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PaulC
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The Failure of Labour MP's to deliver Brexit trumps all of the above


Let's examine the facts rather than accepting your assertion.

At the time of the referendum the Tories had a majority of seats at Westminster.

After May's disastrous campaign in 2017, an election which was the Tories' choice, the Tories and the their buddies in the DUP had a majority of seats at Westminster.

Only one party is to blame for the failure to deliver Brexit.

The Tories.


Yatesman
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The Failure of Labour MP's to deliver Brexit trumps all of the above


Let's examine the facts rather than accepting your assertion.

At the time of the referendum the Tories had a majority of seats at Westminster.

After May's disastrous campaign in 2017, an election which was the Tories' choice, the Tories and the their buddies in the DUP had a majority of seats at Westminster.

Only one party is to blame for the failure to deliver Brexit.

The Tories.


Remainer Tories and Labour........Spot On , Paul C I stand corrected !


PaulC
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LOL!

You make an art of revisionism.

Mayís deal collapsed because of Tory extremist Brexiteers like Johnson.

Johnsonís deal collapsed after Johnson pulled his bill after the Commons gave it a second reading.

You really must try to stop forming your political opinions from what you read in the Tory press. They are lying to you Yatesman.


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Mayís deal collapsed because of Tory extremist Brexiteers like Johnson.

But he voted for her deal. Wink


PaulC
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Mayís deal collapsed because of Tory extremist Brexiteers like Johnson.

But he voted for her deal. Wink



"In Theresa May's first and second votes, only five of the 22 Cabinet members voted against the deal. They were Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Grant Shapps and Theresa Villiers."


Yatesman
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Mayís deal collapsed because of Tory extremist Brexiteers like Johnson.

But he voted for her deal. Wink



"In Theresa May's first and second votes, only five of the 22 Cabinet members voted against the deal. They were Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Grant Shapps and Theresa Villiers."


So you agree it was Labour MP's , ignoring their constituents, that stopped Brexit .


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Mayís deal collapsed because of Tory extremist Brexiteers like Johnson.

But he voted for her deal. Wink



"In Theresa May's first and second votes, only five of the 22 Cabinet members voted against the deal. They were Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Grant Shapps and Theresa Villiers."


So you agree it was Labour MP's , ignoring their constituents, that stopped Brexit .


Out of interest, Do you think Justine Greening as just one example, should have been sacked for refusing to go against her constituents wishes who voted 75 per cent for remain?



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Uncle Ian
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Well, whatever you lot say I'm voting Labour. Corbyn's policy statements all hit the right buttons with me and to show my solidarity I'm out tonight putting leaflets into letterboxes in my marginal constituency.


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Well, whatever you lot say I'm voting Labour. Corbyn's policy statements all hit the right buttons with me and to show my solidarity I'm out tonight putting leaflets into letterboxes in my marginal constituency.


Fair play to you.
Nothing wrong with voting for what you believe in but Corbyn is not my cup of tea.
Don't forget your umbrella tonight Wink



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Yatesman
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Well, whatever you lot say I'm voting Labour. Corbyn's policy statements all hit the right buttons with me and to show my solidarity I'm out tonight putting leaflets into letterboxes in my marginal constituency.


In fairness I can see that Corbyn's promises will be very popular to those who believe he can deliver.
As a former Labour supporter I recognise a lot in that manifesto that I can identify with, agree with and support......It's just that.....

I disagree fundamentally with their position on Brexit, do not believe they can deliver what they promise and do not like Compo , Abbot , Thornberry, McDonnel et al. They are the worst Labour front bench in history.
Also I don't believe they really know what or who they represent.

To me, Santa Corbyn is living in a 1970's fantasia, probably drug induced.......I'm guessing Acid!


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Well, whatever you lot say I'm voting Labour. Corbyn's policy statements all hit the right buttons with me and to show my solidarity I'm out tonight putting leaflets into letterboxes in my marginal constituency.


Whilst I disagree with your choice of party, itís good to see democracy in action and people doing their bit to support the causes they believe in.


PaulC
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Mayís deal collapsed because of Tory extremist Brexiteers like Johnson.

But he voted for her deal. Wink



"In Theresa May's first and second votes, only five of the 22 Cabinet members voted against the deal. They were Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Grant Shapps and Theresa Villiers."


So you agree it was Labour MP's , ignoring their constituents, that stopped Brexit .


How do you reach that conclusion from the post you are quoting?


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Well, whatever you lot say I'm voting Labour. Corbyn's policy statements all hit the right buttons with me and to show my solidarity I'm out tonight putting leaflets into letterboxes in my marginal constituency.


In fairness I can see that Corbyn's promises will be very popular to those who believe he can deliver.
As a former Labour supporter I recognise a lot in that manifesto that I can identify with, agree with and support......It's just that.....

I disagree fundamentally with their position on Brexit, do not believe they can deliver what they promise and do not like Compo , Abbot , Thornberry, McDonnel et al. They are the worst Labour front bench in history.
Also I don't believe they really know what or who they represent.

To me, Santa Corbyn is living in a 1970's fantasia, probably drug induced.......I'm guessing Acid!


Not your cup of tea?



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Climate Change
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"In Theresa May's first and second votes, only five of the 22 Cabinet members voted against the deal. They were Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Grant Shapps and Theresa Villiers."


So you agree it was Labour MP's , ignoring their constituents, that stopped Brexit .


How do you reach that conclusion from the post you are quoting?

Because he is as stupid and blinkered as you............

Take away your inane ramblings and snide comments, Yetiman and his attempt at humour, this is an interesting thread.
Why dont you pair just PM each other your utter drivel?



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Yatesman
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Nov 22, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Well, whatever you lot say I'm voting Labour. Corbyn's policy statements all hit the right buttons with me and to show my solidarity I'm out tonight putting leaflets into letterboxes in my marginal constituency.


In fairness I can see that Corbyn's promises will be very popular to those who believe he can deliver.
As a former Labour supporter I recognise a lot in that manifesto that I can identify with, agree with and support......It's just that.....

I disagree fundamentally with their position on Brexit, do not believe they can deliver what they promise and do not like Compo , Abbot , Thornberry, McDonnel et al. They are the worst Labour front bench in history.
Also I don't believe they really know what or who they represent.

To me, Santa Corbyn is living in a 1970's fantasia, probably drug induced.......I'm guessing Acid!


Not your cup of tea?


Acid?......No, Makes you Crazy,Man. Too Trippy!


Climate Change
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Not your cup of tea?


Acid?......No, Makes you Crazy,Man. Too Trippy!


Attempt at humour.....point proven.



I don't need Google. I have a Hoddy.


Yatesman
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Nov 22, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Not your cup of tea?


Acid?......No, Makes you Crazy,Man. Too Trippy!


Attempt at humour.....point proven.


Aw Diddums!

Get Over Yersel'

Dumb questions deserve dumb answers !

Humour helps me cope .

Why is that a problem to you and why didn't you PM me to give me abuse instead of dragging this forum down to your level?


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Dumb questions deserve dumb answers !


Which is why you and Paul C spend a lot of time answering each others ramblings.....



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Yatesman
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Dumb questions deserve dumb answers !


Which is why you and Paul C spend a lot of time answering each others ramblings.....


Not quite true.

I rarely answer his questions.

I generaly counterpoint his opinions.

Yes, it's a subtle difference but I thought we were grown up enough to recognise the nuances.


PaulC
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Take away your inane ramblings and snide comments, Yetiman and his attempt at humour, this is an interesting thread.
Why dont you pair just PM each other your utter drivel?


I think the most inane thing I have read on this thread is:

"I will vote Boris because of all the nasty comments against him on this forum.I am fed up with it, really upsetting."

It is beyond belief anyone would base there decision on who should be PM on comments by a few people in a football chat group. People being nasty to your hero.

Are there any other reasons why you are voting for the Tories or is that really it?


Climate Change
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Take away your inane ramblings and snide comments, Yetiman and his attempt at humour, this is an interesting thread.
Why dont you pair just PM each other your utter drivel?


I think the most inane thing I have read on this thread is:

"I will vote Boris because of all the nasty comments against him on this forum.I am fed up with it, really upsetting."

It is beyond belief anyone would base there decision on who should be PM on comments by a few people in a football chat group. People being nasty to your hero.

Are there any other reasons why you are voting for the Tories or is that really it?


You really are as stupid as I thought........



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Yatesman
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Take away your inane ramblings and snide comments, Yetiman and his attempt at humour, this is an interesting thread.
Why dont you pair just PM each other your utter drivel?


I think the most inane thing I have read on this thread is:

"I will vote Boris because of all the nasty comments against him on this forum.I am fed up with it, really upsetting."

It is beyond belief anyone would base there decision on who should be PM on comments by a few people in a football chat group. People being nasty to your hero.

Are there any other reasons why you are voting for the Tories or is that really it?


You really are as stupid as I thought........



Because yoou were joking, right?

Employing humour , perhaps?

Alright for you but not for me!

Hypocrite doesn't cover it!


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Take away your inane ramblings and snide comments, Yetiman and his attempt at humour, this is an interesting thread.
Why dont you pair just PM each other your utter drivel?


I think the most inane thing I have read on this thread is:

"I will vote Boris because of all the nasty comments against him on this forum.I am fed up with it, really upsetting."

It is beyond belief anyone would base there decision on who should be PM on comments by a few people in a football chat group. People being nasty to your hero.

Are there any other reasons why you are voting for the Tories or is that really it?


You really are as stupid as I thought........



Because yoou were joking, right?

Employing humour , perhaps?

Alright for you but not for me!

Hypocrite doesn't cover it!


Cages rattled.

Bored now......



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steve walker
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Please... everyone... take a deep breath and pause.
Lets not be calling people stupid just because they hold a different viewpoint and lets not be putting our views across with such arrogance on both sides that we are right and everyone else is wrong because that isn't really a debate is it? Listen to other opinions and then post why you disagree if you do and why without all the flowery stuff.

As I have said previously we don't need to set our standards as low as the House of Commons level. Discuss the issues and this thread becomes interesting, discuss the posters and you really aren't landing a point no matter what that point is. That's how undecided or neutral voters will see it.
Thanks


PaulC
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Take away your inane ramblings and snide comments, Yetiman and his attempt at humour, this is an interesting thread.
Why dont you pair just PM each other your utter drivel?


I think the most inane thing I have read on this thread is:

"I will vote Boris because of all the nasty comments against him on this forum.I am fed up with it, really upsetting."

It is beyond belief anyone would base there decision on who should be PM on comments by a few people in a football chat group. People being nasty to your hero.

Are there any other reasons why you are voting for the Tories or is that really it?


You really are as stupid as I thought........


(Written with Steve's post unseen).

It would be great to read your own views on General Election 2019. Having looked back at your contributions to the thread I see nothing apart from some sniping.

You are in no position to criticise people who actually do discuss/debate the topic.

There seems to be a lack of understanding by some who come to this thread to snipe that debate is about putting forward opposing arguments. It's at the very heart of discussion and debate. I agree with little of what Yatesman says so I put forward reasoned arguments to counter what he says. I am sure Yatesman would say exactly the same about my posts. That's what discussion and debate is about. I have taken on board some of what Yatesman has said and I would like to think not everything I have posted has been dismissed by Yatesman.

It all reminds me of the simpletons the BBC always seems to find for their VoxPops who dismiss politicians "because they're always arguing" and ask in all seriousness "why can't they just all agree with each other."

It's almost 50 years since I was at university but one of the lectures that has always stayed with me was on Marxist dialectical materialism. One argument or the accepted truth (thesis) is countered by another view (antithesis) and out of it comes common ground (synthesis). This becomes the new accepted truth (thesis) until another counter argument is offered ... and so it goes on. Our opinions are only intellectually sound if they can be submitted to counter argument and those counter arguments can be refuted. If you cannot back up your opinions and assertions they are worthless. That's why discussion/debate/argument is important.

So come on, give us your views on GE19. Tell us who we should/should not vote for and most importantly your reasons for thinking as you do. Then we can put your assertions to the test.


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