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London FA Sunday Junior Cup
First Round (Part I)

Ties 1 to 16 to be played on Sunday 16th September 2012

1 A.F.C. Shooters v Burnt Oak Builders Merchant

2 Lord Morpeth v Edmonton Rovers

3 Wandsworth Warriors v Euston Honved

4 Caribb Club v A.F.C. Brasenose

5 Ladzio v A.F.C. Balham

6 Seven Acre & Sidcup v Cosmos '90

7 White Hart Lane v Walsingham Town

8 Apoel F.C. (UK) v Ford Cosworth

9 Brockley v Kenningwell United

10 Belgrave United v London Maccabi Lions

11 Kensington Athletic v Poplar Boys

12 Jam F.C. v Iskele F.C.

13 Cultural F.C. v Pantel F.C.

14 A.F.C. Wandsworth v A.F.C. Cosmos

15 Turk Ocagi London v Abbey Wood

16 Tristars & Deloitte v Beehive

First Round (Part II)

Ties 17 to 33 to be played on Sunday 30th September 2012

17 E.L.F.A. F.C. v Cosmos United

18 A.F.C. Groucho v South London Patriots

19 Railway Tavern v J‑Gaia F.C.

20 FC Brentford Globe v Millwall Albion

21 E.Y. International v Birkbeck Orient

22 A.F.C. Avalon v Lotus Sports Club

23 S.C. Global v Duke of Clarence

24 Constitution v Walthamstow Red Star

25 Puma 2000 v Enfield Royals

26 Hope & Horns v F.C. Lokomotiv Thunder

27 Flamingoes v Westminster Wanderers

28 Sport Club Santar v Majestic

29 South London Doves v F.C. Cortez

30 A.F.C. Hammersmith Town v Asianos F.C.

31 Bristow City v North Acton F.C

33 A.D.F. Machico v Our Lady's (21) Youth

Second Round Ties

To be played on Sunday 28th October 2012

34 Aberdeen Supporters Club v Maronites F.C.

35 Komi Kebir v Winner of Match 8

36 Winner of Match 4 v Santley Lions

37 Dees F.C. v Transit Transport

38 Greenwich & Southwark Rovers v Wessex Rangers

39 Sandmere v A.C. Milano

40 Fridays F.C. v Winner of Match 11

41 Danson Albion F.C. v F.C. Bertoli

42 Winner of Match 20 v Mehmetcik F.C.

43 Clavisque F.C. v Winner of Match 6

44 Winner of Match 23 v Green Oak Moreton

45 Beresford United v Guzelyurt

46 Winner of Match 2 v Bromley Knights

47 Winner of Match 28 v Woodford Wanderers

48 Docklands v Winner of Match 26

49 Norstar v Thames Borough

50 Gyro FC v Edmonton Blades

51 Dulwich Tandoori Cobras v C.F.C. Flamengo

52 Winner of Match 22 v Inter Trac

53 Albert Royals v Winner of Match 25

54 Winner of Match 10 v London Tigers

55 AFC Royal Borough v Winner of Match 15

56 Winner of Match 29 v Winner of Match 21

57 Winner of Match 24 v Winner of Match 14

58 Winner of Match 13 v Winner of Match 3

59 Winner of Match 19 v Winner of Match 18

60 Winner of Match 9 v Winner of Match 5

61 Winner of Match 12 v Winner of Match 30

62 Winner of Match 16 v Winner of Match 33

63 Winner of Match 17 v Winner of Match 1

64 Winner of Match 7 v Winner of Match 27

65 Winner of Match 32 v Winner of Match 31

Third Round Ties

To be played on Sunday 25th November 2012

66 Winner of Match 49 v Winner of Match 51

67 Winner of Match 37 v Winner of Match 46

68 Winner of Match 35 v Winner of Match 63

69 Winner of Match 34 v Winner of Match 58

70 Winner of Match 48 v Winner of Match 40

71 Winner of Match 61 v Winner of Match 59

72 Winner of Match 56 v Winner of Match 43

73 Winner of Match 62 v Winner of Match 65

74 Winner of Match 38 v Winner of Match 47

75 Winner of Match 44 v Winner of Match 60

76 Winner of Match 39 v Winner of Match 36

77 Winner of Match 54 v Winner of Match 50

78 Winner of Match 64 v Winner of Match 53

79 Winner of Match 55 v Winner of Match 41

80 Winner of Match 45 v Winner of Match 57

81 Winner of Match 52 v Winner of Match 42

Fourth Round Ties

To be played on Sunday 20th January 2013

82 Winner of Match 76 v Winner of Match 70

83 Winner of Match 72 v Winner of Match 71

84 Winner of Match 77 v Winner of Match 67

85 Winner of Match 79 v Winner of Match 81

86 Winner of Match 73 v Winner of Match 74

87 Winner of Match 80 v Winner of Match 69

88 Winner of Match 78 v Winner of Match 75

89 Winner of Match 68 v Winner of Match 66

Fifth Round Ties

To be played on Sunday 17th February 2013

90 Winner of Match 86 v Winner of Match 84

91 Winner of Match 87 v Winner of Match 89

92 Winner of Match 83 v Winner of Match 88

93 Winner of Match 85 v Winner of Match 82

Semi-Final Ties

To be played on Sunday 17th March 2013

94 Winner of Match 91 v Winner of Match 93

95 Winner of Match 92 v Winner of Match 90

Final Tie

To be played on a date and at a venue to be confirmed kick off 10.30 a.m.

96 Winner of Match 94 v Winner of Match 95


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HughesVideo, your team must fancy their chances against Lord Morpeth. Lord Morpeth have no yet started their season (your team has already played a few games). This Sunday's game will be Lord Morpeth's first game of the season. You must be overwhelming favourites given that they have not played a game this season, AND they are in the 4th (bottom) division of their league (3 divisions below you).

Hope you post video highlights here no matter the outcome.


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HughesVideo, your team must fancy their chances against Lord Morpeth. Lord Morpeth have no yet started their season (your team has already played a few games). This Sunday's game will be Lord Morpeth's first game of the season. You must be overwhelming favourites given that they have not played a game this season, AND they are in the 4th (bottom) division of their league (3 divisions below you).

Hope you post video highlights here no matter the outcome.

According to Lord Morpeth's website (and information I have received from the London FA), they are now in the East London Sunday League, not the Hackney & Leyton. The East London Sunday League doesn't appear to have started yet either, but Lord Morpeth have been playing Pre-Season Friendlies every week and won them all.
Apparently they have signed up a lot of new players who have previously played Semi-Pro on Saturdays or in the Premier Division of the Hackney & Leyton League. We are not anticipating an easy match at all.

I am well behind on editing video highlights from our matches so far this season as I have to complete paid work first. (Got to earn a living !) Wink
I will be filming the Lord Morpeth match though and will post some highlights in a few weeks time.



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HughesVideo - last season Lord Morpeth finished mid-table in the 4th division (5th tier) of the Hackney & Leyton League. The fact that they went from H & L Div 4, to Div 1 of the East London Sunday League, tells you much about the standard of the ELSL.


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According to Lord Morpeth's website (and information I have received from the London FA), they are now in the East London Sunday League, not the Hackney & Leyton. The East London Sunday League doesn't appear to have started yet either, but Lord Morpeth have been playing Pre-Season Friendlies every week and won them all.
Apparently they have signed up a lot of new players who have previously played Semi-Pro on Saturdays or in the Premier Division of the Hackney & Leyton League. We are not anticipating an easy match at all.

...and I was right. We won 2-0 but Lord Morpeth were a decent side and their new signings have obviously made a difference. Very tough match for us.

Our match report is here: http://www.edmontonrovers.co.uk/matchreports.html
Lord Morpeth's match report is here: http://www.pitchero.com/...12603&official=0



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This coming Sunday (28th October) sees the Second Round of the London FA Sunday Junior Cup being played.
There are too many matches to cut & paste in here, but here's the link to the draw in full: http://www.londonfa.com/...cup/fixtures#round-2

Here are the ties and particular teams to keep an eye on...
Millwall Albion v. Mehmetcik
Millwall Albion are in mid-table in the top division of the East London Sunday League, while Mehmetcik are at the top of the second division in the Turkish Community Football Federation. I can certainly see Mehmetcik getting through to the Quarter-Finals at least, as we all know how strong that League is.

Clavisque v. Seven Acre & Sidcup
Clavisque are in the top division of the Edmonton Sunday League (in mid-table). Strange to see an Edmonton Sunday League side in a London Cup competition as their League officially don't allow their clubs to enter ! (Clavisque presumably didn't know ? :) ) Seven Acre & Sidcup are in the top division of the Kent Suburban League and are another one of these clubs where it looks like they should have been put in the Sunday Intermediate Cup, especially as their Saturday side are in the Non-League Pyramid (Kent Invicta League - Step 7 I think ?). They won 7-0 in the First Round and I can see them winning this one. Clavisque lost their last match 11-1 !

Beresford United v. Guzelyurt
Beresford United are in the top division of the much-enhanced Barnet Sunday League and they have a strong squad which includes Montsserat International Nyron Dyer amongst others. Guzelyurt are top of the second division of the Turkish Community Federation, so this will be a very interesting match-up.

Norstar v. Thames Borough
Thames Borough are top of the Premier Division in the Woolwich & Eltham Sunday League, so they clearly should be in the Sunday Intermediate Cup and should win this one easily.

AFC Avalon v. Inter Trac
Inter Trac (from the Barnet Sunday League) have lost a lot of good Semi-Pro players to Waltham Sunday League Premier Division sides Enfield Rangers and Percival this season, although they should win this one easily and are still good enough to get through to the Quarter-Finals (which I think they reached last season ?)

Albert Royals v. Enfield Royals
Albert Royals are top of the East London Sunday League's top division, and although Enfield Royals are in the bottom division of the Waltham Sunday League, they have got a lot of their players back from when they were a top Premier Division side in that League. Most of Enfield Royals' players play for Enfield Old Grammarians First XI in the Amateur Football Combination on Saturdays, and that is a very good standard. It wouldn't surprise me if Enfield Royals cause a 'shock' here.

London Maccabi Lions 'B' v. London Tigers Sunday
London Maccabi Lions 'B' Team actually seem to be better than their 'A' Team at the moment if you have a look at the Maccabi Sunday League's excellent website news pages...and of course London Maccabi Lions' 'A' Team enter the FA National Sunday Cup ! London Tigers could prove to be formidable opponents though, as they are currently top of the Asian Premier Sunday League and their Saturday team play at Step 5 in the Spartan South Midlands League. I would expect they probably use the same players ? This match is too close to call.

Tristars & Deloitte v. ADF Machico
Tristars have been the best team in the London Accountants League for some while and I think they reached the Quarter-Finals last season ? Portuguese team ADF Machico are currently top of the Southern Sunday League Premier Division. That League seems to have been strengthened this season, so they are likely to be a very good side. They won 9-1 in the First Round and I am taking them to win this one.

Cosmos United v. Burnt Oak Builders Merchants
Burnt Oak B.M. finished second only on goal difference in the Hendon Sunday League Premier Division last season and also reached the Semi-Finals of the Middlesex FA Sunday Premier Cup where they lost 3-1 to eventual winners Enfield Rangers. They are now second in the Barnet Sunday League Premier Division and won their First Round match 10-2, so yes...what are they doing in the LFA Sunday Junior Cup ? I will be very surprised if they do not reach the Semi-Finals at least.

Middlesbrough Supporters South v. North Acton
As has been mentioned on this Forum somewhere before, ex-pro Marlon Beresford is Middlesbrough Supporters' goalkeeper and last season they only conceded 8 goals in winning their Provincial Supporters League title by a mile. They also have other exiled ex-pros and Semi-Pros from up North playing for them and they should be far too strong for their opponents here.

And finally...
Edmonton Rovers v. Bromley Knights
My own team Edmonton Rovers are facing a side here who are currently top of the Premier Division (the second division down) of the very strong Orpington & Bromley Sunday League with 6 wins from 6 matches. However, we are in good form ourselves in Division One of the similarly strong Waltham Sunday League with only one defeat in our last 6 matches and that was to an unlucky last minute goal. It should be a cracking match and we are really looking forward to it. Full details can be found here on our club website if anybody wants to come over and watch: http://www.edmontonrovers.co.uk/fixtures.html

In the First Round we beat Lord Morpeth 2-0, and highlights of that match can be viewed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epUPuD0IQoM

For links to League tables of all Sunday Leagues in the London area, visit our club website Links page here: http://www.edmontonrovers.co.uk/links.html



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Great analysis Hughesvideo. Good job. Can you believe several weeks after the first round games in the Junior and Intermediate Cups, the LFA has STILL not updated the scores.Shocked

Highlighting the insanity of the LFA's seeding system, ADF Machico are in the Junior Cup this weekend, while another team from their division (Southbank) play Phoenix in the CHALLENGE CUP next weekend.


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Great analysis Hughesvideo. Good job. Can you believe several weeks after the first round games in the Junior and Intermediate Cups, the LFA has STILL not updated the scores.Shocked

It's also frustrating that there is still no archive of Adult LFA Sunday Cup results from previous seasons (apart from 2011-2012). I think they were all 'permanently wiped' when they changed the design of their website, so it would need somebody to go through the record books and manually type them all in again !
I would like to see what sort of history our opponents have in LFA Sunday Cup competitions and whether they have previously played teams that we have also come up against.

Another thing I forgot to mention (and consider) was the travel problems for Away teams, which is something you brought up a while ago, Stevegraze.
Burnt Oak Builders Merchants have a hell of a journey getting from Burnt Oak (Edgware) to Norbury.
Also, Bromley Knigts are meeting at 8.00.a.m. to get to us in Palmers Green. It could make a difference.

Another factor is that the clocks go back an hour on Saturday night. In the past, we have had players put their clocks forward by mistake, back two hours by mistake (because they forgot they had already done it), or they forget to alter their clocks at all. Players turning up after the kick-off more commonly happens in April when they go forward an hour, but we have had players turn up two hours early when they go back an hour at this time of year...then they think the game has been called off because nobody is there and they go back home to bed ! Smile



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Who is your money on to win the Cup? Seven Acre & Sidcup, ADF Machico and Bromley Knights (IF they get past Edmonton Rovers - no disrespect to your team) must fancy their chances.


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It's also frustrating that there is still no archive of Adult LFA Sunday Cup results from previous seasons (apart from 2011-2012). I think they were all 'permanently wiped' when they changed the design of their website, so it would need somebody to go through the record books and manually type them all in again !


...which is why the results we post on this thread are so important. Our threads might one day be the only record of previous LFA matches. I can tell you that managers/players from several teams come on this forum to "scout" their opposition and find out about past performances. Our posts on these Sunday league threads have encouraged people from some of the south-east's best teams to join this forum (Tripimeni, Baldon Sports, Akincilar, Barnes Albion, Hazelhurst, Greengate, Kenningwell Utd etc).



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Another thing I forgot to mention (and consider) was the travel problems for Away teams, which is something you brought up a while ago, Stevegraze. Burnt Oak Builders Merchants have a hell of a journey getting from Burnt Oak (Edgware) to Norbury. Also, Bromley Knigts are meeting at 8.00.a.m. to get to us in Palmers Green. It could make a difference.


Being drawn at home is a huge advantage in LFA cups. Even if players arrive on time, the fatigue from travelling, often decreases their performance level.

Players turning up late/early/not at all because of clocks changing is
comical! Laugh


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Who is your money on to win the Cup? Seven Acre & Sidcup, ADF Machico and Bromley Knights (IF they get past Edmonton Rovers - no disrespect to your team) must fancy their chances.

The winners of our game against Bromley Knights will most likely be Away to Dees Reserves in the Third Round. They play in Mitcham, so that will probably screw us up if we get through. I remember when we had to travel there to play their First Team in the LFA Sunday Challenge Cup about 8 years ago. Half our players came up with some pathetic excuses not to travel. We fielded a bare eleven and got battered 5-1...and it should have been a lot more.

As for likely winners of the Sunday Junior Cup this year, the two Turkish teams I mentioned have got to be in with a shout, but if it is not ourselves or Bromley Knights, I would go for Burnt Oak Builders Merchants. I haven't checked yet, but I would be very surprised if most of their players are not current or former players from the Ryman League.



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Hughesvideo, huge congrats for Edmonton Rovers' 1-0 win over the previously undefeated Bromley Knights today. You must be very proud. Plus this cup run gives your players a few extra "glamour" games this season. I told you Edmonton Rovers were better off in the Junior Cup! Wink

I presume a match report/video highlights will follow?


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Thanks Stevegraze. Yes, I should have highlights online by Wednesday and I will post the link here.
Definitely a Sunday Intermediate Cup-standard match as I predicted...as was Beresford United v. Guzelyert. 5-5 After Extra Time with Guzelyurt winninmg 5-4 on penalties. Sounds like a cracking match !

Here are the other results I have found so far from those matches I highlighted:
Norstar 1 Thames Borough 9
AFC Avalon 2 Inter Trac 5
Tristars & Deloitte 6 ADF Machico 3
Cosmos United 1 Burnt Oak Builders Merchants 4
Middlesbrough Supporters South 2 North Acton 0

(Marlon Beresford keeps a clean sheet again ?)
Albert Royals 1 Enfield Royals 2

In addition to that Enfield Royals result, the third team representing the Waltham Sunday League in this competition, Edmonton Blades, also had an impressive result in beating Gyro from the Camden Sunday League 3-2 Away. That means all three of us beat teams who were top of their respective divisions in their Leagues...which backs up what I have been saying for quite a while that the Waltham League is one of the strongest Sunday Leagues in the London area.

There are still quite a few results that I can't find, but I have only got one prediction wrong so far with ADF Machico losing to Tristars & Deloitte. I notice Tristars & Deloitte were beaten 4-0 by Bromley Knights in last season's competition.

Bromley Knights only had a squad of 12 against us yesterday but they were certainly all very good players with no weak links. Very fit with good passing and movement but they were missing their current top goalscorer and so were we, which probably explains the lack of goals. It was a very close game which could have gone either way.

We are now Away to Dees Reserves in the Third Round, so if we can get enough of our better players committed to travel to Mitcham, we should be able to get through that one.
In the Fourth Round we would then be Away to either Edmonton Blades, London Maccabi Lions B or London Tigers Sunday. I am still trying to find out the result of that LML 'B' v. LTS match, but if LML 'B' get through, either them or Edmonton Blades is a nice easy journey for us.
In the Quarter Finals (5th Round) though on the 17th February, it looks like we will be Away to Middlesbrough Supporters in Chiswick, and I believe they play in the afternoons ? That will most definitely cause us a problem. Unsure



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AFC Avalon v. Inter Trac
Inter Trac (from the Barnet Sunday League) have lost a lot of good Semi-Pro players to Waltham Sunday League Premier Division sides Enfield Rangers and Percival this season, although they should win this one easily and are still good enough to get through to the Quarter-Finals (which I think they reached last season ?)


Yes Hughes you're actually right in that we lost a number of players to Percival & Enfield Rangers however we have been lucky to replace them with equally talented and more committed players.

Last season was a steep learning curve for us, after a successful domestic first season, we had plenty of players wanting to join us who had played either semi-professional to a good standard or had recently dropped out a top professional academy. However, those players never wanted to come training and turned up to games when they felt like. So we were never able to field the exact same XI in any of our 36 games last season because of this.

This season we have a smaller squad but a more committed core unit so hopefully that pays off. Plus players who have left are still signed on, so can be called upon if they don't have another game on the same day.

As for the London Sunday Junior Cup, last season we made it to the Semi-Finals but were knocked out by the eventual winners Lord Stanley. They were a good side and took us apart in the first 30 mins. By the time we started playing the game was already lost.

This season we are quietly optimistic but you never know in this competition, but moving to the Barnet Sunday League should also be a benefit as there are more competitive matches. The old North London League had one division, 1 week you'd be playing a very good side and the next week you'd be playing a side equally as poor.

Anyway good luck, you never know Hughes we could be meeting in the final.

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Anyway good luck, you never know Hughes we could be meeting in the final.

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That would be good...but there are other Edmonton/Enfield-based sides who are in with a shout of reaching the Final as well.

Let's hope if that happens, the London FA can use the new Queen Elizabeth Stadium (Enfield Town FC) instead of us North London sides having to go to Tooting & Mitcham or Dulwich Hamlet and play in front of just a handful of supporters.



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Highlights from the Edmonton Rovers v. Bromley Knights match in the Second Round are now online here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YShJBYVOfYs

The London Maccabi Lions 'B' v. London Tigers match was abandoned for some reason and the London FA have now awarded the match to London Maccabi Lions.

As for the other missing results from the matches I highlighted, Millwall Albion beat Mehmetcik 7-6 After Extra Time, while Seven Acre & Sidcup were awarded their match against Clavisque, so it looks like the Edmonton Sunday League probably pulled Clavisque out when they found out they had entered when they 'shouldn't have done'.

Millwall Albion run a big Youth setup in the very strong Echo Junior League, so I would expect them to have some good players who have progressed to their mens' Sunday team from that. They are now Away to Inter Trac in the Third Round, so that should be a game worth watching.

One team I forgot about are Maronites. I didn't realise they are now in the top division of the KOPA League, albeit struggling near the bottom of the table. They beat Aberdeen Supporters 4-1 Away, and that sounds like a very good result. They could be another one to watch when the competition gets to the Quarter-Final stages.



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Great camera work in the Bromley Knights game as always Hughesvideo. Good job. I think it could have been a higher scoring game with more composure in front of goal. Another thing that struck me watching that video - is how rarely players slide tackle these days. Refereeing is much stricter nowadays. 10-15 years ago, tackling was far more brutal, and playing amateur football was as dangerous as taking a walk in mugger's alley at 2am!

Bromley Knights look a decent team...but certainly not the tearaway, runaway leaders that their results and league form this season suggest. Perhaps the OBDSFL's second tier has been weakened by the promotion of Groundhoppers and Baldon Sports to the Senior Div? Certainly looks like it is much easier for clubs to get good results now without those two clubs around.

I actually recall playing Millwall Albion many years ago. Good to see they are still going.


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It looks as if most of the Third Round matches that were due to be played yesterday (Sunday 25th November) were postponed because of waterlogged pitches, but my team (Edmonton Rovers) match Away to Dees Reserves was on and we managed to win 2-1.
The journey from Edmonton to Mitcham took just over an hour, and although we fielded a strong squad of 15 and all our players were up for it and at the venue in good time, we didn't play particularly well and it is definitely true that a long journey does affect performances in these competitions.
I now know how Bromley Knights must have felt having to leave at 8.00.a.m. to travel to us in the previous round.

The only other results I know about are:
London Maccabi Lions 'B' 4 Edmonton Blades 3
Apparently that was played on their 3G Astroturf at Rowley Lane. A report of that match is here on the London Lions website. We are now Away to London Maccabi Lions 'B' in the next round.
Green Oak Moreton 1 Kenningwell United Reserves 4
FC Cortez 2 Seven Acre & Sidcup 4
Thames Borough 2 CFC Flamengo 6
That result suggests that CFC Flamego (an undefeated side from Division Two of the Essex Sunday Football Combination) will be a team to watch out for, especially as that was the division Lord Stanley were in last season.
Sandmere had a walkover win at Home to Santley Lions



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Third Round match highlights: Dees Reserves v. Edmonton Rovers.
Now showing here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voON_5UuD74



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Congrats to your team HughesVideo. I think this is the furthest that Edmonton Rovers has gone in LFA competition for many years? I know you don't agree, but I still think it was better for your team to be in the Junior Cup. More confidence building victories, rather than being drawn against some ruthless trophy hunter Premier team in round 1.

The opposition were nowhere as good as Bromley Knights. The miss by the Dees number 14 at 3:25 is one of the worst I have ever seen. Why didn't he just calmly sidefoot it into the net?
When another Dees striker sidefooted the ball to your GK (rather than score!), who was the person who shouted "this is such a s*** standard. This is embarrassing."?


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Congrats to your team HughesVideo. I think this is the furthest that Edmonton Rovers has gone in LFA competition for many years? I know you don't agree, but I still think it was better for your team to be in the Junior Cup. More confidence building victories, rather than being drawn against some ruthless trophy hunter Premier team in round 1.

To be honest, I was not fussed either way, but our players were delighted to be in the Junior Cup.


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The opposition were nowhere as good as Bromley Knights. The miss by the Dees number 14 at 3:25 is one of the worst I have ever seen. Why didn't he just calmly sidefoot it into the net?

Maybe so, but the goal he scored later on was quality...and in my opinion the best scored against us so far this season.


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When another Dees striker sidefooted the ball to your GK (rather than score!), who was the person who shouted "this is such a s*** standard, this is embarrassing"?

That was our Manager. He was referring to that and the No.14's miss (which happened just before that).

The highlights are very misleading though. They were just about the only two incidents of bad play in the whole match. There was a lot of good football played which didn't lead to a shot on goal, therefore not in the highlights. For example, Dees Reserves did a 20-pass fast one-touch move at one stage of the Second Half, but we defended really well against it without diving in and eventually snuffed out the chance.

It was one of those games where you look at the opposition running onto the pitch with a load of overweight and/or ungainly players, many with their socks not pulled up properly, and players (and Managers) automatically think they are going to be 's***'.
They were a very good side and a lot better than we expected. Although their First Team had a League game on the next pitch, there was nothing to stop them playing First Team players in this match as they had not yet played in the London FA Sunday Challenge Cup this season thanks to a Bye in the First Round and a walkover against London Maccabi Lions 'A' in the Second. (Their First Team play their LFA Sunday Challenge Cup Third Round match this coming Sunday).

In fact I will predict now that we will go on and win the competition, beating seven teams who all go on to win their respective divisions this season...and in some cases top League title divisions. (Lord Morpeth, Bromley Knights, Dees Reserves, London Maccabi Lions 'B', Middlesbrough Supporters, Enfield Royals & Burnt Oak Builders Merchants).
How's that ? Wink

It could be that we might have had easier games if we had been in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup this season !?



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One thing I forgot to mention. The playing surface looked very green on the video. It seemed a very good surface for this level of football. Was that your impression too?

I think the Intermediate Cup would have been far tougher for you. The Junior Cup has many reserve teams (which is where they should be, the LFA got that right). Whereas the Intermediate Cup has the usual wide spectrum of quality with some top division teams that should not be there (Cetinkya, Pendaiya, Brotherhood, Antalyaspor, FC Team, Norton, FC Alpha, Convoys, Lord Stanley, Koture etc). You would have been very likely to play some of those teams had you gone into the Intermediate Cup.



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One thing I forgot to mention. The playing surface looked very green on the video. It seemed a very good surface for this level of football. Was that your impression too?

Yes it was a good surface, especially considering the amount of rain that fell the day before. The car park and surrounding grass areas were badly flooded, but it appears they have a full-time groundsman at this venue (the Westminster City School Playing Fields in Mitcham) who looks after the actual pitches.
They had a load of Youth Team matches being played over there straight after our game had finished.

I understand Old Westminster Citizens from one of the AFA Leagues use it as their home ground, and as we know, it is an AFA rule that First XI pitches have to be forked, rolled & sanded...or at least that's certainly the case in the Southern Amateur League.



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Millwall Albion run a big Youth setup in the very strong Echo Junior League, so I would expect them to have some good players who have progressed to their mens' Sunday team from that. They are now Away to Inter Trac in the Third Round, so that should be a game worth watching.


That was a good 3-2 win for Inter Trac yesterday in their delayed Third Round match against Millwall Albion.
How did the match go ? (If The_Player is about ?)

I also notice Middlesbrough Supporters won 2-1 Away to Tristars & Deloitte. I wonder if having Marlon Beresford in goal made the difference ?



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Firstly, congratulations on your win HughesVideo over Dees Reserves...

As for our game against Millwall Albion it was quiet a straight forward win as their keeper got sent-off for bringing down our striker so the match as an even contest was finished half-way through the first half...

We started the game well and took the lead in the first 15 mins, they slowly started to improve and equalised... Then around the half hour mark their keeper brought down our striker and gave away a penalty and got sent off... Our striker converted the penalty and they made it to half time still 2-1 down...

Early in the second half our striker got his hat-trick to make it 3-1 and then we proceeded to miss chance after chance, open goals, one on ones, free headers you name it, we missed it... Then with 5 minutes left they made it 3-2 which set up a nervy end to a game which we basically dominated from start to finish... Scoreline I feel flatters Millwall Albion

They're a decent well drilled side, tough tackling and a strong unit...

Hopefully we can push on from this but we're probably gonna lose a couple players who are moving back to France... So that will weaken us a little

Next round we'll face either Turk Ocagi London or Danson Albion B.... We knocked Danson Albion B out this tournament last season...



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Next round we'll face either Turk Ocagi London or Danson Albion B.... We knocked Danson Albion B out this tournament last season...

Danson Albion B beat Turk Ogaci 4-1 on Sunday.
Both teams are not doing particularly well in lower divisions of their Leagues (unlike who we have got to play in the next round), so it looks like you should be able to progress.

Not sure if I have mentioned it on here yet, but the Final is being played at Beckenham Town FC (10.30.a.m. Kick-Off) on the 28th April. That's a hellish journey for teams from the North London area, but nevertheless, an Edmonton Rovers v. Inter Trac Final would be good. Cool



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Danson Albion B beat Turk Ogaci 4-1 on Sunday.
Both teams are not doing particularly well in lower divisions of their Leagues (unlike who we have got to play in the next round), so it looks like you should be able to progress.

Not sure if I have mentioned it on here yet, but the Final is being played at Beckenham Town FC (10.30.a.m. Kick-Off) on the 28th April. That's a hellish journey for teams from the North London area, but nevertheless, an Edmonton Rovers v. Inter Trac Final would be good. Cool



Yeah if we have Danson Albion B again, then we will 100% fancy our chances to get through to the Quarter-Finals...

I dont really know much about our potential quarter-final opponents (Sandmere FC/Docklands FC/Poplar Boys FC)... However, seeing as Burnt Oak Builders Merchants are on our side of the draw, there's no way we can look past the Semi-Finals, let alone looking past the Quarters...

You must fancy your chances against London Maccabi Lions B... The Jewish league isn't what it used to be...



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You must fancy your chances against London Maccabi Lions B... The Jewish league isn't what it used to be...


Indeed...or so it appears.

There's an interesting column here on the Maccabi Sunday League website which suggests they have had a crackdown on non-Jewish players signing on to play for clubs in their League. I didn't realise that wasn't allowed !

As we know, in other community Leagues such as the TCFF and the KOPA, they allow two (or more ?) 'foreigners' to play at any one time, and in London Sunday Cup competitions, TCFF and KOPA teams can field all their best registered players all at the same time, no matter what their nationality/origin is...which is why they are so strong in the London Cups.

However, London Maccabi Lions are a well-run club and I'm sure their 'B' Team players will all be fit, quick and well-organised. We played North West Neasden 'A' from the Maccabi League a few years ago in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup and they had some very good players. They were the top team in the Maccabi League at the time but we only lost 4-3 After Extra Time, so hopefully that's a good pointer for us.



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As we know, in other community Leagues such as the TCFF and the KOPA, they allow two (or more ?) 'foreigners' to play at any one time, and in London Sunday Cup competitions, TCFF and KOPA teams can field all their best registered players all at the same time, no matter what their nationality/origin is...which is why they are so strong in the London Cups.


Yeah the KOPA & TCFF both allow 3 foreigners, I can't remember if its 3 Foreigners maximum on the pitch for your team at any one time or if its 3 Foreigners in your match day squad.

Looking at Jewish Maccabi teams results in the London Cups recently I can't really think of any strong performances,



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The draw for the 4th Round on Sunday 20th January is almost complete.
Full draw here: http://www.londonfa.com/...cup/fixtures#round-4

Enfield Royals (who are doing well in Division Four of the Waltham Sunday League) surprisingly lost 4-2 to White Hart Lane (who are struggling in Division Three of the Barnet Sunday League) in their 3rd Round match on Sunday (9th December).
I wonder what happened there ? I hope it doesn't give a pointer that the Barnet Sunday League is now stronger than the Waltham Sunday League following it's merger with the Hendon S.L. and the North London S.L. during the Summer ! ShockedSmile

It's also interesting to note that the Komi-Kebir v. Burnt Oak Builders Merchants Third Round match has not yet been played and there is no date listed for that match to go ahead on either the London FA website, the Barnet Sunday League website or the KOPA League website (which is pretty useless and rarely updated nowadays).
It won't be played this Sunday (16th December) because Burnt Oak Builders Merchants are playing a Middlesex Sunday Premier Cup Quarter-Final, having beaten West Park United in the previous round...and look how good they are !! Shocked

I am wondering if maybe the London FA have 'removed' Burnt Oak Builders Merchants from their Sunday Junior Cup after suddenly finding out that they obviously shouldn't be in this competition ?



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I doubt that the LFA has kicked out BOBM. After all, in recent seasons they allowed the likes of Tripimeni, Lapton, Yalova, Apoel etc to run riot in the Junior/Intermediate Cups when it was obvious to all and sundry they had no business being there. Plus it would be pretty harsh to remove a team mid-season if they have not broken the rules. If the LFA removes a team, it will more than likely be due to a player eligibility issue.


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I doubt that the LFA has kicked out BOBM. After all, in recent seasons they allowed the likes of Tripimeni, Lapton, Yalova, Apoel etc to run riot in the Junior/Intermediate Cups when it was obvious to all and sundry they had no business being there. Plus it would be pretty harsh to remove a team mid-season if they have not broken the rules. If the LFA removes a team, it will more than likely be due to a player eligibility issue.

Maybe there is now some sort of rule that has been brought in this season that crosses over between Counties when it comes to players not being allowed to play in Sunday Intermediate or Sunday Junior Cup ties if they have already played in a Sunday Challenge/Senior/Premier Cup match for their club this season...and the London FA have only just realised that BOBM have been doing that (in Middlesex) ?

I have had a quick look through the rule book though, and I can only find what has been in there for many years whereby it only applies to competitions within one County.
For example, we lost 4-2 (AET) to Frenford Sunday (formerly known as the all-conquering Libra Arms/Memorial Sports) in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup a few seasons ago when in the same season they won the Essex FA Sunday Premier Cup...using exactly the same players ! They didn't get done for playing 'ineligible' players in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup though, even though it was unfair in a way.

Maybe the rules should be changed so that these teams who enter two different Counties' Cup competitions at different levels are forced to play a Reserve Team/totally different players in the lower one ?



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That could work IF the LFA actually bothered to have divisional entrance criteria for its county cups. It might cause a problem with some counties that have 4 county cups (e.g. some counties have junior, intermediate, senior, and premier cups). How would they get consistency with the other counties that only have 3 county cups? Which cup in one county would be considered senior to that of another county?

It would also require some great cooperation between county FAs (unlikely).


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Maybe there is now some sort of rule that has been brought in this season that crosses over between Counties when it comes to players not being allowed to play in Sunday Intermediate or Sunday Junior Cup ties if they have already played in a Sunday Challenge/Senior/Premier Cup match for their club this season...and the London FA have only just realised that BOBM have been doing that (in Middlesex) ?


I doubt it. Highgate Alsbion have played in the Middlesex Premier Cup for years while simultaneously playing in the LFA Junior Cup. I am sure many teams on London's borders with Essex and Middlesex play in the LFA Junior or Intermediate Cups, then also play in the Premier cups of other counties (do any of the Waltham league sides do that?).



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For example, we lost 4-2 (AET) to Frenford Sunday (formerly known as the all-conquering Libra Arms/Memorial Sports) in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup a few seasons ago when in the same season they won the Essex FA Sunday Premier Cup...using exactly the same players !


Whatever became of that Libra Arms team? They won the Intermediate Cup twice (as Libra/Frenford Sunday). Which league do they/did they play in?




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Highgate Alsbion have played in the Middlesex Premier Cup for years while simultaneously playing in the LFA Junior Cup. I am sure many teams on London's borders with Essex and Middlesex play in the LFA Junior or Intermediate Cups, then also play in the Premier cups of other counties (do any of the Waltham league sides do that?).


No Waltham League teams have ever entered into two different Counties' Cup competitions in the same season, and the only team I can think of who used to affiliate to two Counties were the now-defunct Brimsdown Rovers, and that was only because their Saturday side handled the admin side of things. Brimsdown's Sunday side only ever used to go in the London FA Sunday Challenge Cup.

I must admit that I don't ever recall seeing Highgate Albion playing in the London Sunday Junior Cup. If they did, it could well have been their Third Team (or even their Fourth Team...I believe they used to run that many teams ?). Up until a couple of years ago, the London FA website didn't use to indicate on their Sunday Intermediate/Junior Cup fixtures & results pages whether it was a Reserve Team or a Third/Fourth Team playing it those competitions, and the only way you could find out was from searching through various League websites. Even now, invariably you have to click on the + button to find out !

I disagree slightly where you say there are many teams doing what Burnt Oak Builders Merchants are doing. I have found that in general, most Premier Division First Teams who are dual-County affiliated do enter the Challenge/Senior/Premier Cups for both their affiliated Counties. Most of these are from the Orpington & Bromley Sunday League (London & Kent) and the Morden Sunday League (London & Surrey). A lot of Sunday Leagues probably put the block on it for fear of fixture congestion.
That's why those who do slip the net (e.g. B.O.B.M.) should really be spotted.


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Whatever became of that Libra Arms team? They won the Intermediate Cup twice (as Libra/Frenford Sunday). Which league do they/did they play in ?


They were even better when they were known as Memorial Sports during the mid-2000's (in-between their Libra Arms and Frenford Sunday phases). I remember seeing a press cutting about them where they had broken all records for the most number of trophies in one season...and during the space of two or three seasons ?). That included winning the London FA Sunday Challenge Cup for Season 2002-2003, finishing Runners-Up the following season, and also winning the Essex Sunday Premier Cup at least twice.
As far as I can remember, they played in the Essex Sunday Corinthian League (under all three names). I think they folded up about 3 or 4 seasons ago when their Management Team decided to give Saturday football a try. I can't remember exactly who for. Possibly the Stansted/Redbridge Management team ? I don't think it was Frenford Senior in the Essex Olympian League.



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Highgate Albion have played in the LFA Junior/Middx Premier Cups for years. Look at this year's draw, which indicates that their FIRST team is in the LFA Junior Cup:
http://www.londonfa.com/...-junior-cup/fixtures

Their presence in the LFA Junior Cup has actually been discussed on another thread:
http://nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=280652;#280652


http://nonleaguematters.co.uk/...%20albion%22;#389251

Remember Greengate FC? (LFA Intermediate Cup winners in 2010, now merged with London Bari) They were also playing in the Essex Sunday PREMIER Cup. Also, Apoel FC of the KOPA League have got to the Herts INTERMEDIATE cup final twice.

This sort of thing seems to happen frequently.


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Highgate Albion have played in the LFA Junior/Middx Premier Cups for years. Look at this year's draw, which indicates that their FIRST team is in the LFA Junior Cup:
http://www.londonfa.com/...-junior-cup/fixtures


I stand corrected, although that is last season's competition, not this season's.
They are now running three teams in the Barnet Sunday League but none of them have entered the London Sunday Cups this season, only Middlesex...according to this: http://football.mitoo.co.uk/...LeagueCode=BARNT2012

Also point taken regarding Greengate. I didn't realise they had merged with London Bari. No wonder L.B. are very strong this year.

My main concern is when there is a two-competition gap (e.g. same team in the Challenge/Senior/Premier Cup for one County but the Junior Cup for the other). Crossovers between C/S/P & Intermediate and Intermediate & Junior are probably always going to happen somewhere, and as you said earlier Steve, some Counties (e.g. Middlesex and Essex) have two Sunday Junior competitions...a 'Cup' and a 'Trophy', which complicates matters even further.
The only answer for a fair seeding system for all Sunday football in London and it's surrounding Counties is to not allow clubs to enter more than one County Cup, but is that fair ? Probably not when some Leagues have only 6-8 teams in their top division (because of withdrawals) and the teams remaining need more fixtures ?



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http://nonleaguematters.co.uk/...?post=280652;#280652

The link I posted about previous discussion of Highgate Albion in the Junior Cup went to the wrong page. I reposted the correct link above.

Hughesvideo, I am shocked to see Highgate Albion's FIRST team bottom of the BSFL Premier division! Shocked They were a top side in the Hendon & District League. Either they lost many players or the BSFL is now a very strong league.

London Bari were always a good side, and they are clearly ambitious. Them launching a semi-pro Saturday team at step 5 (featuring many ex Greengate and London APSA players), and skipping steps 6-7 shows that. Their Saturday team also has a winger who plays for Clapton Rangers on Sundays (would have been odd if Rangers had met Bari in this season's Challenge Cup!).

Do you know how the Surrey, Middx, Kent, Essex and Herts FAs grade their Sunday county cups? Do they e.g. say "teams in the top division of league x MUST enter cup y"?


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Do you know how the Surrey, Middx, Kent, Essex and Herts FAs grade their Sunday county cups? Do they e.g. say "teams in the top division of league x MUST enter cup y"?


Yes they do.

In the Herts and Middlesex FA's it is a lot easier to administer though because there are not many Sunday Leagues affiliated with those Counties...and most of those Leagues have between 3-5 divisions.
Most of those Leagues are also roughly equal in standard.
It is therefore quite straightforward. If you are in the Premier/top division you go in the top Cup. If you are in the second (and sometimes third) division down you go in the Intermediate Cup, and if you are in the bottom two divisions you go in the Junior Cup(s).

I notice in the Herts FA, the Welwyn & Hatfield Sunday League now only has two divisions, so I'm not sure how they seed the teams in that League. (Haven't got time to look at the moment).

An example of why the London FA have such difficulty is the difference between the KOPA/TCFF Leagues and the Ford Departmental and Association Of Provincial Supporters Leagues. All four Leagues have only two divisions each, but there is a massive difference in standard between the KOPA/TCFF and the Ford/APSL. As we know, every team in the top division of the KOPA/TCFF Leagues are of Challenge Cup quality, but every team in the top division of the Ford/APSL are most definitely Junior Cup standard (and not even Intermediate).



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As we know, every team in the top division of the KOPA/TCFF Leagues are of Challenge Cup quality, but every team in the top division of the Ford/APSL are most definitely Junior Cup standard (and not even Intermediate).


HughesVideo - I think you may be surprised by this assertion if you draw Boro in the next round or so - a team that have already knocked out North Acton and Tristars and Delloitte.

We (Aberdeen) lost 4-1 to Maronites missing 7 starters, our goalkeeper and myself having an absolute shocker in a game that their manager described as being so 1 sided in the first half it was like a "training match" in our favour! They would perhaps finish top 3 in APFSCIL over the course of a season - it was just one of those days for us.....the "domestic trophies" are always the ones we more keenly contest anyway....

Having been part of a squad that won a Surrey Saturday Intermediate Cup fairly recently I can assure you that the top teams like Boro, Aberdeen and Celtic in APFSCIL would comfortably give your side a game given the footage I've watched so would not disgrace themselves should we wish to enter the Intermediate Cup (we ourselves have won games in the Int cup in the past with a weaker side but have preffered to try and win the junior - so far struggling with getting a strong team early in the season, and also struggling outwith our comfort zone of playing well behaved teams that wont try and leave the foot in....), so please refrain from the disparaging remarks about a league we are trying to develop - expect to see a few more APFSCIL teams to enter the Junior Cup next year.

Anyway - here is a wee taster of the APFSCIL Cup Final last year at Underhill, a personal favourite of mine! A man of your video skills will appreciate this!

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please refrain from the disparaging remarks about a league we are trying to develop - expect to see a few more APFSCIL teams to enter the Junior Cup next year.


Apologies for that. I didn't mean it to come out that way. Wasn't thinking straight at that time of the evening. Unsure

All I could go on was past experiences. We have only played one team from your League before (Leicester City Supporters). They were apparently the top team in your League at the time but we beat them 4-1 and they were a really poor side. That was in the London Sunday Junior Cup...but 21 years ago ! Unimpressed
Similarly, about 10 years ago we played the then top team from the Ford Departmental League (Ford Zetec), also in the London Sunday Junior Cup, and beat them 8-1. That is the only time we have played a team from that League.

It's good to hear that your League has improved. Thanks to you posting on here (on another thread), I know that we will be up against it if we end up playing Middlesbrough Supporters.
I'm pretty sure that the London FA now read these threads about Sunday football, so the more people from the smaller Leagues that post on here the better and it will hopefully help them place teams in the appropriate Cups. I actually think they have got the Challenge Cup just about right now, but the Intermediate & Junior Cups still need better seeding. I did say on another thread some while ago that it would be a good idea to have the winners & runners-up of smaller Leagues like the APSC going in the Sunday Intermediate Cup the following season and I should have mentioned that in my post last night.

Just a word on Maronites. They are currently bottom of the top division in the KOPA League having lost every match so far. They probably should be in the Intermediate Cup along with the better teams from Division Two of that League, but I still think the London FA should put all top division KOPA teams in the Challenge Cup. There is no way of knowing who is going to struggle in that division once the season starts.

Scottorae...I will watch that video when I get my Internet connection back next week. (BT cable theft...again). Having to type all this on the phone at the moment. Thanks for the link.



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I had not even heard of the Ford Departmental League before this thread. Goes to show how much football is played on Sundays.

Middlesbrough Supporters took Hendon Utd Sports (champions and treble winners of the Maccabi League) to ET in the Intermediate Cup last season.



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I'm pretty sure that the London FA now read these threads about Sunday football, so the more people from the smaller Leagues that post on here the better and it will hopefully help them place teams in the appropriate Cups. I actually think they have got the Challenge Cup just about right now, but the Intermediate & Junior Cups still need better seeding.


I really hope so. Tripimeni's expulsion from the FA Sunday Cup last season (for fielding ineligible players) occurred suspiciously soon after discussion on this forum about their players who were also registered to play for other teams... I also agree with you re seeding. About 90% of teams in the Challenge Cup this season are in their league's top division and they 'promoted' several teams from the Intermediate Cup (Yalova, Phoenix, Koture, Golden Eagles, Hendon Utd Sports, Omonia). I am pretty sure that was down to our "petitions" to the LFA about the haphazard entry.

The Junior and Intermediate Cups still need "fine tuning" to weed out a few teams that should not be in them (Bromley Knights, Lord Stanley, Highgate Albion etc). In fairness, the LFA have to deal with far more entrants/leagues than most other counties. It must be an extraordinarily hard job to keep track of which teams are in which division/league or have moved league. Unless someone is really dedicated and spends a lot of time researching, they cannot get it right.





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Just as an aside both Hatcham and Baldon from OBDSFL played in Kent & London senior cups last year but have only enetered one this year. I feel the legues themselves should have more influence over the clubs and insert something in their own rules. This takes the pressure off the County FAs. At the end of the season it can also be unfair on teams in their own divisions if they progress in both competitions. They usually get behind on league fixtures and other clubs' games can often become spread out with spare weeks (and hence lack continuity and form) at the end of the season - often affecting relegation or promotion. Why can't the County just add a question "do you enter competitons from another county?".

Hughesy -after your excellent result against BK if you keep on protesting aout them you'll make a case that you should have been in the intermediate (joshing really!)

Having entered sides into the Kent cups I can say there is no guidance given on which cup to enter by them.


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Hughesy -after your excellent result against BK if you keep on protesting about them you'll make a case that you should have been in the intermediate (joshing really!)

Funnily enough, we actually filled in our London FA affiliation form to enter the Intermediate, but they slung us in the Junior ! Wink

In fact I think there are at least 12 clubs who are playing in the Junior this season who should be in the Intermediate. I don't know whether, like us, they actually applied for the Intermediate on their forms but got put in the Junior to make up the numbers ?
The problem with the London FA has always been that they don't make it compulsory for all affiliated Sunday clubs to enter their Cup competitions. I have spoken to a number of teams over the years who say they don't even enter the Junior Cup. They think the standard will be too high for them because they play in the lower divisions of their Leagues, and also because the players are not committed enough after a booze-up the night before, so they don't fancy the travelling.
Subsequently, far more Challenge & Intermediate-standard clubs enter instead of the average 'Sunday Pub/beer-gut/Junior'-standard sides who just play for fun.

All three sides we have played so far (Lord Morpeth, Bromley Knights & Dees Reserves) have been extrememely well-organised teams who in my opinion would not have been out of their depth in the Intermediate Cup.



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Gents, slightly different tangent here but you are both obviously knowledgeable about London Sunday Football. Do you know of any other supporters teams that are currently in operation in London? We are keen to add more teams to the league for next year and will be starting the recruitment drive in the new year.

Thanks in advance


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Gents, slightly different tangent here but you are both obviously knowledgeable about London Sunday Football. Do you know of any other supporters teams that are currently in operation in London? We are keen to add more teams to the league for next year and will be starting the recruitment drive in the new year.

Thanks in advance


Most of the Non-League clubs I have filmed matches for in and around London on a fairly regular basis over the last 20 years or so have had supporters' teams, but very much just to play the occasional Friendly match here and there (invariably on a Saturday morning before their team's match in the afternoon).
I used to play for the Enfield FC Supporters team (the 'Green Lights') back in the 90's. Great fun, but there was no way we were ever going to enter a League. Too many of the players (including myself) were already playing for Sunday League clubs.

I remember filming a Friendly match a few seasons ago between Grays Athletic Supporters and Gravesend & Northfleet Supporters when I was filming for both clubs in the Conference. I think Grays Supporters won 10-0 or something, but there was no way either side would be good enough or organised enough to play in a League. Smile



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This coming Sunday (20th January) sees the Fourth Round (last 16) being played, although I suspect the forecast snow will put paid to that and all matches will end up being re-scheduled for the following Sunday instead. Nevertheless, here's a look at the teams involved:

Sandmere v. Poplar Boys
Sandmere play at Battersea Park and they are currently struggling near the bottom of the table in the top division of the two-division Central London 'Super' Sunday League. Whether that League really is 'super' I have no idea, as historically their member clubs rarely enter London FA Cup competitions, and with club names such as 'Jeffs Chippy', 'Barking Mad', and 'Bacardi Sagna' in the second division, it does give the impression that it is very much a 'fun' League compared to other Sunday Leagues in London. However, Sandmere won 6-0 in the Second Round (against a weak AC Milano 'B' side), but then they received a Bye in the First Round and a walkover in the Third Round.
Poplar Boys play in the top division of the two-division London City Airport League and they look to be a better side than Sandmere going by their current position in the table where they have games in hand on the leaders. They had a walkover in the First Round and then two good Away wins in the Second & Third Rounds.
I am taking Poplar Boys to win this one.

Seven Acre & Sidcup 'A' v. Asianos
Seven Acre & Sidcup's 'A' Team are one of the top teams in the Premier (top) division of the four-division Kent Suburban League. They also play at Step 6 on Saturdays in the Kent Invicta League and it looks like they probably should have been put in the London Sunday Intermediate Cup instead of the Junior. They had an easy 7-0 win in the First Round, then a walkover in the Second Round and a 4-2 Away win in the Third Round to a decent FC Cortez side from the Premier Division of the Metropolitan Sunday League.
Asianos are an Asian community team who run several adult and Youth teams in East London, with their adult teams all playing in different Leagues with varying degrees of success. This is supposed to be their team from the London Communties League, but it looks as if that League has now folded, so maybe it's their Ford Sunday League team instead ? Although they are doing well in that League, they have had relatively easy games so far to reach the Fourth Round and I cannot see them beating Seven Acre & Sidcup here.

Danson Albion 'B' v. Inter Trac
Danson Albion 'B' are doing quite well in Division One (the third division down) of the Woolwich & Eltham Sunday Alliance, while they had a really good 4-1 win in the last round Away to Turkish Community Football Federation side Turk Ogaci, although Turk Ogaci are a struggling side in the bottom division of that League.
As The_Player has said on here, his team Inter Trac reached the Semi-Finals of this competition last season and they quite rightly fancy their chances. They are currently in mid-table of Division One of the Barnet Sunday League, but that is now a very strong League following it's merger with the North London S.L. and the Hendon S.L. during the summer.
Although it's a long journey for them to South-East London/Kent, I can't see Inter Trac slipping up here and I expect them to get through.

Middlesbrough Supporters v. Woodford Wanderers
Although the Supporters' League (APFSCIL) is not as strong as other Sunday Leagues in London, Middlesbrough are always going to be a threat with Marlon Beresford in goal for them and a number of other (lesser known) ex-pros in their ranks. They have had three good wins so far in the first three rounds, none more so than their 2-1 Away win against the highly-fancied Tristars & Deloitte in the last round.
Woodford Wanderers are currently struggling near the bottom of Division One (the second division down) of the Maccabi Sunday League, but they do have a lot of games in hand. They had a Bye in the First Round and a walkover in the Third Round, and although they had a good 4-2 Away win in the Second Round, I will be surprised if they do that again here.
I am taking Middlesbrough Supporters to win this one.
Interestingly though, on the Maccabi League website, they have Woodford Wanderers down as playing a League match on this date. I wonder if they (or even Middlesbrough Supporters) have withdrawn from the London Sunday Junior Cup ?!

Guzelyert v. Maronites
Here is a clash of Turkish Community League and Cypriot (KOPA) League 'titans'. Well maybe not quite compared to other teams in those Leagues, but this will undoubtedly be a good-standard match. Guzelyert are currently second in the second division of the TCFF, and although Maronites are currently bottom of the top division in the KOPA League and without a point so far this season, we know how strong that division is with the likes of Tripimeni and New Salamis in it, so I doubt whether Maronites are 'mugs'. Both teams have had good results to get this far, with Maronites winning 4-1 Away to Aberdeen Supporters in the Second Round. (Is that scottorae's team ?)
I think I will go for Guzelyert to win this one, but it could well be very close.

White Hart Lane v. Kenningwell United Reserves
White Hart Lane play in Division Three of the Barnet Sunday League where they have improved considerably as the season has gone on. They provided one of the shocks of the last round for me when they beat a very strong Enfield Royals side (from the Waltham Sunday League) 4-2.
Kenningwell United Reserves look a very good side though. Although they are only in the fifth division down of the Orpington & Bromley Sunday League, they look like winning that division and we know that League is probably the strongest Sunday League in London at the moment. They have won their three Sunday Junior Cup matches so far by scorelines of 8-0, 5-1 & 4-1, so they are probably going to take some stopping. As with all Reserve Teams though, it's possible they may be weakened by First Team call-ups, while the long journey to North London from south of the river might also be a factor. If White Hart Lane can beat Enfield Royals, then they can beat anyone in this competition. I am going for them to sneak a win here, but it could be a close one.

Burnt Oak Builders Merchants v. CFC Flamengo
As has already been said on this thread, Burnt Oak Builders Merchants clearly should be in one of the more senior Sunday Cups. Their Third Round match Away to Komi-Kebir was played eventually, and as expected, BOBM came through that without any problems.
CFC Flamengo could be capable of giving them a really close game though judging by their two results so far. They had a Bye in the First Round, then an easy 9-3 win Away to Dulwich Tandoori Cobras in the Second Round, but it was their Third Round win Away to Thames Borough that was really impressive. Thames Borough are the top team in the five-division strong Woolwich & Eltham Sunday League, but CFC Flamengo blew them away, winning 6-2. CFC Flamengo look as if they will win Division Two of the Essex Sunday Football Combination this season, and as that is the same division that spawned last season's London Sunday Junior Cup winners Lord Stanley, it is clearly a strong League and there is a possibility that Burnt Oak Builders Merchants could meet their match here.
I will still go for BOBM, but be prepared for a 'shock'.

Finally...
London Maccabi Lions 'B' v. Edmonton Rovers (My own team).
We are quietly confident, having got through three really tough matches so far against in-form opponents. Although we are second from bottom at the moment in Division One of the Waltham Sunday League, we are having close matches against top-quality sides and the new younger players we have brought in this season are now starting to gel.
London Maccabi Lions 'B' will be really tough opponents though. It looks like they will win Division One of the Maccabi Sunday League this season and possibly even 'overtake' their 'A' Team...who play in the F.A. National Sunday Cup ! Their 4-3 win against our fellow Waltham Sunday League colleagues Edmonton Blades in the last round has since proved to be an excellent result as the Blades are most certainly a very good up-and-coming side.
With LML 'B' not having played since before Christmas, we will have a big advantage if this game gets played (on their 3G pitch by the way) this Sunday as we have played twice since Christmas and are match fit. Unfortunately the weather is likely to damage our hopes there as snow cannot be swept off 3G pitches. so it will be back to square one in terms of preparation and fitness by the time the game is played. We are hoping to get through, but we know it is going to be extremely tough, despite the Maccabi League allegedly not being what it once was (according to others ! Wink )



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Marlon Beresford doesnt play for Middlesbrough now as he took up coaching roles for Barnet and Northern Ireland U21's at the beginning of last season. He only made 1 appearance last season and hasn't made a single appearance this season.


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Marlon Beresford doesnt play for Middlesbrough now as he took up coaching roles for Barnet and Northern Ireland U21's at the beginning of last season. He only made 1 appearance last season and hasn't made a single appearance this season.

Thanks for the update.

I dare say they have a useful replacement going by their results so far though.



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Any London Cup games survived the weather?


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Any London Cup games survived the weather?

Not surprisingly, all the Fourth Round games were called off yesterday (20th January) and re-scheduled for the 27th, apart from Seven Acre & Sidcup v. Asianos, which is due to be played on the 3rd February.



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Let's hope for better weather this weekend then, it's thawing out over West London so far, hopefully that'll be the last of the snow...


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Good win for Edmonton, looks like the only game that went ahead last weekend.


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Good win for Edmonton, looks like the only game that went ahead last weekend.

Yes it went ahead last week because we played on their 3G Astroturf pitch. Highlights are here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N3Q7phdXM8

I'm not sure if any of the other 7 games will get played tomorrow. The pitches round our way (Enfield/Broxbourne Councils) were all called off waterlogged on Friday for this weekend, so that could be the case elsewhere in London.



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An injury time own goal, harsh!! Good thinking on the use of astro turf though.

Middlesbrough v Woodford Wanderers is scheduled to go ahead tomorrow as planned, unless there's a torrential downpour overnight, a lot of the other games in West London were called off on Thursday and Friday.


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An injury time own goal, harsh!!

We have been lucky in three of our four matches so far.
London Maccabi Lions should have been 2 or 3 goals up at Half-Time. We were the better side in the Second Half but we didn't deserve that winner to be honest.

Their No.7 (Sam Arghebant) was quality and ran the show. Must have played Semi-Pro somewhere I would imagine ?



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If you can't be good, be lucky. That's how you win cup competitions. Judging by your previous 4th round summary, Seven Acre and Sidcup and Burnt Oak Builders look like the two most likely teams to be contesting the final.


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Middlesbrough 7-1 Woodford Wanderers.


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Inter Trac beat Danson Albion 'B' 2-0.

Burnt Oak Builders Merchants v CFC Flamengo and White Hart Lane v. Kenningwell United Reserves were both postponed again and are now scheduled for Sunday 10th February.

I have no idea if Sandmere v. Poplar Boys, Seven Acre & Sidcup v. Asianos and Guzelyert v. Maronites were played today as none of the Leagues those teams play in put their County Cup results on their websites.
We'll have to wait for the London FA to update their own results/fixtures page later in the week.



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So Quarter Final draw so far is:

Middlesbrough Supporters South FC v Edmonton Rovers FC
Guzelyert FC v Burnt Oak Builders Merchant FC or CFC Flamengo
Seven Acre & Sidcup FC v White Hart lane FC or Keningwell United FC
Inter Tac FC v Sandmere FC or Poplar Boys FC


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All the Fourth Round matches have now been completed and the only one I got wrong in my predictions was White Hart Lane v. Kenningwell United Reserves. I said White Hart Lane might sneak it with Home advantage, but Kenningwell won 5-2.
The other matches played yesterday were Sandmere 1 Poplar Boys 5 and CFC Flamengo 1 Burnt Oak Builders Merchants 4.

The Quarter-Finals (to be played this Sunday 17th February) are therefore as follows:
Middlesbrough Supporters South v. Edmonton Rovers
2.00.p.m. Kick-Off at the Kings House Sports Ground, Riverside Drive, Chiswick W4 2RZ (on Civil Service First XI's pitch)
Guzelyert v. Burnt Oak Builders Merchants
Hackney Marshes 2.00.p.m. Kick-Off ?
Seven Acre & Sidcup 'A' v. Kenningwell United Reserves
Inter Trac v Poplar Boys

Not sure about the venues for the last two, but I think they are 10.30.a.m. Kick-Offs

I am not going to predict anything this time. They are all too close to call !



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I only tuned in for your predictions! Go on, give it a go...


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I only tuned in for your predictions! Go on, give it a go...

Think I'll leave it to Stevegraze thanks. Wink



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Does Steve play for Inter Trac?


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Does Steve play for Inter Trac?


Nope I do Wink

Have no idea about this weekends game, but I assume any side that has got this far must be half decent... So we're expecting a tough match!



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Well as I thought Boro would win their quarter final comfortably. Maybe the APFSCIL league isn't as low a standard as the Edmonton video man suggested?


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Middlesbrough 8-1 Edmonton Rovers

Any other quarter final results in?


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Well as I thought Boro would win their quarter final comfortably. Maybe the APFSCIL league isn't as low a standard as the Edmonton video man suggested?


Unless other teams from the APFSCIL apart from the current League Champions enter every year, we won't really know that, will we ? Unsure

Today's Quarter-Final results:
Middlesbrough Supporters South 8 v 1 Edmonton Rovers
Guzelyert 3 v 1 Burnt Oak Builders Merchants
Seven Acre & Sidcup 3 v 2 (AET) Kenningwell United Reserves
Inter Trac 3 v 2 Poplar Boys


Our keeper had a 'mare' today. We were 4-0 down after 21 minutes and 7-1 down at Half-Time. Middlesbrough had just 8 shots on target in the First Half ! It was brilliant finishing, and they are the best side we have played so far in that respect. We deserved to lose, but not by such a margin. I know they had a few ex-Pros and Semi-Pros playing, but as I am not familiar with the Northern Non-League scene, I dont know who was who.
Video highlights will be online later in the week. At least one of our keeper's howlers (their 6th goal) might make me a bit of money !? Wink

Good luck to Middlesbrough Supporters away to Seven Acre & Sidcup in the Semis. They clearly have a decent chance of winning the competition with that sort of firepower. (They won 7-1 in the last round against a half-decent team).



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Aberdeen and ourselves enter every year, though I accidentally entered us in the Senior Cup last year but they demoted us to the intermediate. We were unfortunate to get knocked out last season against Hendon Sports Club as my Son was born the night before so I missed the game which put us down to 11 men. Then our centre half got a career ending knee injury after 20 minutes when we were 2-0 up so had to play the remainder of the game with 10men. Hendon got a last minute equaliser and extra time was too much for the team and they scored 2 in extra time. Thought I'd try us in the Junior Cup this year and its been a good experience.

As you say, we seemed to score with every shot we had in the first half and your keeper had a nightmare. You're a decent team though with a good team spirit, maybe just lack at either end of the pitch with your keeper and a top drawer striker. You were a step above Woodford Wanderers who spent half the match arguing between themselves, which actually became a bit embarrassing! The Supporters league is a decent league, Division One is a pretty good standard with ourselves, Aberdeen, Celtic, Hibs and Exeter all very capable. Division Two is pretty average.

Possibly not surprising that the home teams all won, travelling definitely plays a key part. We don't have any ex pros on our books other than Marlon Beresford who's only played once in the last year. In fact, 2 of our lads hadn't even played 11-a-side until 2 seasons ago!

Thanks for the kind wishes, much appreciated, a good bunch of lads you've got there, good luck for the rest of the season.


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Thanks for the compliments LisbonLegend.

Yes, our lads did say they felt tired after the travelling. It took us well over an hour to get there. Also the 2.00.p.m. Kick-Off had an effect, as we are used to playing our League matches in the mornings.
Most of our players normally go to sleep on Sunday afternoons...and most of our defenders certainly were asleep in the First Half. Wink
We also played badly when we travelled for hours to get to Mitcham in the Third Round, but much better when we only had to go to Hackney in the First Round and Borehamwood in the last round. We were at Home in the Second Round and our opponents Bromley Knights were lethargic from the travelling for that one. I'm sure that was why we beat them, as they were one of the favourites for this competition.

Our keeper has actually been playing well this season and we had only conceded one goal in our four London Cup matches before today's game. We badly missed our Captain (midfield holding player) who was out with a broken hand, but we still had enough good players playing to have given you a closer game.
Your guys moved the ball into shooting positions quickly and we didn't. That was the main difference.
I haven't edited the video yet, but we probably had about 60% of the possession and about 10 corners to your none, but that counts for nothing if we don't shoot enough.



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Travelling is certainly something I'm wary of with a 10:30am kick off in Sidcup which looks a nightmare to get to. We might have to stay over in a hotel...

To be honest, it was something I noticed from watching your videos, you try and pass and move the ball about, you're quite a solid disciplined team but you don't get enough players forward in to key areas or move it forward quickly enough, you tend to play around teams rather than really hurt them. It was a bit like watching the Boro! Though today you got a few forward early on but had no real width and your centre backs got stretched as a result which gave us a few opportunities, was a strange end to end first half. I wasn't totally sure what formation you were playing when we got to half time....


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And the wind definitely played a part...


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Travelling is certainly something I'm wary of with a 10:30am kick off in Sidcup which looks a nightmare to get to. We might have to stay over in a hotel...

To be honest, it was something I noticed from watching your videos, you try and pass and move the ball about, you're quite a solid disciplined team but you don't get enough players forward in to key areas or move it forward quickly enough, you tend to play around teams rather than really hurt them. It was a bit like watching the Boro! Though today you got a few forward early on but had no real width and your centre backs got stretched as a result which gave us a few opportunities, was a strange end to end first half. I wasn't totally sure what formation you were playing when we got to half time....


That was a big mistake our Manager made. He went 3-1-4-2 instead of 4-4-2 (which we played last week when we beat a good side in a League Cup match). Although it has worked for us in the past, we had the wrong players playing in our back three and they didn't mark up properly. It didn't help that our keeper was sulking after his first minute booking and then conceding from the resulting free-kick. He should have been calling the defenders but didn't say a word for the rest of the half. He nearly went home at Half-Time...and he would have done if we had had another keeper on the bench !
His grumble about that first-minute incident was that he threw the ball out of the area to drop-kick it, but the Referee gave the free-kick from 50 yards away when the neutral Linesmen on our side should have made the decision. The Lino said he didn't see it though because the sun was in his eyes ! Our keeper always takes his drop-kicks by throwing the ball forward out of his area while he is still standing in his area...being careful that his hand is not still on the ball as it goes over the line, then kicking it when it is outside the area. Most Referees (including the one we had today) give a free-kick because they assume that as it was kicked outside the area, the ball must have been tossed up outside the area for the drop-kick.

You are right about the wind (behind you in the First Half). As soon as the Second Half kicked off, it stopped completely !

Chiswick to Sidcup is indeed a difficult journey, although it will be easier in the morning. You have just got to get used to getting up early...like we do. Good luck with that one. It's not easy ! Wink



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Ah, so that's the formation you were playing, it was baffling me. Unfortunately, it left your back 3 cruelly exposed as our wide men had acres to run in to unchallenged but then when you went forward you'd have 4 men up top pushing on our back line. We did have a few corners in the 2nd half I believe, as I was in the box for them, unless my mind is playing tricks on me and they were free kicks.

Yes, you're keeper did lose his marbles and he wasn't particularly complimentary about Northerners at one point, which is odd as we're a lovely bunch of folk.Angelic

I'm used to getting up early as I have a 1 year old who gets up at 06:30am every morning, it's the long distance travelling and then playing football in the morning I'll have a problem with. I live in Ealing which is even further away from Sidcup, I'm sure it'll be a great experience but I'll be pleased to get back to my afternoon kick offs!


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Yes, you're keeper did lose his marbles and he wasn't particularly complimentary about Northerners at one point, which is odd as we're a lovely bunch of folk.Angelic


That will have been a wind-up comment aimed more at himself, as he is from Stoke. (I presume Stoke is classed more as 'Northern' than Midlands ?)
He shouts out 'Oh you useless Northern c***' at himself at least once every match...usually after he has just sliced one of his own drop-kicks out of play. Laugh



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Fair enough, he'll have probably said it a few times today then!Smile


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Wow... A bit of a surprising result the 8-1...

As for ourselves we actually played away in East London, we play at Chalk Lane, Cockfosters FC but our pitch was deemed unplayable as it was waterlogged aparently. I can't remember much rain last week but i reckon the groundsmen was probably just trying to preserve their pitch.

Our game was a close affair, we went down twice and scored a winner in the last minute. It was a proper away game for our boys, they had alot of support so we done well to win.

Burnt Oak apparently missed tons of chances today and felt ideas just one of them days.

Guzelyert will be a tough game for us judging by Burnt Oaks report.

I knew LisbonLegend was from a club still in the competition... Good Result



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Great comments by everyone. Looking forward to the video. HughesVideo, after getting far in this season's Junior Cup, will you enter your team in it going forward?

LisbonLegend, I recall your bad luck in that game against Hendon Utd Sports last season. Had you gone through you would have faced Lapton. That would have been a very stern test of your team and league's quality. I saw Hendon's game against Lapton when Lapton steam rollered them 7-1.


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Great comments by everyone. Looking forward to the video. HughesVideo, after getting far in this season's Junior Cup, will you enter your team in it going forward?


I suspect we will be in the LFA Sunday Junior Cup again next season, yes.

I doubt whether the London FA will recommend that we go back in the Sunday Intermediate Cup for next season after this result ! Wink



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I don't know any of the teams left in other than ourselves but they all sound like excellent teams. I think the teams drawn at home will have a key advantage but we'll see how it goes. Does anyone know anything about Sevenacre & Sidcup, it sounds like they have a few semi pro players in their ranks from what's been written on here?

Hi Steve, are you affiliated to any club, involved with the FA or just an interested spectator? That Hendon game was the only one I missed last season so was disappointing that we lost out the way we did but sounds out we may have had a lucky escape avoiding Lapton.Cool


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Sorry I meant to reply to you here rather than privately Lisbonlegend. Guzelyurt are a dangerous side going foward with their main striker (Junior) being the main source of all there goals and I think they rely too heavily on him. My side managed to inflict so far there only league defeat on them this season and in all honestly it was a proper smash and grab job where we nicked a couple of goals but had to defend for most of the second half but they will definitely give you a chance at the back for sure as even though we had to defend we had at least 3 or 4 break aways to increase our lead that we didn't take.


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Do you go out to hit them on the break or did the match just go that way?


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The match evolved that way, we were 2-1 up at half time and they had a massive row between themselves. Second half they had most of the play and were doing everything to score but couldn't we then had a few decent breakaways and should have scored a third but it finished 2-1. If you get to play them I think you will have a great chance as sounds like you've got a few decent players so should be more of an even contest and you should have more of the possession, our team in that match did not have many semi-pro standard players and as such had to work very very hard to get that result.


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Sounds like they're a feisty bunch! Hopefully we will get chance to play either them or Inter Trac but judging by the fact that at least half the Sevenacre&Sidcup team are playing at level 10 in the league pyramid, I'll not bother looking that far ahead just yet. Did your team enter the Junior cup this year Darney?


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I assume you play for Ihlara as they're the only team to beat them this season.


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Not in a fighting sense they're not, they are just used to winning. Yes I play for Ihlara Valley Association and no we didn't enter the Junior cup unfortunately as this is our first season as a team and everything was a bit rushed getting formed etc so don't think they got round to it but we will be entering next season for sure. I have played in the Junior Cup before myself for other sides the furtherest I have been so far was the semi's 3 seasons ago with Woolwich 90 then the quarters the following year, I've also played in the saturday version of the London Junior cup and the Senior cup.


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Highlights of Edmonton Rovers' 8-1 Quarter-Final thrashing by Middlesbrough Supporters South are now online here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gRg14TtyWc

Features our 'comedy keeper'...the howler on 11:20 being his worst moment of the match, but a lot of the goals were down to our wide midfield players (No.18 and No.10) both marking the MSS full-backs instead of their left & right midfielders (No.11 and No.7) and/or just switching off defensively, leaving our back three too exposed.

We got as far as the Quarter-Finals just through individual ability, player fitness/work-rate and playing mainly a straightforward 4-4-2 system. We have been experimenting with different systems in our League matches and having close games, even though we are second from bottom in the Division One table, but our Manager decided to play three at the back in this game and it backfired badly.
We have got too many new young players this season who have come from totally different sources and they are still getting to know each other's games. That's why our build-up play is too slow and we don't create enough chances, even though we often dominate possession through good technique and short passing.

MSS's two forwards (No.9 Alfie Burke and No.17 Johnathan Gallagher) were both quality as a partnership and the best attack we have come up against so far this season, while their right midfielder (No.11 Lee Gutcher) was their best player (in my opinion). Frightening pace.

LisbonLegend...did I read on your club website somewhere that Gallagher is an ex-Birmingham City player ? I assume Burke and Gutcher must have played a very high standard on Saturdays somewhere in the North-East ? Any idea who for ?
I notice Burke got a hat-trick and Gallagher got 4 in your 7-1 win in the previous round (against a Woodford Wanderers side featuring Enfield Town (Step 3) forward Mitch Hahn). Those two are going to take some stopping.

Talking to those of our players who bothered to turn up to training last night...and understandably there were not many !...they thought that most of our previous opponents (and particularly London Maccabi Lions 'B') were stronger defensively and in the centre of midfield, so that is where Seven Acre & Sidcup might have a chance if they can defend well and keep MSS's strike-force out. I'm sure that match will not be anything like our Quarter-Final and it may well go to Extra-Time & Penalties.

I don't envy Inter Trac having to play Guzelyert in the other Semi.
We know how the Turkish & Cypriot teams always bring in extra top-quality Semi-Pros once it gets to this stage.

Good luck to all. Hopefully we can put up a better show next season once our new players have got to know each other a bit more.



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Affiliated to too many Saturday and Sunday teams for my own good!Cool
Perhaps fortunate to avoid playing Lapton! Wink Playing them last season was a soul destroying experience for teams unfortunate enough to run into them. They scored 25 goals in their first 3 games in the Intermediate Cup last season, and got to the semi-finals. Even then, they narrowly lost the semi-final 0-1 only due to some astonishing indiscipline, arrogantly underestimating their opponents by resting players and playing strikers in defence, and playing about 70% of the game with 10 men after their GK got sent off early in the game. Amazingly, they could still have won the game and spent most of the second half camped in their opponent's half! The fact that they hammered Hendon 7-1 tells you much about Lapton (Hendon were runaway champions of their league, and treble winners).


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Thanks for the highlights, shows the game as I remember it, very open and your team being without much shape. It would have been interesting to see how the game panned out if you'd gone 442. No, Johnathon Gallagher has never played professional football. Lee Gutcher was one of the players who had never played 11aside football before until I signed him up 3 years ago and Alfie Burke has been in the army so hasn't played much either.

I think you're being a bit unkind to the rest of our team, particularly considering the formation you were playing with a packed midfield and 4 up front at some points. From the videos I've watched of your recent games, only the bald headed midfielder for Maccabi Lions would get near our team in my opinion. It's all about the balance of the team, no point being able to defend if you can't score and vice versa. Also, remember you played Maccabi on astro turf and not on a bumpy pitch, makes a massive difference. I think that's one thing that will affect our semi final match judging by the recent photos of the Sevenacre pitch. Time will tell on our semi final, we're just enjoying the ride, if we lose to Sevenacre then they'll have had to work very hard for the result that's for certain.


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I wished we'd had chance to play them. Why were Lapton so good then, were they paying their players?


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I don't think they pay their players. They have have exceptionally good players (especially their attackers) though. Many of their players have step 3-5 Saturday football experience, ranging from Chesham Utd in the Southern League, to Canvey Island in the Ryman Premier, to Enfield in the Essex Senior League. At one time they had ambitions of ditching Sunday football to become a semi-pro Saturday pyramid team. However that proved difficult since many of their players already have Saturday clubs!

Are you sure you would have liked to play them? Wink Here is the match report of their massacre of Hendon Utd Sports:
http://nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=371781;search_string=lapton%20undefeated%20hendon;#371781


The fact that they won their league title for 8 consecutive years, and were undefeated for the first two and a half years after they formed, created an intimidating aura around them. That made it easy for them to get really good players to play for them.

Everyone that has faced their winger Abdul Johnson admits that he is the most talented player they have ever seen at this level. His pace is devastating. Playing against him is a bit like facing Andrei Kanchelskis on steroids! Had Lapton actually bothered to enter LFA Cups every year, they would probably have at least 4 county cups in the bag by now.


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Cheers for that Steve, it's a shame we didn't get the opportunity to play them, though I'm not a fan of arrogant Sunday league footballers, which is what they sound like. When I took over MSS we were a shambles, barely had a team, finished 2nd bottom and 2 seasons later we've won the league and cup for the first time in our history and are now in the semi final of a county cup for the first time. It's all about progression and just trying to do a little bit better than we did in the previous match but also about showing respect for any opposition we meet, maybe I'm just old fashioned.


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Gosh, how did you manage to turn your team's fortunes so quickly? New players? New management ethos? Both? From the Edmonton Rovers video: your team's finishing is very sharp (especially Alfie Burke's goal for the 5th). You punished Rovers for their mistakes (the GK's howler was just epic, he actually took the ball TOWARDS his goal to help Alfie score!). Laugh

Have you found the quality of play in LFA Cups to be lower or higher than your league?

Yes, Lapton are good, and they KNOW it. Their confidence crosses over into arrogance at times, and they forget that playing against them is everyone else's cup final. I spoke to someone who played against them in the Intermediate Cup semi-final last season. The guy said Lapton were the better team but messed themselves up on the day with their antics (GK running 30-40 yards out of his goal to scream at a linesman and get an early straight red card for dissent, top scorer turning up late for an LFA semi-final, striker playing in defence, most experienced defender and star striker on bench, outfield player in goal, playing 70% of game with 10 men etc etc). The guy told me that Lapton "thought they were already in the final". You can get away with those sort of antics in the early rounds when playing against teams overawed by their reputation. However by the semi-final stage, teams tend to be used used to winning, champions of their league, and are not intimidated by anyone.

By the time Lapton realised they were in a game and took their opponents seriously (2nd half), they were already a goal down. Have to give them credit for laying siege to their opponents' goal in the second half, and for throwing everything but the kitchen sink at them (even though they only had 10 men). So much talent, but messed up by their indiscipline and arrogance. http://nonleaguematters.co.uk/...ul%20kanaris;#388007


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Cheers for that Steve, it's a shame we didn't get the opportunity to play them, though I'm not a fan of arrogant Sunday league footballers, which is what they sound like. When I took over MSS we were a shambles, barely had a team, finished 2nd bottom and 2 seasons later we've won the league and cup for the first time in our history and are now in the semi final of a county cup for the first time. It's all about progression and just trying to do a little bit better than we did in the previous match but also about showing respect for any opposition we meet, maybe I'm just old fashioned.



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I played for MSS since 2007 but it was basically the managers uni mates and a small handful of Boro fans. As he left Uni and lost interest the team fell apart, we ended up with 8 men and getting hammered at times or cancelling games. The manager quit at the end of the 2009-10 season and if I hadn't of taken over, the team would have been no longer. I decided if I was going to do it we'd do it properly, as I spent most of my years playing in the Northern League back home I think I know a little bit about football.

So we got new kit, training gear, recruited new players via social media and as you mentioned, changed the ethos of the team. Those players that had previously tossed it off were weeded out and we had the best season in MSS history, finishing 3rd (should have been 2nd!) and won the league cup at Hayes & Yeading.

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At the start of last season I decided to form a 2nd MSS team as our squad had grown significantly. The first team won the league for the first time in our history without losing a game and narrowly lost the cup final to Aberdeen in extra time at Barnet FC. The club continued to grow on the back of our success and so I formed a 3rd MSS team to play in the league. Our 2nd team is currently top of Division Two and our 3rd team is mid table so it's been a good few years of growth, which has helped sustain the numbers in our league, of which I am also vice chairman of.

The APFSCIL Division One is small but strong whereas Division Two isn't great. So far I've found the county cup to be a mixed bag, North Acton were a strong team as were Tristar & Deloitte but the rest have been much of a muchness, the main difference I've found has been the mentality of some of the teams. It's enjoyable though and I expect the semi will be a real step up in class so looking forward to it.


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So have most of your players played Saturday pyramid football, like you did in your Northern League days?

What do you mean by "the main difference I've found has been the mentality of some of the teams" (when referring to the standard of play in LFA county cups). Also, I've also wondered why northern teams dominate the FA Sunday Cup. Having played up north, would you say the standard of Sunday football up north is better than Sunday football in the south?



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The simple answer is no, 3 of the lads have played pyramid football plus myself and I'm 37 in 2 weeks time but I reckon 3 more could if they had the inclination. As I mentioned earlier, 2 of our lads hadn't played Sunday football before playing for MSS, including the player Edmonton felt was our MotM on the day. It's more about the team than individual players, everyone gets on well on and off the pitch, works hard for one another to make us difficult to beat and you add in a bit of quality and that's it really. We've been together 3 years, we've had pretty much the same squad of 16-17 lads and grown together.

I meant that in our league theres a general respect amongst all the supporters teams and genuine teamwork and i don't always see that in the London FA Cup. Theres an arrogance among some teams or players they think they're better than they are. Maybe they turn up expecting to beat us cos they think we must be crap or maybe it's to do with the demographic they were raised in, I'm not sure. Woodford Wanderers ended up arguing between themselves like a bunch of kids and the last 20 minutes became embarrassing, you would never get that up North or even in our league. I have to say that Edmonton had a very good team spirit and despite being 7-1 down at HT never argued between themselves and kept going which is how it should be. It's interesting for us as exiles to see the different teams, styles and mentalities London has to offer, I'm sure the Turkish/Cypriot teams have their own style as Sevenacre & Sidcup will, they'll probably think the same of us.

It's difficult to compare the two areas because London is so big, it'll have some top teams and some crap teams. Reading your thread about Lapton and some of the teams with Level 4 players in they must be real quality there because you don't reach that level if you're crap. This is only our 2nd year in the County Cup so we're still feeling our way, we played North London Olympians reserves last year and they were a very physically strong outfit with some good players but they didn't play like a team. By all accounts, if we hadn't have ended up playing Hendon with 10 men we would have beaten them from what my team said but its difficult to gauge where we are as a team and how good Sunday football is down here. We're in the lowest Sunday Cup so only getting a taster of what's out there. If the Missus would let me out on a Sunday morning, I wouldn't mind heading out to watch Lapton and others!

Edmonton felt we only beat them because of our strikers so time will tell how we fare against Sevenacre. I'm sure they'll watch the video and read this and do their homework on us, whereas Edmonton didn't have that luxury. We'll just keep trying to improve, though we're hampered by the fact our players need to support the Boro, there's not many of us left nowadays!


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Very interesting. It must actually be harder managing a team in your league as you have such a small pool of players to choose from (since players must be supporters of team [x]). Really difficult! Teams in the Cypriot and Turkish leagues probably have the same issue (albeit with ethnicity).

Also interesting that the attitude of London teams is not as positive as up north. Since there are so many London Sunday leagues, some teams can get "big fish in little pond" syndrome if they are very successful in their own league's bubble. However they then get shocked when drawn against superior teams from other leagues in county cups. It is a shock to the system for a team that are table-toppers in their league to be taken apart by a mid-table team from a stronger league.

I saw a northern team play a London team in the FA Sunday Cup last season. The northern lads came down to London with a full contingent of their supporters, and outnumbered the London team's fans by about 20-1 even though it was a home game for the London team! I did chuckle when their fans barracked the London players for being "stupid soft southern ****"! Laugh

NLO's first team play in a strong league (Harrow Challenge Sunday League). Not sure how far behind their Reserves are from that standard.

Sevenacre & Sidcup will be a good test for your team. Their Saturday team plays at Step 6 in the Kent Invicta League. I wonder if they will bring in any of their Saturday players since this is a semi-final? If you reach the final you will be "promoted" to the Intermediate Cup next season. You get more of a variation in quality there with both poor and quality teams ending up in there. Some of the Premier teams from stronger leagues slip through the net and go in the Intermediate Cup (instead of the Challenge Cup). That is how Yalova and Lapton ended up in there last year, instead of the Challenge Cup where they belong!

If you want to get a good sense of the quality of Sunday football in London, organise some pre-season friendlies next season against teams from the KOPA, Turkish, Hackney & Leyton, Sportsmans Senior, Metropolitan Sunday, Morden & District, and Orpington & Bromley District leagues. The first 3 leagues have lots of teams based in central, north and east London. The Sportsmans Senior league is mostly west London (but suffered a recent drop in quality when their two best teams departed). The last 3 leagues are mainly south London based. Playing teams from the top divisions of those leagues will give you a good sense of how far your team has come. Teams in the top division of those leagues generally play in the Challenge Cup, and are full of step 4-5 players. If you can hold your on against them, your team has nothing to fear.


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MSS has around 1,000 members in the capital and obviously there's only a % of that are young lads who are decent at football and want to play. We have a London Scottish team who in theory should have a larger pool of players to choose from. There's no rules governing the fact that teams need a % of their teams supporters, as Glasgow Rangers seem to have a different team each week, we choose to have a full Boro team. It's less likely to fall apart of there's a common interest, the plan being that when I eventually leave it will continue to run for years to come.

I think that because of the size of the towns / cities there's a bit more local pride at stake up North and it means a bit more. I haven't seen a team argue like Woodford since I played in the Junior leagues. Had a look at Sevenacre and they have at least 6 players from their Saturday team playing including the goalkeeper by the looks of it. Their pitch looks in a right state, might have to play route one football in that game. If we did reach the final, I would probably apply for the intermediate cup next season anyway, if we fall short then it would be good to have another crack at the Junior cup.

Not a bad shout regarding preseason friendlies, could be a good way to learn a bit more about what's out there. You seem to know a lot about London Sunday football!


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Edmonton felt we only beat them because of our strikers so time will tell how we fare against Sevenacre. I'm sure they'll watch the video and read this and do their homework on us, whereas Edmonton didn't have that luxury. We'll just keep trying to improve, though we're hampered by the fact our players need to support the Boro, there's not many of us left nowadays!


Slight correction. Wink We felt you only beat us 8-1 because of your strikers. You had 12 shots on target and scored 8, and you only had 4 shots off target. That ratio of finishing and getting shots on target from chances created is quality at any level. No question that you were the better side and we deserved to lose, but normally we would probably have only lost by a two-goal margin the way the game went in terms of chances created by both sides. Maybe 4-2 to you would have been a more accurate reflection of the game.

Interesting point about the video availability.
In our League matches (and probably in the London Cup as well), more or less every team we play turn up with a full-strength side because it's not often they get a chance to be professionally filmed playing football and then see the highlights on You Tube (or on DVD if they want to see the full match).
Whether teams analyse our matches on You Tube before they play us, I don't know. Liam Daish, Ebbsfleet United's Manager, has actually stopped me putting highlights of their Home matches on You Tube for fear of opposing Team Managers learning too much tactically, but I don't think that sort of thing affects Edmonton Rovers too much. Do Sunday League teams really have the commitment to study our highlights for tactical advantages ? Did you do that, Lisbonlegend (just out of interest) ?

As it happens, it is also a lot easier for us (Edmonton Rovers) to find out about our London Cup opponents in advance nowadays than it was 10/15/20 years ago.
Thanks to Scottorae posting a link on here, I was able to see a bit of Middlesbrough Supporters South in action on You Tube, and there is plenty of info on their website which we all had a read of before we played them. Most Sunday clubs that enter the London Sunday Cup competitions will either have a website, some clips on You Tube, a Facebook or a Twitter page somewhere, not to mention their own League websites. Back in the 80's & 90's we had nothing whatsoever to go on apart from the previous week's result in a local paper.



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Thanks for that, appreciate the clarity. I watched about 10 of your games on YouTube several times over, I tried to work out your style, strengths and weaknesses. I mentioned to my right back that your winger always cuts back on his right foot and my player said he did that every single time so was nullified, I noticed that your keeper wasn't very mobile so there would be space in behind your defence, that you didn't appear to have an out and out striker and one or two other things. I expected a 442 so was surprised by the space on the flanks so told my wide men to push up and let the full backs mark as they were too deep and that killed the game off early on. I thought you looked a very disciplined side who were difficult to break down but didnt score too many so i thought the first goal would be crucial and we may have to be patient. So in answer to your question, your videos helped a lot in making sure there were very few surprises for us. This time it will work against us as teams will know a bit of what to expect against us now, though we did have a few missing against you and it's a bit misleading because of the formation you played. I just love football though so not sure whether all your opposition bother or whether I'm one of the exceptions to the rule.

I never put our tactics on the MSS match reports for the same reason and even thought about putting in formations that mislead teams!Wink. Its interesting that you did a bit of digging on us, though you seem very thorough in all your prep and admin so I'm not surprised. i'd be interested to know what you thought you'd be facing. I've found very little on Sevenacre other than they're a good team so if we prepare as if we're playing Man Utd we can't go wrong...!


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I think our own players were expecting a 4-4-2 as well to be honest ! Our Manager likes experimenting with different formations to try and fool our opponents, but it didn't work on this occasion because the two players he put as wing-backs/wide midfielders were forwards who simply didn't want to defend. Even though you deliberately pushed your wide players on, our wide players should have gone back with them when you were in possession, then we could have hit you on the break.
The problem we have is that we have got so many new players this season, we are still trying to find their best positions. We have really only been getting results (or giving quality teams in our League a close game) because all our players have good technical ability and are good at keeping possession with short passing. When we play 4-4-2 or 4-1-4-1, we invariably let no more than one or two goals in.
You are right that our keeper lacks mobility, but he has actually been playing very well this season...until he had a 'mare' against you just at the wrong time.
It was a devastating defeat for us as nobody turned up to training last Wednesday and then we only had 10 men turn up for our match the following week (Sunday just gone). We had to drag another one out of bed to come along later and make eleven. We only lost 2-1 because we played 4-1-4-1 this time (4-1-3-1 to start).

I did read in one of your match reports that you were 'playing our favoured 4-4-2' though, so we guessed that one right ! I also knew that Mitch Hahn (Enfield Town...Step 3) played for Woodford Wanderers, so that would suggest you were a good side to beat them 7-1, although whether Mitch Hahn actually played in that match I don't know ? I think he is a forward. I also read on your website that you had 'several players who had played Semi-Pro' and 'Northern League' was mentioned, which I am guessing is the Northern Premier League and therefore the equivalent of the Ryman League down here. We thought you might have wheeled Marlon Beresford out for the match as it was a Quarter-Final, but I saw a penalty save your other keeper (Andy Cox ?) made in that You Tube APSCIL Cup Final clip and we could see he was about 7 foot tall and quality anyway...as was the goal you scored in that match. Did that player play against us ?

I do admit that until Scottorae corrected me on here that I thought the APSCIL was not a particularly good standard compared to the League we play in, and overall it probably isn't, but we were fully aware that you would certainly be as good as us and probably better, mainly because of your League position last season and the complete dominance you had in that final League table.



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I can tell you that in the Challenge Cup, teams do scout each other. Not just on YouTube either. Some teams actually travel to go and watch their opponents in advance. In this year's quarter-final, one team turned up en masse one Sunday (they had no game that day) to watch their Challenge Cup quarter-final opponents. Said opponent's manager later took a day off from his team to go and watch the other team. However it had limited value as the team he watched made about 8 changes to the team that played in the quarter-final!

Good point also about playing in the 1990s. Before club websites, Facebook, Twitter, mitoo etc websites, it was impossible to know what to expect from the opposition (and easier to play ringers too I imagine!). Back then, a former manager told me the best approach was to "always assume anyone you play is brilliant" (in LFA cups). He even took time out to go and watch a team we were drawn against in a "domestic" cup game from another division in the same league!

I think this forum has helped with scouting too. I know that several Sunday teams read these threads to find out more about their opponents.

LisbonLegend, Sevenacre & Sidcup have clips up on YouTube! Very impressed by your attention to detail when scouting Edmonton Rovers. The "he always cuts in on his right foot" level of analysis is rare in Sunday football. Good luck to MSS in the semi-final. Sounds like you may have your hands full if Sevenacre turn up with their Saturday players. Who knows, they might even be reading this thread to find out more about MSS! Wink


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Do Sunday League teams really have the commitment to study our highlights for tactical advantages ? Did you do that, Lisbonlegend (just out of interest) ?

As it happens, it is also a lot easier for us (Edmonton Rovers) to find out about our London Cup opponents in advance nowadays than it was 10/15/20 years ago.
Thanks to Scottorae posting a link on here, I was able to see a bit of Middlesbrough Supporters South in action on You Tube, and there is plenty of info on their website which we all had a read of before we played them. Most Sunday clubs that enter the London Sunday Cup competitions will either have a website, some clips on You Tube, a Facebook or a Twitter page somewhere, not to mention their own League websites. Back in the 80's & 90's we had nothing whatsoever to go on apart from the previous week's result in a local paper.



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Players are most comfortable in a 442, so if your team hadn't been together that long it wouldn't make sense to me to start tinkering, particularly in a QF. I've played 352, 442, 451 and 433 this season but we've been together a few years and everyone knows their jobs. I still chat to Marlon regularly but he's so busy with his business and Northern Ireland U21's that there's very little chance of getting him back in goal. The lad who scored in our cup final scored the opening goal for us against you. Woodfords centre forward was their best player, big tall lad but I couldn't tell you his name, they were actually 1-0 up against after 20 minutes.

Nobody at all turned up for training?? That's a bit harsh, I can imagine it was a disappointing defeat but thought your team had a bit about them in terms of spirit. Also, you're well organised so I thought the players would appreciate that. Why the disillusionment, is it something deeper?

Our Division One is small but strong, ourselves and ScottoRaes Aberdeen have a healthy rivalry and one or two others are capable of giving us a tough game. Division Two is pretty crap though but enjoyable for those that play in it, unfortunately, promotion from Division Two is usually a bit of a poisoned chalice.


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I used to go and watch our opposition play until my Son turned up on the scene, as soon as he's old enough though I'll get him ground hopping! The only reason I found this site is because I was scouting Woodford Wanderers and stumbled across it. It's been a great help to be fair, you guys know your stuff

I saw three short clips of Sevenacre & Sidcup but they're only 20 seconds long and didn't tell me anything really. I'm expecting their Saturday team! No doubt they'll be reading this, that's why I made most of the stuff up about MSS just to mislead them.Tongue


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Nobody at all turned up for training?? That's a bit harsh, I can imagine it was a disappointing defeat but thought your team had a bit about them in terms of spirit. Also, you're well organised so I thought the players would appreciate that. Why the disillusionment, is it something deeper?


It's a combination of things, and there will undoubtedly be other Sunday teams in the same boat who will have experienced this as well.

Firstly, it's because a lot of our players don't yet socialise with each other because they have only just joined us...and from completely different sources instead of all from the same team/college/workplace or whatever. They also don't live anywhere near each other, so we don't all go down the same pub like other Sunday clubs do. Like a lot of other Sunday clubs nowadays, cultural differences amongst our players rule us out meeting in pubs anyway.
We don't have a clubhouse at our Home ground, so we don't drink after matches, and it's almost impossible to arrange club social events because a lot of our players can't afford it, they don't drive, and they work all sorts of different hours, including evenings/nights.
It's very much a case of just turning up to training and matches and getting to know each other there.

The team spirit is quite good, certainly compared to other clubs, but where we have a problem is that some of our players have never played in competitive 11-a-side football before, so when somebody has a go at them on the pitch (as happened in our 8-1 defeat), they take it to heart and then 'leave'...and that is what appears to have happened with one or two. We all know that whatever level of competitive 11-a-side football you are playing at, if your team are losing, then there will be arguments going on. It happens, but then it is forgotten about for the next match.

The other thing that has always affected us year after year whenever we suffer a bad defeat that ends our season in terms of winning trophies is that in our League we have to provide a Club Linesman for every game, which of course is always one of the substitutes. If we are still in contention to win something, players will turn up, go sub and run the line. If we have nothing to play for, players will only turn up if they are going to be in the starting line-up. As simple as that, and there is nothing we can do about it. Getting 'somebody's Dad' to run the line for every match is impossible. They don't want the abuse.

We did actually have five players turn up to training last week. We just took a few pot-shots at our keeper so he could actually warm his hands...which he didn't do against you because he didn't save anything...then we just stood around chatting for 90 minutes. That is probably what our training sessions will be like for the rest of the season.

We are actually still in our League Senior Cup where we will be playing Enfield Rangers in the Quarter-Final. Enfield Rangers are one of the three best teams in our League and regular FA National Sunday Cup entrants. They are packed full of Step 3-7 players and we know we have got no chance of winning that match, particularly with our Captain going away for the weekend. The last time he missed a Cup Quarter-Final, we lost 8-1 of course ! Unsure
If we lose by a lesser margin than 8-1 though, maybe MSS can say they are up there with the best ? Wink



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Re: [HughesVideo] London Sunday Junior Cup 2012-2013 or Reply Privately

Really interesting thread here.

Best of luck to Boro anyway in the next round, hopefully it tires you out for the end of season run in....

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Yeah, I can see that would be a problem. We don't have that because despite our lads living all over London, we're united by the fact we're from the same area and support the same crap football team. We go to games together and socialise together, in fact we were all in the pub before and after watching Boro get hammered by Crystal Palace the day before our Quarter final! Man management is massive in Sunday football, I've managed to foster a team where everyone takes on responsibility and has ownership of it's success, I don't have to do any ringing around, players get in touch with me. I'm not sure I'd bother if I had to ring around every weekend to get players.

Good luck against Enfield Rangers, play 451 and hit them on the counter attack!Wink


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Thanks Scott, at this rate, I don't think we'll be able to fit our league fixtures in so you'll probably win the league by default anyway! I asked Rangers to play a double header this weekend and they refused on the grounds that they didn't have enough players. I don't bother scouting you lot cos I know what you're about, I could watch every game but you'd still pull a few top players out the woodwork on the day.Angelic Besides, you can over analyse and shoot yourselves in the foot by trying to be too clever, there comes a time when you have to trust your players to make the opposition work and not spend all your time worrying about the oppositions strengths, it's the balance before knowledge becomes counterproductive. I worked in research and development for 10 years and did a lot of statistical analysis so it's bred in to me to analyse everything and try and improve it unfortunately, it drives the missus nuts!Pirate


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Semi final weekend, any predictions?


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Yes. Waterlogged pitches ! Frown



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Both semis look like cracking ties. Inter Trac must fancy their chances? Traveling to play away makes a big difference in these county cup games. Inter Trac don't have far to travel when they play Guzelyurt (who are also based in north London). Lisbonlegend, how will your squad prepare for/handle the long journey to Kent?


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Hi Steve we're cautiously confident... We've had a report on Guzelyurt from the Burnt Oak Builders manager and they said they had 3 or 4 players who weren't there when they scouted them in a league match, proving they probably bring better players in for their London Cup matches. We're also missing our 2 central midfielders this weekend who are away Skiing, although we do have decent replacements hopefully we can deliver a strong performance.

The journey isn't too far Guzelyurt play at Havkney Marshes which is East London.



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The journey isn't too bad to be fair (other than for myself which will probably be a 3 hour round trip!), unlike most teams in Sunday leagues who play for local teams, our players travel a reasonable distance anyway most matches to play for Middlesbrough. We've just booked a couple of mini buses from London Bridge to get us there in good time. We have however lost one of our centre forwards through injury so looks like I might get my 3rd start in a row. I hope the weather doesn't affect the game, it will ruin our season if it does as we will never fit all our league games in.


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Good luck to The_Player, should be a good semi final by all accounts, be good for us both to have a shot at winning it.Smile


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Our game was postponed, presumably the Inter Trac game was as well?


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It was played Guzelyurt beat Inter Trac 4-1.


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Sounds like a comprehensive result, whoever gets them in the final looks like they'll have their work cut out.


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Any news on the other semi. London FA website is currently down?


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To be played on Sunday April 7th.


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To be played on Sunday April 7th.


Result ?



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Seven Acre & Sidcup 2 Middlesborough Supporters FC 1, Hughesy.


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Sevenacre & Sidcup 2-1 Boro


Fortune conspired against us really. We had a full squad the first 2 times the match was postponed but this weekend we were without our captain, our winger Gutcher who you gave MotM in the QF and our top scorer who fell ill on the morning of the match. The last one was the killer as I ended up having to change formation due to it and we didn't get going, the match was a scrappy affair but it was an awful refereeing decision that cost us as he gave them a penalty when the lad fell in the box. In truth though, we probably deserved to be 1-0 down on the balance of play at half time cos we were shaky at the back and lacked cutting edge up front.

Our centre back then made two mistakes, giving a corner away and then failing to challenge allowing a free header a few minutes in to the second half. They then sat in and tried to counter as we tried to push forward and we grabbed a goal back on 60minutes, a free kick was flicked on and bundled home at the far post. I then had a 20 yarder tipped over, we hit the bar from a free kick, they hit the post from another defensive mistake from us.

If we'd have had our missing players in I've no doubt we'd have won but they deserved iron the day as we gave away poor goals, didn't get to grips with our formation to cause them problems. A disappointing way to go out after such a good run but that's just the way things happen some times, you can't legislate for a sickness and diarrhoea big to your main striker on the morning of the match. Sevenacre & Sidcup were a decent side, they were organised, fit, determined and well drilled. The referee was appalling, which was really disappointing in such an important match, he must have been selected on proximity rather than ability.


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Well it is very disappointing to lose a semi final and I have lost in the semi in this very competition myself and it 'messed' us up for the remainder of that season (not saying that will happen to you!) sounds like a lot of different things went wrong for you on the day and as you know sometimes that happens and you just get the feeling it will not be your day. My side came back again the following year and got to the quarters so ther's always another shout for you. If its any consolation I don't believe that you would have won the final as much as I don't think seven acre will beat Guzelyurt either.


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Well we'll never know whether Guzelyurt would have beaten us which is disappointing. I'd be surprised if they didn't win it, Sevenacre were a decent side but I don't think they're strong enough to win it, though funnier things have happened. Thankfully, we've another semi final on Sunday to try and put things right and put us back on track, hopefully without any of my players falling ill on the day. Not a bad first run in the competition, we can take a lot of confidence from reaching the semis.


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Commiserations, Lisbonlegend. It's certainly unusual for a side who have knocked us out not to go on and reach the Final. We are usually a good omen for other teams !

Are you going in the Sunday Junior Cup next season ?
We certainly will be. We have lost loads of players since you beat us 8-1 and it's interesting to see that Darney knows what that is like.
In Sunday football, it's often difficult to lift players' heads up again after Cup defeats when they are not getting paid to play. Unsure



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London Junior Cup Final Result: Seven acre & Sidcup 1 Guzelyurt 0. So my prediction was wrong! thankfully


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Seems like you were more prophetic than you may have first thought Hughesy as Middlesbrough Supporters team lost their other semi final as well as the London Junior Cup one they lost and have since lost in their league game so goes to prove that a big loss like a London Junior Cup semi one can set you back a bit in remaining games off the season as I have experienced.


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Seems like you were more prophetic than you may have first thought Hughesy as Middlesbrough Supporters team lost their other semi final as well as the London Junior Cup one they lost and have since lost in their league game so goes to prove that a big loss like a London Junior Cup semi one can set you back a bit in remaining games off the season as I have experienced.

It's probably more likely that injuries to key players are causing a problem I suspect ?

I have come across that sort of thing happening loads of times in Sunday football. Invariably Leagues have a registration deadline of sometime in late February/early March each season which means no new players can be signed, then good players who were with the club at the start of the season but left because they were not getting a game don't want to come back and help out because they are now doing 'other things' instead. In some cases they are ineligible to play in Cup Semi-Finals and Finals anyway because they have not played in enough League matches. (The Waltham Sunday League has that rule in place and I suspect other Leagues do, although strangely the London FA do not for their County Cup Finals).

Of course in Semi-Pro football on Saturdays, teams bring in loan players from Pro Club Reserve/Academy teams when they have an injury crisis in the last month or so of the season, but loans are not allowed in Sunday League football, so teams can end up really going to pieces.



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Does anyone know anything about Pantel FC, can't seem to find out anything on them other than they had a reasonable run in last years Junior Cup, they are Cypriot and based in Barnet.


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Has the LFA made the draw for this year's Junior Cup?

Pantel play in the KOPA (Cypriot) League. That league is probably one of the top 3 strongest leagues in London. You can read about the league's quality at the link below. Albeit Pantel were in Div 2 of that league, so are not as good as the KOPA league's giants like Apoel (LFA Challenge Cup winners), New Salamis (3 LFA Challenge Cups won in 4 years), or Tripimeni (beaten LFA Challenge Cup semi-finalists last year).

The fact that every Challenge Cup final in the past 5 years has had a KOPA league team in it tells you a lot about the quality of that league.

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Has the LFA made the draw for this year's Junior Cup?

Yes....and the Sunday Challenge & Intermediate Cups.
I'll start new threads for them as soon as I get time.



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