?


One ten years old and one from this week to prove Labour are consistent.

Ten years old because that's about when Labour last had the chance to ruin this country..........which they did very well.

One from this week as a warning of one of the things they intend to do to ruin this country if they get the chance again.

It wasn't that hard to work out , surely!


It proves the Telegraph is consistent I guess.

But I’d rather have heard your own opinions rather than you referring me to the Telegraph. I can read their editorials myself.


Well I know Paul C loves to read the DMail in some masochistic orgy of intellectual flagellation........If that's his vice , so be it,
but I don't assume everyone reads the right of centre press.

The problem for those in the centre or slightly left or right of the centre of politics is that they have no mouthpiece in society, either in the press or in politics.
The Lib-Dems and Labour are now so extreme in their dogmatic approach to politics as to be irrelevant to most ordinary folk.

So that creates a vacuum where strange alliances and bedfellows emerge.

The Working class are abandoned, misunderstood, denigrated and ignored. It's no wonder they take heart when the only people or publications prepared to highlight their causes are on the right.

Strange bedfellows indeed !

It's one of the biggest failings of the left their inability to give voice to working class issues in a way that doesn't compromise their extremist dogma.

I don't think it'sa circle that can ever be squared and why they have lost Scotland, have essentially lost Wales and long ago lost England.


jon b
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Meanwhile, in other Brexit related news, Jo Swinson, leader of the Illiberal Undemocrats for those who didn't know, has said that the UK WILLHAVE TO ADOPT THE EURO if we stay in the EU.


When and where is she supposed to have said it?

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My Bad!!

She said that would be the case if we had to rejoin the EU.

Hard to concentrate on an article when it contains a picture of Swinson's sanctimonious mugshot!


So she was pointing out that when Brexiters offer another Referendum once we've left the EU, they're conveniently ignoring the fact that by leaving we'd have lost our current advantages of Rebate and Opt outs on the Euro, etc and the likelihood of a vote to rejoin would therefore be much less likely.

As you say Y'man, you must have been distracted by Ms Swinson's looks. Given the number of female politicians around these days you're going to have to concentrate harder.
Cool

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‘Nothing to see here’ then, would be the conclusion as we’ve always known that leaving and rejoining would mean we’d lose the rebate and have to commit to joining the Euro.

Which is why I said earlier, it’s the right things to do. all-in or all-out.

My preference is all-out, but if the country wants all-in at a future date, then we rejoin knowing all the consequences of that.


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The latest two polls released today suggest the tide has turned, sadly for Labour it’s turned further towards the Tories;

Survation (14-16 Nov) - Tory Majority 14% (+4%)
ICM (15-18 Nov) - Tory Majority 10% (+2%)

Massive increase in the Survation lead for the Tories, which someone said on here recently was the most accurate poll for the 2017 election. Let’s hope they are right.


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I know I’m likely to regret asking, but when you say “Labour continue their swamping of British culture” what do you actually mean? Provide some examples.


Just a memory of something I read a few years ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...-former-adviser.html

I apologise to those who would rather bury their heads in the sand or walk around with their fingers in their ears!!!

That's how the grooming gangs got away with it for so long.....
middle cass whiteys not facing reality!

And there's this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...edom-movement-could/



So to back up "continuing to swamp" you cite a Torygraph article from a decade ago and Priti Patel. LOL!


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The chairmen of the cross-party Group for Balanced Migration, MPs Frank Field and Nicholas Soames, said: "We welcome this statement by an ex-adviser, which the whole country knows to be true.

"It is the first beam of truth that has officially been shone on the immigration issue in Britain."


Truth. Now that can be elusive in an election campaign. Cool

As I'm genuinely undecided as to who to vote for, but consider it a civic duty to vote (even if in the end I write "None of this lot" on the ballot paper), I'm trying to work out which of the parties I dislike least and which of the candidates in my constituency impress me most.

Hustings in Dronfield are scheduled for 30 November so I'm intending to attend and try to see if anyone impresses me as trustworthy, capable etc

In the meantime I'll have a read through leaflets sent by the parties.The first of which we received yesterday and was from our local Conservative MP Lee Rowley.

Lee is a personable, young, up and coming politician so I read the leaflet with some interest. In it he states that "Over the last two and a half years, I have consistently voted for Brexit and have watched with increasing frustration as Labour, Lib Dem and other MPs have blocked it."

By "other MPs" I assume he means Independents, SNP and, no doubt most frustratingly of all, some Conservative MPs.

I can sympathise with Lee's frustration and would understand it if he felt compelled to remonstrate with a local Conservative MP who voted three times against Theresa May's deal which would have taken us out of the EU.

It should be easy for Lee to track down this obstructive colleague. He is the guy currently running around with his pants on fire, the MP for North East Derbyshire, Lee Rowley. Frown

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Well I know Paul C loves to read the DMail in some masochistic orgy of intellectual flagellation........If that's his vice , so be it,
but I don't assume everyone reads the right of centre press.

The problem for those in the centre or slightly left or right of the centre of politics is that they have no mouthpiece in society, either in the press or in politics.
The Lib-Dems and Labour are now so extreme in their dogmatic approach to politics as to be irrelevant to most ordinary folk.

So that creates a vacuum where strange alliances and bedfellows emerge.

The Working class are abandoned, misunderstood, denigrated and ignored. It's no wonder they take heart when the only people or publications prepared to highlight their causes are on the right.

Strange bedfellows indeed !

It's one of the biggest failings of the left their inability to give voice to working class issues in a way that doesn't compromise their extremist dogma.

I don't think it'sa circle that can ever be squared and why they have lost Scotland, have essentially lost Wales and long ago lost England.


I read all the newspapers most days, including the Telegraph. You’ve still not answered my question though. Not that I’m surprised.




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I've been following these and other related threads for some time. One thing these threads have done is convince me not to vote Conservative in the upcoming election. Thanks Yatesman.


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The chairmen of the cross-party Group for Balanced Migration, MPs Frank Field and Nicholas Soames, said: "We welcome this statement by an ex-adviser, which the whole country knows to be true.

"It is the first beam of truth that has officially been shone on the immigration issue in Britain."


Truth. Now that can be elusive in an election campaign. Cool

As I'm genuinely undecided as to who to vote for, but consider it a civic duty to vote (even if in the end I write "None of this lot" on the ballot paper), I'm trying to work out which of the parties I dislike least and which of the candidates in my constituency impress me most.

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It make little difference as to where I put my mark on the ballot paper as the Labour Party have a built in majority of 20,000+ in my part of South London, Greenwich and Woolwich.
I cannot vote Labour, as a Marxist led party will in my view trash the economy and not get us out of The EU. They have been my party of choice since the days of Wilson but not with Corbyn and McDonnell in charge. Similarly the Liberals with a leader who has been dazzled by the false promises of European intergration.
Which only leaves the unpalatable choice of Brexit or Tory Party

Probably I will spoil my vote as none of the parties appeal to me.


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‘Nothing to see here’ then, would be the conclusion as we’ve always known that leaving and rejoining would mean we’d lose the rebate and have to commit to joining the Euro.

Which is why I said earlier, it’s the right things to do. all-in or all-out.

My preference is all-out, but if the country wants all-in at a future date, then we rejoin knowing all the consequences of that.


As a supporter of Brexit you would, of course, prefer the electorate to be limited to a choice between "all in" or "all out" as "all in" is far inferior to our current deal with veto, opt outs and rebate.

A Referendum post exit would be a rigged race.

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Probably I will spoil my vote as none of the parties appeal to me.


The constituency here should count as a marginal but I suspect distrust of Corbyn exceeds that of Johnson, so I suspect our Conservative MP will be re-elected.

Personally, I don't think writing something like "none of these" on a ballot paper should be described as "spoiling" a vote. More a true reflection of voter feeling. Cool

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It make little difference as to where I put my mark on the ballot paper as the Labour Party have a built in majority of 20,000+ in my part of South London, Greenwich and Woolwich.
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The country is supposedly a democracy, and yet statements such as this are true for more than half the electorate.



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If, as I fear, the electorate return another hung parliament then surely the time will be ripe for a national discussion as to the benefits and downsides of the nation adopting a form of PR, so that everybody's vote counts.


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It make little difference as to where I put my mark on the ballot paper as the Labour Party have a built in majority of 20,000+ in my part of South London, Greenwich and Woolwich.
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The country is supposedly a democracy, and yet statements such as this are true for more than half the electorate.

The Tory majority in my constituency has never yet reached 20,000, although it has been close. I suspect it will this time. The only time my vote has felt meaningful in recent times has been at referendums (and the jury may still be out on that for the most recent one) or parish elections (and even those have been uncontested recently). Bring on PR.


007Dale
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Nov 19, 2019, 12:22 PM

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It make little difference as to where I put my mark on the ballot paper as the Labour Party have a built in majority of 20,000+ in my part of South London, Greenwich and Woolwich.
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The country is supposedly a democracy, and yet statements such as this are true for more than half the electorate.

The Tory majority in my constituency has never yet reached 20,000, although it has been close. I suspect it will this time. The only time my vote has felt meaningful in recent times has been at referendums (and the jury may still be out on that for the most recent one) or parish elections (and even those have been uncontested recently). Bring on PR.


It seems referendum are there to be ignored by many on this forum:

2011 - 32% in favour of changing the voting system
2014 - 45% in favour of Scottish independence
2016 - 48% in favour of remaining in the EU.

In 2011 I voted in favour of changing to the alternative vote, not because i like AV, but because I thought it was a step forward from FPTP.

However, the last few years of no majority government and the consequential inactivity of Government has firmly changed my mind. We need majority Governments in this country.


Yatesman
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Nov 19, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Location: A Wee Toon in the Scottish Borders
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I've been following these and other related threads for some time. One thing these threads have done is convince me not to vote Conservative in the upcoming election. Thanks Yatesman.


Yeah right!

You sound about as convincing as Corbyn when he says Labour want to root out antisemitism......

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